Differences between natural training vs enhanced training
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- Coach Thib addresses the common misconception that a natural athlete can use the same program and an enhanced athlete and expect the same response. In reality, as Chris explains, what is optimal for the natural athlete will work for the enhanced athlete, but the opposite is not true. Watch now to find out why!
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This Guy is seriously underrated.. he deserves better
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines If he doesn't, why do you bother to follow his videos?
Yes, my wife thinks I'm awesome.
@@THIBARMY Good for you, I been reading your articles from T-nation and they are fantastic but you seem to write much about steroids, which is awesome and most of them don't want to touch that subject because they are COWARDS... keep it up..
@@mariolp2999 Are you sure you are talking about my articles? I don't remember ever writing an article about steroids. I did write articles on the differences between enhanced and natural training, but that's pretty much it.
@@THIBARMY yes that's what I meant. I had an argument with Paul about his high rep barbell curls for building muscle, I told him that this only helps those guys that are enhanced and he went into a rage calling me an idiot....lol...
This is honestly the best explanation of this concept I've ever heard. Well done!
Completely agree.
@@madmaxrerisen that has absolutely nothing to do with the valid content of the video and I could care less about his personal choices. Now go back to your corner kid.
@@madmaxrerisen like I said, nobody cares that you care. Go away.
@@madmaxrerisen fanboy? What are you 12? You're a wash up and so you come here to hate on Thib because he has what you're too lazy to achieve. You're a bum.
That’s what I thought. Been listening to people on RUclips for years. This gentleman has so far provided the best explanation so far.
Summary: naturals need to focus more on 1. Higher frequency 2. Lower volume 3. Higher intensity
Since when did GSP start bodybuilding lol
Dalton Waggoner haha are you intoxicated
i was thinking the same thing xD
Even has the same accent
@@Vatrik1 Bruh I was gonna comment the same thing xD
I'm not impressed by your performance (enhancing drugs)
As a natural ... This was exactly the information I needed...Thanks a Lot giant !
This is basically the BEST video I have ever watched about muscle building.
When I joined the gym, I got introduced to those high reps sets which gave me incredible pump but put nearly nothing in personal growth (strength and size) along the way, I kind of thought it isn't working for me, began researching and lowered my reps to half and less than half of what my trainers introduced me to. Eventually, it began working and I began growing. Wish I knew that from the word go since it wasted almost 16 months for me to really figure out whatever training I had was for steroid users and not natural builders.
Right now am focusing only on sets with less than 10 reps.
This video just confirms to me am on the right track.
Body building gospel literally!
Anthony Kerry Everyone’s body reacts and builds differently. Keeping your sets at 10 or less may be key for you and for someone like me I see more growth with 12-15 reps per set. Its all about figuring out what works for you. Dont assume you wasted 16 months because you didnt. You just had to figure out what works for your body best
It’s all time under tension for each set fellas. 12 reps? What does that mean? 12 seconds? 24 seconds? 36? 48? Time under tension matters a great deal. I’ve been getting fantastic growth lately from keep sets between 35-50 seconds
@@Youthereogre this is the answer.
John Grabs no it’s not. Time under tension is an intergral driver but should be used in conjunction with progressive overload. See pictured fits time under tension vs heavy weight. It’s a myth to squeeze the dumbbel slowly and contract and feel the mind muscle connection for ALL YOUR SETS. Ideally you start with a compound lift focusing on progressive overload and do back off sets with higher rep ranges focusing on mind muscle connection. It has nothing to do what makes you feel good or what is a good pump. Super sets and drop sets can be used but are inferior to progressive overload for natural athletes that are beginners/intermediate.
The fallacy is assuming what you like to do is the best, because you likely only like it because it’s not that overloading but makes you feel good because of blood flow.
@@CookiePire took the words outta my brain
Please give this man a like guys he really deserves it
I agree he has alot of good information
This is, hands-down, the single best video explaining the difference between Natural and Enhanced training!! Thank you, Sir!! I look forward to more of your content~ Cheers!!
This is the most through explanation Ive ever heard as a natural lifter. Thank you so much! Subscribed.
Does he look natural to you???
Dude... as a natural lifter. Not from a natural lifter. Learn English.
@@peterscarlett1768 regardless, he’s just explaining the difference so it’s irrelevant
Probably the most genuine presentation on the effects of peds on recovery and growth. Just shows how effective peds are in growing mass
I am subscribed. I have not ever heard a clearer explanation from anyone on how to actually train properly, and I have been pursing fitness boldly for 7 years. This is utterly astonishing.
I would love to hear his explanation on what a natural's diet should be when cutting and when bulking, compared to an enhanced lifter. I really like the way he explains.
I really like your real straightforward advice!
This is Awesome man Finally I've found someone that makes so much sense
I've been reading your articles on T-Nation and I'm glad I've found your channel on RUclips. You have got a new follower. Thanks for the valuable information.
just discovered you...one of the best lectures on true building of the body I have ever watched. Thanks for this
happy new year from NYC!
This is the most valuable information I have discovered and learned in the many years I have been training!
Well, im a natural 48 year old training strongman style, and i have been lifting for 6 years. My strength has gone up. Ive gained muscle. Gone up a shirt size. Im doing heavy weight, low reps. Occasionally i do 8-10 reps on accessory movements only,
but 95% of training is 6 or less reps. So yeah, this info is solid. .
That's training for strength not mass . Stick to 12 plus reps with a slow contractions for mass hypertrophy.
@@lcubandude you can still gain muscle when training strength
fantastic Im 52 are u lean? or strong man 20% or higher bf? thanks
@@lcubandude there is no difference believe me
@4amWorkoutClub best results I'v had when I was doing 6repx6 or 8repx5
This was such a great explanation and insight. Terrific video 👌Thank you Sir
Love this channel, new subscriber here! 😎 Have been following coach Thib since decades! Glad to find him back here!
I thought i recognized this guy's name; he is a regular contributor on T Nation. First time hearing him. Wow, great advice and simple to understand.
jovoN Oh wow, you’re right. I thought he seemed familiar as well
He is T nation
Looks like everyone agrees with my thoughts but I’m still adding. He makes so much sense wish I would have found him years ago. Incredibly valuable - Thanks mate
I could listen to this for a whole day. Thank you :)
This is the best vid i've watched on this topic! thanks Coach Thib
Thanks for all this invaluable info. All delivered with passion. I've read all his books religiously and learned a lot each time. On top of being a generous and extremely knowledgeable coach, he's also a great humble guy in person.
hi i am 52 years young...i have been lifting for years..and i agree with everything you are saying..keep up the good work ty
I remember seeing this guy doing articles and videos for tnation. Please, keep sharing your wisdom, the sport needs you
this guy makes so much sense. Glad I found this. I have been through overtraining. Can't sleep and losing muscle after all that hard work in the gym.
Clearest explanation of the topic I've come across. Love when the paradoxes of a subject are answered away. PURE GOLD.
Tbh I didn't know about pump work was really important while being on aas, ....damn, I just thought it was always a good thing, wow.
@@chaosdweller Pump work made me lose muscle natty😂
Such a great insight. Explained extremely well! Ive trained my whole life natural and you have given me a new road to try and travel. Thank you
Amazing explanation. Great channel I can see you growing well!!
Golden. I appreciated the knowledge in this video after watching this a couple of times. Thank you for the information.
This man knows what he is talking about. Muscle gains always came after solid strength gains in the basic lifts in my case.Merci coach ça confirme mes observations!
Just searched for "how to reduce cortisol" and this video came up. I must say, I really liked this. I have spent years learning my body's optimal rep/set range for growth as a natural lifter, and I could have just watched this video. Coach Thib's advice is spot on for me - compound lifts with heavier weight, reps in the 6-8 range! Pure gold!
Best outline i've every heard, appreciate this video!
WHAT A VIDEO !!!
Enjoyed EVERY BIT OF IT...THANX A LOT COACH !
You are just amazing sir.... Very few people have this talent of delivering speech in so much cool way
My secret is that I learn from stand-up comedians! They are the best at creating an emotional response in their crowd.
@@THIBARMY agreed
Good to see this guy receiving such positive feedback. I remember he was one of very few people who I took training advice from (a good 12 years ago) and it was one of the simplest, and most effective pieces of advice I still implement to this day.
Jason wtf is the advice dude?
@@Bharat5834 LOL seriously.
i remember that advice, literally changed my life and got me in peak shape. so simple and concise too, it would only take a few seconds to type out. i wish everybody got it.
Very nice. Great information and I followed one of your leg building programs last year and it was successful.
Omg I wish to have a coach like you!! Truly like the way how you explain things and you're full of knowledge. Thanks to share you hard earned experience in here! Thanks!!
Must be freezing in that gym
lol
LOL, my nipple game is strong. My wife is really jealous. But yeah, it was super cold.
THIBARMY nothing but love for you bro. I was a huge fan of your work on Testosterone Nation and the Superhero program is one of the best around
I think you got his attention dude😂
@@ozziejim8472 he gay
Finally someone actually being honest on RUclips.Thanks
Really great getting the message across! thank you sir...
Great video..covers all important details ..
This confirmed the feedback i have been getting from my body since decades, that after 3 days, my body part needs to workout again and i could never understand why. Always assumed 'its just me', as everything was 5 day training cycle. Thanks for clearing this up. 👍
Wow - i watch fitness videos for like 10 years
This was the BEST, MOST CONCISE, VIDEO on the topic i have ever seen
THANK you!
I appreciate that. It still boggles my mind that some people claim that there is no difference,
@@THIBARMY Could you please give us an idea on how much volume for a natural lifter per body part, per session? I know it's different for each individual, but how about a good starting point? Thanks
@@SuperArc13 There will be individual differences of course. Not only based on someone's genetics and training experience but also their daily stress levels. That having been said, a good starting range is 5 to 12 sets. Don't freak out about the wide range. It's to accommodate various intensity levels. The harder you push your sets, the less volume you should do. If you use an RPE of 9-10 (going to failure or maybe leaving one rep in the tank) 5-7 work sets/muscle is about as much as you should do. If you use an RPE of around 8-8.5 (leaving around 2 reps in the tank) you go do 8-10 sets/muscle is a session. If you use an RPE of around 7-7.5 (leaving around 3 reps in the tank) you can go up to 10-12 sets/muscle..
@@THIBARMY Awesome! Thank you very much for your reply.
What on earth!? WHY am I only finding this dude now! Thanks for the awesome vids Thib
For real. I love his content
Brilliant - After so many years of confusion you've answered so many questions !
Many thanks.........All the way from London.
This is one of the best explanations I have ever heard....my compliments to a brilliant man
To the point, no jokes in between that get the audience out of the topic, real shit in 2 words. Good job.
This guy is the GURU!
Wow, this guy makes a lot of sense, thanks for a great video friend!
Best explanation I‘ve ever heard on this topic. Thank you so much😊
A full body routine 2-3 times a week or Upper/Lower work great for Naturals. 💪🏾
@Lee Alex That is great man.
Nothing wrong with Upper Lower 4 times a week.
Personally I think full body 2-3 times a week builds faster gains. But Upper Lower is great alternative. All routines will eventually get you to your potential. Some faster then others.
Lee Alex can u email me your upper lower program
Wow, that was really perfect or near to perfect.
You are a great teacher. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!!
Hi, recently found your videos and just want to say thank you. it is really informative and well put together.
I guess I've been overtraining since I started lol. Great Video.
I wish I'd have known this years ago. Thank you
I just watched a bunch of videos on the topics and yours is by far the best and the clearer I have seen, you deserve to be a much bigger channel!
This video explains so much. Do more of this topic man
I'm not so sure about all your points tho, I experienced huge mass gains as a natural guy by actually focusing on volume instead of weights for 5 years in a row. Just switched my training schedule in favor of heavier weights and lower reps now though. Nevertheless, very interesting to listen to, keep up the great work :)
EDIT: just watched more of your vids, you seem very informed about everything and I can better understand where your points are coming from and I must admit that I felt very related to the pros and cons that you described in another vid. Thank you a lot for this amazing content
Just because it works doesnt mean its optimal
most interesting thing iv heard in years
Chris thib is fantastic. I learnt all this through trial and error and I wish I had this video 10 years ago when I started lifting weights.
Excellent, informative and clearly illustrates the changes I need to adopt! 👍
This felt like a pastor talking in a church 👍
Welcome to the temple of iron
Say wut???? Hahahhaha
Yup, noticed that too. It's the cadence and he uses when he speaks and the passion behind it.
The confidence of a professor, I can see in his eyes.
he just knows what hes talkin about
The arrogance of a professor maybe
Giovanny c he seems like a humble guy doe
@@CHLM98oh for sure, not hating on GSPs brother at all
Giovanny c i think he just wants ppl to really understand (not just hear) what he talks and means so he speaks more emotionally so viewers rly get the message
Only 9k subs (right now) and better info in 1 vid than 98% of videos ive watched in the past 5 years....underrated
@thibarmy I greatly respect your work and recognize that doing it in your second language takes a huge effort that you make to share with a wider audience.
"I have nothing against the use of steroids..." neither do his shoulders
🤣, love chtistian, but he shouldnt have said that
@Amazon I think people get angry more with the rampant lies than the use of roids.
😭😭😭🤣😂🤣 I was thinking just that,
@@DXultra exactly my point
Neither does his nipples
So we have to do low volume and make every set count.
This video has so much knowledge in it!!! Love it
These are the fundamentals I was looking for... finally someone who really giving all info instead of trying to sell himself.. Great video!!
Hi Intensity - Hi Freq. - Low Vol. for the natural gains.
Been training for years like this, old info for me.
Good job TB. 💪🏼👍🏼
I became my strongest and most muscular in my mid 40s hitting each muscle only once a week. When I try high frequency I have joint problems and become weaker. I guess everyone is different?
What’s your programming look like?
I train every day at 50. Yep, everybody is different.
Same here! I train each muscle only once a week and have made great gains. I couldn't cope more frequency!
Same here, I'm in my late 30s and train each muscle group once a week and currently the biggest and strongest I've ever been. It's all about consistency.
@@MurphyOCP-001 Amen to that Eddie T!!! And the older you get the more important consistency is. At 63 I just can't afford to lay off because it's much harder making a come-back at this age. The come-back after Covid took much longer than it used to.
awesome content, and even comunicating with the audience in the comments in a real, practical way, incredible.
I learned so much. Very thorough. You are an amazing teacher.
He is dead nuts on! When I was young I bought a copy of “Brawn”. I benched 425 no drugs by short intense training. I’m 53 and out of shape but because the gains were real and on/off training I’m still reasonably strong. Great information!!!!
I've changed my split routine recently so that instead of a three day split, working each body part once a week, I work each body part three times a week with less volume and hitting a different angle each workout...so for example on day one, I hit upper/incline chest, day two middle /flat bench on chest, day three flys for inner chest. Same principle on back etc. At 56, I'm seeing gains already so that's for the video.
'Inner chest' lmao
Great information. Thanks, coach!
Your books High Threshold MU and The Black Book of Training Secrets are really great! I've learnt so much from them. Lookin forward to your next book
been following this mans information since i found T-nation about 11 years ago lol i think it was T-muscle then.
Well if you’ve been following him for that long you must have noticed he’s gained about 200lbs of lean muscle using different tnation supplement and training regiments over the last 20 years
@@mossoconnor4417 idk man. he doesnt look anywhere near 450 lbs lol
I think 3x a week, TB is ideal for the natural. CB is right. I agree with him.
Absolutely. If your intensity is very high twice a week can be enough on a full body routine.
Fantastic video and advice 👏 you obviously have a very good understanding about what your talking about. Thank You 👍👍
This video is solid Gold! Thanks man.
You got yoked, steroid-ed out of their minds "natty influencers" telling us we don't work hard enough, and doctors, physio-experts, and life-time natural lifters telling us we're doing too much. Meanwhile, none of us are making nearly any gains along the way and we more than likely eventually end up where we started, making the entire journey a contemplation on why we haven't all instead used the money we've given these people to help us on buying steroids in the first place. I love it.
Im exactly really confused which one is included as steroids but the testosterone one I known.
But most people who actually claimed they were natural they actually consumed a supplements this one makes me confused too I mean if you really is a natural thats mean u should doing it natural, no supplements or something could boost your gains and stamina or fat burner but a natural foods and vegetable or fruits. Does supplements doesnt included as steroids too?
Ive been training like 2 years on with a really bad diet and no supplements now im on a good diet and no supplements its been 4 and a half months and im struggling to get gains and rid of my belly fat (intermittent fasting, low carbs and sugars too).
All I know based on my experience its hard to get rid of fat but its easy to get fat into your body while mostly natural people in my gym their body like a bulk with a fat none of them look so lean if there is a ripped guy he must be small not as big as those people who telling you to work harder or eat clean or telling you must've been doing it all wrong blablablabla.
I remember 1 guy in my gym that offered me some kind of supplements such as fat burner to help me get rid of my belly fat he told me there is no way I can get ripped so fast it might takes years or more without any supplements, you can loose the water weights so fast but not the fat.
jior6 I was told by an Olympic level wrestler I use to train with “the muscles can’t deny the work” simply put train, eat and rest. People get too focused on gains, size, weight etc. Personally All my life I’ve just been active power lifting, some moderate O lifting (not as much o-lifting now that I’m older) and I hike sprint run work with kettle bells do pull ups yoga muay Thai and jiu jitsu and just move my body and lift shit.
I’m 37 years old and recently got hired as a firefighter went through a 9 week physically demanding academy and as the oldest guy I was definitely the strongest and the only two guys faster than me on our distance runs were 23 and 25 years old but they weren’t faster by much and I can out jump and out sprint them. Point being is I never specialized and just training in general keeps me strong and in shape. The muscles can’t deny the work! And I agree this guy is definitely on the roids
Been natural all my life, no supplements, no protein shakes, i eat whatever the fuck i want whenever i want
Plant based supplements are NATURAL foods you eat ...its easier to absorb in liquid form vs solid food to get the full beneficial intake. PEDs is a totally different story tho
EI EI supplement’s aren’t steroids... you’re still natural if you take creatine and protein. So I struggled with losing body fat for years and I didn’t understand why. You need to find your caloric maintenance level and lift like a power lifter for about 3 months then lift for hypertrophy for 3 months build that muscle mass (you don’t need to bulk) eat a gram of protein per lbs of body weight cut out soda completely eat clean and most importantly be consistent! So after six months of training at maintenance caloric levels you’ll notice gains I promise. After six months you can start to “cut” literally do the same exact thing you were doing the last six months but consume 500 less calories. Do that for about five weeks and you’ll notice that you’ve stopped losing weight/ body fat now and in steady state cardio for 30 or so minutes ever other day while continuing to lift the same way you have been. Another couple weeks will go by and it’ll slow down again then you can go ahead and drop your caloric intake another 200 calories out so. During a cut you will lose strength so don’t let that discourage you. Now supplements.... all “fat burning” supplements are BS and don’t waste your money on them they literally just make you shred water and gives a false sense of achievement. The only two supplements people should take are creatine and whey protein. I highly recommend doing research on creatine because it has far more benefits then just strength and muscle growth it’s actually really good for the brain. Also whey protein should only be used to consume that extra bit of protein you couldn’t get from food because honestly it’s really hard to eat 185-200 grams of protein a day.
The way he talks, just like luimarco
on a daly baby pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaase
Fantastic work from this man and gives a great understanding of opinion / fact...
Thats a very interesting piece of information. Thank you.
Pay attention closely to what he is saying.
See full body routine workouts for Natural Athletes. This is what you see in the 40-50 and 60s. Because there were less steroids then. Split routine works great for natural athletes also but you must watch the volume.
This video explains EXACTLY why all my programs are designed around Daily Underlating . And WHY ALL my BJJ and MMA athletes do so well with my Daily Method. Great stuff. You and CP have influenced me more than anybody.
5:18 The M..less
haha but jokes aside this guys gives great info and knows what he’s saying
This is amazing, this information is gold, thanks for sharing
You are so welcome
This is phenomenal, great watch
If GSP and Vin Diesel fusion
who is GSP???
@@sugarlife485 George St-Pierre
@@pwjansevanvuuren409 ???? whoooo is he an actor?
UFC fighter honestly it's not hard to ask Google who GSP is
@@pwjansevanvuuren409 i dont googoo
So obviously for us natural body builders you can't beat fullbody three days a week, Leroy Colbert was right all along, just couldn't explain it with this much scientific explanation,,thanks for clearing up the air, my FREIND,truth is every thing,the lies out there are killing us all,,great job,keep the truth comming.
You could still do an Upper Lower Upper Lower Push Pull, or even one of Thibaudeau's own programs: a 6 day push pull split. Look up "the best damn workout for natural lifters". Or for a 4 day program just Push Pull x 2 or Upper Lower x 2
I love every minute of this. Explains a lot about why I wasn't making progress when I was 19 doing the arnold or ronnie coleman bodybuilding routines.
Glad you are back 👊
Solution to this is stop being obsessed with "natty bs" do whatever it takes to reach your goals
@Andrew Evans plataus are normal an I've like to take at least one rest day.
Omeo-STAAAASIS!
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Everything you said is real badass real world. This should clear up things newbie have done it wrong
Seriously the best information video on RUclips!