Breen Detailed Comparison/Breakdown - Star Trek: Discovery S5
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Let’s compare the original Breen from Deep Space Nine to the latest reveal from Star Trek: Discovery. How good did they do?
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Well. This might be too dumb and unimportant for most to notice thehe. But its established now that the Breen... are in fact Green....
Green jelly breens. They didn't think it through.
I was rather distracted by how much they resembled the Alien Nazi's from Star Trek Enterprise.
I loved the explanation from the novels that the Breen are a collection of different species. One had a snout, another was non corporeal, one liked the cold, etc. And the suits are deliberately made to obscure the individual forms as their way to have a sort of forced total equality by removing individual features. You can’t tell which species they are, age, gender, could make everyone the same height if you wanted. The synthetic universal voice means you can’t tell language and accents. You would only reveal your true self to your immediate family and closest friends. So maybe the species with the snout left the Breen Confederacy and this is still just one of many possible Breen appearances.
That would be the most oppressed society I could possibly imagine. You can't go out in public unless you cover yourself completely? That's pure evil.
That's were we are heading to 😭
@@hanshawks5088 We are? 🤔
A bit like the concept of a Burka taken to an extreme. Definitely not a place I’d want to live, but an interesting thought experiment if that’s really the way their society works.
one of the writers was asked about this on a podcast and said that he liked the idea and wouldn't say if this is decanonized, just that this season would only be exploring this type of breen and another writer can say that these breen are only this faction if they want
I really liked getting more Breen explanations, but was really expecting them to have snouts. I guess that's their species' clever misdirection!
Does anyone remember the Taelons from Earth Final Conflict. They had an energy translucent form and a solid form.
You mean Astral Form?
The Taelons were possibly the best aliens ever imagined.
I like the new look of them better than the original look
11:30 I think that it could be useful to think of this in the same way as how we were presented with "proto-Vulcans" in Who Watches the Watchers. Like not really Vulcans but potentially developing down the same road. In that same way maybe we can think of the Breen as "proto-Changelings" developing towards losing their solid forms. This would also explain why the Breen were not only allies of the Dominion during DS9, but some individuals like Thot Pran quickly became the most trusted confidants of the Female Changeling near the end of the Dominion War. Unlike other "solids", they represent a people moving towards the Changeling ideal of "advancement".
Yeah I had a similar thought. Which retroactively makes a lot of stuff make more sense
Jelly Breens!
In 900yrs you'd expect some changes to the suit but to remove the "beak" completely was a mistake imo
And the real face reveal i didn't like it, some things should remain a mystery
I agree, although then they would not be able to have a "hidden in plain sight" Breen. I also don't think they could have just kept L'ak off screen until the reveal.
@@1Chumlee they could have made L'ak a slave labourer and in his escape he killed some high ranking official or stole some classified info hence the bounty on his head and his species could have been any of the thousands to pick from
@@1Chumlee they could have made Mol&L'ak a slave labourers (some thing the Breen are known to use) and in their escape killed an official or stole some sensitive info and that's what results in the bounty on their heads.
they had the chance to make their faces really alien and chickened out like always
I loved the look and the lore behind it. It was a really enjoyable episode overall.
again the stupid modern Marvel/scifi trope of the instantly folding helmet. i mean in the 32. century it's kind of justified but...it's certainly a trend
Yeah, this is the one place I’m totally okay with it considering they have programmable matter at this point. Usually I’m not a fan though.
I dig a battle Mask myself (Like Bumblebee typically has)
Kira stole empty uniform from storage.
star trek discovery keeping up the trek tradition of answering a question in a speedy 30 year wait
The new trek tradition to dig out some obscure reference in the hope to get "fan cred" and then ruining the one chance they have with it. And on top of that everytime they do that the universe gets smaller and smaller because they dont establish something new
Personally, I like the new breen suits and what they look like. I get that Star Trek Discovery is flawed and a lot of people hate it, but I honestly don't mind.
Same here
Kudos to Sam for saying "whelmed" (it is rarely said) and I think the point some have made about the Founders being a bit less dickish to the Breen is a valid one if they are semi-solid they might see them as like a species about to end up like they are.. so "more evolved" than a Cardassian.
First thought when the gelatinous face was revealed was to wonder whether it’s a forcefield containing a non-solid form of some kind. Still not sure… 🤔
No one is mentioning that the Breen look like a cross species between The Sphere Builders and The Changelings.
Max Cervantes made the original Breen mask. He said that he was asked to reference the Ubese Bounty Hunter design from Return of The Jedi. This discussion was a long long time ago now (I see what I did there) but the discussion was very quick "here Y'ah, do that" i think that was from Rick Berman or Herman Zimmerman. I cant remember.
Would have been better if they were wolfpeople that was theorized.
Its good for Discovery. Best comment.
Spoiler Alert: they all look like Neil Breen.
They showed different Breen helmets and DS9 the first picture you showed with way in it had one in the background without a snout… overall I love the new design and I love the reveal..
One thing worth pointing out: In DS9, Bashir said "the Breen have no blood". In DSC, L'ak was clearly bleeding when he got injured in sickbay.
I think that would be ichor perhaps.
I'm on the NX Enterprise now.
I'm moving up.
The only Trek series that I haven't watched yet . . .
I've honestly forgot what had turned me off bout it- maybe how close is was to present-day idk
What does everything think, is it worth a watch?
@@DonDiesel885 it’s a good show. It’s a little slow at the start but by the end of season 2 it really starts to pick up. I even thought seasons 3 and 4 were better than Stargate at the time.
They're back
Good job of the writers throwing in a ST FAN QUOTE into the script. Carrie Stauber's famous words in the internment CAMP.
Huh...We thought they were all furry....It's supposed to be very cold on Breen.
Everything on Discovery should be wildly different, being 900 years in the future. Imagine if humans now wore the same basic stuff we wore 900 years ago. It's crazy.
Somebody ripped off Princess leia's helmet with the original design
Could be that the eyes were always like the others. The green light could be a sensor system and in the future technology shrink (shocking I know). But I love how fans always nit pick at things that change. Oh it's not the same NO SH*T
hey so posting here in hopes you guys see it, random question, do you guys think they are actually going to do ST4??? i only ask because suddenly out of nowhere star trek is partnering with Wargaming and World of Tanks having an event where you can earn crew members or even buy loot boxes and get others, but they are the new 2009 crew, you can even get a 3d style for a tank and it has the 09 Ent nacels on it.
in my headcanon, I always suspected the Breen had a semisolid/viscous natural state requiring extremely low temperatures and pressure outside of their native environment. Thus, their bodies would basically boil over and evaporate when their environmental suits are breached/punctured. That was my internal explanation of why dead Breen didn't leave any remains, just empty suits.
I never expected the explanation from the novels to be used for canon. Still a bit of a shame that it wasn't used though. These new Breen are fine. I'm glad they have a more alien aspect to them with the gelatinous bodies, but it doesn't feel like it's enough? Don't love it, but I definitely do not hate it.
I'm not sure I'm down with the burn victim Orian look. But the gelatinous look is ok.
My thought was that their technology of the Breen had improved to the point where that faceplate no longer needed to be so pronounced, and their uniform vs the armor was because of their current military posture vs previous. just my take. :)
If they have always been like this that would mean that this race has been evolving long before humanity was digging berries out of trees. Or maybe their world is so alien and cold this is how they developed. I feel like it would be like if humans were to evolve on Titan
fights in the penultimate episode really make me wonder if the answer just came down to whatever was easiest for the suit performers, since we know from BTS stuff that the old breen helmets were a nightmare to wear and frequently caused accidents on set.
There was a reason why DS9 kept the Breen a mysterious species. It made them intresting, really alien and not easy to grasp. STD destroyed that within seconds, there are Shreks in Space, i see. Its mentioned many times that the Breen need to wear their suits for environmental reasons, but this is forgotten like the traits of Orion women in STD. So humans can breath normally on their ships, the Breen can breath normally without suits on nitrogen-oxygen atmospheres. They wear the suits to keep them in their gellatine form what should be the other way around when you think about it, cooling should make them solid. I regret that i saw this episode, as many others of STD.
Thanks to your comparison I now like the new uniforms a bit more. I had forgotten that it was 800 urs in the future. Still prefer the original. Hopefully we'll get an answer to the mystery as to why they have that form and what exactly it is.
Was kind of hoping for a weasel like head and face, like a ferret or otter that breathed a different atmosphere mix explaining both the snout and the suit.
Cool design honestly, I especially like the new outfits.
STF ruined them like everything else 🤮🤮🤮😭😭😭
Keira has seen the Breens face.... and apparently forgot to tell anyone XD
So the Breen are Yaphit from The Orville, got it... lol
Green breen jelly bean
New Breen looks like a very basic version of Isaac Clarke's suit from Dead Space
Don't the authors at Discovery know how "photon torpedoes" work?
"If we remove the charge from a photon torpedo and replace it with antimatter...." 🙄
Star Trek has always been all over the place with their tech.
Dilithium was one of the first clues they don't give a shit, the show referred to it like it was fuel.
To be fair, they could have meant “if we remove the matter-antimatter detonator then replace it with just antimatter”
Also we don’t even know if photon torpedos in the 32nd century still use a standard matter antimatter reaction, it could be a whole thing like quantum torpedos where there’s more involved with the tech and calling the explosive part of the torpedo the “charge” just makes it simpler for dialogue.
Remember when Star Trek was good?
Yes it still is. Sorry you don’t like new Trek shows. There’s still the old Trek shows for you to enjoy while the rest of us enjoy the new Trek shows.
@@brandijoy1lol. Enjoy your gruel.
@@brandijoy1well said! 👍🏻🖖🏻
@@FernandoMontelbon HA HA I will. You enjoy the old leftovers.
Still is.😊
Discovery's visual effects and design team really are the absolute worst.
Disagree.
@@EdwardEimiller They destroyed the Klingons in every possible way, visually, their ship design shared practically no lineage with the period they started in, they butchered this Breen… I could go on. Everything they touch, they ruin.
In the words of Jay Sherman "IT STINKS". And it's not canon.
Cool they made it generic looking
Better than ripping off Return of the Jedi.
@@DLZ2000 better than ripping off every modern video game