M109 Howitzer: America's Self-propelled Artillery
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- The M109 was the medium variant of a U.S. program to adopt a common chassis for its self-propelled artillery units. The light version, the M108 Howitzer, was phased out during the Vietnam War, but many were rebuilt as M109s.
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The M109 was part of a U.S. program that aimed to adopt a common chassis for self-propelled artillery units. The light variant, the M108 Howitzer, was phased out during the Vietnam War, but many of them were rebuilt as M109s. The Ground System Division of United Defense LP, now known as BAE Systems Land and Armaments, developed the M109.
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I was on a crew, 89-91 Germany
Thank you for your service!🇺🇸
Not only were you on a crew, you were there when the wall came down! What a historic event.
Balls of steel. Just like the nuclear USAF guys constantly flying 2-3 planes 24/7/365 with payloads going up to the Warsaw pact and back around Greenland, up to Canada then back around to the south of the US, man all of you guys could stay awake some crazy hours. Especially the guys attached to SAC. I forget what happened but one had to make an emergency landing in either Greenland or Iceland and they weren't too fond of having a nuclear bomber halfway crashing in the snow, I think the landing gear didn't come down either, not that it would've helped in those days.
Thank you for your service! 🇺🇸
If I may ask, What was your favorite memory related to the SPH?
W.Germany, 85-87 M109a2 Pinder Barracks. I was in 1/22Fa, 1AD. Pinder Barracks was Div Artillery Headquarters.
I loved this system. I moved around in my unit, from Officer Driver to Gun Dog, to Armorer, and NBC slave...but the best thing I ever saw was 6 guns, firing 3 rounds of ICM. We shot alot, but I didnt often get to observe impacts. I have been screaming for YEARS, we NEED the ICM or DPICM. Watching that hillside just disappear in multiple explosions and dirt... WOW.
Where were you? Neuremberg here, but we deployed alot. Graf, Hoenfels....
Impossible. The title says it’s new. Lmao just kidding red leg
I still remember when we were re-equipped with the M109A1 heck of an improvement from the original M109
The M109 project managers have been very clever over the years. They first had an entirely new turret, and sold it to congress as an upgrade. The next time around they had an entirely new hull, sold also as an upgrade. The current M109 has 0% compatibility with earlier generations. It is the US Army's version of the Super Hornet program. Upgrades. Sure. Sure. Same system, look no further, write those checks.
I was an F.O and called in fire from most of our big guns in Viet-nam and later in Desert Storm. The longest ranged weapon we used was the M-107 (175MM), range 28 miles, the hardest hitting was the M-110 and M-110A1 (8 Inch or 203 MM). I think that the later should be up graded and brought back, Taiwan still uses the M-110A1. Of course, we still have the 105MM in use, mainly in our Air Assault units or Airborne.
Some of the Iowa-class battleships also served fire support in both wars, did you happen to get the chance to call in fire support from those old battlewagons too?
The issue with the open crew area in the 175 mm and 8” howitzers against counter fire is obvious. In the 80’s FA toyed with adding a ballistic shield, but went with MLRS for that mission.
We will probably never again use naval caliber guns because we're not fun anymore.
But to be real about it, all the M110 barrels became MOABs. The remainder are demil'd museum pieces. There's probably less than a battalion's worth of functional 8in guns in the US.
@@doughudgens9275 Well with the shoot n scoot model, that doesn't really matter too much because you should already be set up and firing in another position before shells even land where you were when you first shot.
I doubt it makes sense to use 8" guns given ever increasing accuracy and ammo technology. The vehicle will be a lot heavier and less nimble, a drawback with shoot-and-scoot tactics.
I'm surprised to hear the latest Palladin iteration is built on a Brad chassis (like the MLRS). This is a great move, I was an MLRS crewman. The SPLL was so fun to drive, it's mobility was it's main defense.
Keep us safe, keep us strong, win the day. THAT should be the major initiative that the military and the government should have. Our military needds to be kept well armed and well equipped.
When I was in the Army in the late sixties, they had the 8-inch self-propelled howitzer in their arsenal. That translate to 203 mm. If that vehicle is still around, I would think that it would be more devastating than 155 mm artillery. One of them set up about 400 feet from our compound in Vienam and every time they fired that sucker, the ground would shake.
The problem is rate of fire and NATO ammo commonality.
I was a Commo Chief in a M110 8-inch self-propelled howitzer battery in the mid 1980s while station in in Germany. I did not get to see it fired often because of obvious reason but when I did, I was very impressed.
The 203 has a bigger/more powerful shell, the problem is that there are no modern extended range rounds for it as there are for the 155, it needs a crew of 8 instead of 4 and more importantly, it can't shoot and scoot
During OSUT training at Ft. Sill I had to carry those big rounds around the barracks when my battle buddy screwed up. Those rounds must of weighed 250 lbs.
Fun to watch. Horrible to sleep at first when living on Ft Sill
That is awesome!
This is a very important move from the US military. Whoever controls the battlefield with the big guns. Wins battles And less casualties. Big step here. Now we have to focus. On building our national reserves. Tens of millions. Of rounds Stockpile in multiple states. Never put your eggs in one basket.
Too late already…..the Russians have built one that can reach 80km. It’s now to be tested in Ukraine. NATO will lose the counter battery duels since it’s shots will fall short. It seems NATO is behind the 8 ball on everything!
I believe 30 million rounds would be nice because it would allow for 82k(nearly three times as many as was used at the hight if the Ukraine war)to be fired a day in a war if need be but it would cost a good bit to store the rounds. But that could be fixed by selling the oldest rounds as new ones are produced. And best to have them at every base that has artillery for each size 105,155,and 227 rockets and ATACMS
Yes i gree 100%
While in combat as a JFO, you can always tell if your rounds that you called for were from a SP, or towed. But one thing I can say is the are dead accurate when it comes to long rage destruction, especially with VT, and air burst. It was a big part of bringing us back home in one piece. I would be horned to go out and do a Polar mission using this new 155. Especially for FFE. People dont understand the role that the 155 plays on the Battlefield. You can really stop the enemy quickly before you have to call for air support. Love it! Its a game changer with the amount it can fire increasing the FFE rate to 12 instead of 6. We will just have to wait and see.
Rock On!
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Very very good video.Thanks.
24-40 kilometers with high accuracy. Damn.
During active warfare the ability to put shell after shell onto an area where the enemy is dug in, has their own artillery and armor firing at you, is something that can't be stressed enough. High explosive shells is key. Just like in tank main cannon use. High explosive shells are always in demand. Tank on tank, artillery on tank isn't very common.
Awesome channel
I just watched a short about an M109 crew gettin a round out faster than a min, *AND* the crew was manually ramming the round home.
I need one of these, they look fun.
The next upgrade that needs to be made with the M109 is auto loaders
Canada needs thousands of these
The manufacturer should mount an automated 50 rather than having a crewmember fully exposing himself because what's to prevent the crewmember from being seriously wounded or killed?
I went from M198 to M110A2 to M109A5 to M270s. Loved to shoot the big 8 inch but we were using powder from the 1950's in 1991 before we got our 109s. Had the COARNG went with Paladins instead of rockets, Id have stayed forever.
Hope the new XM1299 don't get cancelled like the previous Crusader.
You know it will for sure
I was sad to see the NLOS cancelled
Depends....
....on how much the production company pay to key Congress people!!
@@jerrypadilla4384 with a possible conflict with China in the near future I don't think they will cancel it and the lessons learned in Ukraine
@@ameritoast5174A war with China would be fought with missiles and aircraft, not artillery. It just doesn’t have enough reach
My brothers met a lot of M109! It was very HOT!
Hope we are well stocked in Poland!
Thanks, US Military News.
I was in the artillery in 79 to 82. We had the m109 a1, a2, and a3. The guns are much better now.. We had a truck for the fadac computer that was huge to do all the calculations. Now it's probably on a laptop!
Or a tablet.
@@rickmcintosh1771 Yeah, probably a cell phone now days.. 😛
I never liked the M109 artillery piece but loved the self propelled 8 inch howitzer when I was in the Marine Corps. The 8" howitzer can put a round inside a garbage can at 18 miles using the RAP round. That is never been achieved since then even though the the 8" howitzer was first introduced in the 1950's. The 8" howitzer had the best & more accurate sights then any other howitzer made since. The military was stupid with scraping all 8" howitzers just before I was discharged from the Marine Corps.
The thinking at the time was to have the 105mm howitzer's up with the front line troops then the M109 & M198 howitzer's & now the M777 howitzer were farther back to support the ground troops & the 105mm howitzer's while being highly mobile. The 8" howitzer was a general support howitzer which was highly mobile & able to support ground troops along with providing counter artillery support for the 105mm & 155mm howitzer's since no other artillery piece could shoot so far & more accurately .
Well the guided Excalibur 155mm compensates for that, though they ain't cheap. And for heavy stuff they have the heavier hitting Guided MLRS missiles....of course the 203mm could pop heavy stuff all day for cheaper. In the field gun side, the 105mm is being supported with 120mm vehicle mortars, for when they need heavier stuff and the 155mm stuff is too busy hitting stuff over the horizon.
When I was int he Marine Corps, the 105mm howitzers supported the infantry on the front lines such as mortar rounds did. Then the M109 & the M198 155mm howitzers were further back but still provided direct support to the infantry. The self propelled 8" howitzer which could change position at a moments notice to support the infantry or to provide counter battery support for 105mm,M109, % the M198 howitzers Also the 8" howitzer could also be used as counter fire or direct fire while the infantry & the other artillery moved. At this time, tanks were used as front line weapons which you see from footage from WW11. The tanks would not advance or carry troops & support the infantry.
I learned all this while serving in the infantry & tanks. It gave me great insight on how the tanks were under under utilized at that time. I served with many infantry companies even while I had a 0811 MOS rating which is artillery canon crewman. That sure in shit didn't help my chances of landing o job after I was discharged.
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@@brokeandtired Excalibur rounds are going to be a standard option to all NATO countries when the Swedish new factory's will mass-produce them in bulk. and its 20 000 $ and less the misconception is its was in Kronor and not in dollars.
Lol,when you fight Talibans,othervise they are all destroyed like in Ukraine
@@tony18662 at $20,000 that's a big improvement, but for area saturation attacks, i'm sure the old dumb and cheap shells will be used as well.
i expect one day to see some kind of imperial death star gunner helmet (black clamshell) worn by these guys...
UK Purchased the Archer Artillery System!
Why isn't a camera placed at the end of the tank's barrel so you can see the enemy from behind the wall??
I wonder if the future M1299 will have its iwb version of the M992 or the M992 gets to stick around.
Why do I always see mobile artillery firing with the turret sideways (on the 3/9 o' clock)??
Why not fire directly in line with the direction your vehicle is pointing so it minimizes the rocking action?
I'll take 10 of them with spares included.
If the artillery are having to fend off enemy infantry....something has definitely gone wrong.
Omg Santa I need one of these
Beutiful
US should use more sexier names for their weapon systems like the AHS Krab or better yet the Panzerhaubitze 2000 :).
I guess paladin isn't a cool name even though the definition of paladin is trusted military leader also the us military has planet of cool vehicle names Apache, Blackhawk, viper, venom, stryker, avenger, guardian, hornet, super hornet, raptor, fighting falcon, eagle, spirit, lancer, cougar, thunderbolt, super stallion, king stallion ,Chinook, hercules there's plenty of cool names
I'm confused, the "new" M109 is 63 years old?
It's the name for a program. As a former mechanic for these beasts, I guarantee that no 63 year old 109's are still rolling around. Like the joke about the man, who claimed to own the hatchet that George Washington used to cut down the cherry tree. That had 6 new handles, and 4 new heads, before he got it.
Hehe; while not 63years old the M109s the Norwegian Army donated to Ukraine last year were bought from Germany in '69. While indeed updated versions they are now (at least) 54 years old and still wreaking havoc - proves age doesn't matter with a dedicated/ qualified crew + thoughtful tactics@@markcollins2666
Have you ever heard of the M109-52? Its a BAE/Rheinmetall Cooperation and is basicly an M109A7/PzH2000 hybride
No, I was in the M109 A1, A2, A3 & A4. The gunner would move gun horizontally. While looking at a collimator. There a zero, with mills on both sides. On the other side of the gun is the assistant gunner, he rise or lower the gun. Was in Army for 13 years, 10 yrs in artillery 13B10.
A6 and A7, both the gunner and chief can elevate and traverse. I'm a current howitzer chief
Sounds like the M1299 is now geting the technic and barrel of the PzH2000 🤔🤔😊
Oooooh!!!!! I want
M109! Look up 109 compat on osrs high scores!
I love the name "Angry Racoons"
That thing looks SICK total respect from your humble NATO ally Bulgaria
Everyone give respect to the army
And the marines, they're the ones doing the frontline fighting on the ground. Army doing logistics and ground backup while the air force are their air support, navy their naval support and means of transport
Why? Serious question.
@@OscarZheng50 it's not just marines doing Frontline combat. Ever hear of Army infantry and Rangers?
@@scottmclean1996 rangers are like a sneaky force that do specialized missions that normal troops cant accomplish and usually sneakily. marines just charge the beach, D-day style and shoot the bad guys. Army infantry units are basically less skilled marine infantry units; the marines hit the beach and start the invasion while the army comes later once the marines have the beach. the marines are the go to task force to use when invading another country while the army takes longer to gather its equipment and troops and maybe deploy its spec ops rangers. once the army arrives with its full power, they help the marines in the frontline with their tanks and stuff, and the marines would be weakened from the initial invasion so the army is considered the "backup" since marines start the invasion then is assisted by the army to finish it. they're also assisted by the air force and navy ofc
@@OscarZheng50Then why arent Marines stationed mainly in Europe if they are sooo "great" ? you obviously dont know what you are talking about kid.
Can you say "awesome"? I knew ya could!
No offensive but I truly believe Swedish Archer is more versatile. much easier to transport on roads easier to deploy in Europe's Terrain at least . M109 is armored Archer is not but behind the frontlines it is seldom a heavy Tank like paladin is an advantage.
All modern sp artillery in 155mm worldwide use L52 guns, American ones only use an L39
like a medieval trebuchet
Nevertheless you peeps still havent got bragging rights. The German, Russian an the S.A. 155mm self propelled howitzers outsmarts all versions of the M109 self propelled howitzer.
The European artillery systems are very impressive and advanced but the US basically rules the Americas so they’ve had no ambition to create artillery systems like the the Europeans. You won’t be seeing an artillery war with the US in any conflict. With the advent of airpower trying to match artillery on equal footing with your artillery is considered obsolete. Western doctrine intends to fight massive artillery formations using far superior airpower. In terms of exact use, HIMARS and M270 are the American equivalent of Russian artillery and they’re highly flexible and fast systems with MLRS and short-ranged ballistic missiles in two systems.
what is the difference between tanks and these? Angle of barrel?
Howitzers are basically cannons on wheels. They fire from fixed locations at targets out of line of sight, basically long range targets. A tank fires while moving or standing still at line of sight targets.
Armor.
Danie's Dad here ... I served in the M109A2/A3 ... and the M110a2 .... mostly the latter .... but lookin' at the vid of the 109's ...nearly none of them are firing with spades down .... zero stability ... unless they are dumping DPICM, or VTHE in volume at short range, at they are just making noise and photo ops ....
Not true at all. We don't use spades anymore. The A7 doesn't even have them. The new gun laying system gets the gun on within tenths of a mil every time and we shoot very accurately
So again the US didn't manage to research its way into the future without foreign help? Oh boy ...
Love that all its latest procurements come without an final idea what & how exactly to do with.
Ok it's a big gun but unless it has 3 metres of solid armor it will be taken out like everything else
Oops..... The whole time I'm expecting them to show a Luftwaffe's "Messerschmitt Bf 109"
Project Farm is that you?
As Medvedov said they all burn the same.
Looks like a giant target to me.
That's why it stays behind everybody
You can see 110km through trees and mountains? That's crazy.
Ukraine: it’s my armament now
also lancet : it's my favorite food after m-777 & krab now m109 😋
@@scpgaming-452i think for Ukraine Artillery Lancet are the same
@@scpgaming-452except is not rly that powerful
one piece of lancet is enough)))
Soon it will become junk
AFAIK the 1299 is not going to replace the m109. The Army will use both.
I love usa 🖐️🖐️👍❤️💥💥
Why can you not walk 50 M behind it and operate it fully by remote control??
Because electronics can fail and it's artillery its way behind the Frontline there's not Ned for it to be remote controlled also controls can be jammed
India & USA Joint Partnership Development M134 Minigun / M197 Electric Cannon Gun/ GAU 22 A Catling Gun,GAU 19 Machine Gun,GAU 12 Equalizer,GAU 8 Avemger,M61 Vulcan
howitzer western vehicles is lancet favorite food 😋
T-72 is javalins favorite food ka-52 is stingers favorite food
Will the shell reach Moscow?
2023 and we're still throwing rocks at each other.... We're just much better at it now 😉
I dont think you are allowed to use the heavy machinegun against infantry…! But against airtargets and wehicles it is reasonably good though its distance is limited. Funny he starts stating how far it can shoot and then comes up with other distances … depending on the missile/ammunition ..
allowed? its war right? why does it matter if i use a tank to roll em over but shoot a artillery round not ok? the job is to nuetralise , i feel having rules is stupid and a entitlment issue, the ffact you can pick and choose what bombs your gonna have land on you and ban it. makes my brain hurt, expecting your enemy to follow the rules like the rules of cluster bombs, i wonder if theres a ""stop!! dont attack when i yell out timeout rule"" it just convinced me the real goal iss to profit...woke thinking should be kept out of military politics
Though the 'Ma-deuce' was originally designed as an anti-vehicle/aircraft weapon, there is no 'law' that prevents the use of the .50 caliber M2 Heavy Barrel Machine Gun (HBMG) from being used against enemy ground personnel.
Cant see any new Howitzer
Ukraine needs this.
Problem is US army have too few M109 howitzer, about 1,000 guns. Russia has 6,000+ self-propelled guns(SPG).
Noth Korea 5,000 South Korea 3,000+ China 2,700. Even Egypt or Vietnam have 1,300-1,400 SPG's.
US Army should have at least 3,000 SPG's to match China.
Ukraine would put these to good use. Slava Ukraini
these don't last long if their on the front line, better to have a lot of smaller and more mobile platforms.
true I support Ukraine but Ukraine dosnt know how to use these
they know how to export them around the world for resale...@@aburning_sherman2124
I want the next stealth plane or whatever that is to have a signature of a golfball. And i dont buy that "we cant go lower" statement when it comes to signature of the stealth vehicle.
Well the f22 would beat it, the f22 has the signature or radar cross section of about a bumblebee, so we would need a plane with a signature about the size of an ant💀💀
It looks basically the same as the same as the ones they made 80 years ago.
Look dosent determine ability the abrams looks old on the outside but it has some of the best tech money can buy
Too bad it's not equipped with an ETC Cannon.
Semi-auto loading on the M-109 A7 is no longer cutting edge, the Germans, Poles, Russians and Chinese have more modern loaders.
the M-109 A7 biggest problem is thats its only has 39 caliber barrel lenght. When for other NATO countries the standard is 52 caliber guns - meaning using the same amunitions they shoot longer. Thats why the M-1299 is equiped with 58 caliber gun.
Why do they share all this? Like to deter would be aggressors? Or is it just super common knowledge to other powers that it does no harm to share?
Why tell everyone in the world all about what kind of weapons your packing and what they are capable of?
Nice, ummm…..where is it going to get it’s ammunition from? 😂🤣
It as said that the Crusader artillery system could land 3 shells at the same time on the same target from one gun. It was already fully developed and paid for when the Bush admin cancelled it after spending $8 billion dollars on it.
Fantastic, USA do it again...always no. 1, Best military in the World... i'm glad we are freinds.
A drone will take that thing right out of the game. conventional warfare is over.
Ill take a PZH-2000 Please, Im no expert but the Germans just have tanks and big guns in thier blood. Plus, when was the last time a chevy was as good as a BMW ? Never, thats right. 😮
One Lancet 3 and this piece is finished
Just like how 1 javilen and a t72 is finished or how 1 stinger and a ka-52 is finished or better yet How 1 spec ops team a s400 in crimea is finished
@@freedomefighterbrony9053 v‘
C‘est la guerre
Hasn’t the US shipped all its 155mm ammo to Ukraine? If so, what’s the point of having a mobile howitzer?
Not even close
How many of these are we going to send to ukraine
that tank needs a gun that has a faster rate of fire
It's not a tank.
Faster rates of fire wear the tube excessively and can cause a "cook off" from the resulting high heat.
Most artillery pieces are capable of firing far faster than is safe.
No it does not
Thats why they operate in groups 4
@@verdebusterAP Yes, it certainly does. Tube life is rated in full charge rounds fired.
Other than basic training I spent my entire military career in an artillery battery.
@@chash7335
Again irrelevant
I spent my entire military career in an artillery battery-.also not likely
Artillery operates in groups of to maximize firepower as needed
More the point, when you have 4 guns operating together, you reduce the strain on the individual guns
funny someone who spent their life in arty doesnt understand that basic principal
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oh come on americans and europeans...
both countrys must makes many more 10,000 HOWITZERS arms weapons with NATO...
must strong armor weapons M100 / M109
As we can see in Ukraine, even the most advanced weapons of war fail in a puff of smoke if the crews are not trained.
Yes and if war goes on for years there will be lots of shortages. It's back to the trenches
Hi. My. USA. All. Defence.
send it to Ukraine and have it battle tested...Russians would not mind more tinder for the fire
I guess you don't understand stuff gets destroyed in war aint no one saying its invincible
@@freedomefighterbrony9053 yes i do understand. Thats just the point, no matter who or what is made, someone will always come up with something better.
M109 gun range is shorter than K9 and Russian/Chinese counterparts.
try send to Ukraine v rusia war . lancet waiting
Too short gun. That’s all you need to know about alternatives. Any German, British or French alternative is better than this. It ain’t bad, just there are better ones.
😆 BAE
I would rather have a taxes back that paid for this.
Quit wasting money and bring back the
M - 110-A1 8 Inch Self Propelled Howitzer maximum range 25 miles.
Do we have ammunition? Or did we give it all to the Ukraine?
Because of its pride, the US should stop advertising its garbage self-propelled guns M109A7 and import the world's advanced self-propelled guns Korean K9A1.
Cold war Junk! Are we Russia now? We need New Weapons and not Granddads cannon!
It’s amazing the things humans can make to destroy each other with. The incredible amount of money countries spend on these things is astounding. If everyone stopped fighting and directed their efforts and money to furthering the human race we might be exploring the galaxy and never worrying about diseases because they would have all been wiped out. We might even be living twice as long, maybe even staying young, healthy, and active forever. But it will never happen, humans are just not intelligent enough for that.
In other words, if human beings were entirely different to the point of not being human at all, humans would be more successful. That's not the most coherent arguument. It's not a matter of intelligence. Our tribal and predatory nature are what made us successful in the first place.
@@Nerval-kg9sm I agree with you that “our predatory and tribal nature are what made us successful.” But at some point that murderous rage to protect what is mine, or I’ll kill you if I don’t get my way, needs to fade far back and we need to refocus that energy towards bettering all of humanity at the cost of no one. Look don’t get me wrong, I carry a gun everywhere I go and sleep with an M4 Carbine beside my bed. I live in a good neighborhood but the bad guys don’t live but a few miles away. I’m not going to see humanity evolve past killing each other in my lifetime. But I sure would like to see what the world looks like 100 years after that the last war or conflict when people finally get on the same page and turn their heads to the stars or curing all of our diseases and suffering.
Actually, the reason humanity is as advanced as it is today is directly tied to our constant need to kill each other en mass. If not for war and the never-ending attempt to succeed in overwhelming our enemies, we would be lucky in 2023 to possess 16th century technology. The fact that the U.S. military progressed from a front-line bi-plane in 1908 to a super-sonic spy plane (SR-71) that travels at rifle-bullet speeds in 50 yrs and traveled to space regularly by the 1960's is 100% attributable to the need to wage war and succeed. That being said, WAR SHOULD BE AVOIDED AT ALL COSTS, PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH.
More trillions of depth to come for the people of the US ! More of them without healthinsurance and retirement payments ! more poverty ! more homeless people ! What a sick nation !
I've seen a $10000 Lancet 3 take out plenty of these in Ukraine.
Wow equipment got destroyed in a war who would have guessed russia totally hasn't lost artillery to switchblade and Phoenix ghost