Just a heads up with the spare, the advantage of working it into tire rotations is AWD platforms need even tread depth across all 4 tires. So if you rotate all 5, if you ever needed to put the spare on, you could continue driving it normally
I was in my Subie the other day and went through a construction zone. The road was down to the dirt and had some potholes in it. The car in front of me was another Subaru and they were going about 3-5 mph. I was thinking, Dude, you’re in a Subaru, go faster ! Geez, I’ve taken it the day before at 25mph. Dang it, I’m in a Subaru, it’s designed for this type of terrain.
That's my exact car. I tow a boat, so I will be a good test of the CVT. It's a little boat. 14ft aluminum with a 10hp outboard. But I fish a lot, so I tow it a lot. I told my dealer guy I was gonna tow a boat, and he was a tad nervous for me.
Nice, Ice Silver! Is a great color on these! I’m also curious about your towing, it’s rated to tow so don’t let any of us cause you worry about it! 🙂🤷♂️
I bought a new 2023 bronco sport and now it’s in the ford service center for warranty repairs for 3 weeks. It might be a lemon and if it is in probably getting a Crosstrek Wilderness or a RAV4 Woodland.
I did a search for for my car (identical to yours and a 2022) because I've had so many issues with mine. Major oil leak at 3000 miles, the computer is super glitchy, it will suddenly lose power at times, jerks, and the transmission randomly does weird things. It's my 4th Subaru and I've never had an issue before...but it appears I got a lemon this time. Still only has 4100 miles on it. I'm thinking of selling it.
things I never expected to use in my wilderness. front camera (came in handy when trying to find a place to fish going over huge off road humps, (18° incline) That's about it. literally everything else is useless. but I do love the vehicle. it's been very good to me. but for the love of God, I wish all the extra crap was not needed. had to get used to the CVT, man I wish I had a six-speed. also rotate the spare, It's not compromised. it's a full-size tire and the tire it replaces will now become the spare so you're still have a spare.
I've owned my 2023 Subaru Forester Wilderness for about 2 weeks and in the first week of ownership I was driving 65 mph on the highway, plenty of distance between the cars around. A pebble or rock (didn't see anything) hit my windshield and placed a quarter sized chip and spiderweb crack. I was on the fence about buying one because of consumer reports of easily crackable windshields compared to other brands. I don't know what to make of this. This seems pretty problematic and Subaru should have resolved this by now. I had 390 miles on my Forester when this happened. I've driven 28 years and several hundred thousand miles between other vehicles and have probably only had a windshield replaced twice in all that time. This is my only gripe about Subaru. Otherwise, the rest of the build quality is solid and it's fun to drive. I'm getting the windshield replaced and coated with a diamon fusion protection tomorrow. We'll see if that helps in the long run? It's reapplied every 6 months for the length of my loan. But I have to say, Subaru really needs to figure this issue out. It's TOO common of a complaint and has soured my enjoyment as a new owner. Aside from this issue, I would definitely recommend one. But as it stands, buyer beware. Thank you for your Subaru videos. I've enjoyed them.
Oh no, I’m sorry that happened to you so quickly, and on a Forester! I don’t think I was aware that they had as susceptible of windshields to damage as the legacy/outback platform. The issue that I had almost seems due to poor alignment causing a random stress crack that appears at the location on my photo. I can say I definitely keep my distance behind trucks and semi’s when on the interstate, lol. I really appreciate you sharing your experiences for others to benefit from and I’m glad you’ve enjoyed my videos! 🙂
@AutomotiveAnonymous208 Thank you! Yes, your videos were helpful in influencing me into buying a Subaru. I am happy with everything but the windshield issue. I was given warranty options with 100% drivetrain coverage for as long as I own the vehicle (faulty engine and transmission issues are repaired with no milage cap) and 15 years on electronics replacement. So the infotainment center and such. That is peace of mind. It's just the whole windshield thing that is bothersome and I hope most owners don't have to experience this headache. But thank you for sharing your thoughts and stories as well. I mostly have positive things to say about Subaru. They are impressive pieces of machinery and feel pretty solid.
There’s an art form to how you hit the gas to get the CVT to play nice, and I couldn’t even explain it to you lol. If I want to have fun I just drop into paddle shifting.
I'm almost at 2 years ownership of my '22 OBW... also in Ice Silver. After those 20+ months, I still like it, but I don't *love* it. It's a car that is so close to perfect, but let down by the CVT. I've not had a CVT failure on it (though my wife's '20 Crosstrek had a failed CVT at 6K miles), but it is the "wet blanket" on an otherwise great car. If I were to get something else, it'd probably be a Bronco (not the Sport), or one of the new Land Cruisers (though I shudder at the thought of the dealer markups on them). I'll be in a rental car this next week (pretty close to you, funnily enough), which generally makes me miss my OBW.
You picked the best color. 😉 I’m sorry to hear about the Crosstrek! I’ve driven a couple Bronco’s, they’re definitely cool but the back seat and cargo area is fairly small from what I remember. Do you think the Ford reliability with those complex Ecoboosts would be any more reliable than the Subaru? I’m not sure what’s reliable AND capable these days, lol. The new LC does look potentially very cool, but you’re right, not at any markup. That is very cool! 😎
That’s true! I use to own a supercharged FJ cruiser, very similar to the 4Runner chassis. But sub 20mpg and worse safety ratings do come with that increased capability and dead reliability the 4R offers.
@@AutomotiveAnonymous208 you’re right about the 4Runner having abysmal fuel economy, and so so safety ratings. Both of which should be improved with the next generation coming out soon.
Purchased my 22 wilderness July 2021. Only complaint is the glitchy touchscreen. It lags frequently on inputs, and CarPlay cuts in and out about 25% if the time. I’ve had it reinstalled twice, the second time being the updated version. Still glitching.
Thank you for your video. I’m thinking of buying one of these. I’m 6 foot two. Would I be comfortable in the driver seat? Is there enough hedge room? Most of these type of vehicles aren’t designed for tall people if you could reply thank you.
My pleasure in making it! As long as you would enjoy the comfort/bolstering provided by the seat, which is 10 way power adjustable, I have little doubt you could find a comfortable driving position. If I was 2-3” taller I don’t imagine I’d have any issues. Definitely test drive one to confirm! Best of luck. 🙂
Not that I can distinctly recall, were you by chance taking those corners at some speed? 😉 I will say, the OBW seems to handle good or fair for a CUV like vehicle, but it does not handle or change directions well at all compared to a more sporty ride. So I’m not surprised it could feel like it’s sliding.
My 2022 wilderness vdc/traction control sensor is triggered all the time! There are lots of gentle banked curves on my road and they trigger the car. I am not driving fast and no other car in my household does it. It drives me crazy honestly.
Just put some weight in the trunk and it will behave much better. Like couple of 36 pack water bottle cases from Costco. My forester's back end slides out a lot, but the weight in the trunk mitigates that. Also you can get the CrossClimate2 tires, which help a lot on wet surfaces.
The Wilderness is too wild for me..... I'm getting the Limited XT or Touring XTtrim levels...... the Wilderness is tall with tiny wheels just look funny like a tall guy with big upper body with tiny long skinny legs at the gym...
2.5 years is actually the longest period of time, lol. That was about how long I kept each of my Toyota Tacomas. I’m sure I’ll keep this longer than those. I’m getting a bit tired of writing checks for depreciating cars. 🤷♂️😆
That’s your opinion, and it’s valid. The vast majority of people never end up using their spare tire. I’d rather not compromise its integrity in anyway. If I’m in a position where it’s desperately needed, the risk of very brief unequal wheel rotation is not greater than the immediate need for a suitable spare that can be used as a front steering/braking wheel. That’s my opinion, equally valid. 🙂
@AutomotiveAnonymous208 I commented before on using the spare tire in the tire rotation. Doing that set off the TPMS light, so I won't use spare again til needed. Got almost 12k on my '22 OBW and no complaints so far. On its 3rd oil change.
I don't mean to sound stupid or dumb, but how are you supposed to include your full size spare tire in your rotation? You can't have 5 equally used tires, you can only use 4 at a time...
No, that’s a good question. There’s a sequence to how to rotate Subaru tires due to its AWD system and multidirectional wheels. When someone chooses to have their spare included in the mix there’s a similar but different 5 tire rotation schedule to include it, and each rotation swap a different wheel out as the new spare tire. That way all the tires stay within rotation mileage interval of each other. It’s a person choice whether you do a 4 or 4 tire rotation, as can be read on the original comment thread, lol. 😉
Just a heads up with the spare, the advantage of working it into tire rotations is AWD platforms need even tread depth across all 4 tires. So if you rotate all 5, if you ever needed to put the spare on, you could continue driving it normally
You’re right, that is a good advantage to including it into regular rotations! Thanks for watching. 🙂
correct, I did not understand the logic the author used to exclude the spare from rotation
I was in my Subie the other day and went through a construction zone. The road was down to the dirt and had some potholes in it. The car in front of me was another Subaru and they were going about 3-5 mph. I was thinking, Dude, you’re in a Subaru, go faster ! Geez, I’ve taken it the day before at 25mph. Dang it, I’m in a Subaru, it’s designed for this type of terrain.
😂
I get 17mpg driving around my town in SoCal. Lots of start and stop. Best mpg I’ve ever gotten is 26 and I drive like a 80yo man
Love your videos. I watched quite a few before buying my forester premium
I’m so happy to hear that, I have a lot of fun making them. 🙂 Congrats on the Forester, those are such good vehicles!
That's my exact car. I tow a boat, so I will be a good test of the CVT. It's a little boat. 14ft aluminum with a 10hp outboard. But I fish a lot, so I tow it a lot. I told my dealer guy I was gonna tow a boat, and he was a tad nervous for me.
Nice, Ice Silver! Is a great color on these! I’m also curious about your towing, it’s rated to tow so don’t let any of us cause you worry about it! 🙂🤷♂️
I bought a new 2023 bronco sport and now it’s in the ford service center for warranty repairs for 3 weeks. It might be a lemon and if it is in probably getting a Crosstrek Wilderness or a RAV4 Woodland.
I’m sorry to hear that! Hopefully your next experience is much much better!
I did a search for for my car (identical to yours and a 2022) because I've had so many issues with mine. Major oil leak at 3000 miles, the computer is super glitchy, it will suddenly lose power at times, jerks, and the transmission randomly does weird things. It's my 4th Subaru and I've never had an issue before...but it appears I got a lemon this time. Still only has 4100 miles on it. I'm thinking of selling it.
Ouch, I’m really sorry to hear that you’ve had such a poor experience. 😞
things I never expected to use in my wilderness.
front camera (came in handy when trying to find a place to fish going over huge off road humps, (18° incline)
That's about it. literally everything else is useless.
but I do love the vehicle. it's been very good to me. but for the love of God, I wish all the extra crap was not needed. had to get used to the CVT, man I wish I had a six-speed.
also rotate the spare, It's not compromised. it's a full-size tire and the tire it replaces will now become the spare so you're still have a spare.
I’m sure your OBW is fun to take fishing! 🙂
@@AutomotiveAnonymous208 very much so!
I've owned my 2023 Subaru Forester Wilderness for about 2 weeks and in the first week of ownership I was driving 65 mph on the highway, plenty of distance between the cars around. A pebble or rock (didn't see anything) hit my windshield and placed a quarter sized chip and spiderweb crack.
I was on the fence about buying one because of consumer reports of easily crackable windshields compared to other brands. I don't know what to make of this. This seems pretty problematic and Subaru should have resolved this by now. I had 390 miles on my Forester when this happened.
I've driven 28 years and several hundred thousand miles between other vehicles and have probably only had a windshield replaced twice in all that time. This is my only gripe about Subaru. Otherwise, the rest of the build quality is solid and it's fun to drive.
I'm getting the windshield replaced and coated with a diamon fusion protection tomorrow. We'll see if that helps in the long run? It's reapplied every 6 months for the length of my loan. But I have to say, Subaru really needs to figure this issue out. It's TOO common of a complaint and has soured my enjoyment as a new owner.
Aside from this issue, I would definitely recommend one. But as it stands, buyer beware.
Thank you for your Subaru videos. I've enjoyed them.
Oh no, I’m sorry that happened to you so quickly, and on a Forester! I don’t think I was aware that they had as susceptible of windshields to damage as the legacy/outback platform. The issue that I had almost seems due to poor alignment causing a random stress crack that appears at the location on my photo. I can say I definitely keep my distance behind trucks and semi’s when on the interstate, lol. I really appreciate you sharing your experiences for others to benefit from and I’m glad you’ve enjoyed my videos! 🙂
@AutomotiveAnonymous208
Thank you! Yes, your videos were helpful in influencing me into buying a Subaru. I am happy with everything but the windshield issue. I was given warranty options with 100% drivetrain coverage for as long as I own the vehicle (faulty engine and transmission issues are repaired with no milage cap) and 15 years on electronics replacement. So the infotainment center and such. That is peace of mind. It's just the whole windshield thing that is bothersome and I hope most owners don't have to experience this headache.
But thank you for sharing your thoughts and stories as well. I mostly have positive things to say about Subaru. They are impressive pieces of machinery and feel pretty solid.
My ‘21 Onyx had two multi plate transfer clutch replacements. Hope my ‘24 OBW fares better!
Ouch, did warranty cover both of those? I hope it fares better as well!!
@@AutomotiveAnonymous208 yes both were under warranty at 28k and 36k miles.
I like my 2024 Outback Wilderness, but the CVT is very unpleasant. I miss the time when a manual conversion was possible for almost any car!
Absolutely!
Tell us all WHY you don't like the CVT with your turbo engine. I just think this trim is overpriced.
@@ofcbob6391 both are very laggy in their own personal way... So, in the end, you never know when and how you'll get the power you're looking for!
There’s an art form to how you hit the gas to get the CVT to play nice, and I couldn’t even explain it to you lol. If I want to have fun I just drop into paddle shifting.
I'm almost at 2 years ownership of my '22 OBW... also in Ice Silver. After those 20+ months, I still like it, but I don't *love* it. It's a car that is so close to perfect, but let down by the CVT. I've not had a CVT failure on it (though my wife's '20 Crosstrek had a failed CVT at 6K miles), but it is the "wet blanket" on an otherwise great car. If I were to get something else, it'd probably be a Bronco (not the Sport), or one of the new Land Cruisers (though I shudder at the thought of the dealer markups on them). I'll be in a rental car this next week (pretty close to you, funnily enough), which generally makes me miss my OBW.
You picked the best color. 😉 I’m sorry to hear about the Crosstrek! I’ve driven a couple Bronco’s, they’re definitely cool but the back seat and cargo area is fairly small from what I remember. Do you think the Ford reliability with those complex Ecoboosts would be any more reliable than the Subaru? I’m not sure what’s reliable AND capable these days, lol. The new LC does look potentially very cool, but you’re right, not at any markup. That is very cool! 😎
A vehicle that is both reliable and capable would be, a Toyota 4Runner. One of the best with that combination actually.
That’s true! I use to own a supercharged FJ cruiser, very similar to the 4Runner chassis. But sub 20mpg and worse safety ratings do come with that increased capability and dead reliability the 4R offers.
@@AutomotiveAnonymous208 you’re right about the 4Runner having abysmal fuel economy, and so so safety ratings. Both of which should be improved with the next generation coming out soon.
Could you elaborate why you don’t like the CVT?
Purchased my 22 wilderness July 2021. Only complaint is the glitchy touchscreen. It lags frequently on inputs, and CarPlay cuts in and out about 25% if the time. I’ve had it reinstalled twice, the second time being the updated version. Still glitching.
And I’ve just hit 50K miles.
That’s a lot of driving! 🙂
Try different usb cables. Cheap ones seem to make it glitch like you said.
Thank you for your video. I’m thinking of buying one of these. I’m 6 foot two. Would I be comfortable in the driver seat? Is there enough hedge room? Most of these type of vehicles aren’t designed for tall people if you could reply thank you.
My pleasure in making it! As long as you would enjoy the comfort/bolstering provided by the seat, which is 10 way power adjustable, I have little doubt you could find a comfortable driving position. If I was 2-3” taller I don’t imagine I’d have any issues. Definitely test drive one to confirm! Best of luck. 🙂
I’m 6’4 250 and I love driving my wife’s. Super comfortable
Does your wilderness slide on wet roads when turning while already moving? Mine has a few times
Not that I can distinctly recall, were you by chance taking those corners at some speed? 😉 I will say, the OBW seems to handle good or fair for a CUV like vehicle, but it does not handle or change directions well at all compared to a more sporty ride. So I’m not surprised it could feel like it’s sliding.
My 2022 wilderness vdc/traction control sensor is triggered all the time! There are lots of gentle banked curves on my road and they trigger the car. I am not driving fast and no other car in my household does it. It drives me crazy honestly.
@@AutomotiveAnonymous208 Thanks for the reply:)
@@havensoutdoorworld3656 Does it do it if you turn of VDC?
Just put some weight in the trunk and it will behave much better. Like couple of 36 pack water bottle cases from Costco. My forester's back end slides out a lot, but the weight in the trunk mitigates that. Also you can get the CrossClimate2 tires, which help a lot on wet surfaces.
The Wilderness is too wild for me..... I'm getting the Limited XT or Touring XTtrim levels...... the Wilderness is tall with tiny wheels just look funny like a tall guy with big upper body with tiny long skinny legs at the gym...
😂
4:51 Is that window tint aftermarket?
The back half is factory and the front half has 35% 3M color stable. 🙂
My AVG is _always_ 19. Am I reading this wrong or something? They’re city miles btw.
I could easily imagine getting 19 in slightly more traffic than I experience in town. Mpg is definitely a weakness of the mighty Wilderness! 😅
Are you driving a Wilderness?
@@Doc1855 yessir. ‘22
You had me at $60 a month on insurance, how ?🤷🏼♂️ whos your carrier.
State Farm! But there’s quite a few factors and an accident free driving record that definitely helps out a lot.
Well, since you only keep your vehicles for about 3 years, you’ve got another year to go
2.5 years is actually the longest period of time, lol. That was about how long I kept each of my Toyota Tacomas. I’m sure I’ll keep this longer than those. I’m getting a bit tired of writing checks for depreciating cars. 🤷♂️😆
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Stupid not to rotate the full size spare on an all wheel drive. Therefore, not interested in anything else said.
That’s your opinion, and it’s valid. The vast majority of people never end up using their spare tire. I’d rather not compromise its integrity in anyway. If I’m in a position where it’s desperately needed, the risk of very brief unequal wheel rotation is not greater than the immediate need for a suitable spare that can be used as a front steering/braking wheel. That’s my opinion, equally valid. 🙂
@AutomotiveAnonymous208 I commented before on using the spare tire in the tire rotation. Doing that set off the TPMS light, so I won't use spare again til needed. Got almost 12k on my '22 OBW and no complaints so far. On its 3rd oil change.
I don't mean to sound stupid or dumb, but how are you supposed to include your full size spare tire in your rotation? You can't have 5 equally used tires, you can only use 4 at a time...
Thanks for sharing your person insight. I’m glad you’re enjoying it! 🙂
No, that’s a good question. There’s a sequence to how to rotate Subaru tires due to its AWD system and multidirectional wheels. When someone chooses to have their spare included in the mix there’s a similar but different 5 tire rotation schedule to include it, and each rotation swap a different wheel out as the new spare tire. That way all the tires stay within rotation mileage interval of each other. It’s a person choice whether you do a 4 or 4 tire rotation, as can be read on the original comment thread, lol. 😉