@@House.... Stellantis was formed by a merger, and some mergers are more equal than others. I think you'll find PSA wear the trousers in this multinational 'partnership'.
I clicked on this because I wanted to know about Vauxhall at Luton. What I got, was a fine example of why I stopped watching the MSM years ago and it hasn't changed. Misinformation or just plain ignorance of the topic in hand, or could it be what the government want you to believe. Whatever the agenda is, something isn't right on so many levels and all delivered with pomposity and smugness.
been in the motor trade 30yrs people are trying to get out of there electric vehicles but the secondhand values are so bad and the purchase price on new are far to high, we are giving our manufacturing to China with cheap imports
EVs *are* better than ICE cars, and even cheaper than ICE cars on the long run. But you have to pay more when you buy the car and less after, so it can be challenging since cars are more and more expansive and with inflation.
@@leet3207 Why would you need to replace the battery ? A NMC battery can achieve 1000 to 2000 charge-discharge cycles, with a 500 km WLTP range it makes 500 000 km to one million km. Being conservative and taking into battery degradation let's say 500 000 km. How many cars have you own with more with more than 500 000 km done ? And the new batteries found in more and more recent cars (LFP) double the cycles, so many cars will probably reach one million km. Cars are not phones, the battery is protected by a BMS. But sure, all cars are not equals, better buy a brand that have experience with EVs.
with all the tax rises and people being battered left right and centre with the cost of living crisis ,Government need to realise that people don't have the money these days to buy new cars
I'll keep my diesel car running until something absolutely catastrophic goes before i buy an eletric car, Only people buying electric are company car owners.
Unemployment in the uk will increase sharply soon due to the rise in employer national insurance, employers will either cut hours , cut jobs but definitely cut employing new staff
Susannah going on about ‘range anxiety’ would have been going on about fuel anxiety in 1920s when the Ford Model T was mass produced and would have said ‘as a woman I want to stick with the horse’ 😂 Unfortunately humans don’t live for 1,000 years to see how silly their views were 50-100 years ago. There will be someone that solves this problem and they will become very wealthy from it
@@SkullBanker-68 EV have extensive battery management systems unlike phones....thats why mobile batteries dont last 8 years. 70% charge means EV will still have at least 70% range. did an AI search which said: In 2015, the average price for a lithium-ion EV battery pack was around $280 per kilowatt-hour (kWh). By 2023, this cost dropped to about $139/kWh, marking a reduction of nearly 50% during this period. Who knows what the cost will be in another 8 years other it will be lower than today.
The thing is it not. There has been loads of lay offs in the car market in Europe. Plus production moving to China they can make it far cheaper due to cheaper energy and access to raw materials and investment in manufacturing. Mark my words we will pay with our jobs for this inorganic push of electric cars
Labour cannot admit they are making a grave error of judgement by keeping little Ed Millipeed happy. Starmer would rather throw Brits and the British economy under the bus.
Why people who have never try an electric car imagine they can talk about them with any pertinence ? Driving an EV is quite easy in the UK and Europe in 2024.
@@robertanton1862 Sure, but air pollution kills 400 000 people in Europe *every year* (with millions of people suffering) and CO2 emissions are destroying the future of our children. And if you think your ICE car is cheap to use, you just don't see anymore how much it is not. BTW, less and less diesel cars are allowed in more and more cities in Europe, so be prepare to park far away and to take the bus or walk.
I, like millions of people I've in houses with no drive, it's on street parking. Often you don't get to park outside your own property. Like to suggest how my car gets charged. Oh and how people on £25K a year will pay for a 40K car (with no resale value). You think it's easy as your most likely in the minority of people who EV's do work for, but please don't be naive enough to think that applies to the majority of the population
@@andrewwilson5154 "Most people" do not buy brand new cars, you can have a Renault Zoé for 3000 € battery included. And please stop with your "resale value" propaganda, most people do not resale their car every 3 or even 5 years to get the last new one, cars are not fashion items 🙄. I keep mines till they die. And I don't know where you live but around me there are plenty of charge points, in my road, close to my work, at the supermarket, etc. And the average distance in Europe if 30 km/day so even if you cannot charge at home or work you just need to go to a public station twice a month. Not to mention less and less people own a car in cities, so many private spots are on sale, and then you can install a charge point. And of course, the elephant in the room : we have no choice since it is not possible to meet net zero in 2050 if people are still buying petrol cars in 2030 or worse 2035. So it will be EVs or no car at all.
@didierpuzenat7280 so if someone has a different opinion its propaganda? Firstly go away, come back and tell me the resale values. I've just looked and they are just over half price. Secondly would you like to point out to people, having bought your 4 year old used EV how much it costs to replace the batteries when you find out they are operating at 40%. Could also tell us what colour the sky is on your planet!!!!
What compensation will Vauxhall be prepared to give their Vauxhall van makers who are not able to transfer to Ellesmere Port? This is not discussed by any online discussions.
Watch the McMaster videos about living with an electric car - not as good as governments are telling us - the range they describe in their adverts is a distance from the truth and the adverts always omit the cost of replacement batteries
i got given a new renault electric van for work to get to different sites. The van did 130 miles on a full charge and thats without the use of heating etc etc. Safe to say after 2 weeks of not being able to get to work and back everyday on a charge it went straight back!
My EV has a 280 miles range, only cost £19,000 pre reg, and has saved me a fortune in the last 6 months on diesel, if it only lasts 5 years, I will save the value of the car in fuel savings anyhow. It depends on your circumstances, I do about 25k a year and regularly complete long drives with no issues. Having said that, it should be personal choice and not government mandated as it won't work for some.
My home is a middle terrace 1910 house. When my boiler dies I cannot afford to replace it let alone a heat pump. The majority of ordinary people will be without heat. However, I cannot afford to put the heating on anyway.
car companies need to go back to the desk, look at combustion engines, and work on getting those as close to net zero as poss, and look at developing engines with higher tollerance for ethanol without loosing power and torque, go back to creating stunning looking cars and more practical utility cars.. like the stunning old jags, mgbgts triumphs for the classic sporty looks, beach buggies for the fun cars and mini jeeps like suzukis... and utility vehicles that are usefull and use technology to make them shift between people carrier, jeep, camper, work van .. but with engines.
Kevin states once people buy electric they won't go back .Utter nonsense all the people i know who have bought electric cars regret it .When i purchased my new BMW i asked the BMW dealer ship about electric and he said honestly no one wants them can't sell them if you want one i can give huge discount no thank you ..
BMW (and most German EVs) stink, hence why German car industry is going down the tubes. And... The majority of UK EV drivers are satisfied with their vehicles and are likely to stay with electric options for their next car purchase. Surveys indicate that 88-91% of current EV owners plan to stick with electric vehicles, showing high satisfaction and loyalty to the technology. This means only about 9-12% of UK EV drivers might not replace their current EV with another one
@@jujutrini8412 I don't think so, I just bought a second-hand diesel, but looked before at getting a second-hand plug-in hybrid. Same manufacturer, same size model, similar mileage and age. The hybrid was £12,000 more expensive the real mpg for hybrid was just 7mpg better in town, but the same on motorway. I put everything on a spreadsheet, adding the £1,500 home charger For £13,500 I needed to drive 8,000 miles per year for about 25 years to break even with the hybrid, assuming NOTHING ELECTRONICS will break in the hybrid or the charger. Obviously I added the electricity I'd use to charge the batteries over that time (many EV owners are just skipping this step, maybe they are getting their electricity free in one way or another?). And I assumed the electricity prices will NOT get higher at all!!! so I said to myself => hybrid = NEVER, And a full EV: after the hybrid. You know, I did this just because I LOVE my kids, and I want THEM to have my money, not THEIR kids (whoever is trying to sell me an EV or Hybrid).
What do you expect after 14 years of a Tory Government who (A) denied Climate change and (B) wouldn't invest in the infrastructure programme so we get potholed roads and new railways that run from nowhere to nowhere
why would you want to sit around for an hour late at night to wait for enough charge to get home when you can fill up with petrol in less than 5 minutes and on your way ? However for me i would suit an electric car because i never go far
A roadside break-down assistence outfit will eventually come and spend an hour or so re-charging your battery, with a wonderfully 'green' diesel generator.
you don't buy a competitor's business to manufacture more goods. you buy it to destroy your competition, thus making sure you will survive for- (longer) or (ever).
1) Don't purchase SUV electric cars in the UK 2) Only purchase smaller electric cars 3) Only drive these cars practically within the city 4) Or only consider electric cars if you drive 200 miles or less a week
@Andy-zi1wj I suspect recent technology from leading electric vehicle manufacturers will improve practicality. It's probably also very expensive. I don't mind the Tesla 3. So long as It's not a bloated behemoth trying to squeeze through British traffic.
I have a Tesla Model Y - I have travelled from South Wales to Gatwick easy on a single charge with many miles left, and South Wales to Chester with many miles left. There are chargers everywhere. I have been driving the car 6 months and I cant agree with what they are discussing. it is also siginificatly cheaper to run an electric car, you can charge the car in 25 mins on a tesla supercharger.
Still not heard a single person mention the fire hazards EVs cause. Nor the fact we had a multistorey car park fire in Liverpool in 2017, that car park had few if any EVs on it, structurally it was fine after the fire. Fast forward to a couple of years ago, Luton airport multistorey car park had a fire, far more EVs are on the road now so it stands to reason, there was more on the Luton car park. That carpark collapsed. Now. Is that due to more EVs being present and the fact lithium burns at a higher temperature than fossil fuel? Could it be that EVs present a unique structural risk to buildings with under ground car parks and multistorey carparks? Along with the toxicity risk to humans, wildlife, pets, and agricultural land, because lithium turns into hydrofluoric acid when burning. I'm getting really tired of the above never being mentioned. IF the Luton carpark structurally failed, due to EVs, we need to know. Liverpool one shopping centre has a giant carpark underneath it, what happens if lithium fires do cause structural failure, to somewhere like Liverpool one?
Kevin is talking a load of b*****ks about people not going back to any ICE cars ! Workers are getting rid of their electric vans in droves & going back to diesels & probably the ones that aren't going to give them up are the ones that don't go anywhere ! Another downside of EV in the winter apart from the depleted range is the heaters are nothing like as good as an ICE car by quite a considerable way !
The majority of UK EV drivers are satisfied with their vehicles and are likely to stay with electric options for their next car purchase. Surveys indicate that 88-91% of current EV owners plan to stick with electric vehicles, showing high satisfaction and loyalty to the technology. This means only about 9-12% of UK EV drivers might not replace their current EV with another one .Automotive world
@@duuglous1 No because they can't afford to change them & trade-in values are pathetic ! That is the real reason ! I don't know anyone who has bought a secondhand EV anywhere .
@@AGTC009 did an AI search which showed for the 1st qtr 2024 alone: The sale of second-hand electric vehicles (EVs) in the UK has been growing rapidly, reflecting increased consumer interest in zero-emission vehicles. In the first quarter of 2024 alone, nearly 42,000 used battery electric vehicles (BEVs) were sold, representing a significant 71% year-on-year increase. Over the entire second quarter, approximately 46,800 used BEVs were sold, marking a record market share of 2.4% in the used car market. These numbers highlight a trend of accelerated adoption in the used EV segment. Trade in prices will continue to be 'pathetic' as EV prices are getting cheaper and cheaper. Tough if you own an EV but good if you wish to buy.
Wait until all vehicles are electric, and see how much our electricity costs then, when there is no Diesel or Petrol or Gas.The electric companies will charge what they like.
The ev is scrap when the battery goes after about 8 to 10 yrs how is this saving the planet I have a petrol 21yr old car still going with 140000 miles on it
We bought electric and we went back to petrol when the cost of energy rocketed. We had problems with the car too. But I am not convinced manufacturing the actual electric car is less polluting than the regular cars. And then what happened to the batteries once they no longer work?
Jeez I don't get how these people can be pid to comment when they clearly do not know whar they are talking about. 'EV are more expensive because they are cheaper to run " I don't think so if you use public chargers or factor in depreciation !
I have electric, for city and living near city for commute is fantastic….traffic jams I can create electricity. Acceleration at traffic lights is smashing…..you need a charger at home tho
I don't thinks so, but anyways, the low is not about enforcing battery electric vehicles but about banning pollution ICE vehicles. You can drive an hydrogen car if you dare. Good luck.
@@didierpuzenat7280 lithium is a limited item and costs the planet when mined look it also it disposal is not good as well so good luck there were as hydrogen is abundant and JCB have got an engine that works also need less infrastructure in place think people need to do research
@@skaro4ever Lithium is abundant, and as a metal it can be recycled. Hydrogen is almost non existent as a resource, you must produce it and this process requires *a lot* of energy. And of course hydrogen cars need *far more* infrastructures since you cannot fill your tank at home or work while it is easy with a battery electric car. But yes you are right : "people need to do research" before posting.
At the end of the day they are making EV's that nobody wants to buy. We are years behind on EV charge points, Local Councils can't afford to put them in, the Government won't pay, and that's without mentioning the shocking range, battery issues, no resale value, they cost 50% more than their petrol counterparts. I will buy a brand new petrol in their final year and drive it as long as I can
Here is a chance to take advantage of Brexit, inviting BYD to build factories here for batteries and electric cars. The UK can be a backdoor for them into the EU. The cars are also much cheaper which is why they've put tariffs on them in Europe but that would help consumers, we get jobs and the government gets taxes.
Didn't take long for a whining remoaner rejoiner bringing up brexit, so if you sados had won in 2016 , the Luton plant would have remained open then ?😂
You’re just living in denial of your actions. Even a half wit could figure out the negative effects of leaving the EU ,particularly on industries that rely on exports. Those that are European owned, like Vauxhall, are at particular risk of disinvestment. Wake up, smell the coffee and face up to what you contributed to.
NIO swap battery in 3 minutes with new Gen4 swap station. Maintenance of the battery is NIO'S responsibility, each time one swaps the battery the onus is on NIO the battery is Fit For Purpose
A guy up the road bought some electric barge. Two years in there was a problem with the battery and he took it for repair. He was told it was a write off. It cost £80k.
Also... think about this. 1. your 40k car, would completely change my life if i had 40k!!! what kind of muppet buys a remote control toy car for 40k lol 2. based on this i wouldnt spend 40k on a car, if i had 40k id change my life, not my car. if she gave me 40k id show her how 40k can change one persons life and why thats a total wast of money. 3. if a student gets a degree and masters to get a job.. 40k, then a house 350k would they then want 40k to pay on top of that? then 10k a year for basic bills, 5k basic food a year, prob 15k for a family of 4 basic, its a debt for life plan..
@philipcounsell4709 yes I know... so you don't pay 40k for a car you buy over time then? This is one issue people in the west or UK have is we have no a qualified schooling on economics. ... 40k is 40k or more with interest wether you buy it cash or over time. Unless u get multiple meaningful payrises or a financial windfall ... then your lifetime income is a fixed amount.. thus ... calculate ... life finance minus purchase = lifefinance left .
Electric car benefits and cons are all subject to some context of where you live. If you have one with 300 miles of range, I'm sorry but if you're running out of charge, that's on the driver! The only time I ever charge it 'on the road' is journeys between MCR and LDN (I only need to charge it going there or back, not both). For actual data, this year I have spent exactly £520 on charging, for petrol it would be £1,379. And yes, of course if you dont have a charger at home, its not worth the benefits probably for lack of convenience using public chargers. If you do have a charger at home, its very convenient actually.
Im strongly against net zero targets but im a strong advocate for evs, if it suits your daily driving needs. Same for solar if you do your maths and dont plan to move, its a no brainer
@chrisnortheast888 why isn't it. Is it green energy, nope...the absolute disaster of digging up all these materials for batteries has damaged the planet even more and at a alarming rate. Do they work in the real world. No again because charging infrastructure isn't in place, batteries don't last when cold. Batteries are highly expensive to replace. The cost of the car in the first place is ridiculous. Then the cycle starts again. Digging, shipping, manufacturing and to say oh we are green. No we just didn't make the mess here and we paid for it somewhere else. Made another country look bad so we can look good. Ridiculous along with net zero
@@jasoncollier5561 So you're against taking stuff out of the ground and using it to make stuff, but you're fine with taking stuff out of the ground and burning it? We're being lied to by the fossil fuel sponsored mass media and you sound like you've fallen for it. Start doing some independent thinking and not just trot out the same old tired nonsense that all of the EV haters repeat without knowing what they're on about.
Whenever PSA buys a british car company, you can be sure that factory is shut before one of their french ones...
Welcome to the POST-Brixit reality!
The UK’s voters were warned that this would happen.
Now, it’s happening.
Psa is owned by stellantis now. American
@@House.... Whoosh
@@House.... Stellantis was formed by a merger, and some mergers are more equal than others. I think you'll find PSA wear the trousers in this multinational 'partnership'.
Of course.
FAFO.
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We keep selling our manufacturing to foreign concerns. What do we expect?
I clicked on this because I wanted to know about Vauxhall at Luton.
What I got, was a fine example of why I stopped watching the MSM years ago and it hasn't changed.
Misinformation or just plain ignorance of the topic in hand, or could it be what the government want
you to believe. Whatever the agenda is, something isn't right on so many levels and all delivered with
pomposity and smugness.
'Who cares if it's quiet'... Drive him a hundred miles in a 1960s Landrover & ask him again 🙄
been in the motor trade 30yrs people are trying to get out of there electric vehicles but the secondhand values are so bad and the purchase price on new are far to high, we are giving our manufacturing to China with cheap imports
Ed. People abandoned Horses for cars because cars are better. No incentives or subsidies were required.
all the horse muck in the streets disappeared, just as health damaging pollution will go
EVs *are* better than ICE cars, and even cheaper than ICE cars on the long run. But you have to pay more when you buy the car and less after, so it can be challenging since cars are more and more expansive and with inflation.
@@didierpuzenat7280 until you need to replace the batteries
@@leet3207 Why would you need to replace the battery ? A NMC battery can achieve 1000 to 2000 charge-discharge cycles, with a 500 km WLTP range it makes 500 000 km to one million km. Being conservative and taking into battery degradation let's say 500 000 km. How many cars have you own with more with more than 500 000 km done ? And the new batteries found in more and more recent cars (LFP) double the cycles, so many cars will probably reach one million km. Cars are not phones, the battery is protected by a BMS. But sure, all cars are not equals, better buy a brand that have experience with EVs.
@@didierpuzenat7280 Batteries capacity decreases over time. Its unavoidable no matter what the manufacturers say
with all the tax rises and people being battered left right and centre with the cost of living crisis ,Government need to realise that people don't have the money these days to buy new cars
The government is not making anybody buy new cars. Where does it say they are?
The gov and WEF doesnt want anyone driving or flying except the elite few.
Andrew is so rude.
all it will do is encourage people to stick with the Petrol/Diesel cars they already have for longer.
I'll keep my diesel car running until something absolutely catastrophic goes before i buy an eletric car, Only people buying electric are company car owners.
I would not buy an electric after experiencing driving one.
I totally agree with you.
I don't understand "at risk" they're gone.
A legal term , known by us that have lost jobs in past , as Bull sh=t
Unemployment in the uk will increase sharply soon due to the rise in employer national insurance, employers will either cut hours , cut jobs but definitely cut employing new staff
Susannah going on about ‘range anxiety’ would have been going on about fuel anxiety in 1920s when the Ford Model T was mass produced and would have said ‘as a woman I want to stick with the horse’ 😂
Unfortunately humans don’t live for 1,000 years to see how silly their views were 50-100 years ago. There will be someone that solves this problem and they will become very wealthy from it
It's not silly feeling vulnerable as a woman just sad that women have to think of that.
How long does a battery last in an electric car and how expensive is it to replace?
battery normally minimum 8 years at least for minimum 70% retained charge.
Like your phone ,the more you use it and charge it the quicker it degrades, replacement batteries will cost more than what the car is worth .
@@SkullBanker-68 EV have extensive battery management systems unlike phones....thats why mobile batteries dont last 8 years. 70% charge means EV will still have at least 70% range. did an AI search which said: In 2015, the average price for a lithium-ion EV battery pack was around $280 per kilowatt-hour (kWh). By 2023, this cost dropped to about $139/kWh, marking a reduction of nearly 50% during this period. Who knows what the cost will be in another 8 years other it will be lower than today.
I used to drive to the North East from the South, I always used to stop twice, anyway. If you drive more that three hours straight it's dangerous.
I used to have to stop every few miles just to gather myself when visiting the north.
We carnt use horse and cart as the horse farts
That's why big decisions like that should be thought out, not just to fill up pockets.
The thing is it not. There has been loads of lay offs in the car market in Europe. Plus production moving to China they can make it far cheaper due to cheaper energy and access to raw materials and investment in manufacturing. Mark my words we will pay with our jobs for this inorganic push of electric cars
Labour cannot admit they are making a grave error of judgement by keeping little Ed Millipeed happy. Starmer would rather throw Brits and the British economy under the bus.
If they even start making carry on films he would make a great kenneth Williams
Why people who have never try an electric car imagine they can talk about them with any pertinence ? Driving an EV is quite easy in the UK and Europe in 2024.
"Driving an EV is quite easy in the UK and Europe in 2024."
maybe, but so is driving a petrol or diesel, you know . . . . very easy, and very cheap
@@robertanton1862 Sure, but air pollution kills 400 000 people in Europe *every year* (with millions of people suffering) and CO2 emissions are destroying the future of our children. And if you think your ICE car is cheap to use, you just don't see anymore how much it is not. BTW, less and less diesel cars are allowed in more and more cities in Europe, so be prepare to park far away and to take the bus or walk.
I, like millions of people I've in houses with no drive, it's on street parking. Often you don't get to park outside your own property. Like to suggest how my car gets charged. Oh and how people on £25K a year will pay for a 40K car (with no resale value). You think it's easy as your most likely in the minority of people who EV's do work for, but please don't be naive enough to think that applies to the majority of the population
@@andrewwilson5154 "Most people" do not buy brand new cars, you can have a Renault Zoé for 3000 € battery included. And please stop with your "resale value" propaganda, most people do not resale their car every 3 or even 5 years to get the last new one, cars are not fashion items 🙄. I keep mines till they die. And I don't know where you live but around me there are plenty of charge points, in my road, close to my work, at the supermarket, etc. And the average distance in Europe if 30 km/day so even if you cannot charge at home or work you just need to go to a public station twice a month. Not to mention less and less people own a car in cities, so many private spots are on sale, and then you can install a charge point. And of course, the elephant in the room : we have no choice since it is not possible to meet net zero in 2050 if people are still buying petrol cars in 2030 or worse 2035. So it will be EVs or no car at all.
@didierpuzenat7280 so if someone has a different opinion its propaganda? Firstly go away, come back and tell me the resale values. I've just looked and they are just over half price. Secondly would you like to point out to people, having bought your 4 year old used EV how much it costs to replace the batteries when you find out they are operating at 40%. Could also tell us what colour the sky is on your planet!!!!
Seriously uninformed with regard to electric cars.
It feels like an institutional loss. A chipping away.
3:40 a long journey in minus degree weather?
What compensation will Vauxhall be prepared to give their Vauxhall van makers who are not able to transfer to Ellesmere Port? This is not discussed by any online discussions.
I’m keeping my hybrid. It’s done 17k miles and will easily do 300,000 because it’s a Toyota. That will last me the rest of my life.
Watch the McMaster videos about living with an electric car - not as good as governments are telling us - the range they describe in their adverts is a distance from the truth and the adverts always omit the cost of replacement batteries
The batteries don't need replacing.
i got given a new renault electric van for work to get to different sites. The van did 130 miles on a full charge and thats without the use of heating etc etc. Safe to say after 2 weeks of not being able to get to work and back everyday on a charge it went straight back!
My EV has a 280 miles range, only cost £19,000 pre reg, and has saved me a fortune in the last 6 months on diesel, if it only lasts 5 years, I will save the value of the car in fuel savings anyhow. It depends on your circumstances, I do about 25k a year and regularly complete long drives with no issues.
Having said that, it should be personal choice and not government mandated as it won't work for some.
heat pumps will not work in most uk properties
My home is a middle terrace 1910 house. When my boiler dies I cannot afford to replace it let alone a heat pump. The majority of ordinary people will be without heat. However, I cannot afford to put the heating on anyway.
I can get from Swindon to Newcastle using less than a tank of petrol & my car is a 24 year old sub 100k 2.5 V6 petrol.
Wait til we all move to electric (I have) and they whack up the tax on the cars
Tesla model 3 long-range will do London to north east on 1 stop in winter. Again a panel of millionaires don't know what there talking about
20 years ago electric milk floats
car companies need to go back to the desk, look at combustion engines, and work on getting those as close to net zero as poss, and look at developing engines with higher tollerance for ethanol without loosing power and torque, go back to creating stunning looking cars and more practical utility cars.. like the stunning old jags, mgbgts triumphs for the classic sporty looks, beach buggies for the fun cars and mini jeeps like suzukis... and utility vehicles that are usefull and use technology to make them shift between people carrier, jeep, camper, work van .. but with engines.
Electric cars are not green! KTM and Vauxhall now, how many more next week.
and petrol and diesel are clean
Kevin states once people buy electric they won't go back .Utter nonsense all the people i know who have bought electric cars regret it .When i purchased my new BMW i asked the BMW dealer ship about electric and he said honestly no one wants them can't sell them if you want one i can give huge discount no thank you ..
I think the way to go is hybrid. It really saves you money.
Maguire talks nothing but nonsense (a typical labour socialist)
BMW (and most German EVs) stink, hence why German car industry is going down the tubes. And... The majority of UK EV drivers are satisfied with their vehicles and are likely to stay with electric options for their next car purchase. Surveys indicate that 88-91% of current EV owners plan to stick with electric vehicles, showing high satisfaction and loyalty to the technology. This means only about 9-12% of UK EV drivers might not replace their current EV with another one
@@jujutrini8412 I don't think so,
I just bought a second-hand diesel,
but looked before at getting a second-hand plug-in hybrid.
Same manufacturer, same size model, similar mileage and age.
The hybrid was £12,000 more expensive
the real mpg for hybrid was just 7mpg better in town, but the same on motorway.
I put everything on a spreadsheet, adding the £1,500 home charger
For £13,500 I needed to drive 8,000 miles per year for about 25 years to break even with the hybrid, assuming NOTHING ELECTRONICS will break in the hybrid or the charger.
Obviously I added the electricity I'd use to charge the batteries over that time (many EV owners are just skipping this step, maybe they are getting their electricity free in one way or another?).
And I assumed the electricity prices will NOT get higher at all!!!
so I said to myself => hybrid = NEVER,
And a full EV: after the hybrid.
You know, I did this just because I LOVE my kids, and I want THEM to have my money, not THEIR kids (whoever is trying to sell me an EV or Hybrid).
@@nowgrownup strange then that BMW are 1 of 3 manufacturers that have met there zev target of selling 22% of all new cars that are EV?
What do you expect after 14 years of a Tory Government who (A) denied Climate change and (B) wouldn't invest in the infrastructure programme so we get potholed roads and new railways that run from nowhere to nowhere
why would you want to sit around for an hour late at night to wait for enough charge to get home when you can fill up with petrol in less than 5 minutes and on your way ? However for me i would suit an electric car because i never go far
What happens if you go on a drive through the country & the battery goes flat in the middle of nowhere?
Recovery is a total lift . You can't drag these cars
The elephant in the room when manufacturer's market electric 4WDs to take you into the "wilderness"
Call the RAC or AA. 😂
What happens if you go on a drive and you run out of fuel in the middle of nowhere?
A roadside break-down assistence outfit will eventually come and spend an hour or so re-charging your battery, with a wonderfully 'green' diesel generator.
Once the French got their hands on Vauxhall, this factory closure was inevitable. They have form.
Sure, they bought it just to close it 🙄.
Yes this is all the French's fault....
you don't buy a competitor's business to manufacture more goods.
you buy it to destroy your competition, thus making sure you will survive for- (longer) or (ever).
GM IS AMERICAN, VAUXAHALL"s are rebadge Opel's,the French bought Vauxhall of the Americans.
BLAME THE FRENCH AND THE EU😅😅😅😅
Wow, couldn't see that coming.😮
1) Don't purchase SUV electric cars in the UK
2) Only purchase smaller electric cars
3) Only drive these cars practically within the city
4) Or only consider electric cars if you drive 200 miles or less a week
@@ponderingspirit do you realise the new Tesla model 3 long range has a 430 mile range? That's a realistic 300 miles in winter
@Andy-zi1wj I suspect recent technology from leading electric vehicle manufacturers will improve practicality. It's probably also very expensive. I don't mind the Tesla 3. So long as It's not a bloated behemoth trying to squeeze through British traffic.
I have a Tesla Model Y - I have travelled from South Wales to Gatwick easy on a single charge with many miles left, and South Wales to Chester with many miles left. There are chargers everywhere. I have been driving the car 6 months and I cant agree with what they are discussing. it is also siginificatly cheaper to run an electric car, you can charge the car in 25 mins on a tesla supercharger.
why do you ev people watch these videos ?
Ed you meant to host the show not give an opinion
This is a disaster for the local economy of the Luton area. The government needs to support Vauxhall somehow.
Still not heard a single person mention the fire hazards EVs cause. Nor the fact we had a multistorey car park fire in Liverpool in 2017, that car park had few if any EVs on it, structurally it was fine after the fire. Fast forward to a couple of years ago, Luton airport multistorey car park had a fire, far more EVs are on the road now so it stands to reason, there was more on the Luton car park. That carpark collapsed. Now. Is that due to more EVs being present and the fact lithium burns at a higher temperature than fossil fuel? Could it be that EVs present a unique structural risk to buildings with under ground car parks and multistorey carparks? Along with the toxicity risk to humans, wildlife, pets, and agricultural land, because lithium turns into hydrofluoric acid when burning.
I'm getting really tired of the above never being mentioned. IF the Luton carpark structurally failed, due to EVs, we need to know. Liverpool one shopping centre has a giant carpark underneath it, what happens if lithium fires do cause structural failure, to somewhere like Liverpool one?
Has anyone mentioned the 80,000 excess deaths caused by tory covid lies?
Kevin is talking a load of b*****ks about people not going back to any ICE cars ! Workers are getting rid of their electric vans in droves & going back to diesels & probably the ones that aren't going to give them up are the ones that don't go anywhere ! Another downside of EV in the winter apart from the depleted range is the heaters are nothing like as good as an ICE car by quite a considerable way !
The majority of UK EV drivers are satisfied with their vehicles and are likely to stay with electric options for their next car purchase. Surveys indicate that 88-91% of current EV owners plan to stick with electric vehicles, showing high satisfaction and loyalty to the technology. This means only about 9-12% of UK EV drivers might not replace their current EV with another one
.Automotive world
@@duuglous1 No because they can't afford to change them & trade-in values are pathetic ! That is the real reason ! I don't know anyone who has bought a secondhand EV anywhere .
@@AGTC009 did an AI search which showed for the 1st qtr 2024 alone: The sale of second-hand electric vehicles (EVs) in the UK has been growing rapidly, reflecting increased consumer interest in zero-emission vehicles. In the first quarter of 2024 alone, nearly 42,000 used battery electric vehicles (BEVs) were sold, representing a significant 71% year-on-year increase. Over the entire second quarter, approximately 46,800 used BEVs were sold, marking a record market share of 2.4% in the used car market. These numbers highlight a trend of accelerated adoption in the used EV segment. Trade in prices will continue to be 'pathetic' as EV prices are getting cheaper and cheaper. Tough if you own an EV but good if you wish to buy.
There are rumors that Vauxhall will build a new factory in Poland
@@aukebij3193 they already have factories there
Regarding Christmas dinner costs. Is the cost based on using someone else's electric and gas.
Wait until all vehicles are electric, and see how much our electricity costs then, when there is no Diesel or Petrol or Gas.The electric companies will charge what they like.
20 years you say we will all have ev and heat pumps where we getting the electricity from .
It’s a pipe dream
The ev is scrap when the battery goes after about 8 to 10 yrs how is this saving the planet I have a petrol 21yr old car still going with 140000 miles on it
Most electric cars have a minimum 8 years battery warranty for minimum 70% charge
We bought electric and we went back to petrol when the cost of energy rocketed. We had problems with the car too. But I am not convinced manufacturing the actual electric car is less polluting than the regular cars. And then what happened to the batteries once they no longer work?
@@MsKenzo7 they get recycled or used in the grid for storage and as technology gets better they will just replace damaged cells
Jeez I don't get how these people can be pid to comment when they clearly do not know whar they are talking about. 'EV are more expensive because they are cheaper to run " I don't think so if you use public chargers or factor in depreciation !
it is the customer that picks the cars they want not the gov and it should not impact the makers
So, should people be able to abversely impact the lives of future generations?
To add, heating engineers & plumbers will be fined if they do not meet targets for heat pumps over gas/ oil boilers!!!!!!
There are a lot of factors in charging your battery😆
End Net Zero.
Smog lover
@@julianshepherd2038..Did you have to go to University to learn how to write such nonsense 😂
Poor tax
@@julianshepherd2038 why do we have to go to town on carbon. When we have India china Russia polluting the world alone 😂😂😂
So says the old tory who dose not have children.
We the uk public are to blame. We let this happen. Net zero is going to finish this country off. Why does net zero not apply to India and China???
Stop the direct debits; speak out with your wallet.
It does.
The only chap talking sense is the chap with the blue tie
I have electric, for city and living near city for commute is fantastic….traffic jams I can create electricity. Acceleration at traffic lights is smashing…..you need a charger at home tho
You have to be pretty special to think a fifth is one in 20
Vote REFORM party !!
Why ?
@@markmcbride678 To stop net zero BS
Voted for them last time, so disappointed Liebour got in.
No planet B 🙄🙄🙄😎
Hybrids are the way forwards! Not all electric ⚡️
Boris Johnson was the pioneer of the Boris Bus so let him pioneer the Carrie Car
The 1178 jobs are NOT at risk under Labour ! They are Lost under Labour !. We have 5 more years of Labour in power 😞
Oh dear another thick tory ...it's tory policy from 14 years that has caused this you donut 😂😂😂😂
@@markmcbride678 if its so obviously bad why not overturn it on day 1 like they did with rwanda?
Log fires next then the slaughter of cows. Get the working class off our roads. I wish Vauxhall all the best
It begins
Can't afford £60,000 for an electric large van , and the range stinks !!!!!!!
Is the world climate going to change when all ,or most UK drivers have EVs. Just asking?Same with heat pumps.
@@beastieboy3926 no as the UK is only 1% of world's emissions
EV is not the way hydrogen is the only way
I don't thinks so, but anyways, the low is not about enforcing battery electric vehicles but about banning pollution ICE vehicles. You can drive an hydrogen car if you dare. Good luck.
@@didierpuzenat7280 lithium is a limited item and costs the planet when mined look it also it disposal is not good as well so good luck there were as hydrogen is abundant and JCB have got an engine that works also need less infrastructure in place think people need to do research
@@skaro4ever Lithium is abundant, and as a metal it can be recycled. Hydrogen is almost non existent as a resource, you must produce it and this process requires *a lot* of energy. And of course hydrogen cars need *far more* infrastructures since you cannot fill your tank at home or work while it is easy with a battery electric car. But yes you are right : "people need to do research" before posting.
Do people really want to live and work in Luton?
Completely quiet car is more dangerous on the road.
At the end of the day they are making EV's that nobody wants to buy. We are years behind on EV charge points, Local Councils can't afford to put them in, the Government won't pay, and that's without mentioning the shocking range, battery issues, no resale value, they cost 50% more than their petrol counterparts. I will buy a brand new petrol in their final year and drive it as long as I can
Don't blame them who would willingly want to stay in Luton 😂
Here is a chance to take advantage of Brexit, inviting BYD to build factories here for batteries and electric cars. The UK can be a backdoor for them into the EU. The cars are also much cheaper which is why they've put tariffs on them in Europe but that would help consumers, we get jobs and the government gets taxes.
Brexit and the Tories battery vehicle policies have caused this.
Didn't take long for a whining remoaner rejoiner bringing up brexit, so if you sados had won in 2016 , the Luton plant would have remained open then ?😂
You obviously have no idea of what happened to our manufacturing and engineering prior to Brexit. Wakey wakey.
You’re just living in denial of your actions. Even a half wit could figure out the negative effects of leaving the EU ,particularly on industries that rely on exports. Those that are European owned, like Vauxhall, are at particular risk of disinvestment. Wake up, smell the coffee and face up to what you contributed to.
Kevin. Will you get a heat pump.
I will...but I'll read up first and do the sums.
Wot?😂
Y, even you know they don't work.
Blame net zero
Soon to be called lazy layabouts who do not want to work.
NIO swap battery in 3 minutes with new Gen4 swap station. Maintenance of the battery is NIO'S responsibility, each time one swaps the battery the onus is on NIO the battery is Fit For Purpose
The title says "Vauxhall".
Next British Brand too History books along with Jaguar Land Rover!
Jesus that pratt from the Daily mirror is the reason I left...
Yes they should be held to the manifesto it's deception that's a crime
Quite glad that Labour are tanking the economy, every generation needs to learn what they're about.
Net Zero targets to high not demand for Ev s huge fines on companies for not reaching them
A guy up the road bought some electric barge. Two years in there was a problem with the battery and he took it for repair. He was told it was a write off. It cost £80k.
Electric shoes might be a good idea
Quiet like my roomba 😂
Insanity
Who’s the other woman on the show?
How about tucks trains boats and planes ?
Brexit Brexit Brexit - all horrible roads lead to Farages lies and Brexit
Scunthorpe steelworks to follow another 20,000 over the course of this labour government
Vauxhall are doing this because of Tory policies.
Steel works was set to shut down under the tories
Also... think about this.
1. your 40k car, would completely change my life if i had 40k!!! what kind of muppet buys a remote control toy car for 40k lol
2. based on this i wouldnt spend 40k on a car, if i had 40k id change my life, not my car. if she gave me 40k id show her how 40k can change one persons life and why thats a total wast of money.
3. if a student gets a degree and masters to get a job.. 40k, then a house 350k would they then want 40k to pay on top of that? then 10k a year for basic bills, 5k basic food a year, prob 15k for a family of 4 basic, its a debt for life plan..
If you were listening properly Laura said she didn't buy the car right out .
@philipcounsell4709 yes I know... so you don't pay 40k for a car you buy over time then?
This is one issue people in the west or UK have is we have no a qualified schooling on economics. ...
40k is 40k or more with interest wether you buy it cash or over time.
Unless u get multiple meaningful payrises or a financial windfall ... then your lifetime income is a fixed amount.. thus ... calculate ... life finance minus purchase = lifefinance left .
@VauxhallTigraSpider says the man who owns a Vauxhall Tigra
@philipcounsell4709 I've owned many cars .. I didn't pay 40k for, nor did I buy with credit . Everyone loves a labour loving troll
Electric car benefits and cons are all subject to some context of where you live. If you have one with 300 miles of range, I'm sorry but if you're running out of charge, that's on the driver! The only time I ever charge it 'on the road' is journeys between MCR and LDN (I only need to charge it going there or back, not both). For actual data, this year I have spent exactly £520 on charging, for petrol it would be £1,379.
And yes, of course if you dont have a charger at home, its not worth the benefits probably for lack of convenience using public chargers. If you do have a charger at home, its very convenient actually.
What do you think will happen when the government no longer gets its fuel duty tax income ?
Do you think you will still be paying £520 ?
@Hereford1642 I didn't make any comment to long term, purely the current circumstance. I don't doubt you're right 😊
Im strongly against net zero targets but im a strong advocate for evs, if it suits your daily driving needs. Same for solar if you do your maths and dont plan to move, its a no brainer
No way am i going to get electric. Its ridiculous to even consider.
No it's not.
@chrisnortheast888 why isn't it. Is it green energy, nope...the absolute disaster of digging up all these materials for batteries has damaged the planet even more and at a alarming rate. Do they work in the real world. No again because charging infrastructure isn't in place, batteries don't last when cold. Batteries are highly expensive to replace. The cost of the car in the first place is ridiculous. Then the cycle starts again. Digging, shipping, manufacturing and to say oh we are green. No we just didn't make the mess here and we paid for it somewhere else. Made another country look bad so we can look good. Ridiculous along with net zero
@@jasoncollier5561 So you're against taking stuff out of the ground and using it to make stuff, but you're fine with taking stuff out of the ground and burning it? We're being lied to by the fossil fuel sponsored mass media and you sound like you've fallen for it. Start doing some independent thinking and not just trot out the same old tired nonsense that all of the EV haters repeat without knowing what they're on about.