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I have been leaving this comment for years but I guess I’m never early enough to get noticed: Can we please upvote this so the guys at Max Tech see that the term “binned” doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the “cut down” version of a chip? To “bin” simply means “to sort”. Even golden samples, best of the best, 0-defect chips are “binned” - they are simply binned into a group of “perfect chips.” All chips are “binned” and the term doesn’t imply lesser performance. Intel’s “KS” and “extreme edition” chips, for example, are in fact, highly binned chips because they are relatively rare due to them exhibiting performance characteristics beyond the targeted goal. Edit: because I value providing solutions as opposed to just criticizing and pointing out problems, my suggestion for Max Tech is please use the term "cut-down chip" instead of "binned chip". (as always, for everything, don’t take my word for it - please verify this info yourself)
While your argument is good the internet sees it differently. It’s so much simpler to just say binned and unbinned. For technical people this is a misnomer, but for the average joe this makes sense.
This is very pedantic. A full chip is indeed "binned" as you say. You aren't wrong. But people have colloquially used "binned" for chips that are not full die for years. You often here "Its the full GK104 die" or "Its a binned down version of the GK104 die". I suppose they usually use "binned down" instead of "binned", but its not a big deal.
@@christopherpilch6688 I like the term "binned down." I also like the term "top bin". Because those terms inform the reader of whether it's an exceptionally good or poor performer. My gripe when saying "binned chip" is I can't tell (without additional contextual clues) whether it's an exceptionally good or poor performing sample of a chip. I don't have a problem with slang in general. What I have an issue with is when it creates ambiguity. The problem this creates is many young people who first get their feet wet in tech through the "window" of Apple products (pun intended), when expanding beyond the Apple garden, will be confused by the incorrect understanding they've developed of "binning." Outside of the Apple world, a highly binned chip can be something that is extremely desirable and sought after. I personally know of numerous people IRL who have come to the misunderstanding that a binned chip is ALWAYS a less performing, or less desirable chip.
14:19 brother, 48% vs 46% isn’t simply “2% more” when the former is a 100 Whr battery and the latter is a 72.4 Whr battery. That’s actually a substantial difference. Here’s what I mean: 46% of 72.4 Whr = 33.3 Whr but 48% of 100 Whr = 48 Whr. Thats 44% more.
But what counts on the real world is the remaining battery time and not the Whr number. If one device has 46% and the other 48% it means that they have very similar time left running on battery.
@@felipebulhoes2016 yeah but he's comparing a smaller laptop to a much bigger one. so that's useful only if you're considering the M4 Pro 12/16core 14" and the base model 16". Considering the large difference in battery capacity, it should've been mentioned how much more efficient the 12/16core chip was compared to the 14/20core version. Otherwise people may draw the conclusion that they are equally efficient and be disappointed.
@@felipebulhoes2016not true, it depends on how fast that device drains the battery. My gaming laptop will go from 50% to 0 within an hour because of how power hungry it is
Many people are eager to see a comparison between the 14-inch 12-core and 14-core models. Creating such content could attract a significant number of views and provide valuable information to others. Currently, no video is available for this comparison.
Thanks for making these vids. It would be really good to see the 12 core vs. 14 core both in 14” variants go up against each other. Would get a way better understanding of performance vs. efficiency, as well as thermal and noise profiles. You can’t really just linearly extrapolate these metrics to compare, so not really that accurate a comparison. I think a lot of people are tossing up between these two 14” options - I know I am - and I think it would be great to see these go head to head
Really disappointed with the 16” result. I went with the larger model since my older eyes need the bigger display. If they had a binned 16” I would definitely save the money, but they don’t offer that.
He got a lemon. My M4 16” is quicker than that. And in Canada it’s a $49 difference to go from 14” to 16” if compared to the 14” 1TB model. For me there is no comparison the 16” is better in every way unless you’re buying for portability.
I just recently exchanged the 14” m4 pro MacBook Pro for the 16” m4 pro MacBook Pro. Best decision. The screen size is far more important than the portability that the 14” provided and nicer and louder speaker and runs quieter when doing extensive work. I didn’t really feel the difference in weight to be honest but the foot print is definitely bigger which I want.
@ yes, I am a software engineer. I have often late night coding sessions for work for major projects and when I get tired sitting at the desk I like to be untethered away from my desk. These times I am thankful for having a larger 16” display that I can work for additional 1-3 hours straight and comfortably. 14” would be too small for this comfort level coding for this long. Also I noticed the 16” isn’t that much more heavier where I don’t notice much at all.
Thanks for sharing! I want to get the 16", but after watching this video I felt a bit drawn to the 14". I currently have the 13" and just had to return my 16" M1 Max work-laptop back after using it for 3 months. Your comment helps, as I also value size, sound and the comfort of being able to sit for hours.
It would have been interesting to include the 16" M4 Max to this and see if the price jump from the 14" Pro to the 16" Max is better justified than to the 16" Pro.
The video does not really show how much better the sound of the speakers in on the 16" (you need to hear it yourself). I can do video calls with the 16" all the day without headset - but it's really no fun at all with a 14" (sound quality and fan noise - I'm running some performance hungry apps during the day)
I have an M3 Pro 16” for work. I had an M1 Max 14” and now have a M4 Pro 14”. I thought I’d like the 16” more than I do, but honestly the portability of the 14” is totally worth it.
I am just now watching this on the 14 inch M4 pro with the exact specs. It's great. I threw in some resolve projects (RAW and LUTs), big Photoshop files, an Unreal Engine 5 project (with everything set to Medium) and it managed fine. No stutter, minimal fan noise. It's not meant to replace my PC workstation but a way to be mobile and "productive"... as I am right now... watching RUclips... on a train... on a MacBook.
The size, cooler temps, and quieter operation easily justifies the extra $500 of the 16" regardless of performance so best to choose based on portability of your use case. If its just sitting on my desk 16" all day but if I have to travel, take it home every day, or want to work in a coffee shop I'll go 14".
16" M4 Max here. A remarkable machine, but a significant challenge for non-touch typists. The key gaps are now black, even on the silver model-a true nightmare for those who rely on visual aiming when typing.
If you’re a dude who is getting a Mac and will also want to use it for gaming a 16” may be a better option. I’ve heard the 14” gets heat throttled with high intensive longer tasks and can bottleneck performance. All the big promoted RUclipsrs only report on video rendering and running quick benchmarks
@ for some users specifically who need a Mac for school or work and also wish to be able to also use it for gaming. If gaming is a primary concern there are much better options of course
Without an external screen at home, and if you use your laptop at work as many do, I prefer the 16 inch. I have a 16 inch M1 Pro and I'm glad I got the larger size. Now, with the M4 Pro, and a nano-textured display, the 16 inch is making me very tempted!
Yeah the 16” is huge, i mean that thing isn’t really meant to be carried around. I’d also be worried about damaging it, i had my mac air screen break on me and it’s a pain to get fixed
I carry around the 16” all the time. With the right backpack I find the 16” much more portable than the 13” MacBook Air because when I take the 16” I can actually complete my work with the larger screen whereas with the 13” Air the small screen size means so much more switching context and back and forth so I get less done. It feels weird to say that the 16 MBP is more portable than the 13 MBA but in realworld use I carry my 16 everywhere and the 13 stays at home so it can be plugged into external screens. Wish my work would allow me to use my 16 instead of their 13 MBA.
@@richardmoore5371I have both a 16” MBP M1 Pro and a 13” MB Air M2. Picked up the later for travel…especially when I also bring a work machine…Lenovo 16” with me. Can travel with the 16” for sure…but dropping the weight is not to be negated.
@@seriessplayer62747 That is a big reason why I have doubts about an expensive Mac where the screen can crack way easier than a plastic Windows laptop screen.
Ergonomics for the 16 inch suffer compared to the 14 inch version when used on a desk as the keyboard is further from the front edge of the notebook. However, that defeciency can largely be corrected by angling the computer by 10-15 degrees with an appropriate wedge product.
There might be a bigger difference between M4 Max 14 and 16 under extensive use since the M4 Pro chips are less powerfull and quite efficient in both chassis.
@@ADHDOCDbinned version has 2 less performance cores in comparison to unbinned version. Actually these 2 cores are physically present on the chip, but they have been disabled as some of them can be defective (during manufacturing process). However as long as they are disabled they don’t affect stability of whole M4 Pro chip. There is no possibility to enable them.
I would love to see a video of the M4 Pro Unbinned in the 14" vs the 16". Basically keep everything else the same, just show us how much impact the different sizes truly has.
I doubt there would be any difference’s worthy of the time to test. The binned and un binned is disappointing as it is, not worth it for the 200.00 either way.
The video really doesn't make sense for comparison If the chip isn't the same you're not differentiating the 14 & 16 you're just comparing 2 computers based on price The 14 & 16 need to have the same configuration to make a comparison
People are not buying the 16” m4 pro base model for more performance vs a 14” m4 pro base model. They want the 16” for the bigger beautiful screen to get work done and the superior speakers. I exchanged the 14” for the 16” and while 14” felt very well balanced and portable I just wanted a bigger screen for coding. I couldn’t do more than 30 min coding sessions on the tiny 14” screen when I want to be away from the desk. The 16” I can take it anywhere and work for hours on it and tbh it’s not that much heavier as the 14” is still a chunky laptop.
I feel like so many people didn’t even really pay attention to this review …. He is stating that the base 14 inch m4 pro in the standard configuration is a MUCH better buy and it is not worth upgrading the cores !
Honestly, i think the performance is not the main reason ppl go with the 16inch base model. I just want wider field of view 😮 my old eyes get so soar looking at small screens…
Yeh, saw it straight away in the back left of the 14". I've had no dents in my M1 MBP but certainly got a ding in my final Intel MBP when I had to put my personal bag into the cargo compartment on a small plane. Thought the M-chip cases were a bit more resilient.
Can you do a review of real world performance of m4pro 24gb vs 48gb?! Feels like historically a lot of the pro and max reviews were of higher mem machines which in things like Lightroom have a big impact. Also an m1max vs m4pro review would be nice. Trying to decide on m4pro vs max with 48gb coming from a 64gb m1max.
@@maxweinbach3996 I don't see the relation.... Apple destroyed the competition for sure. The question now, for me, coming from M1MAX/64GB - will I (or can I) be happy with the M4PRO/48GB, giving me better battery life for non-compute intensive tasks (80% of my day to day), or will I get bummed, for the 20% that I do need compute intensive tasks (mostly photo and video editing), that I didn't get up the M4MAX.
It would have been helpful of you let us hear the difference in fan noise on each machine, but thanks for the comparison. I'd love to know how the 24GB RAM in the M4 Pro compares to 32GB of older RAM in the M1 or M2 Pro.
I‘ve had enough of video-editing benchmarks. Why doesn’t anyone try machine learning on these devices, so we can see how size of shared memory, and the GPU counts affect learning speed?
I'll be making a video about that (on a 14" M4 Pro MBP with 48 GB of memory). Which model do you have in mind? And are you more interested in speed or model size?
14:19 Wait, wait, that battery performance .... You are comparing 46% (of 72.4kWh battery) to 48% (of 99.6kWh battery) like it was the same scale?! This means 14" used 54% of 72.4kWh = 39.1kWh for the same work where 16" used 52% of that 99.6kWh = 51.8kWh. 39.1kWh vs 51.8kWh, that is 12.7kWh difference. Seems like batteries would last very close, in time.
Yeah I don’t get that part. If it was 46% in the 14 inch what percentage would it have been if the unbinned was in the 14inch and measured at the same time? Maybe 35% roughly?
I just got a refund from best buy, 14” 14 core with 1TB dropped to $2099, a steal if you ask me. I “downgraded” from an M1 Pro 16”, the portability triumphed the larger screen and better battery, what good is a larger battery if you’re not going to take it with you because of the size?
I have a video about the fan noise (with audio recording): I pushed the CPU to 100% on my 14" M4 Pro MBP and it's "as bad" as my old 2019 Intel 16" MBP. But It's completely silent (fans are off!) for RUclips watching, screen recording or having an external monitor attached - 3 things that would spin my 2019 Intel MBP fans quite fast.
the 16 hands down is the best, everything is just better on it, and no its not that heavy at all lol....having all this power on the go especially traveling is insane, another is being able to use this for multiple days sometimes without charging is nuts as well...
I’m curious what you guys do for backing up files in case of an internal or external drive failure. Many suggest not paying for internal storage and using external. That’s fine, but then are you backing up what’s stored on an external drive.. onto another external drive? Isn’t that super tedious? Do you plug both drives into the Mac at the same time and manually make 2 copies of everything? Or do most pay for cloud storage and use that as a backup to the external drive? Internal and external drives do fail.. so again, how are y’all backing up years worth of files?
I just ordered 14" with CPU upgraded (w/48 GB of ram) for heavy photo management and editing. It will ship to me next week. if I don't forget about this, I will update to you later that It has any thermal throttling or not.
I had my heart set for 14" MacBook Pro M4 Pro chip. I usually like 16" but considering $$$, I thought I should go with 14" this time. You made it clear that I should go with 14" Thanks for such a detailed review-!!!
Are you going to take it with you and carry it in your backpack/bag? it will be interesting to find out how uncomfortable it will become (I have 15" m3 and it's a pretty light thing)
@@KirillTr I would be glad to buy 15" m4 24gb instead, but don't want to wait 6 months. I just checked for you, 16" fits perfectly all my backpacks. I think the size is about a standard office windows 15" laptop. My only discomfort is to carry it one hand between rooms and floors in my house. m1 13" was a weightless.
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Iv owned the m4 pro version. Sold it and paid the extra for the m4 max version. Absolutely no noticeable difference in everyday activity and most other tasks. yes you'll save 30/60 seconds when carrying out very intensive tasks. is this worth the extra cash. ABSOLUTELY NOT . Huge lesson learnt for me. It'll not happen again. Its like driving at 150 mph or 170 mph its literally not a big deal the extra raw power
Between the Mac Mini M4 Pro and the 14 inch MacBook Pro with M4 Pro, which one's fans get louder and which one Thermo throttles the most. Do you guys have an answer on this?
On the 14 inch model, when does the fan noise become audible? I remember how loud was my 2019 intel version and I was so happy when I switched to M1 pro and never heard the fans anymore.
I alrreday bought macbook m4 pro max 14 in model with 14 core CPU,36 GB . my work mostly memroey intensive ,now bit confused want to return and buy MacBook m4 pro with 14core , 48GB ram. here I am requesting you could please compare both version 🙏
Could you please compare M1 Max with binned m4 pro MacBook Pro. Want to know where to upgrade from m1x and what the min price I can spend to still get an upgrade
i have the m1 pro 14 inch which can also get pretty hot but seeing 104 degrees on this was quite shocking, as well as seeing the fan speeds max out at a much higher speed than on mine too by at least 1000rpm
seems like 14in M4 Pro 12/16 is the way to go, trying to decide whether to get this spec with 48GB RAM/1TB SSD, or 24GB RAM/1TB SSD. is double the RAM really worth $360?
How is it possible that the battery of the 14" MacBook Pro, in previous tests, drops to 25% and 29% with the same tests? Maybe, the 16" MacBook Pro has to calibrate the battery?
So what do you think in the 14inch should I get the 12-core or 14-core? What would be the battery life difference between them as in this video the 16inch has a larger battery so not sure what the battery difference is if it’s at 46% vs 48% what would it have been if it was in a 14inch?
I still believed that the Base M4 model should be the best for over 90% of the users. the M4 Pro model indeed shrink the power gap between various Pro models and Max models across previous generations, however the base M4 model already is a great powerhouse sufficient for most people. And you get the same chassis, same QD-miniLED display upgrade, same sound quality, same I/O support and mostly important, MUCH MORE BATTERY LIFE with much lower amazing price!
I wanna ask that should I go with A. MBP M4 PRO with Desktop (mac M4 mini) Or B. MBP M4 pro with ipad air Or C. Desktop (mac M4 pro mini) with ipad air Or D Ipad air with MBP M4 pro with desktop (mac M4 mini) A,B,C or D?? Please help me
i want a laptop where the fans will turn on as little as possible. would the 14" M4 be better than the 14" M4 Pro for me as it has more efficiency cores?
On heavy loads the pro will be quieter since the two fans need to do less work than the 1 fan on the standard m4. Really choose based on what you’re doing not fan noise.
I just purchased the M4 14 inch & was seriously wondering if I made a Mistake. Thanks for this video as I'm happy with my choice now hahaha. ... Good Job.
@@MaxTechOfficialgot it! I thought the main reason of the video was to compare performances differences due it’s sizes manly. Thanks man and great videos! Ps: Wonder if there will be a comparison with a 14 and 16 equal configs to check what’s the real difference only caused by the sizes and not hardware. Re: Throttling due to small size?
According to my research there is no need to upgrade to 96W, it shortens life span of your battery and you win only about 20-30 minutes top with faster charging. But if you know that you always gonna use it unplugged and therefore you need faster charge speed to minimise your plugged in time - then go with a 96W.
Should I buy the MacBook Pro with 14” M4 Pro 24GB 512GB or the M4 Max 16” 32GB RAM 1TB? I also have 200GB iCloud for files too. I need it for beginners photo and video editing, programming, web browsing, watching RUclips videos, listening to music and podcasts with high quality audio interface and headphones amp. Maybe taking to university and cafes sometimes too.
@ Ok, thanks! And also, should I buy M2 iPad Air and Mac mini M4 or only M4 pro MacBook Pro 14” with maybe iPad mini 7? Which combo would you choose for both Mac and iPad setup for both university and desk use if I am not sure I will take out the Mac but the iPad maybe will take it out too?
@@MaxTechOfficial I just want to ask, if there is any difference in speed of SSD between 512GB and 1TB with M4 Pro. I want to buy 16" macbook pro with M4 Pro and 48GB and I do not know, if I have to pay for 1TB SSD.
You should go harder on multitasking, real world multitasking with internet tabs, videocall running, a couple of heavy softwares open... Export times aren't that helpful, those M series Macs are all fast enough for that
I'm going with M4 Max, 128GB unified memory and 14inch. This is my final laptop for a while. I like something small, compact and fast. I kind of hate my 16inch Intel MBP
@@avienxyz wow... glad i looked into this. i'm shocked. but i see m3 vids regarding this. should i go with 16inch if i am going to go with 128GB memory? or i don't need it. tbh i like the small stuff, easy to carry lol
@@HeyHammadAusafi I can’t make that decision for you, depends on your workload max gets you 1 more media engine ( mostly beneficial if you are professional video editor) + 2 performance cores+ 20 extra gpu cores ( mostly beneficial if you are running very heavy AI models) if you really need max would recommend 16 inch size that can cool everything properly but trade off is it’s heavy and bulky and not really portable, personally I have 14inch m4 pro 14c version with 24gb ram
Can’t wait for a base 16 M4 max vs upgraded chip 16 M4 max video. Is the 36GB going to limit heavy multi-tasking? Would love to unheard your thoughts for “on device AI” usage in future years from extra GPU cores and RAM?
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I have been leaving this comment for years but I guess I’m never early enough to get noticed: Can we please upvote this so the guys at Max Tech see that the term “binned” doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the “cut down” version of a chip? To “bin” simply means “to sort”. Even golden samples, best of the best, 0-defect chips are “binned” - they are simply binned into a group of “perfect chips.” All chips are “binned” and the term doesn’t imply lesser performance. Intel’s “KS” and “extreme edition” chips, for example, are in fact, highly binned chips because they are relatively rare due to them exhibiting performance characteristics beyond the targeted goal.
Edit: because I value providing solutions as opposed to just criticizing and pointing out problems, my suggestion for Max Tech is please use the term "cut-down chip" instead of "binned chip".
(as always, for everything, don’t take my word for it - please verify this info yourself)
While your argument is good the internet sees it differently. It’s so much simpler to just say binned and unbinned. For technical people this is a misnomer, but for the average joe this makes sense.
This is very pedantic. A full chip is indeed "binned" as you say. You aren't wrong. But people have colloquially used "binned" for chips that are not full die for years. You often here "Its the full GK104 die" or "Its a binned down version of the GK104 die". I suppose they usually use "binned down" instead of "binned", but its not a big deal.
@@christopherpilch6688 I like the term "binned down." I also like the term "top bin". Because those terms inform the reader of whether it's an exceptionally good or poor performer.
My gripe when saying "binned chip" is I can't tell (without additional contextual clues) whether it's an exceptionally good or poor performing sample of a chip.
I don't have a problem with slang in general. What I have an issue with is when it creates ambiguity.
The problem this creates is many young people who first get their feet wet in tech through the "window" of Apple products (pun intended), when expanding beyond the Apple garden, will be confused by the incorrect understanding they've developed of "binning." Outside of the Apple world, a highly binned chip can be something that is extremely desirable and sought after.
I personally know of numerous people IRL who have come to the misunderstanding that a binned chip is ALWAYS a less performing, or less desirable chip.
That dent will cost me my sleep tonight
Yeh it was sad when it happened :(
@@MaxTechOfficial Oh no a accident how did it happen?
Damn I thought the same thing... I threw up in my mouth a little bit when I saw it.
Easy solve. Just use a filter to remove the dent.
14:19 brother, 48% vs 46% isn’t simply “2% more” when the former is a 100 Whr battery and the latter is a 72.4 Whr battery. That’s actually a substantial difference. Here’s what I mean: 46% of 72.4 Whr = 33.3 Whr but 48% of 100 Whr = 48 Whr. Thats 44% more.
Dang that is the way this needed looked at, this was comparing apples to oranges without normalizing the battery capacity. Good catch.
But what counts on the real world is the remaining battery time and not the Whr number. If one device has 46% and the other 48% it means that they have very similar time left running on battery.
@@felipebulhoes2016 yeah but he's comparing a smaller laptop to a much bigger one. so that's useful only if you're considering the M4 Pro 12/16core 14" and the base model 16". Considering the large difference in battery capacity, it should've been mentioned how much more efficient the 12/16core chip was compared to the 14/20core version. Otherwise people may draw the conclusion that they are equally efficient and be disappointed.
Bruh, whi cares? Apple just destroyed the competition
@@felipebulhoes2016not true, it depends on how fast that device drains the battery. My gaming laptop will go from 50% to 0 within an hour because of how power hungry it is
Many people are eager to see a comparison between the 14-inch 12-core and 14-core models. Creating such content could attract a significant number of views and provide valuable information to others.
Currently, no video is available for this comparison.
I don't think you'll see much of a difference than what's on here. Better comparison that still hasn't been done yet is 24GB vs 48GB memory.
Make a M1. Pro vs M4 Pro comparison for video editing.
it is almost the same it is stupid buy new machine for 3 minutes faster render time
They would be almost no different from each other
M4 pro 14 CPU 20 GPU CAN BEAT M1 MAX ... ALMOST EQUAL IN RENDAR TIME AS WELL.. YES M1 MAX HAS 32 GPU BUT M4 20 GPU IS MORE EFFICIENT AND OPTIMISED..
At this point if you haven’t found that, you’re not looking hard enough. All these comparisons are is for video editing
append (please)
Thanks for making these vids. It would be really good to see the 12 core vs. 14 core both in 14” variants go up against each other. Would get a way better understanding of performance vs. efficiency, as well as thermal and noise profiles. You can’t really just linearly extrapolate these metrics to compare, so not really that accurate a comparison. I think a lot of people are tossing up between these two 14” options - I know I am - and I think it would be great to see these go head to head
Really disappointed with the 16” result. I went with the larger model since my older eyes need the bigger display. If they had a binned 16” I would definitely save the money, but they don’t offer that.
U can go with 15 inch air
Since I traded in an M1 Pro 14” it made less sense to get an m3 air, suppose I could have waited for the m4 air. But that ship has sailed.
He got a lemon. My M4 16” is quicker than that. And in Canada it’s a $49 difference to go from 14” to 16” if compared to the 14” 1TB model. For me there is no comparison the 16” is better in every way unless you’re buying for portability.
@@BiggspeedI ran cinebench and geekbench and get very similar scores.
Disappointed in your attitude. Apple just crushed the competition
I just recently exchanged the 14” m4 pro MacBook Pro for the 16” m4 pro MacBook Pro. Best decision. The screen size is far more important than the portability that the 14” provided and nicer and louder speaker and runs quieter when doing extensive work. I didn’t really feel the difference in weight to be honest but the foot print is definitely bigger which I want.
Are you a coder ?
@ yes, I am a software engineer. I have often late night coding sessions for work for major projects and when I get tired sitting at the desk I like to be untethered away from my desk. These times I am thankful for having a larger 16” display that I can work for additional 1-3 hours straight and comfortably. 14” would be too small for this comfort level coding for this long. Also I noticed the 16” isn’t that much more heavier where I don’t notice much at all.
@@eplugplay8409 thanks for the insight.
Thanks for sharing! I want to get the 16", but after watching this video I felt a bit drawn to the 14". I currently have the 13" and just had to return my 16" M1 Max work-laptop back after using it for 3 months. Your comment helps, as I also value size, sound and the comfort of being able to sit for hours.
@@eplugplay8409 thanks for the input
1:22 man that dent on the 14 inch macbook pro is CRINGE
It would have been interesting to include the 16" M4 Max to this and see if the price jump from the 14" Pro to the 16" Max is better justified than to the 16" Pro.
The dent in MBP 14" breaks my heart :D
The video does not really show how much better the sound of the speakers in on the 16" (you need to hear it yourself). I can do video calls with the 16" all the day without headset - but it's really no fun at all with a 14" (sound quality and fan noise - I'm running some performance hungry apps during the day)
I have an M3 Pro 16” for work. I had an M1 Max 14” and now have a M4 Pro 14”. I thought I’d like the 16” more than I do, but honestly the portability of the 14” is totally worth it.
Nah I love my 16 m4 max. I had a 14 pro m3 and I’ll never go back to that size after owning a 16
I am just now watching this on the 14 inch M4 pro with the exact specs. It's great. I threw in some resolve projects (RAW and LUTs), big Photoshop files, an Unreal Engine 5 project (with everything set to Medium) and it managed fine. No stutter, minimal fan noise. It's not meant to replace my PC workstation but a way to be mobile and "productive"... as I am right now... watching RUclips... on a train... on a MacBook.
The choice is easy.
If you use a monitor go with 14 inch.
If you just use the MacBook itself go with 16 inch.
And if you travel?
@@raiiiargo with the “16 still. There’s no monitors in a hotel room.
I have a monitor and still love my 16"
Whenever I move elsewhere, family house, sofa, bed, office - having that 16" screen is a bliss.
@@Skaratak me too. 24” 4K At the desk.
No, just go with a 16.
The size, cooler temps, and quieter operation easily justifies the extra $500 of the 16" regardless of performance so best to choose based on portability of your use case. If its just sitting on my desk 16" all day but if I have to travel, take it home every day, or want to work in a coffee shop I'll go 14".
A comparison between the 14-inch 12-core and 14-core models please. Would you recommend the upgrade ? Thermal throttling problem ? Fan noise ?
16" M4 Max here. A remarkable machine, but a significant challenge for non-touch typists. The key gaps are now black, even on the silver model-a true nightmare for those who rely on visual aiming when typing.
If you’re a dude who is getting a Mac and will also want to use it for gaming a 16” may be a better option. I’ve heard the 14” gets heat throttled with high intensive longer tasks and can bottleneck performance. All the big promoted RUclipsrs only report on video rendering and running quick benchmarks
@ for some users specifically who need a Mac for school or work and also wish to be able to also use it for gaming. If gaming is a primary concern there are much better options of course
Gaming laptops are also very overrated. I don’t want to carry around a cooling pad and 500000w power brick
Without an external screen at home, and if you use your laptop at work as many do, I prefer the 16 inch. I have a 16 inch M1 Pro and I'm glad I got the larger size. Now, with the M4 Pro, and a nano-textured display, the 16 inch is making me very tempted!
I'd only go with a 16” if I planned to use it for work. The size difference is massive for daily driving and is well worth the cost difference.
Yeah the 16” is huge, i mean that thing isn’t really meant to be carried around. I’d also be worried about damaging it, i had my mac air screen break on me and it’s a pain to get fixed
I carry around the 16” all the time. With the right backpack I find the 16” much more portable than the 13” MacBook Air because when I take the 16” I can actually complete my work with the larger screen whereas with the 13” Air the small screen size means so much more switching context and back and forth so I get less done. It feels weird to say that the 16 MBP is more portable than the 13 MBA but in realworld use I carry my 16 everywhere and the 13 stays at home so it can be plugged into external screens.
Wish my work would allow me to use my 16 instead of their 13 MBA.
@@richardmoore5371I have both a 16” MBP M1 Pro and a 13” MB Air M2. Picked up the later for travel…especially when I also bring a work machine…Lenovo 16” with me. Can travel with the 16” for sure…but dropping the weight is not to be negated.
@@seriessplayer62747 That is a big reason why I have doubts about an expensive Mac where the screen can crack way easier than a plastic Windows laptop screen.
Ergonomics for the 16 inch suffer compared to the 14 inch version when used on a desk as the keyboard is further from the front edge of the notebook. However, that defeciency can largely be corrected by angling the computer by 10-15 degrees with an appropriate wedge product.
14 is for users who want a workstation & also portability
16 is for users who want a workstation & maximise the performance
There might be a bigger difference between M4 Max 14 and 16 under extensive use since the M4 Pro chips are less powerfull and quite efficient in both chassis.
After watching this video, I feel like it makes more sense to go with the binned chip version of the Mac Mini instead of the full chip.
What mean by binned? Cant be overclocked?
@@ADHDOCDbinned version has 2 less performance cores in comparison to unbinned version. Actually these 2 cores are physically present on the chip, but they have been disabled as some of them can be defective (during manufacturing process). However as long as they are disabled they don’t affect stability of whole M4 Pro chip. There is no possibility to enable them.
I think upgrading from binned to unbinned M4 Pro is a very poor value.
Buy binned Pro or un binned Max.
I would love to see a video of the M4 Pro Unbinned in the 14" vs the 16". Basically keep everything else the same, just show us how much impact the different sizes truly has.
I doubt there would be any difference’s worthy of the time to test. The binned and un binned is disappointing as it is, not worth it for the 200.00 either way.
The video really doesn't make sense for comparison
If the chip isn't the same you're not differentiating the 14 & 16 you're just comparing 2 computers based on price
The 14 & 16 need to have the same configuration to make a comparison
@otwer22 @panmanafro @skeyechi what means unbinned please?
People are not buying the 16” m4 pro base model for more performance vs a 14” m4 pro base model. They want the 16” for the bigger beautiful screen to get work done and the superior speakers. I exchanged the 14” for the 16” and while 14” felt very well balanced and portable I just wanted a bigger screen for coding. I couldn’t do more than 30 min coding sessions on the tiny 14” screen when I want to be away from the desk. The 16” I can take it anywhere and work for hours on it and tbh it’s not that much heavier as the 14” is still a chunky laptop.
I feel like so many people didn’t even really pay attention to this review …. He is stating that the base 14 inch m4 pro in the standard configuration is a MUCH better buy and it is not worth upgrading the cores !
Honestly, i think the performance is not the main reason ppl go with the 16inch base model. I just want wider field of view 😮 my old eyes get so soar looking at small screens…
The 14 inch is sufficient for most uses and is significantly lighter - this is the choice for me
What’s up with the dent on the 14 inch? Is it more prone to denting?
have had an M1 Pro for 3 years, zero dents...
Only if you're a professional dentist.
I had the same worry
Yeh, saw it straight away in the back left of the 14". I've had no dents in my M1 MBP but certainly got a ding in my final Intel MBP when I had to put my personal bag into the cargo compartment on a small plane. Thought the M-chip cases were a bit more resilient.
What dent? Why am I not seeing any?
Can you do a review of real world performance of m4pro 24gb vs 48gb?! Feels like historically a lot of the pro and max reviews were of higher mem machines which in things like Lightroom have a big impact.
Also an m1max vs m4pro review would be nice. Trying to decide on m4pro vs max with 48gb coming from a 64gb m1max.
Doesn't matter when Apple has destroyed the competition
@@maxweinbach3996 I don't see the relation.... Apple destroyed the competition for sure. The question now, for me, coming from M1MAX/64GB - will I (or can I) be happy with the M4PRO/48GB, giving me better battery life for non-compute intensive tasks (80% of my day to day), or will I get bummed, for the 20% that I do need compute intensive tasks (mostly photo and video editing), that I didn't get up the M4MAX.
It would have been helpful of you let us hear the difference in fan noise on each machine, but thanks for the comparison. I'd love to know how the 24GB RAM in the M4 Pro compares to 32GB of older RAM in the M1 or M2 Pro.
I have a sound recording of the 14" M4 Pro fans (12 cores) on my channel.
I‘ve had enough of video-editing benchmarks. Why doesn’t anyone try machine learning on these devices, so we can see how size of shared memory, and the GPU counts affect learning speed?
Agree. In one of previous vids i did comment about ollama for ai which is just few clicks to run so no big deal even for people who are not into it.
Alex Ziskand is your guy
I'll be making a video about that (on a 14" M4 Pro MBP with 48 GB of memory). Which model do you have in mind? And are you more interested in speed or model size?
You should do a m4 pro vs m3 max comparison
14:19 Wait, wait, that battery performance ....
You are comparing 46% (of 72.4kWh battery) to 48% (of 99.6kWh battery) like it was the same scale?!
This means 14" used 54% of 72.4kWh = 39.1kWh for the same work where 16" used 52% of that 99.6kWh = 51.8kWh.
39.1kWh vs 51.8kWh, that is 12.7kWh difference. Seems like batteries would last very close, in time.
Yeah I don’t get that part. If it was 46% in the 14 inch what percentage would it have been if the unbinned was in the 14inch and measured at the same time? Maybe 35% roughly?
What do you mean in time? , it’s still a big difference
Was strongly considering a 14 inch m4 Pro with nano texture and 2tb unbinned. Probably keeping my 16” m4 max glossy unbinned though
Which will give more performance m4 pro (12core CPU 16 core GPU)MacBook Pro OR Mac mini m4 pro (12core CPU 16 core GPU)
24gb 512 gb variant?
I think macbook pro have better cooling system otherwise they should perform almost same.
I went with the mini and no regrets
I just got a refund from best buy, 14” 14 core with 1TB dropped to $2099, a steal if you ask me. I “downgraded” from an M1 Pro 16”, the portability triumphed the larger screen and better battery, what good is a larger battery if you’re not going to take it with you because of the size?
What the heck did you do to that 14 inch? dented the f out of it
Also saw this lol
I have a video about the fan noise (with audio recording): I pushed the CPU to 100% on my 14" M4 Pro MBP and it's "as bad" as my old 2019 Intel 16" MBP. But It's completely silent (fans are off!) for RUclips watching, screen recording or having an external monitor attached - 3 things that would spin my 2019 Intel MBP fans quite fast.
conclusion seems clear, a binned version is a better value for money deal, shame 16' doesn't have a binned version option
For sure or better performance something that makes it seem like we are getting our moneys worth.
the 16 hands down is the best, everything is just better on it, and no its not that heavy at all lol....having all this power on the go especially traveling is insane, another is being able to use this for multiple days sometimes without charging is nuts as well...
I went from 16” M1 Pro MacBook Pro to 14” m4 pro MacBook Pro, huge difference in weight.
I’m curious what you guys do for backing up files in case of an internal or external drive failure. Many suggest not paying for internal storage and using external. That’s fine, but then are you backing up what’s stored on an external drive.. onto another external drive? Isn’t that super tedious? Do you plug both drives into the Mac at the same time and manually make 2 copies of everything? Or do most pay for cloud storage and use that as a backup to the external drive? Internal and external drives do fail.. so again, how are y’all backing up years worth of files?
I use a RAID, redundancy in one enclosure.
I wish someone would compare 16 core in 16" to 14" so we can see any thermal throttling or performance differences over long workloads
I just ordered 14" with CPU upgraded (w/48 GB of ram) for heavy photo management and editing. It will ship to me next week. if I don't forget about this, I will update to you later that It has any thermal throttling or not.
@@PetePavo Curious if any update! Thank you!
Dented 14" vs undented 16". What's your choice?
I had my heart set for 14" MacBook Pro M4 Pro chip. I usually like 16" but considering $$$, I thought I should go with 14" this time. You made it clear that I should go with 14" Thanks for such a detailed review-!!!
Sorry to hear 😢
💳 received 16. its insanely fast. after my Air 13 M1. but I was not ready for the size. this thing is HUGE.
Are you going to take it with you and carry it in your backpack/bag? it will be interesting to find out how uncomfortable it will become (I have 15" m3 and it's a pretty light thing)
@@KirillTr I would be glad to buy 15" m4 24gb instead, but don't want to wait 6 months.
I just checked for you, 16" fits perfectly all my backpacks. I think the size is about a standard office windows 15" laptop.
My only discomfort is to carry it one hand between rooms and floors in my house. m1 13" was a weightless.
What does unbinned chip mean?
Incredible results ! The 16 is biger than the 14 ! Mindblowing
CRAZY UPDATE FOR MUSIC PRODUCERS : So I got the M4 PRO, 14 Core CPU, 14" (1TB) Model, Logic is running an insane 300 tracks on High Power Mode, and still didn't max out!
Both over 100 degree celcius? U sure u didnt burn the table and laptop?
Internal temperature probably, the surface temperature (outside temperature) doesn't usually go past 40 degrees celsius
Strange results, could it be a bug in 16" CPU/power management?
How loud are the 14” & 16” M4 models by comparison to the M3 models
Iv owned the m4 pro version. Sold it and paid the extra for the m4 max version. Absolutely no noticeable difference in everyday activity and most other tasks. yes you'll save 30/60 seconds when carrying out very intensive tasks. is this worth the extra cash. ABSOLUTELY NOT . Huge lesson learnt for me. It'll not happen again. Its like driving at 150 mph or 170 mph its literally not a big deal the extra raw power
Between the Mac Mini M4 Pro and the 14 inch MacBook Pro with M4 Pro, which one's fans get louder and which one Thermo throttles the most. Do you guys have an answer on this?
On the 14 inch model, when does the fan noise become audible? I remember how loud was my 2019 intel version and I was so happy when I switched to M1 pro and never heard the fans anymore.
I alrreday bought macbook m4 pro max 14 in model with 14 core CPU,36 GB . my work mostly memroey intensive ,now bit confused want to return and buy MacBook m4 pro with 14core , 48GB ram. here I am requesting you could please compare both version 🙏
Really unimpressed with all the M4 machines for video editing. Keeping my M1 Pro for longer.
The m4 pro with the additional cores with the $200 upgrade is worth it instead of going straight for 16 inch.
It’s not
That’s what you took from the video, watch it again cause that’s not the case.
@ not at all. I do heavy editing and coding and for me the small upgrade works. I’m satisfied with it. If you don’t feel the same good for you
Could you please compare M1 Max with binned m4 pro MacBook Pro.
Want to know where to upgrade from m1x and what the min price I can spend to still get an upgrade
Please make a video comparing 14 pro and 14 max. Thanks.
You’re not going to want a 14” max they will throttle big time.
i have the m1 pro 14 inch which can also get pretty hot but seeing 104 degrees on this was quite shocking, as well as seeing the fan speeds max out at a much higher speed than on mine too by at least 1000rpm
Can you make a M1 pro vs M2 pro vs M3 pro vs M4 Pro? Like you made on the M4 Max?
I don’t if you gonna do it, but. Is it possible for you to do a comparison m4 pro vs m3 max?
seems like 14in M4 Pro 12/16 is the way to go, trying to decide whether to get this spec with 48GB RAM/1TB SSD, or 24GB RAM/1TB SSD. is double the RAM really worth $360?
How is it possible that the battery of the 14" MacBook Pro, in previous tests, drops to 25% and 29% with the same tests?
Maybe, the 16" MacBook Pro has to calibrate the battery?
Maybe it will come down to longer projects and exports. That better thermal architecture should help in the long run.
Will the mac mini 12 vs 14 pro cores be the exact same results?
Did you find any reasons why you can't select more than 36GB of ram with the 14-core M4 Max chip configuration?
Do you think you will be able to compare 14" vs 16" models but using the same chip , ideally M4 Max 16c cpu/ 40c gpu?
So what do you think in the 14inch should I get the 12-core or 14-core? What would be the battery life difference between them as in this video the 16inch has a larger battery so not sure what the battery difference is if it’s at 46% vs 48% what would it have been if it was in a 14inch?
Your wasting everyone’s time here, you already have a 12/16 and are trying to decide to return to get the 14/20.
I have a M4 Pro 16” but it doesn’t show me the power modes when I click on the battery, how can I change it?
Really surprised there isn't more of a performance delta. It seems if you were comparing the same spec CPU and GPU, they'd be near identical.
Is there already a dent on the 14" top?
I still believed that the Base M4 model should be the best for over 90% of the users. the M4 Pro model indeed shrink the power gap between various Pro models and Max models across previous generations, however the base M4 model already is a great powerhouse sufficient for most people. And you get the same chassis, same QD-miniLED display upgrade, same sound quality, same I/O support and mostly important, MUCH MORE BATTERY LIFE with much lower amazing price!
I believe you’re using the term binned in reverse. Binned is usually used for the better, not the normal chip.
Do you recommend 12-core pro or the 14-core pro if I keep the laptop for 7 years?
The video show very little benefit, spend your money on more ram.
If you virtualize the noncut version
@@otwer22 Agreed. I went for the 12-cord 14" version with 48 GB of RAM.
I wanna ask that should I go with
A. MBP M4 PRO with Desktop (mac M4 mini)
Or
B. MBP M4 pro with ipad air
Or
C. Desktop (mac M4 pro mini) with ipad air
Or
D Ipad air with MBP M4 pro with desktop (mac M4 mini)
A,B,C or D?? Please help me
What do you want to accomplish with the machine? Do you need portable? We need details to help you.
@otwer22 yep I want portable for my office but I can also do it with home in desktop
@@rukhsanaperween3466 o would choose a since since this gives you the most versatility.
B
M1 pro vs M4 pro please!
May I know what is the plugin that can show the % usage of CPU & GPU?
how old is that 14” MBP and it’s already dented? not a very good sign of the robustness of these designs
The chassis on these are top notch. He banged it hard to screw or up.
Makes perfect sense but I prefer the 14" size due to travel, so I'm one of those rebels buying the 14" M4 Max.
Ouch. Hope you like the extra heat. Everyone is saying the the Max chip in the 14” model is too much for a small chassis.
i want a laptop where the fans will turn on as little as possible.
would the 14" M4 be better than the 14" M4 Pro for me as it has more efficiency cores?
Also the M4 only has one fan compared to two on the Pro model.
On heavy loads the pro will be quieter since the two fans need to do less work than the 1 fan on the standard m4. Really choose based on what you’re doing not fan noise.
@ but in basic tasks , where the fan won’t spin at all, which will run cooler
@@beace4436the standard m4
@@beace4436basic tasks like web browsing, word docs, spreadsheets, RUclips videos they (all) will be silent.
I just purchased the M4 14 inch & was seriously wondering if I made a Mistake. Thanks for this video as I'm happy with my choice now hahaha. ... Good Job.
What's the cpu monitoring software that looks exactly like Intel Power Gadget, but obviously isn't?
Aren’t those differences because the 14 version you have actually has less cores instead of just being smaller?
Yes of course. That's the point of this video to test 12-core vs 14-core chip
@@MaxTechOfficialgot it! I thought the main reason of the video was to compare performances differences due it’s sizes manly. Thanks man and great videos!
Ps: Wonder if there will be a comparison with a 14 and 16 equal configs to check what’s the real difference only caused by the sizes and not hardware. Re: Throttling due to small size?
Does the 14" M4 Pro, priced at $1999, recommend upgrading the charger from 70W to 96W?
According to my research there is no need to upgrade to 96W, it shortens life span of your battery and you win only about 20-30 minutes top with faster charging. But if you know that you always gonna use it unplugged and therefore you need faster charge speed to minimise your plugged in time - then go with a 96W.
WHEN YOU UPGRADE YOUR CHIP IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY UPGRADE TO 96W ...
Have you noticed any difference with new quantum dot panels on the M4 Macbook Pros against the previous versions with normal lcd?
Weird. The Blender score comparison charts shows a larger difference between the 16c vs 20c M4 Pro.
Should I buy the MacBook Pro with 14” M4 Pro 24GB 512GB or the M4 Max 16” 32GB RAM 1TB? I also have 200GB iCloud for files too. I need it for beginners photo and video editing, programming, web browsing, watching RUclips videos, listening to music and podcasts with high quality audio interface and headphones amp. Maybe taking to university and cafes sometimes too.
The smaller one, it will be easier to carry and do everything no problem. 16" is overkill for your workload.
@ Ok, thanks!
And also, should I buy M2 iPad Air and Mac mini M4 or only M4 pro MacBook Pro 14” with maybe iPad mini 7? Which combo would you choose for both Mac and iPad setup for both university and desk use if I am not sure I will take out the Mac but the iPad maybe will take it out too?
M3 Max vs M4 Pro, to decide more GPU power for games, or M4 is still good?
M3 Max more powerful
I would like to know how the comparation pro versions looks likę on 14 inch
So what is "binned" exactly?
What about SSD speed? Is there any difference between 512 GB and 1 TB in a 16" Macbook Pro with M4 Pro?
No same speeds if the capacity is the same.
@@MaxTechOfficial I just want to ask, if there is any difference in speed of SSD between 512GB and 1TB with M4 Pro. I want to buy 16" macbook pro with M4 Pro and 48GB and I do not know, if I have to pay for 1TB SSD.
You should go harder on multitasking, real world multitasking with internet tabs, videocall running, a couple of heavy softwares open...
Export times aren't that helpful, those M series Macs are all fast enough for that
Please make a comparison MacBook Pro 14 M3 Pro 36 ram vs
MacBook Pro 14 M4 32 ram vs
MacBook Pro 14 M4 Pro 24 ram
I'm going with M4 Max, 128GB unified memory and 14inch. This is my final laptop for a while. I like something small, compact and fast. I kind of hate my 16inch Intel MBP
Check videos for this, the max will throttle.
waste dont get max in 14 inch it will throttle so much that max benefits will go away. m4 pro 14c is more than enough
@@avienxyz i just like the fact is small/compact - haha. i'll consider the m4 pro.
@@avienxyz wow... glad i looked into this. i'm shocked. but i see m3 vids regarding this. should i go with 16inch if i am going to go with 128GB memory? or i don't need it. tbh i like the small stuff, easy to carry lol
@@HeyHammadAusafi I can’t make that decision for you, depends on your workload max gets you 1 more media engine ( mostly beneficial if you are professional video editor) + 2 performance cores+ 20 extra gpu cores ( mostly beneficial if you are running very heavy AI models) if you really need max would recommend 16 inch size that can cool everything properly but trade off is it’s heavy and bulky and not really portable, personally I have 14inch m4 pro 14c version with 24gb ram
I watched all videos and waited for this video since launch to check Logic Pro X difference and you skipped that test 🤷🏻♂️
Me too:(
Can’t wait for a base 16 M4 max vs upgraded chip 16 M4 max video. Is the 36GB going to limit heavy multi-tasking?
Would love to unheard your thoughts for “on device AI” usage in future years from extra GPU cores and RAM?