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I have been leaving this comment for years but I guess I’m never early enough to get noticed: Can we please upvote this so the guys at Max Tech see that the term “binned” doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the “cut down” version of a chip? To “bin” simply means “to sort”. Even golden samples, best of the best, 0-defect chips are “binned” - they are simply binned into a group of “perfect chips.” All chips are “binned” and the term doesn’t imply lesser performance. Intel’s “KS” and “extreme edition” chips, for example, are in fact, highly binned chips because they are relatively rare due to them exhibiting performance characteristics beyond the targeted goal. Edit: because I value providing solutions as opposed to just criticizing and pointing out problems, my suggestion for Max Tech is please use the term "cut-down chip" instead of "binned chip". (as always, for everything, don’t take my word for it - please verify this info yourself)
While your argument is good the internet sees it differently. It’s so much simpler to just say binned and unbinned. For technical people this is a misnomer, but for the average joe this makes sense.
14:19 brother, 48% vs 46% isn’t simply “2% more” when the former is a 100 Whr battery and the latter is a 72.4 Whr battery. That’s actually a substantial difference. Here’s what I mean: 46% of 72.4 Whr = 33.3 Whr but 48% of 100 Whr = 48 Whr. Thats 44% more.
But what counts on the real world is the remaining battery time and not the Whr number. If one device has 46% and the other 48% it means that they have very similar time left running on battery.
@@felipebulhoes2016 yeah but he's comparing a smaller laptop to a much bigger one. so that's useful only if you're considering the M4 Pro 12/16core 14" and the base model 16". Considering the large difference in battery capacity, it should've been mentioned how much more efficient the 12/16core chip was compared to the 14/20core version. Otherwise people may draw the conclusion that they are equally efficient and be disappointed.
@@felipebulhoes2016not true, it depends on how fast that device drains the battery. My gaming laptop will go from 50% to 0 within an hour because of how power hungry it is
I am just now watching this on the 14 inch M4 pro with the exact specs. It's great. I threw in some resolve projects (RAW and LUTs), big Photoshop files, an Unreal Engine 5 project (with everything set to Medium) and it managed fine. No stutter, minimal fan noise. It's not meant to replace my PC workstation but a way to be mobile and "productive"... as I am right now... watching RUclips... on a train... on a MacBook.
Really disappointed with the 16” result. I went with the larger model since my older eyes need the bigger display. If they had a binned 16” I would definitely save the money, but they don’t offer that.
He got a lemon. My M4 16” is quicker than that. And in Canada it’s a $49 difference to go from 14” to 16” if compared to the 14” 1TB model. For me there is no comparison the 16” is better in every way unless you’re buying for portability.
Yeah the 16” is huge, i mean that thing isn’t really meant to be carried around. I’d also be worried about damaging it, i had my mac air screen break on me and it’s a pain to get fixed
I carry around the 16” all the time. With the right backpack I find the 16” much more portable than the 13” MacBook Air because when I take the 16” I can actually complete my work with the larger screen whereas with the 13” Air the small screen size means so much more switching context and back and forth so I get less done. It feels weird to say that the 16 MBP is more portable than the 13 MBA but in realworld use I carry my 16 everywhere and the 13 stays at home so it can be plugged into external screens. Wish my work would allow me to use my 16 instead of their 13 MBA.
@@richardmoore5371I have both a 16” MBP M1 Pro and a 13” MB Air M2. Picked up the later for travel…especially when I also bring a work machine…Lenovo 16” with me. Can travel with the 16” for sure…but dropping the weight is not to be negated.
@@seriessplayer62747 That is a big reason why I have doubts about an expensive Mac where the screen can crack way easier than a plastic Windows laptop screen.
Ergonomics for the 16 inch suffer compared to the 14 inch version when used on a desk as the keyboard is further from the front edge of the notebook. However, that defeciency can largely be corrected by angling the computer by 10-15 degrees with an appropriate wedge product.
Without an external screen at home, and if you use your laptop at work as many do, I prefer the 16 inch. I have a 16 inch M1 Pro and I'm glad I got the larger size. Now, with the M4 Pro, and a nano-textured display, the 16 inch is making me very tempted!
I would love to see a video of the M4 Pro Unbinned in the 14" vs the 16". Basically keep everything else the same, just show us how much impact the different sizes truly has.
I doubt there would be any difference’s worthy of the time to test. The binned and un binned is disappointing as it is, not worth it for the 200.00 either way.
The video really doesn't make sense for comparison If the chip isn't the same you're not differentiating the 14 & 16 you're just comparing 2 computers based on price The 14 & 16 need to have the same configuration to make a comparison
I have an M3 Pro 16” for work. I had an M1 Max 14” and now have a M4 Pro 14”. I thought I’d like the 16” more than I do, but honestly the portability of the 14” is totally worth it.
Yeh, saw it straight away in the back left of the 14". I've had no dents in my M1 MBP but certainly got a ding in my final Intel MBP when I had to put my personal bag into the cargo compartment on a small plane. Thought the M-chip cases were a bit more resilient.
There might be a bigger difference between M4 Max 14 and 16 under extensive use since the M4 Pro chips are less powerfull and quite efficient in both chassis.
I’m curious what you guys do for backing up files in case of an internal or external drive failure. Many suggest not paying for internal storage and using external. That’s fine, but then are you backing up what’s stored on an external drive.. onto another external drive? Isn’t that super tedious? Do you plug both drives into the Mac at the same time and manually make 2 copies of everything? Or do most pay for cloud storage and use that as a backup to the external drive? Internal and external drives do fail.. so again, how are y’all backing up years worth of files?
It would have been helpful of you let us hear the difference in fan noise on each machine, but thanks for the comparison. I'd love to know how the 24GB RAM in the M4 Pro compares to 32GB of older RAM in the M1 or M2 Pro.
Can you do a review of real world performance of m4pro 24gb vs 48gb?! Feels like historically a lot of the pro and max reviews were of higher mem machines which in things like Lightroom have a big impact. Also an m1max vs m4pro review would be nice. Trying to decide on m4pro vs max with 48gb coming from a 64gb m1max.
@@maxweinbach3996 I don't see the relation.... Apple destroyed the competition for sure. The question now, for me, coming from M1MAX/64GB - will I (or can I) be happy with the M4PRO/48GB, giving me better battery life for non-compute intensive tasks (80% of my day to day), or will I get bummed, for the 20% that I do need compute intensive tasks (mostly photo and video editing), that I didn't get up the M4MAX.
@@ADHDOCDbinned version has 2 less performance cores in comparison to unbinned version. Actually these 2 cores are physically present on the chip, but they have been disabled as some of them can be defective (during manufacturing process). However as long as they are disabled they don’t affect stability of whole M4 Pro chip. There is no possibility to enable them.
So what do you think in the 14inch should I get the 12-core or 14-core? What would be the battery life difference between them as in this video the 16inch has a larger battery so not sure what the battery difference is if it’s at 46% vs 48% what would it have been if it was in a 14inch?
I‘ve had enough of video-editing benchmarks. Why doesn’t anyone try machine learning on these devices, so we can see how size of shared memory, and the GPU counts affect learning speed?
Keep an eye out for Alex Ziskind's videos. Here is the initial review with a small part about Machine Learning: ruclips.net/video/ZhmBG67nSDM/видео.htmlsi=Lg6Da_0E1FY1jnrZ He also recently ran a large LLM on a cluster of MacBooks...
I'll be making a video about that (on a 14" M4 Pro MBP with 48 GB of memory). Which model do you have in mind? And are you more interested in speed or model size?
Should I buy the MacBook Pro with 14” M4 Pro 24GB 512GB or the M4 Max 16” 32GB RAM 1TB? I also have 200GB iCloud for files too. I need it for beginners photo and video editing, programming, web browsing, watching RUclips videos, listening to music and podcasts with high quality audio interface and headphones amp. Maybe taking to university and cafes sometimes too.
@ Ok, thanks! And also, should I buy M2 iPad Air and Mac mini M4 or only M4 pro MacBook Pro 14” with maybe iPad mini 7? Which combo would you choose for both Mac and iPad setup for both university and desk use if I am not sure I will take out the Mac but the iPad maybe will take it out too?
Are you going to take it with you and carry it in your backpack/bag? it will be interesting to find out how uncomfortable it will become (I have 15" m3 and it's a pretty light thing)
@@KirillTr I would be glad to buy 15" m4 24gb instead, but don't want to wait 6 months. I just checked for you, 16" fits perfectly all my backpacks. I think the size is about a standard office windows 15" laptop. My only discomfort is to carry it one hand between rooms and floors in my house. m1 13" was a weightless.
The video does not really show how much better the sound of the speakers in on the 16" (you need to hear it yourself). I can do video calls with the 16" all the day without headset - but it's really no fun at all with a 14" (sound quality and fan noise - I'm running some performance hungry apps during the day)
I alrreday bought macbook m4 pro max 14 in model with 14 core CPU,36 GB . my work mostly memroey intensive ,now bit confused want to return and buy MacBook m4 pro with 14core , 48GB ram. here I am requesting you could please compare both version 🙏
It would have been interesting to include the 16" M4 Max to this and see if the price jump from the 14" Pro to the 16" Max is better justified than to the 16" Pro.
Could you please compare M1 Max with binned m4 pro MacBook Pro. Want to know where to upgrade from m1x and what the min price I can spend to still get an upgrade
I had my heart set for 14" MacBook Pro M4 Pro chip. I usually like 16" but considering $$$, I thought I should go with 14" this time. You made it clear that I should go with 14" Thanks for such a detailed review-!!!
I have a video about the fan noise (with audio recording): I pushed the CPU to 100% on my 14" M4 Pro MBP and it's "as bad" as my old 2019 Intel 16" MBP. But It's completely silent (fans are off!) for RUclips watching, screen recording or having an external monitor attached - 3 things that would spin my 2019 Intel MBP fans quite fast.
According to my research there is no need to upgrade to 96W, it shortens life span of your battery and you win only about 20-30 minutes top with faster charging. But if you know that you always gonna use it unplugged and therefore you need faster charge speed to minimise your plugged in time - then go with a 96W.
I wanna ask that should I go with A. MBP M4 PRO with Desktop (mac M4 mini) Or B. MBP M4 pro with ipad air Or C. Desktop (mac M4 pro mini) with ipad air Or D Ipad air with MBP M4 pro with desktop (mac M4 mini) A,B,C or D?? Please help me
Спасибо Вам за Ваши тесты. Очень помогают оценить картину в целом. Будет ли от Вас сравнение Mac mini m4 pro vs MacBook Pro 16 m4 pro. Очень интересно увидеть в реальных тестах разницу. Спасибо Вам🤗
@@MaxTechOfficial I just want to ask, if there is any difference in speed of SSD between 512GB and 1TB with M4 Pro. I want to buy 16" macbook pro with M4 Pro and 48GB and I do not know, if I have to pay for 1TB SSD.
I think it's awesome! Best implementation so far only the circular camera cutout is smooth. M4 iPad Pro was bad since the entire bezel all around was smooth.
@ thanks so much! Yeah, I noticed that… I guess I heard that nano texture could wear on a very thin screen, but I’m hoping that’s not an issue on the MacBook as I hope to have for many years :)
@@JustineCooksVegan I would go look at it in person if you can. I bought the standard display and when I went to pick it up in store looked at the nano and decided it wasn’t bad, but for me good enough.with standard.
m4 pro maxed out is enough on 14" (96w power is more than enough) , there are only 2 reason to burn 300 bucks ( 1st more quietness (fans are generally quite) , 2nd u want big speakers.
Is there a 14' M4 Max vs 16' M4 Max in the works guys? I'm planning on upgrading from my 14' M1 Pro MacBook Pro [out of RAM and Storage]. I'm not a huge fan of huge laptops [lol] because they're really not portable, but I don't want to spend so much money on the 14' without knowing if it can handle the M4 Max without going full F-15 Mode. Would really appreciate a detailed comparison!
There’s been a lot of talk from this channel and others about Not Getting the Max chip in the 14”. Your use case might be different. No disrespect intended
On the 14 inch model, when does the fan noise become audible? I remember how loud was my 2019 intel version and I was so happy when I switched to M1 pro and never heard the fans anymore.
Hi Vadim, I think it will be ideal for a video MacBook M4 Pro vs MacBook M1 Pro. The upgrade cadence is now like iPhone, where users will tend to upgrade every 3 or 4 years. So, having a comparison of these will help a lot of users to see if has benefits overall in performance and features. please 🙏. Thanks in advance
Thanks for the helpful content. Can you make a video on running Windows 11 with Parallels with the M4 Pro? I am wondering is I should upgrade the processor to have a smoother performance. Not sure if it matters or helps to have more CPU core?
@ I am deciding between getting the M4 Pro standard or to upgrade the from 12 core CPU with 16 GB RAM to 14 Core CPU with 24 GB RAM. Main concern is that I need to allocate CPUs to the VM for it to run with reasonable performance, while not affecting the Mac’s performance. If it’s perfectly fine with 12 core and 16GB RAM, I will save the $200.
@@vincent0607this is a tough one, my previous laptop M1 Pro 14” 16 gb ram was starting to show it’s age. My new M4 has 14/20 and 24 gb ram definitely seems faster. It’s not night and day, but noticeable. I think the ram will benefit you more than the additional cores, since it’s already very fast.
i have the m1 pro 14 inch which can also get pretty hot but seeing 104 degrees on this was quite shocking, as well as seeing the fan speeds max out at a much higher speed than on mine too by at least 1000rpm
i want a laptop where the fans will turn on as little as possible. would the 14" M4 be better than the 14" M4 Pro for me as it has more efficiency cores?
On heavy loads the pro will be quieter since the two fans need to do less work than the 1 fan on the standard m4. Really choose based on what you’re doing not fan noise.
I just ordered 14" with CPU upgraded (w/48 GB of ram) for heavy photo management and editing. It will ship to me next week. if I don't forget about this, I will update to you later that It has any thermal throttling or not.
What you all think about Apple M4 Pro chip with 14‑core CPU, 20‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine 48GB unified memory? Does it make a significant difference between the 2 you compare?
I would save the 200.00 and just get the memory. I don’t think the extra cores matter that much, at least looking at the video results max just published.
Can’t wait for a base 16 M4 max vs upgraded chip 16 M4 max video. Is the 36GB going to limit heavy multi-tasking? Would love to unheard your thoughts for “on device AI” usage in future years from extra GPU cores and RAM?
How is it possible that the battery of the 14" MacBook Pro, in previous tests, drops to 25% and 29% with the same tests? Maybe, the 16" MacBook Pro has to calibrate the battery?
the 16 hands down is the best, everything is just better on it, and no its not that heavy at all lol....having all this power on the go especially traveling is insane, another is being able to use this for multiple days sometimes without charging is nuts as well...
What is meant by ¨unbinned¨? I´m looking at the M3 Pro for video and photo editing (work) and daily web browsing as a main machine but will get monitors down the line. At first, I will only be using the machine with the screen. Trying to decide if the 16-inch is necessary.
I bought the mentioned 14” and returning it on Friday to upgrade to the 16”. 512 gb is not enough so I’ll be ordering a 2 TB nano texture display. I use an external monitor and my Vision Pro but still want the 16”
I'm going with M4 Max, 128GB unified memory and 14inch. This is my final laptop for a while. I like something small, compact and fast. I kind of hate my 16inch Intel MBP
@@avienxyz wow... glad i looked into this. i'm shocked. but i see m3 vids regarding this. should i go with 16inch if i am going to go with 128GB memory? or i don't need it. tbh i like the small stuff, easy to carry lol
@@HeyHammadAusafi I can’t make that decision for you, depends on your workload max gets you 1 more media engine ( mostly beneficial if you are professional video editor) + 2 performance cores+ 20 extra gpu cores ( mostly beneficial if you are running very heavy AI models) if you really need max would recommend 16 inch size that can cool everything properly but trade off is it’s heavy and bulky and not really portable, personally I have 14inch m4 pro 14c version with 24gb ram
We have to wait and watch , with software updates and optimizations and Mac OS updates , the 16 in battery performance and life will definitely improve , too early to decide, but as always great videos from Max Tech team , keep up the great work
My first comment to you was Apple screwed all the 16” screen users. Just sucked 800 bucks out your pocket. Glad you finally got around to a real review.
I still believed that the Base M4 model should be the best for over 90% of the users. the M4 Pro model indeed shrink the power gap between various Pro models and Max models across previous generations, however the base M4 model already is a great powerhouse sufficient for most people. And you get the same chassis, same QD-miniLED display upgrade, same sound quality, same I/O support and mostly important, MUCH MORE BATTERY LIFE with much lower amazing price!
Can we get a direct comparison spec to spec for a 14` vs 16` both with the M4 Pro (14CPU/20GPU) chips? Mostly interested in the temp diff and battery at the end of the tests.
14:19 Wait, wait, that battery performance .... You are comparing 46% (of 72.4kWh battery) to 48% (of 99.6kWh battery) like it was the same scale?! This means 14" used 54% of 72.4kWh = 39.1kWh for the same work where 16" used 52% of that 99.6kWh = 51.8kWh. 39.1kWh vs 51.8kWh, that is 12.7kWh difference. Seems like batteries would last very close, in time.
Yeah I don’t get that part. If it was 46% in the 14 inch what percentage would it have been if the unbinned was in the 14inch and measured at the same time? Maybe 35% roughly?
I believe there's a significant difference in performance between Capture One and Lightroom Classic. Why that would be the case I don't know but test results in a video by one of your peers showed it to be the case.
I feel like so many people didn’t even really pay attention to this review …. He is stating that the base 14 inch m4 pro in the standard configuration is a MUCH better buy and it is not worth upgrading the cores !
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I have been leaving this comment for years but I guess I’m never early enough to get noticed: Can we please upvote this so the guys at Max Tech see that the term “binned” doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the “cut down” version of a chip? To “bin” simply means “to sort”. Even golden samples, best of the best, 0-defect chips are “binned” - they are simply binned into a group of “perfect chips.” All chips are “binned” and the term doesn’t imply lesser performance. Intel’s “KS” and “extreme edition” chips, for example, are in fact, highly binned chips because they are relatively rare due to them exhibiting performance characteristics beyond the targeted goal.
Edit: because I value providing solutions as opposed to just criticizing and pointing out problems, my suggestion for Max Tech is please use the term "cut-down chip" instead of "binned chip".
(as always, for everything, don’t take my word for it - please verify this info yourself)
While your argument is good the internet sees it differently. It’s so much simpler to just say binned and unbinned. For technical people this is a misnomer, but for the average joe this makes sense.
14:19 brother, 48% vs 46% isn’t simply “2% more” when the former is a 100 Whr battery and the latter is a 72.4 Whr battery. That’s actually a substantial difference. Here’s what I mean: 46% of 72.4 Whr = 33.3 Whr but 48% of 100 Whr = 48 Whr. Thats 44% more.
Dang that is the way this needed looked at, this was comparing apples to oranges without normalizing the battery capacity. Good catch.
But what counts on the real world is the remaining battery time and not the Whr number. If one device has 46% and the other 48% it means that they have very similar time left running on battery.
@@felipebulhoes2016 yeah but he's comparing a smaller laptop to a much bigger one. so that's useful only if you're considering the M4 Pro 12/16core 14" and the base model 16". Considering the large difference in battery capacity, it should've been mentioned how much more efficient the 12/16core chip was compared to the 14/20core version. Otherwise people may draw the conclusion that they are equally efficient and be disappointed.
Bruh, whi cares? Apple just destroyed the competition
@@felipebulhoes2016not true, it depends on how fast that device drains the battery. My gaming laptop will go from 50% to 0 within an hour because of how power hungry it is
Make a M1. Pro vs M4 Pro comparison for video editing.
it is almost the same it is stupid buy new machine for 3 minutes faster render time
They would be almost no different from each other
M4 pro 14 CPU 20 GPU CAN BEAT M1 MAX ... ALMOST EQUAL IN RENDAR TIME AS WELL.. YES M1 MAX HAS 32 GPU BUT M4 20 GPU IS MORE EFFICIENT AND OPTIMISED..
At this point if you haven’t found that, you’re not looking hard enough. All these comparisons are is for video editing
append (please)
I am just now watching this on the 14 inch M4 pro with the exact specs. It's great. I threw in some resolve projects (RAW and LUTs), big Photoshop files, an Unreal Engine 5 project (with everything set to Medium) and it managed fine. No stutter, minimal fan noise. It's not meant to replace my PC workstation but a way to be mobile and "productive"... as I am right now... watching RUclips... on a train... on a MacBook.
Really disappointed with the 16” result. I went with the larger model since my older eyes need the bigger display. If they had a binned 16” I would definitely save the money, but they don’t offer that.
U can go with 15 inch air
Since I traded in an M1 Pro 14” it made less sense to get an m3 air, suppose I could have waited for the m4 air. But that ship has sailed.
He got a lemon. My M4 16” is quicker than that. And in Canada it’s a $49 difference to go from 14” to 16” if compared to the 14” 1TB model. For me there is no comparison the 16” is better in every way unless you’re buying for portability.
@@BiggspeedI ran cinebench and geekbench and get very similar scores.
Disappointed in your attitude. Apple just crushed the competition
That dent will cost me my sleep tonight
Yeh it was sad when it happened :(
@@MaxTechOfficial Oh no a accident how did it happen?
I'd only go with a 16” if I planned to use it for work. The size difference is massive for daily driving and is well worth the cost difference.
Yeah the 16” is huge, i mean that thing isn’t really meant to be carried around. I’d also be worried about damaging it, i had my mac air screen break on me and it’s a pain to get fixed
I carry around the 16” all the time. With the right backpack I find the 16” much more portable than the 13” MacBook Air because when I take the 16” I can actually complete my work with the larger screen whereas with the 13” Air the small screen size means so much more switching context and back and forth so I get less done. It feels weird to say that the 16 MBP is more portable than the 13 MBA but in realworld use I carry my 16 everywhere and the 13 stays at home so it can be plugged into external screens.
Wish my work would allow me to use my 16 instead of their 13 MBA.
@@richardmoore5371I have both a 16” MBP M1 Pro and a 13” MB Air M2. Picked up the later for travel…especially when I also bring a work machine…Lenovo 16” with me. Can travel with the 16” for sure…but dropping the weight is not to be negated.
@@seriessplayer62747 That is a big reason why I have doubts about an expensive Mac where the screen can crack way easier than a plastic Windows laptop screen.
Ergonomics for the 16 inch suffer compared to the 14 inch version when used on a desk as the keyboard is further from the front edge of the notebook. However, that defeciency can largely be corrected by angling the computer by 10-15 degrees with an appropriate wedge product.
Without an external screen at home, and if you use your laptop at work as many do, I prefer the 16 inch. I have a 16 inch M1 Pro and I'm glad I got the larger size. Now, with the M4 Pro, and a nano-textured display, the 16 inch is making me very tempted!
14 is for users who want a workstation & also portability
16 is for users who want a workstation & maximise the performance
I would love to see a video of the M4 Pro Unbinned in the 14" vs the 16". Basically keep everything else the same, just show us how much impact the different sizes truly has.
I doubt there would be any difference’s worthy of the time to test. The binned and un binned is disappointing as it is, not worth it for the 200.00 either way.
The video really doesn't make sense for comparison
If the chip isn't the same you're not differentiating the 14 & 16 you're just comparing 2 computers based on price
The 14 & 16 need to have the same configuration to make a comparison
@otwer22 @panmanafro @skeyechi what means unbinned please?
I have an M3 Pro 16” for work. I had an M1 Max 14” and now have a M4 Pro 14”. I thought I’d like the 16” more than I do, but honestly the portability of the 14” is totally worth it.
What’s up with the dent on the 14 inch? Is it more prone to denting?
have had an M1 Pro for 3 years, zero dents...
Only if you're a professional dentist.
I had the same worry
Yeh, saw it straight away in the back left of the 14". I've had no dents in my M1 MBP but certainly got a ding in my final Intel MBP when I had to put my personal bag into the cargo compartment on a small plane. Thought the M-chip cases were a bit more resilient.
What dent? Why am I not seeing any?
Which will give more performance m4 pro (12core CPU 16 core GPU)MacBook Pro OR Mac mini m4 pro (12core CPU 16 core GPU)
24gb 512 gb variant?
I think macbook pro have better cooling system otherwise they should perform almost same.
I went with the mini and no regrets
There might be a bigger difference between M4 Max 14 and 16 under extensive use since the M4 Pro chips are less powerfull and quite efficient in both chassis.
I’m curious what you guys do for backing up files in case of an internal or external drive failure. Many suggest not paying for internal storage and using external. That’s fine, but then are you backing up what’s stored on an external drive.. onto another external drive? Isn’t that super tedious? Do you plug both drives into the Mac at the same time and manually make 2 copies of everything? Or do most pay for cloud storage and use that as a backup to the external drive? Internal and external drives do fail.. so again, how are y’all backing up years worth of files?
I use a RAID, redundancy in one enclosure.
It would have been helpful of you let us hear the difference in fan noise on each machine, but thanks for the comparison. I'd love to know how the 24GB RAM in the M4 Pro compares to 32GB of older RAM in the M1 or M2 Pro.
I have a sound recording of the 14" M4 Pro fans (12 cores) on my channel.
Can you do a review of real world performance of m4pro 24gb vs 48gb?! Feels like historically a lot of the pro and max reviews were of higher mem machines which in things like Lightroom have a big impact.
Also an m1max vs m4pro review would be nice. Trying to decide on m4pro vs max with 48gb coming from a 64gb m1max.
Doesn't matter when Apple has destroyed the competition
@@maxweinbach3996 I don't see the relation.... Apple destroyed the competition for sure. The question now, for me, coming from M1MAX/64GB - will I (or can I) be happy with the M4PRO/48GB, giving me better battery life for non-compute intensive tasks (80% of my day to day), or will I get bummed, for the 20% that I do need compute intensive tasks (mostly photo and video editing), that I didn't get up the M4MAX.
Was strongly considering a 14 inch m4 Pro with nano texture and 2tb unbinned. Probably keeping my 16” m4 max glossy unbinned though
After watching this video, I feel like it makes more sense to go with the binned chip version of the Mac Mini instead of the full chip.
What mean by binned? Cant be overclocked?
@@ADHDOCDbinned version has 2 less performance cores in comparison to unbinned version. Actually these 2 cores are physically present on the chip, but they have been disabled as some of them can be defective (during manufacturing process). However as long as they are disabled they don’t affect stability of whole M4 Pro chip. There is no possibility to enable them.
I think upgrading from binned to unbinned M4 Pro is a very poor value.
Buy binned Pro or un binned Max.
So what do you think in the 14inch should I get the 12-core or 14-core? What would be the battery life difference between them as in this video the 16inch has a larger battery so not sure what the battery difference is if it’s at 46% vs 48% what would it have been if it was in a 14inch?
Your wasting everyone’s time here, you already have a 12/16 and are trying to decide to return to get the 14/20.
I‘ve had enough of video-editing benchmarks. Why doesn’t anyone try machine learning on these devices, so we can see how size of shared memory, and the GPU counts affect learning speed?
Agree. In one of previous vids i did comment about ollama for ai which is just few clicks to run so no big deal even for people who are not into it.
Keep an eye out for Alex Ziskind's videos.
Here is the initial review with a small part about Machine Learning: ruclips.net/video/ZhmBG67nSDM/видео.htmlsi=Lg6Da_0E1FY1jnrZ
He also recently ran a large LLM on a cluster of MacBooks...
Alex Ziskand is your guy
I'll be making a video about that (on a 14" M4 Pro MBP with 48 GB of memory). Which model do you have in mind? And are you more interested in speed or model size?
The dent in MBP 14" breaks my heart :D
Should I buy the MacBook Pro with 14” M4 Pro 24GB 512GB or the M4 Max 16” 32GB RAM 1TB? I also have 200GB iCloud for files too. I need it for beginners photo and video editing, programming, web browsing, watching RUclips videos, listening to music and podcasts with high quality audio interface and headphones amp. Maybe taking to university and cafes sometimes too.
The smaller one, it will be easier to carry and do everything no problem. 16" is overkill for your workload.
@ Ok, thanks!
And also, should I buy M2 iPad Air and Mac mini M4 or only M4 pro MacBook Pro 14” with maybe iPad mini 7? Which combo would you choose for both Mac and iPad setup for both university and desk use if I am not sure I will take out the Mac but the iPad maybe will take it out too?
The choice is easy.
If you use a monitor go with 14 inch.
If you just use the MacBook itself go with 16 inch.
And if you travel?
@@raiiiargo with the “16 still. There’s no monitors in a hotel room.
I have a monitor and still love my 16"
Whenever I move elsewhere, family house, sofa, bed, office - having that 16" screen is a bliss.
@@Skaratak me too. 24” 4K At the desk.
💳 received 16. its insanely fast. after my Air 13 M1. but I was not ready for the size. this thing is HUGE.
Are you going to take it with you and carry it in your backpack/bag? it will be interesting to find out how uncomfortable it will become (I have 15" m3 and it's a pretty light thing)
@@KirillTr I would be glad to buy 15" m4 24gb instead, but don't want to wait 6 months.
I just checked for you, 16" fits perfectly all my backpacks. I think the size is about a standard office windows 15" laptop.
My only discomfort is to carry it one hand between rooms and floors in my house. m1 13" was a weightless.
The video does not really show how much better the sound of the speakers in on the 16" (you need to hear it yourself). I can do video calls with the 16" all the day without headset - but it's really no fun at all with a 14" (sound quality and fan noise - I'm running some performance hungry apps during the day)
Do you recommend 12-core pro or the 14-core pro if I keep the laptop for 7 years?
The video show very little benefit, spend your money on more ram.
If you virtualize the noncut version
@@otwer22 Agreed. I went for the 12-cord 14" version with 48 GB of RAM.
I alrreday bought macbook m4 pro max 14 in model with 14 core CPU,36 GB . my work mostly memroey intensive ,now bit confused want to return and buy MacBook m4 pro with 14core , 48GB ram. here I am requesting you could please compare both version 🙏
It would have been interesting to include the 16" M4 Max to this and see if the price jump from the 14" Pro to the 16" Max is better justified than to the 16" Pro.
Could you please compare M1 Max with binned m4 pro MacBook Pro.
Want to know where to upgrade from m1x and what the min price I can spend to still get an upgrade
How loud are the 14” & 16” M4 models by comparison to the M3 models
Strange results, could it be a bug in 16" CPU/power management?
Will the mac mini 12 vs 14 pro cores be the exact same results?
I had my heart set for 14" MacBook Pro M4 Pro chip. I usually like 16" but considering $$$, I thought I should go with 14" this time. You made it clear that I should go with 14" Thanks for such a detailed review-!!!
I have a video about the fan noise (with audio recording): I pushed the CPU to 100% on my 14" M4 Pro MBP and it's "as bad" as my old 2019 Intel 16" MBP. But It's completely silent (fans are off!) for RUclips watching, screen recording or having an external monitor attached - 3 things that would spin my 2019 Intel MBP fans quite fast.
Did you find any reasons why you can't select more than 36GB of ram with the 14-core M4 Max chip configuration?
What the heck did you do to that 14 inch? dented the f out of it
Also saw this lol
Does the 14" M4 Pro, priced at $1999, recommend upgrading the charger from 70W to 96W?
According to my research there is no need to upgrade to 96W, it shortens life span of your battery and you win only about 20-30 minutes top with faster charging. But if you know that you always gonna use it unplugged and therefore you need faster charge speed to minimise your plugged in time - then go with a 96W.
WHEN YOU UPGRADE YOUR CHIP IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY UPGRADE TO 96W ...
I wanna ask that should I go with
A. MBP M4 PRO with Desktop (mac M4 mini)
Or
B. MBP M4 pro with ipad air
Or
C. Desktop (mac M4 pro mini) with ipad air
Or
D Ipad air with MBP M4 pro with desktop (mac M4 mini)
A,B,C or D?? Please help me
What do you want to accomplish with the machine? Do you need portable? We need details to help you.
@otwer22 yep I want portable for my office but I can also do it with home in desktop
@@rukhsanaperween3466 o would choose a since since this gives you the most versatility.
B
M3 Max vs M4 Pro, to decide more GPU power for games, or M4 is still good?
M3 Max more powerful
Спасибо Вам за Ваши тесты. Очень помогают оценить картину в целом. Будет ли от Вас сравнение Mac mini m4 pro vs MacBook Pro 16 m4 pro. Очень интересно увидеть в реальных тестах разницу. Спасибо Вам🤗
conclusion seems clear, a binned version is a better value for money deal, shame 16' doesn't have a binned version option
For sure or better performance something that makes it seem like we are getting our moneys worth.
What about SSD speed? Is there any difference between 512 GB and 1 TB in a 16" Macbook Pro with M4 Pro?
No same speeds if the capacity is the same.
@@MaxTechOfficial I just want to ask, if there is any difference in speed of SSD between 512GB and 1TB with M4 Pro. I want to buy 16" macbook pro with M4 Pro and 48GB and I do not know, if I have to pay for 1TB SSD.
Thoughts on nano texture Max? I’m wondering if it will wear over time and worth getting on 14 in?
I think it's awesome! Best implementation so far
only the circular camera cutout is smooth. M4 iPad Pro was bad since the entire bezel all around was smooth.
@ thanks so much! Yeah, I noticed that… I guess I heard that nano texture could wear on a very thin screen, but I’m hoping that’s not an issue on the MacBook as I hope to have for many years :)
@@JustineCooksVegan I would go look at it in person if you can. I bought the standard display and when I went to pick it up in store looked at the nano and decided it wasn’t bad, but for me good enough.with standard.
@@otwer22 thanks! I did but it was hard to compare in a very bright room with a skylight lol so of course the nano seemed very appealing :)
Thank you, been holding off on what Pro model to get for Black Friday (hopefully they offer some Apple vouchers or something, for a purchase)
So what is "binned" exactly?
m4 pro maxed out is enough on 14" (96w power is more than enough) , there are only 2 reason to burn 300 bucks ( 1st more quietness (fans are generally quite) , 2nd u want big speakers.
3rd you want bigger display. (Most imp reason)
3rd: you want a bigger screen.
Is there a 14' M4 Max vs 16' M4 Max in the works guys?
I'm planning on upgrading from my 14' M1 Pro MacBook Pro [out of RAM and Storage].
I'm not a huge fan of huge laptops [lol] because they're really not portable, but I don't want to spend so much money on the 14' without knowing if it can handle the M4 Max without going full F-15 Mode.
Would really appreciate a detailed comparison!
There’s been a lot of talk from this channel and others about Not Getting the Max chip in the 14”. Your use case might be different.
No disrespect intended
On the 14 inch model, when does the fan noise become audible? I remember how loud was my 2019 intel version and I was so happy when I switched to M1 pro and never heard the fans anymore.
Really like your comparison. Amazing. Can you compare m1 pro vs m2 pro vs m3 pro vs m4 pro?
Thank you a lot, what about logic Pro X?
Useful comparison and much needed too. Thanks!
Hi Vadim, I think it will be ideal for a video MacBook M4 Pro vs MacBook M1 Pro. The upgrade cadence is now like iPhone, where users will tend to upgrade every 3 or 4 years. So, having a comparison of these will help a lot of users to see if has benefits overall in performance and features. please 🙏. Thanks in advance
Both over 100 degree celcius? U sure u didnt burn the table and laptop?
Internal temperature probably, the surface temperature (outside temperature) doesn't usually go past 40 degrees celsius
Makes perfect sense but I prefer the 14" size due to travel, so I'm one of those rebels buying the 14" M4 Max.
Ouch. Hope you like the extra heat. Everyone is saying the the Max chip in the 14” model is too much for a small chassis.
Dented 14" vs undented 16". What's your choice?
Please make a comparison MacBook Pro 14 M3 Pro 36 ram vs
MacBook Pro 14 M4 32 ram vs
MacBook Pro 14 M4 Pro 24 ram
Thanks for the helpful content. Can you make a video on running Windows 11 with Parallels with the M4 Pro? I am wondering is I should upgrade the processor to have a smoother performance. Not sure if it matters or helps to have more CPU core?
What do you want to see or know? I run parallels on my machine.
@ I am deciding between getting the M4 Pro standard or to upgrade the from 12 core CPU with 16 GB RAM to 14 Core CPU with 24 GB RAM. Main concern is that I need to allocate CPUs to the VM for it to run with reasonable performance, while not affecting the Mac’s performance. If it’s perfectly fine with 12 core and 16GB RAM, I will save the $200.
@@vincent0607this is a tough one, my previous laptop M1 Pro 14” 16 gb ram was starting to show it’s age. My new M4 has 14/20 and 24 gb ram definitely seems faster. It’s not night and day, but noticeable. I think the ram will benefit you more than the additional cores, since it’s already very fast.
Maybe it will come down to longer projects and exports. That better thermal architecture should help in the long run.
Please, which app you guys use to display the CPU and GPU use at the top bar? Thanks
TG Pro and iStat Menus
@@MaxTechOfficial Thank you so much. Cheers
@@MaxTechOfficialthanks for confirming, it looked like those apps
What's the cpu monitoring software that looks exactly like Intel Power Gadget, but obviously isn't?
Really unimpressed with all the M4 machines for video editing. Keeping my M1 Pro for longer.
Awesome!!!! Stoked on my choice and so happy to have it validated by you guys! The comparison I was waiting for. Thank you!
Is there already a dent on the 14" top?
May I know what is the plugin that can show the % usage of CPU & GPU?
Can you make a M1 pro vs M2 pro vs M3 pro vs M4 Pro? Like you made on the M4 Max?
i have the m1 pro 14 inch which can also get pretty hot but seeing 104 degrees on this was quite shocking, as well as seeing the fan speeds max out at a much higher speed than on mine too by at least 1000rpm
That was an amazing test! This result will be a huge help in deciding which version of the MacBook to choose.
The m4 pro with the additional cores with the $200 upgrade is worth it instead of going straight for 16 inch.
It’s not
That’s what you took from the video, watch it again cause that’s not the case.
@ not at all. I do heavy editing and coding and for me the small upgrade works. I’m satisfied with it. If you don’t feel the same good for you
The 14 inch is sufficient for most uses and is significantly lighter - this is the choice for me
i want a laptop where the fans will turn on as little as possible.
would the 14" M4 be better than the 14" M4 Pro for me as it has more efficiency cores?
Also the M4 only has one fan compared to two on the Pro model.
On heavy loads the pro will be quieter since the two fans need to do less work than the 1 fan on the standard m4. Really choose based on what you’re doing not fan noise.
@ but in basic tasks , where the fan won’t spin at all, which will run cooler
@@beace4436the standard m4
@@beace4436basic tasks like web browsing, word docs, spreadsheets, RUclips videos they (all) will be silent.
I wish someone would compare 16 core in 16" to 14" so we can see any thermal throttling or performance differences over long workloads
I just ordered 14" with CPU upgraded (w/48 GB of ram) for heavy photo management and editing. It will ship to me next week. if I don't forget about this, I will update to you later that It has any thermal throttling or not.
I believe you’re using the term binned in reverse. Binned is usually used for the better, not the normal chip.
What you all think about Apple M4 Pro chip with 14‑core CPU, 20‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine
48GB unified memory? Does it make a significant difference between the 2 you compare?
I would save the 200.00 and just get the memory. I don’t think the extra cores matter that much, at least looking at the video results max just published.
What about Logic Pro, Cubase, Ableton, Pro Tools performance?? Music makers need to know.
Can’t wait for a base 16 M4 max vs upgraded chip 16 M4 max video. Is the 36GB going to limit heavy multi-tasking?
Would love to unheard your thoughts for “on device AI” usage in future years from extra GPU cores and RAM?
Can you do the same comparison with the 16core CPU M4 Max?
Please make a video comparing 14 pro and 14 max. Thanks.
You’re not going to want a 14” max they will throttle big time.
How is it possible that the battery of the 14" MacBook Pro, in previous tests, drops to 25% and 29% with the same tests?
Maybe, the 16" MacBook Pro has to calibrate the battery?
the 16 hands down is the best, everything is just better on it, and no its not that heavy at all lol....having all this power on the go especially traveling is insane, another is being able to use this for multiple days sometimes without charging is nuts as well...
What is meant by ¨unbinned¨? I´m looking at the M3 Pro for video and photo editing (work) and daily web browsing as a main machine but will get monitors down the line. At first, I will only be using the machine with the screen. Trying to decide if the 16-inch is necessary.
Have you noticed any difference with new quantum dot panels on the M4 Macbook Pros against the previous versions with normal lcd?
I bought the mentioned 14” and returning it on Friday to upgrade to the 16”. 512 gb is not enough so I’ll be ordering a 2 TB nano texture display.
I use an external monitor and my Vision Pro but still want the 16”
could we have pro 48gb ram vs max 48gb ram test? 🙏
Wish you did the Logic Pro comparison…. The P cores will make a difference in extra headroom…
OMG, his 14” M4 Pro MBP already has a dent in the corner of the lid. Strip him of his Apple Fan Club Card!
I'm going with M4 Max, 128GB unified memory and 14inch. This is my final laptop for a while. I like something small, compact and fast. I kind of hate my 16inch Intel MBP
Check videos for this, the max will throttle.
waste dont get max in 14 inch it will throttle so much that max benefits will go away. m4 pro 14c is more than enough
@@avienxyz i just like the fact is small/compact - haha. i'll consider the m4 pro.
@@avienxyz wow... glad i looked into this. i'm shocked. but i see m3 vids regarding this. should i go with 16inch if i am going to go with 128GB memory? or i don't need it. tbh i like the small stuff, easy to carry lol
@@HeyHammadAusafi I can’t make that decision for you, depends on your workload max gets you 1 more media engine ( mostly beneficial if you are professional video editor) + 2 performance cores+ 20 extra gpu cores ( mostly beneficial if you are running very heavy AI models) if you really need max would recommend 16 inch size that can cool everything properly but trade off is it’s heavy and bulky and not really portable, personally I have 14inch m4 pro 14c version with 24gb ram
We have to wait and watch , with software updates and optimizations and Mac OS updates , the 16 in battery performance and life will definitely improve , too early to decide, but as always great videos from Max Tech team , keep up the great work
Logic Pro performance difference?
I have a M4 Pro 16” but it doesn’t show me the power modes when I click on the battery, how can I change it?
My first comment to you was Apple screwed all the 16” screen users. Just sucked 800 bucks out your pocket. Glad you finally got around to a real review.
Thanks. Exact this question I had. Ich spend the money to the Nano- Display, not in the 14 Core-Modell.
I still believed that the Base M4 model should be the best for over 90% of the users. the M4 Pro model indeed shrink the power gap between various Pro models and Max models across previous generations, however the base M4 model already is a great powerhouse sufficient for most people. And you get the same chassis, same QD-miniLED display upgrade, same sound quality, same I/O support and mostly important, MUCH MORE BATTERY LIFE with much lower amazing price!
Can we get a direct comparison spec to spec for a 14` vs 16` both with the M4 Pro (14CPU/20GPU) chips?
Mostly interested in the temp diff and battery at the end of the tests.
14:19 Wait, wait, that battery performance ....
You are comparing 46% (of 72.4kWh battery) to 48% (of 99.6kWh battery) like it was the same scale?!
This means 14" used 54% of 72.4kWh = 39.1kWh for the same work where 16" used 52% of that 99.6kWh = 51.8kWh.
39.1kWh vs 51.8kWh, that is 12.7kWh difference. Seems like batteries would last very close, in time.
Yeah I don’t get that part. If it was 46% in the 14 inch what percentage would it have been if the unbinned was in the 14inch and measured at the same time? Maybe 35% roughly?
What do you mean in time? , it’s still a big difference
Really surprised there isn't more of a performance delta. It seems if you were comparing the same spec CPU and GPU, they'd be near identical.
I believe there's a significant difference in performance between Capture One and Lightroom Classic. Why that would be the case I don't know but test results in a video by one of your peers showed it to be the case.
Thank you for making this video! It looks like I can save some money this year.
I feel like so many people didn’t even really pay attention to this review …. He is stating that the base 14 inch m4 pro in the standard configuration is a MUCH better buy and it is not worth upgrading the cores !