Tesla Model S Replaced by a Kia Optima PHEV
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Thanks to Boongate Kia for lending me their Optima PHEV
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I love the transparency in you relationship with the detailer and what you get out of it! So many people on RUclips promoting stuff they either make out like they paid for or that they claim they love and you never see them again with it
Good vlog. Enjoyed this one lots.
Being lucky enough to have seen the results today when you collected yours it was interesting to see just how many of the ‘battle scars’ of those near 85,000 miles were still on the car when you dropped it off. Made the results today even more incredible.
So glad I could help you out-funny how all of life’s events connect-I buy a Tesla helped directly by your vlog, we both end up with a collection of skateboards through meeting each other and then I recommend your ceramic coat and assist with the loaner. Yet more
reasons I’m so glad I didn’t just get another Mercedes on lease.
Nice one James.
Oh yes, no question life with a Tesla is more interesting than with a Merc ;-)
Thanks for all your help btw, I'm really grateful.
Ampera owner here, can’t believe there still isn’t anything better than the 6yr old technology gm built. Loads of regen, single pedal driving nearly all the time, I get 40 miles in this winter weather and it goes like stink if you want... oh, did I mention they’re about 12 grand now and still warranted :)
I am in the same boat , so I second that :) Still no better PHEV than Ampera/Volt, but then again they are EREV's. A tiny, but meaningful difference.. So we might say Ampera/Volt is a class of itself.. :)
James, when you floored it and the engine kicked in, I did see a little smile appear on your face haha - think you secretly enjoyed that bit of noise :)
( I won’t tell anyone )
Andy CFR the making Jasper happy smile.
Jasper had a huge smile
I agree that PHEVs have their place for at least a few more years. If money were no object, I would have gotten a Model S and driven 100% on electricity. But, for a fraction of the cost I got a Chevy Volt and drive 95% on electricity. For me, it's a reasonable compromise. Bonus is that it has Android Auto, unlike Model S.
Dan Sanger, I had a Volt before I got a model S. The Volt is a great transitional car. I thought it was well engineered and performed well. It's funny how so many ripped on Chevy's Volt, but so many car companies have copied it...BMW, Kia, Volvo, etc. Enjoy your car and hopefully you can grab an S in the future.
Well, 6 years later PHEVs still make more sense than a full EV. EVs, at least in Canada. The cost of a battery is still way too high and often times costs more than the ev car.
Thank you James, for being the only EV channel reviewer I've heard, extolling the virtues of a PHEV! We only have one car, so it has to do everything, but I can't afford a long range (good quality) BEV. I will drive everywhere in EV mode, except long distances on holiday etc! I don't know enough about the Optima at the moment but it's a healthy battery size and, being a Golf driver at the moment, think the Niro might be too big? Looking like a 225xe (if I want to sell my soul) or the GTE Golf!
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Can't wait too see what you think of the KIA over a period of days and how your S is coming on.
good review so far. id be interested in what Soph thinks of the car and her reaction to driving it
I would have liked to do something like that as well, but she is crazy busy at work atm unfortunately. :-(
You are in good hands with them being Gtechniq accredited.
I have the Optima PHEV, very good car that I charge at home and work so can be doing 60 miles per day pure EV. I did look at BMW and Mercedes PHEV, the Kia though has 7 year car warranty and get this 10 year battery warranty, the other 2 could not touch this. Also the Kia had a 9.7 kw battery and I think the others had 6 06 7 kw, this actuality is a big difference. I do not understand why Kia do not make more of a public shout out regarding the 7 and 10 year warranty.
I think the term you were looking for is Audiophile. When you mentioned the EV only range I rolled my eyes. But then I realised you said 38 miles, not 38km, (I live in a metric country). Useful.
Well technically it is only supposed to be able to do 33 miles or 53km. I'm planning on getting more EV range from it than that though.
I live my volt and it has 40 miles range and the engine only kicks in in hold “sometimes, because it still uses the regen”. It is great. I would get a new one if I wasn’t waiting for my model 3. I can take it anywhere. Only tesla will do that in Arizona.
Hi James, this is a Fair Optima PHEV mini review, it is not a racing car, just a saloon for motorways, but with a bit partially sporty look, because it was designed by Peter Schreyer's Team (a German automobile designer before famous for the Audi TT), it is a cheaper middle class hybrid car only, for those who cannot afford Tesla and dont want to look like a taxi driver, because most of the cheap hybrid cars are still ugly, small or designed and used for uber, etc. (Toyota Prius). This Optima is a bridge between the past and the future, already a big improvement from Kia (I know, the Kia Stinger or the Kia K900 are also exist), but still can recommend this car to anybody who wish to switch to hybrid - it is a comfortable starter with only few minor compromises.
Yeah great vlog and review James, quite like the idea of a Hybrid myself, think I still prefer the ioniq but I love the 7yr warranty on the Kia !!
For many of us, you need a Hybrid. 200 miles gets me basically nowhere..
Unless I could get 500-800 miles and or recharge in 10 min or less, I'll stick with gas or Hybrids.
And this issue is true for at least half the population of the US.
City dwellers.. probably not an issue.
Also have issues with apartments and other places that don't have garages. No place to plug it it.
A regular hybrid can probably go an insane amount of distance because of the mpg.
That being said, superchargers charge your car in an hour or so, so it's not all bad although I agree it will take some time to adjust to
Really good review. PHEVs ideal for, say, a one car family where the limited range of the cheaper EVs (Leaf, EGolf, Zoe etc) can pose problems from time to time especially for people like me who are developing public charge point phobia even though I don't own an EV! (seen too many vids of people mucking about with Apps and cards in the pouring rain or even having to cross the Motorway via the service road).
Been pondering about getting the i3 ceramic coated so I’ll be keen to see how you get on. I know that PHEV’s aren’t massively popular in the EV community, but I think that as you say they are a good transition until batteries are cheaper and bigger. My dealer said that nearly 80% of the i3’s he sells are range extenders as it gives you a great opportunity to be electric most of the time and then use the petrol motor for when you don’t want to stop on a long journey or can’t find somewhere to charge.
Thing with the i3 REX is it isn't really a PHEV, really it is an EV with a range extender. The dividing line for me is, if the petrol tank was bone dry, how much car is left. The Kia Optima PHEV for example would be left with a range that very difficult to live with (without going grey), it likes to pop the engine on for a couple minutes to get things heated up on cold mornings, etc... Your i3 will still be a fully functional car, regardless of what is or isn't in the petrol tank.
The PHEV Niro should be available any day. But the ev version is slated for next year.
Were you not tempted to see if the Tesla HPWC would charge the Optima? I'd be interested to know if they talk to each other or not...
He snapped like a Nintendo switch 😁
How does the Optima compare to the Tesla as far as interior and exterior size?
Thanks
A European Volt! Thanks!!!
@James did you follow up with a full review of the car as I'm interested in the Sportswagon PHEV but there are limited driver reviews so far.... Great introduction to the car though... A lot of equipment as standard too...
Did you buy one?
Enjoyed this review and went looking for the follow-up reviews on this kia optima.... Buticant find them.... Where are they?
ruclips.net/video/n2YmyeSzeZc/видео.html
and
ruclips.net/video/qlASOtFHZDA/видео.html
Hope that helps...
James - how’s the in town acceleration in electric mode - acceptable? Or somewhat lacking? 30 miles in EV mode that you can use at will could produce some significant fuel economy numbers for low speed - stop and go - driving. This would make a great daily driver for lots of people!
I thought the around town EV acceleration was perfectly acceptable, especially as there was no noticeable lag when the pedal was initially pressed, so getting out at a junction was nice and easy.
And of course PHEVs make a lot of sense for company car drivers who can slash their monthly benefit in kind tax bills in half or more compared to the equivalent diesel models that have been on the fleet list for years.
Jon Whitworth not so much these days. It's been halved
m1aws it’s still at 9% vs 24% for my forthcoming vs current cars. Even with rates increasing over the tax years it’s still a lot cheaper than diesel equivalents. No contest there
How many quid will that set you back
Why didn't you coat the car yourself for 1/10th of the price?
It's only a liquid coating....
If only Kia released the PHEV Optima in Australia 😢
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Why can't PHEV's recharge the battery? Is it a deliberate ploy by the oil companies?
I guess it would lead to an overall less efficient journey, though it would solve the "zero emission zone, but no power in the battery" problem.
Very nice but 30 miles on electric is just way to low even for a hybrid, once hybrids have around 70 miles I will purchase but not before. I don't want to charge every night.
Another problem with non-metric units: 99.9 is the max.
Most cars can show bigger numbers in the "instant consumption" part. In the "average consumption" section however... Well, if you do better then 2.8 litres per 100km then it doesn't really matter anymore by how much :)
Anyone notice at 10:10 the hand brake light was on?
Good spot, the MPG shot was taken when I was stopped.
ok that would explain it
I have always liked the versatility of PHEV. However it's a lot of car for limited EV usage. I am not sure about the lifetime impact.
NotHandMade neither fish nor fowl, has to carry a heavy dead battery or heavy ice in EV mode. Not best idea. Outlandish PHIB gets 28mpg real world not NEDC 148mpg excluding electrical energy consumption
If you think your car is dirty, you should see me Leaf gees lol
Honestly my car has been (much) dirtier in the past too.
Hey there :) I considure to buy this car! Can you make a video, how does heating and cooling effect the EV range? thanks :D
Heating and cooling didn't seem to make any difference to the range. When you first start off in the morning though (when it is cold), it does have a tendency to put the petrol engine on for a couple of minutes to get things heated up, even if you are in EV mode. This short term running of the engine didn't use an amount of fuel that you would notice though (didn't even knock 1 mile off the petrol range reported by the car).
Do more car reviews PLEASE...you're really good at it
#Cheers
@ 8:37 you say it is more bouncy than your Tesla, but then add on about the 21” wheels vs. the 19” wheels. This thoroughly confused me.
From most bouncy to least bouncy, are you saying things line up as:
1. The Kia (most bouncy)
2. Tesla Model S on 19” wheels
3. Tesla Model S on 21” wheels (least bouncy)
?
Yes that's what I'm saying, though perhaps my definitely of bouncy needs refinement. The 21" wheels on my Tesla are very harsh, go over bump and the car falls back to the road with a hud, the 19" wheels less so, the Kia even less again. However you also get progressively more bounce back up after the drop as you through this list. The Kia is the most comfortable at smoothing out bumps, but suffers in terms of feel for the road as a result.
what is the build quality vs the Telsa like?
In terms of interior finish, it is much more cluttered, seats much softer, generally seemed very well made though. Can't speak to mechanical reliability as I don't have it for long enough obviously, but with the PHEV drivetrain you have lots more bits to go wrong than with a pure EV. I would say that the car probably had a more solid feel than my Tesla (things like door closing sound, etc...).
It's so weird seeing you driving a petrol car, especially when you floored it and we could hear revs. What's the total range with the battery and petrol tank combined?
Total range of battery and petrol tank is in excess of 600 miles!
Does it have a spare wheel? If you replace spare wheel with RAC or AA membership, then you can use that space for installation of LPG tank, and that's another extra 100 miles :) well, in everyday driving it would be 30 miles of EV and then 100 miles on LPG which is nearly half-price of petrol, while only a little bit higher rate of consumption.
jur4x LPG, the (almost) forgotten fuel. I still run an LPG converted Audi S8 Owned it from new, now done over 200K miles
Still popular in Eastern Europe. Even became more popular during 2010 recession. Especially among people import american petrol guzzlers like Chevy Tahoe :)
I thought it would have a B mode for Regen? Even Toyota Hybrids have a B mode.
If it had one, I couldn't find it.
Perhaps someone here who owns one could comment.
James Cooke Just been online and no B mode.
The Optima doesn't have B, but the all electric Kia Soul does have a B mode. It's selectable so is useful!
Sorry, but the car failed miserably, because Jasper did not go to sleep😆😆. Wow I am already spoiled with Mod3 as there is way too many things on the Kia dash for me. One screen is the way to go, and you really get the whole concept that Tesla is putting forth when you see other EV's
I don't like this "hidden" polish shop commercial..
@8:28 James, did you break your watch?
No, they are just scratches in the screen protector on my FitBit Blaze.
James Cooke Ok! Sometimes I think I'm too observant...
I think the PHEVs should have a bit faster Charging like max 11kW with 3-Phase. With that you could increase the EV usage a lot. :)
That would be nice, but the limit is if the battery is small, then charging quickly becomes difficult (and requires good cooling).
MrTechfreak95 then they'd clog up the public charge points
0:15 - shied away from getting it coated, come on. You're getting it done because you've now found a way of getting it done for free.
Maybe for free, but yes of course you are right. All my motoring budget is sunk into the car for quite some time. That was the deal I made with myself when I bought it. However I've noted that almost everyone who gets a Tesla seems to get the thing ceramic coated and I've always wondered if it really made that much difference. Also over the last year I've started to seriously notice the damage that has accumulated on my paintwork, mainly due to my tendency to use supermarket car washes. I'm hoping that the pain will end up as good as new and hopefully with the coating it will be quick enough to clean that I can do it myself.
Definitely worth doing. It's something you can do yourself inexpensively. But it certainly is nice getting a car back after it's been fully detailed.
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You make that point. You do not like the car because it has a petro engine.
I don't like petrol engines, but as I would probably do at least 50% of my miles in EV only mode, if I needed a long range EV and could get one for whatever reason, this would make a very good substitute. In fact, for a lot of people, they would probably do 70-80% of their driving in EV only mode (provided they remember to plug it in when at home).
Couldn't you just charge it with your wallbox? BTW yes, every car should have apple carplay and android auto. mandatory ;)
I probably could, but I didn't want to chance it with a car that I was being loaned as a favour. Tesla UMCs have occasionally caused issue with other makes of car (basically the Zoe I think).
Total energy consumption please not NEDC nonsense, how much electricity plus how much petrol to do the distance you drove the Kia PHEV - only way is tank to tank plus kWh from socket. If you want real world 100mpg try a 16 year old Audi a2 1.2 that can get even more on renewable (from city waste) #hvo with much lower emissions than fossils. www.autointell.com/News-2001/May-2001/May-2001-4/May-23-01-p8.htm
So for the money its better than a tesla:)
Bloody hell that Kia is 34k! The BMW 330e is only 37k, know which I would get!
Maybe, but the 330e only has 25 miles of EV range, that really is starting to head in the direction of what's the point IMO. Even 33 miles is very definitely on the low side.
James Cooke fair point actually! And it probably realistically only gets 18 ish miles on electric. Point taken!
James Macey
One other factor is the Maintenance cost and repairs on BMW vs a Kia. At least in the US Kia is always near the top in our reliability scores.
Also a bonus for us is the Optima (most models) are built in the USA. So good for local jobs.
kens97sto171 That's true but I'll still be getting the BMW as I don't see the point in paying prestige money for a "normal" car, I buy all my cars 3 to 4 years old with low mileage and my dad does all my servicing so I don't pay BMW prices. I'll get the 330e in a few years and then a model 3 after that probably, when I have a house with a driveway and can charge it
James Macey
Understand... For us in the States.. that BMW is way more expensive almost $44k, and the Kia is about what you mentioned $35k.
For me personally I don't care about the Prestige factor.
I don't see a German built, over expensive unreliable car as being more prestigious...
Same with Mercedes.
I'd take the Kia all day everyday over the BMW.
30 mls is rubbish.
David Macdonald but it has a tow bar.
First
Who's cares?
I do
your title sucks.......stopped watching and gave you a well deserved thumbs down.
Cheers.
Out of interest what title would you use?