I love how you build your logical “argument.” I served in the US Navy in 1986 and stores in Norfolk, Va were closed on Sundays. Thank you for this wonderful social history/theological lecture.
Expository, theoretical and practical, as always. Ministering in fields of great need and little help (like evangelism of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and Sikhs in the West) is like running a MASH unit: It seems selfish to take time to oneself in the midst of a battlefield. Some of our workers are grappling with the need to suffer for Christ and his gospel, vs. personal health and rest. Prayers appreciated.
if Jews were part of the early church, I cant imagine them dumping the sabbath, especially if they thought circumcision was important. Or did new creation completely upend that 7th day sabbath? or did they view the messiah as the fulfillment of the shabbat?
@vegacool1 for starters, please carefully read Romans 14:5-9 and Galatians 4:9-11. The question is not whether any Christians kept the sabbath, but whether Christians need to keep it. Put another way, does keeping the sabbath impart holiness to Christians? How do you answer, based on Scripture?
@bruceboettcher9977 I'm asking the historical question. I understand the law doesn't save or justify anyone. Just trying to understand the silence on the subject from the Jewish community.
@vegacool1 You are on the right track. Search the Law. Nowhere does it command Jews to gather for worship on the 7th day, only to rest from work. Regular sabbath meetings started after the exile, with the synagogue arrangement. Jesus and Paul both witnessed in the synagogue on shabbat, not by command, but because that's when people were gathered. At Acts 20:7, Paul turned a first-day meal into a meeting. Don't ask, what day should we worship?, but ask, what day should we not worship? For faithful Jews and Christians alike, every day is worship day. Please read Romans 14:5-9; Galatians 4:8-11; Colossians 2:16, 17. Notice what it says about observing days. (Romans 14:1-9; Colossians 2:13-17 extend the point to freeing Christians from dietary restrictions and the whole Law.) For my peace of mind, I recently did deep research using only the Bible, no commentaries or other books. I now have a 2-page scripture list (not yet a coherent document) that proves beyond doubt that Christians are not bound by any part of the Law, including the sabbath. Please ask if you have any questions.
@ Isaiah 2:2-4. I find Christians don’t read their Bible. Here it clearly explains what will occur when the real Messiah comes. Sadly we know this hasn’t been fulfilled. Nowhere in the Old Testament does it say the Messiah would be killed and be resurrected.
@@thomasehrlich8623 hmm personally found isaiah 53 is pretty convincing? Psalm 16:10 is quite ip there but there are a few others… but as a christian i must correct you, i do read my bible
@ Did you read Exodus 21 where God condones and promotes slavery? What about Numbers 31:7-18 where God commands the Israelites to murder,rape,and keep the virgins for themselves?
The Sabbath is the Sabbath, it doesn’t change. Jesus went on "working" in ministry just as a high priest would light fires and administer the altar and it’s sacrifices. Christ would never ignore the Sabbath, He is law and judge. [Matthew 5:17,18].
Amen. Jesus didn't need to remind the rich young ruler about keeping the seventh day Sabbath. As a Jew, it would have been unthinkable for him not to keep the Sabbath. He would have been thrown out of the synagogue and been an outcast. As to Paul writing to mostly gentiles in Romans about the Sabbath. Let us not forget that many of the early gentile Christians were also antisemitic and didn't want to be associated in any way with Judaism by keeping the Jewish sacraments. Also, the early Christian church was trying (and succeeding) in converting many pagans whose various religions and traditions worshiped on Sundays because of the Sun God. The Apostle Paul definitely knew his audience. Until I can find in any one of the 66 books that comprise the Holy Bible a clear directive that changes the Fourth Commandment clearly reminding us to keep the seventh day, to now keep the first day, I will continue to keep the Sabbath.
There in NO LAW in the New Testament. Every day is the Lord's Day. God is not bound by time - the Holy spirit shows that every day, all the time is a sabbath- every thing has changed.
@@jacquelinejayamaha6372 Lots of modern-day denominations would agree with you. Nonetheless, Jesus clearly in His own words warned us, Matthew 7:23, "And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!"". The Law is primarily in two books, Exodus and Leviticus, its not that hard to follow. It feels good. Free.
This was an encouraging message. Thank you so much Professor NT Wright. I truly appreciate it. God bless you!
I love how you build your logical “argument.” I served in the US Navy in 1986 and stores in Norfolk, Va were closed on Sundays. Thank you for this wonderful social history/theological lecture.
Expository, theoretical and practical, as always.
Ministering in fields of great need and little help (like evangelism of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and Sikhs in the West) is like running a MASH unit: It seems selfish to take time to oneself in the midst of a battlefield.
Some of our workers are grappling with the need to suffer for Christ and his gospel, vs. personal health and rest. Prayers appreciated.
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if Jews were part of the early church, I cant imagine them dumping the sabbath, especially if they thought circumcision was important. Or did new creation completely upend that 7th day sabbath? or did they view the messiah as the fulfillment of the shabbat?
@vegacool1 for starters, please carefully read Romans 14:5-9 and Galatians 4:9-11. The question is not whether any Christians kept the sabbath, but whether Christians need to keep it. Put another way, does keeping the sabbath impart holiness to Christians?
How do you answer, based on Scripture?
@bruceboettcher9977 I'm asking the historical question. I understand the law doesn't save or justify anyone. Just trying to understand the silence on the subject from the Jewish community.
I believe there were church fathers who believed they should keep both Saturday and Sunday. Ethiopian Christians still do
@vegacool1 You are on the right track. Search the Law. Nowhere does it command Jews to gather for worship on the 7th day, only to rest from work. Regular sabbath meetings started after the exile, with the synagogue arrangement. Jesus and Paul both witnessed in the synagogue on shabbat, not by command, but because that's when people were gathered. At Acts 20:7, Paul turned a first-day meal into a meeting. Don't ask, what day should we worship?, but ask, what day should we not worship? For faithful Jews and Christians alike, every day is worship day.
Please read Romans 14:5-9; Galatians 4:8-11; Colossians 2:16, 17. Notice what it says about observing days. (Romans 14:1-9; Colossians 2:13-17 extend the point to freeing Christians from dietary restrictions and the whole Law.)
For my peace of mind, I recently did deep research using only the Bible, no commentaries or other books. I now have a 2-page scripture list (not yet a coherent document) that proves beyond doubt that Christians are not bound by any part of the Law, including the sabbath. Please ask if you have any questions.
Isaiah and Micah have Messianic Prophecies that Jesus didn’t fulfill. Jesus is a fraud. He isn’t the Messiah.
Wow. If that's true, many of us are in big trouble. Please show us your proof. I'm listening.
he didnt fulfill...Yet. he comes in two comings, the first as Yosef and the second as David. He is no fraud
@ Isaiah 2:2-4. I find Christians don’t read their Bible. Here it clearly explains what will occur when the real Messiah comes. Sadly we know this hasn’t been fulfilled. Nowhere in the Old Testament does it say the Messiah would be killed and be resurrected.
@@thomasehrlich8623 hmm personally found isaiah 53 is pretty convincing? Psalm 16:10 is quite ip there but there are a few others… but as a christian i must correct you, i do read my bible
@ Did you read Exodus 21 where God condones and promotes slavery? What about Numbers 31:7-18 where God commands the Israelites to murder,rape,and keep the virgins for themselves?
The Sabbath is the Sabbath, it doesn’t change. Jesus went on "working" in ministry just as a high priest would light fires and administer the altar and it’s sacrifices. Christ would never ignore the Sabbath, He is law and judge. [Matthew 5:17,18].
Amen. Jesus didn't need to remind the rich young ruler about keeping the seventh day Sabbath. As a Jew, it would have been unthinkable for him not to keep the Sabbath. He would have been thrown out of the synagogue and been an outcast.
As to Paul writing to mostly gentiles in Romans about the Sabbath. Let us not forget that many of the early gentile Christians were also antisemitic and didn't want to be associated in any way with Judaism by keeping the Jewish sacraments. Also, the early Christian church was trying (and succeeding) in converting many pagans whose various religions and traditions worshiped on Sundays because of the Sun God. The Apostle Paul definitely knew his audience.
Until I can find in any one of the 66 books that comprise the Holy Bible a clear directive that changes the Fourth Commandment clearly reminding us to keep the seventh day, to now keep the first day, I will continue to keep the Sabbath.
There in NO LAW in the New Testament. Every day is the Lord's Day. God is not bound by time - the Holy spirit shows that every day, all the time is a sabbath- every thing has changed.
@@jacquelinejayamaha6372 Lots of modern-day denominations would agree with you. Nonetheless, Jesus clearly in His own words warned us, Matthew 7:23, "And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!"". The Law is primarily in two books, Exodus and Leviticus, its not that hard to follow. It feels good. Free.