There were two things about what he said that were really interesting. The first one, when he said "the body keeps the score but the mind tries to hide it", when talking about how we try to suppress the reactions that we don't like about past trauma because we don't wanna feel crazy and we think we are overreacting (or under-reacting). The second thing, right after that, when he validated also this "suppression" of the importance of past traumas by saying that we are doing that as a coping mechanism because we are trying to do our best, even if that's at the end contradictory. That shows not only high intelligence about what the work he is doing but also high levels of compassion towards the suffering that we create out of things that are beyond our control.
My mind is struggling to go on, and constantly in a rumination circuit of grief, loss, regret, shock, invasive memories, loss of purpose and meaning…deeply traumatic event and outcomes from a workplace bullying situation and subsequent loss of career, home, security, identity
You sound just like me. Same. The workplace can be like a jungle, with predators, and power mongers taking pleasure from the demise of others. It's human nature. Hang in there. I find solace in music and my dog.
What goes for individuals goes for nations too. I think Israel needs to face its own trauma. They so identify with their WWII victimhood that they can't even acknowledge the suffering of others, bestowing terrible new traumas on others, that make sure more generations must suffer the consequences.
Somehow I just cannot picture how a whole nation called Israel could be facing its own trauma whatever that is supposed to mean in general since the year 1948 for everyone living there unless of course you are only referring to only that one son on his way up a mountain for his father to sacrifice him while being told he has to face his trauma when his brother Ishmael was treated in the exact same way too in that generation. Unless of course what you meant by that is everybody living in the past in nations plural because many people in them say well that is the way our world is since the patriarchs like David could according to them deal with it well enough. Dealing with it well enough by doing things like burning bibles or throwing into a river burning wooden works of art titled Pachamama gifted to the pope during a large gathering without his permission to do so only because they looked llike women when children from South America were playing with really doesn't impress me one bit since it only sounds like being supersititious while living in the past. Well good thing leaders like pope Francis doesn't take offense while going crazy because of it too.
@@francesbernard2445 Well two positive examples are, South Africa with the truth commissions after apartheid and Germany that faced the dark within themselves. Sadly those two cases are unique and they were willing. Israel is way to far gone into madness at the moment. Hence they need it more than ever.
Just did the ACE test, it doesn't take war or natural disaster trauma's into account. Given that both my parents lived through war, I couldn't include that in how the test asked its questions.
@@KootFloris I think you should be able to give yourself a point for each of those, if not two per, because, war! I'm not a professional. But that definitely counts as trauma!
I’m a retired therapist and to answer your question, yes, unprocessed war trauma does get transferred to children as does all unfinished business. As it becomes a prison of sorts. This is why multigenerational trauma exists. I used to recommend this book to all of my trauma patients and did specific EMDR therapy with many of them. I wish you the best with your internal work.
@@5thdimension954 Thanks, I think I'm doing quite well, one of my siblings not so much. The comment was also more to make sure such questionaires must include circumstances or generational trauma. I met black and native American people and often the hurt was close to the surface.
I like how Bessel van der Kolk explains what the human condition is all about when it comes to how we remain resilient through the experience of trauma. My guess is that the reason Prozac doesn't help war veterans is because their condition is a physical one in their lungs, liver, endocrine system, spinal column and all of the soft tissues of their body not only just in their nervous system synapses because of the environment they were being traumatized in a slower march to death thanks to sooo many more carnal weaponry they are being coerced into using against other human beings. Prozac rarely helps treat domestic violence trauma and grief too. don't believe that what happened to us couldn't possibly have ever happened to anyone else too and so we should only stop living in the past while not overthinking while continuing to beg for a paid job whenever not doing odd jobs on call full time for sometimes less than minimum wage while being encouraged to become a nun at the same time that is if we still look young. Perhaps if people
8:09 “psychological reaction to a negative event in your childhood “…Why is the reference only to childhood? Many from perfectly normal childhoods suffer severe trauma as adults. Why is she framing trauma as just childhood trauma?
Trauma in childhood is designated as C-PTSD, those who experience adult trauma are usually diagnosed with PTSD. C-PTSD is problematic because these are developmental years, when you learn to trust people or not, feel safe or not, develop an idea or worth or not. C-PTSD usually evolves continuous or repeated traumas, it affects the self view. C stands for complex or childhood trauma, it tends to be harder to regulate.
He is simply brilliant and words matter. He is not going to pretend a question or comment is worded correctly when the wording changes the meaning. He is trying to keep things accurate and on point.
I can understand why his responses might come off as a bit tense or ‘pushy’-when discussing something as complex and personal as CPTSD, it’s frustrating to be met with questions that seem dismissive or superficial. Bessel van der Kolk has spent years researching and helping people with CPTSD, so it makes sense that he might get frustrated with an interviewer who seems to lack an understanding of the emotional depth and reality of this disorder. Instead of guiding a nuanced conversation, it sometimes felt like her questions missed that deeper context, which could be why he responded with a bit of a defensive edge. For those who understand CPTSD, it can feel invalidating to see this sort of approach, even if unintentionally. I think this is why his tone shifted. He’s incredibly knowledgeable, but it’s clear he needs an interviewer who can meet him at that level to really dig into the subject matter. Check out the other parts of this interview and you'll see exactly what I mean.
They spent all this money on this convention? All this money on hiring this hall, getting an audience? a sound "person" and they didn't use clip on microphones? Are we really that stupid as a society? These are the microphones that they chose to use?? Ok....
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There were two things about what he said that were really interesting. The first one, when he said "the body keeps the score but the mind tries to hide it", when talking about how we try to suppress the reactions that we don't like about past trauma because we don't wanna feel crazy and we think we are overreacting (or under-reacting). The second thing, right after that, when he validated also this "suppression" of the importance of past traumas by saying that we are doing that as a coping mechanism because we are trying to do our best, even if that's at the end contradictory. That shows not only high intelligence about what the work he is doing but also high levels of compassion towards the suffering that we create out of things that are beyond our control.
My mind is struggling to go on, and constantly in a rumination circuit of grief, loss, regret, shock, invasive memories, loss of purpose and meaning…deeply traumatic event and outcomes from a workplace bullying situation and subsequent loss of career, home, security, identity
You sound just like me. Same. The workplace can be like a jungle, with predators, and power mongers taking pleasure from the demise of others. It's human nature. Hang in there. I find solace in music and my dog.
Bassel is brilliant and does not mince his words.
What goes for individuals goes for nations too. I think Israel needs to face its own trauma. They so identify with their WWII victimhood that they can't even acknowledge the suffering of others, bestowing terrible new traumas on others, that make sure more generations must suffer the consequences.
Somehow I just cannot picture how a whole nation called Israel could be facing its own trauma whatever that is supposed to mean in general since the year 1948 for everyone living there unless of course you are only referring to only that one son on his way up a mountain for his father to sacrifice him while being told he has to face his trauma when his brother Ishmael was treated in the exact same way too in that generation. Unless of course what you meant by that is everybody living in the past in nations plural because many people in them say well that is the way our world is since the patriarchs like David could according to them deal with it well enough. Dealing with it well enough by doing things like burning bibles or throwing into a river burning wooden works of art titled Pachamama gifted to the pope during a large gathering without his permission to do so only because they looked llike women when children from South America were playing with really doesn't impress me one bit since it only sounds like being supersititious while living in the past. Well good thing leaders like pope Francis doesn't take offense while going crazy because of it too.
@@francesbernard2445 Well two positive examples are, South Africa with the truth commissions after apartheid and Germany that faced the dark within themselves. Sadly those two cases are unique and they were willing. Israel is way to far gone into madness at the moment. Hence they need it more than ever.
Just did the ACE test, it doesn't take war or natural disaster trauma's into account. Given that both my parents lived through war, I couldn't include that in how the test asked its questions.
@@KootFloris I think you should be able to give yourself a point for each of those, if not two per, because, war!
I'm not a professional. But that definitely counts as trauma!
@@therewillbecatswithgwenhwyfar I think so too.
I’m a retired therapist and to answer your question, yes, unprocessed war trauma does get transferred to children as does all unfinished business. As it becomes a prison of sorts. This is why multigenerational trauma exists. I used to recommend this book to all of my trauma patients and did specific EMDR therapy with many of them. I wish you the best with your internal work.
@@5thdimension954 Thanks, I think I'm doing quite well, one of my siblings not so much. The comment was also more to make sure such questionaires must include circumstances or generational trauma. I met black and native American people and often the hurt was close to the surface.
My ACE score is 8. I have RA & fibromyalgia and emotional instability/mental illness.
Mine's 7... same
@@LittleBlueOwl318 I'm sorry for the both of us.
@@therewillbecatswithgwenhwyfar me too ((HUGS))
Then maybe you should memorise this 17 minutes of information...
same... it's many of us, and horrible... (hugs from belgium
I like how Bessel van der Kolk explains what the human condition is all about when it comes to how we remain resilient through the experience of trauma. My guess is that the reason Prozac doesn't help war veterans is because their condition is a physical one in their lungs, liver, endocrine system, spinal column and all of the soft tissues of their body not only just in their nervous system synapses because of the environment they were being traumatized in a slower march to death thanks to sooo many more carnal weaponry they are being coerced into using against other human beings. Prozac rarely helps treat domestic violence trauma and grief too. don't believe that what happened to us couldn't possibly have ever happened to anyone else too and so we should only stop living in the past while not overthinking while continuing to beg for a paid job whenever not doing odd jobs on call full time for sometimes less than minimum wage while being encouraged to become a nun at the same time that is if we still look young. Perhaps if people
8:09 “psychological reaction to a negative event in your childhood “…Why is the reference only to childhood? Many from perfectly normal childhoods suffer severe trauma as adults. Why is she framing trauma as just childhood trauma?
Trauma in childhood is designated as C-PTSD, those who experience adult trauma are usually diagnosed with PTSD. C-PTSD is problematic because these are developmental years, when you learn to trust people or not, feel safe or not, develop an idea or worth or not. C-PTSD usually evolves continuous or repeated traumas, it affects the self view. C stands for complex or childhood trauma, it tends to be harder to regulate.
Questions far too long and self-indulgent.
Yes the interviewer is there for the wrong reasons
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What in Bessel's past made him so passive aggressive in this interview?!
Passive aggressive where?
He is simply brilliant and words matter. He is not going to pretend a question or comment is worded correctly when the wording changes the meaning. He is trying to keep things accurate and on point.
People often think using the correct word is offensive bc they can't understand it
I can understand why his responses might come off as a bit tense or ‘pushy’-when discussing something as complex and personal as CPTSD, it’s frustrating to be met with questions that seem dismissive or superficial. Bessel van der Kolk has spent years researching and helping people with CPTSD, so it makes sense that he might get frustrated with an interviewer who seems to lack an understanding of the emotional depth and reality of this disorder.
Instead of guiding a nuanced conversation, it sometimes felt like her questions missed that deeper context, which could be why he responded with a bit of a defensive edge. For those who understand CPTSD, it can feel invalidating to see this sort of approach, even if unintentionally. I think this is why his tone shifted. He’s incredibly knowledgeable, but it’s clear he needs an interviewer who can meet him at that level to really dig into the subject matter.
Check out the other parts of this interview and you'll see exactly what I mean.
They spent all this money on this convention?
All this money on hiring this hall, getting an audience? a sound "person" and they didn't use clip on microphones? Are we really that stupid as a society? These are the microphones that they chose to use?? Ok....
Ive been fisically and emotiknaly abuse from mother since was 1 old..i suffer from deprassion and BPD..doctirs really werre usless to me..i found dome little help is IDIAN MUDRAS...