My son was a catcher thru high school, they work their asses off to master the craft, it is over looked by many but those that know really appreciate them!
@@danman1032 it changes what we value in catchers, which means blocking becomes the highest physical value and then throwing. The average amount of blocks one catcher makes per game is about 6 out of 150 pitches and the amount of times a Baserunner runs is 1.36 attempts per 150 pitches. In the long run catching stays a defensive position with more value going into hitting, but guys like flowers need to re tool their game or they become obsolete.
That will be absolutely hideous lol. We don’t need to turn everything into AI and high tech garbage. The pinnacle of being obsessed with saber and high tech was the Astros scandal, which will undoubtedly taint the game of baseball once again (if it hadn’t enough with people sugarcoating the sports over steroid uses lol).
mark k as a catcher I feel like it boosts my confidence too because I know that I’m getting to where I need to be and pocketing the ball correctly rather than having glove meet ball
Tom Glavine got the 2 balls off the plate strike call pitching to RH batters at a very high percentage rate .... catcher Javy Lopez needs credited as well as Tom's control
and by today's standards, this knowledge is outdated and every catcher does the one-knee. Flowers was beginning the work through the ball approach that all catchers use now.
No disrespect to catchers and coaches, but I don't believe in this framing illusion. Good umpires see everything a catcher does. Good umpires read the pitch through the strike zone, not at the catch. Location of catcher's body, hands, mitt, etc does not matter. Good umpires are not gullible, stupid nor unaware. Framing is a fantasy of catchers, coaches and fans.
I really dislike this aspect of baseball and how an umpire could ruin a game based on the deceitfulness of the catchers framing... a ball is a ball and a strike is a strike based on where the ball crosses the plate not how and where the catcher frames the ball over the plate... imho that would be considered cheating
Potato Unicorn I know it is and I get it but I would like to see more emphasis on pitchers using movement and speed to throw a strike vs a catcher trying to make a ball look like a strike.
Umpires are human and the reason we have umpires in the first place is because it would be crazy to let pitchers decide what a strike is and even crazier to have the batter decide. Maybe we let the batter's mom decide? An easy to see trick is to put a ball on a tee that is just touching the outside corner for a right handed batter and in the middle of the strike zone from knee to midsection. Look at that ball from the batter's perspective and it looks way outside. You see the whole plate and acres of dirt between the ball and the plate. Get behind the plate where the umpire is and it's a strike. That ball has not changed one bit, but the perspective has. Add the change in speed, movement, and the different stance and size of batters and you see why framing pitches is important because lots of games turn on a ball 4 or strike 3 pitch. If a batter gets a called strike on a first pitch he is sure was a ball, that often wrecks the entire at bat. If a pitcher hits a corner and it's called a ball, it can send him into a state of frustration that sinks the game for the team. The main goal of framing is to get every strike that is a strike, and hopefully the borderline pitches. If the ump is calling strikes that are way off the plate or low or high, it is part of baseball to recognize and adjust and yes, take advantage of it. It's not cheating, it's understanding the game. A strike is a strike because the ump calls it a strike and the umpires zone for this game is the zone you better adjust to. Bad umpires are inconsistent and that is maddening. It also can prevent the better team from winning because fate overtakes skill as the determining factor. Umpires who cheat for the home team, or their nephew's team, or because they don't like a coach or whatever... there's a special place in hell with a video camera sending the image of their suffering to heaven making it that much more enjoyable.
Deceitfulness of catchers? Are they evil...? It's called being a professional and doing your job. You take EVERY ADVANTAGE you can. If the umpire does not have the discipline or knowledge to make the proper call, that is NOT on the catcher (having said that, MOST MLB umpires do and are VERY GOOD at their jobs). And, conversely, what the hell does any of this have anything to do with pitchers not moving or locating the ball?
Meh, IMO this the art of being a catcher. IF you think about the 1st pitch on the corner that they talked about... they said that STRIKE pitch is called a strike 85% of the time... what about the missing 15% that is called a ball? Sure, some are an umpire's bad day, but some is on the technique of the catcher. Poor technique that makes a close strike look like a ball gets called a ball.... just as good technique that gets a close ball called a strike.
My son was a catcher thru high school, they work their asses off to master the craft, it is over looked by many but those that know really appreciate them!
I would love, love, LOVE to hear an MLB umpire explain just how much the catcher's antics affect his call of the pitch.
I can tell you all about it
Yo...this video is awesome. From a former catcher, I could watch T Flow do this all day.
Same he's a very good catcher. I'm an umpire now so I'm still behind the plate but I miss wearing that mitt.
if we get rid of human umpires, does that make framing obsolete?
Brirannosaurus Rex yeah, it most likely would
@@danman1032 it changes what we value in catchers, which means blocking becomes the highest physical value and then throwing. The average amount of blocks one catcher makes per game is about 6 out of 150 pitches and the amount of times a Baserunner runs is 1.36 attempts per 150 pitches. In the long run catching stays a defensive position with more value going into hitting, but guys like flowers need to re tool their game or they become obsolete.
That will be absolutely hideous lol. We don’t need to turn everything into AI and high tech garbage. The pinnacle of being obsessed with saber and high tech was the Astros scandal, which will undoubtedly taint the game of baseball once again (if it hadn’t enough with people sugarcoating the sports over steroid uses lol).
You know what screw human empires, screw human players lol! Go play your MLB video game in your basement lol.
Yes because framing is just deceiving the umpire
Thank you gentlemen, great stuff..
All this art of the game will go away with a computer strike zone. Is it better? Who knows but this is a skill and part of baseball.
Never gonna go away
Great tips
when my pitchers threw fastballs I would try to make it pop, I feel like it gave them confidence. Idk... pitchers?... is that a thing?
absolutely, it's a very confidence boosting thing
mark k as a catcher I feel like it boosts my confidence too because I know that I’m getting to where I need to be and pocketing the ball correctly rather than having glove meet ball
I am a big braves fan
Are you from atl?
Sal from Mid Suburban League Hoffman Estates high school
I have Tyler’s autograph
great stuff guys
Tom Glavine got the 2 balls off the plate strike call pitching to RH batters at a very high percentage rate .... catcher Javy Lopez needs credited as well as Tom's control
curl everything inwards into the strike zone. Use you body to move left and right and your wrist to curl everything in.
1:36
I got a note book out lol
who is the interviewer anyways whats his name
Paul Byrd
Can someone teach him how to hit now?
.how to cover 2 on a steal
Great segment, though that is a LONG intro with host talking. Not sure about being better than the Baseball Bunch with that video start!
IDGI
Or, new plan, we could just use the robot strike zone and eliminate the need for pitch framing altogether?
Pueden poner subtítulos en español???
No
and by today's standards, this knowledge is outdated and every catcher does the one-knee. Flowers was beginning the work through the ball approach that all catchers use now.
No disrespect to catchers and coaches, but I don't believe in this framing illusion. Good umpires see everything a catcher does. Good umpires read the pitch through the strike zone, not at the catch. Location of catcher's body, hands, mitt, etc does not matter. Good umpires are not gullible, stupid nor unaware. Framing is a fantasy of catchers, coaches and fans.
Dude watch the games....Flowers NEVER frames pitches. He leads the league in most passed balls and has the poorest fundamentals of anyone. What.Ever.
The title of the video should be "how to cheat"
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Fuck off, Dana.
or how to be a great liar haha
It’s just part of the game Dana
lol. seems like I touched a nerve. cheaters hate being called out.
I really dislike this aspect of baseball and how an umpire could ruin a game based on the deceitfulness of the catchers framing... a ball is a ball and a strike is a strike based on where the ball crosses the plate not how and where the catcher frames the ball over the plate... imho that would be considered cheating
Dude that’s just how the game goes
Potato Unicorn I know it is and I get it but I would like to see more emphasis on pitchers using movement and speed to throw a strike vs a catcher trying to make a ball look like a strike.
Umpires are human and the reason we have umpires in the first place is because it would be crazy to let pitchers decide what a strike is and even crazier to have the batter decide. Maybe we let the batter's mom decide? An easy to see trick is to put a ball on a tee that is just touching the outside corner for a right handed batter and in the middle of the strike zone from knee to midsection. Look at that ball from the batter's perspective and it looks way outside. You see the whole plate and acres of dirt between the ball and the plate. Get behind the plate where the umpire is and it's a strike. That ball has not changed one bit, but the perspective has. Add the change in speed, movement, and the different stance and size of batters and you see why framing pitches is important because lots of games turn on a ball 4 or strike 3 pitch. If a batter gets a called strike on a first pitch he is sure was a ball, that often wrecks the entire at bat. If a pitcher hits a corner and it's called a ball, it can send him into a state of frustration that sinks the game for the team. The main goal of framing is to get every strike that is a strike, and hopefully the borderline pitches. If the ump is calling strikes that are way off the plate or low or high, it is part of baseball to recognize and adjust and yes, take advantage of it. It's not cheating, it's understanding the game. A strike is a strike because the ump calls it a strike and the umpires zone for this game is the zone you better adjust to. Bad umpires are inconsistent and that is maddening. It also can prevent the better team from winning because fate overtakes skill as the determining factor. Umpires who cheat for the home team, or their nephew's team, or because they don't like a coach or whatever... there's a special place in hell with a video camera sending the image of their suffering to heaven making it that much more enjoyable.
Deceitfulness of catchers? Are they evil...? It's called being a professional and doing your job. You take EVERY ADVANTAGE you can. If the umpire does not have the discipline or knowledge to make the proper call, that is NOT on the catcher (having said that, MOST MLB umpires do and are VERY GOOD at their jobs). And, conversely, what the hell does any of this have anything to do with pitchers not moving or locating the ball?
Meh, IMO this the art of being a catcher. IF you think about the 1st pitch on the corner that they talked about... they said that STRIKE pitch is called a strike 85% of the time... what about the missing 15% that is called a ball? Sure, some are an umpire's bad day, but some is on the technique of the catcher. Poor technique that makes a close strike look like a ball gets called a ball.... just as good technique that gets a close ball called a strike.