Sometimes I just go on a binge watch of these old videos and just laugh. A 6GB card? A desktop card in a laptop was something weird? Oh man, don't miss those days.
Milan ? Hahaha xD Only at times. I sometimes have to read my name a few times to remind myself that I'm not supposed to be an annoying know-it-all on RUclips ;p Especially when people rustle my jimmies (that's what they say in English right? ;p) ;p
+Kind Old Raven I own one of these and it only throttles like that if you do not enable 3D performance mode from the BIOS. I have enabled 3D performance mode from the BIOS and it doesn't drop below 900mhz when playing the most demanding games I own, The only difference is that it's a little louder but I love it. So you can use it's full performance if you enable it in the BIOS which causes the fans to power up more
Or they just could wait untill the 800 series come out with better performance and lower power needs. I think the next gen will be a Broadwell with 800 series from Nvidia.
Plamen Yordanov Don't call Gigabyte stupid for trying to push the technological limits of form factor. They tried, and this version failed due to heat being a limiting factor. The version did succeed in putting these extremely powerful components together though. And rest assured, things will get better as we move on to the next generations which will reduce the size restrictions even further.
The new Intel CPUs and the GTX 960 use a lot less power in gaming workloads compared to the GTX 760 and last gen Intels. If Gigabyte makes a new one, it will likely be fairly successful.
AshtonColeman I was actually think the same thing. it's actually quite stronger of a gpu too. and the mobile versions aren't that far behind. but I don't think it has a 6gb model.
***** Just like the Core M fanless laptops, lower spec'ed hardware may perform better due to less throttling. A 750ti might be better than a 960 considering the heat in that case.
*****, the 750ti is also Maxwell. Maxwell is an architecture improvement, and brings more performance for less energy. However, when the nvidia uses it's boost, a power target is targeted and power consumption is around that amount. The 960 would still overheat in that case. The controversy over Core M laptops was that lower specced hardware performed better over time due to less heat being produced.
I understand why this exists and in its former factor, but to contain a fully fledged GTX 760, I think Gigabyte would have been better of increasing the height of the unit to add a better heatsink/fan unit. The size of maybe their Brix NAS unit or slightly higher. It may not fit on the back of your monitor but at least it wouldn't throttle. Just my opinion. Otherwise it's amazing what they have managed to fit into this form factor.
Even if they made it slightly wider, the option of 4 fans for cross airflow would be a better idea. It would take a bit of stress off those fans as well.
Useless is a strong word. I agree that I wouldn't settle for this but 40fps in a modern title, maxed at 1080p, in that form factor is very impressive none the less. I applaud Gigabyte and Intel for pushing the envelope, helping lead the way to smaller, more powerful rigs. The modern PC didn't happen overnight, it happened because people pushed hardware limits in pursuit of ideas, initial iterations are rarely great.
Man if they had mounted a 120mm radiator to the bottom or the top of the device it would still be super tiny and awesome and then the throtteling would not be a such a big problem.
Thats a remarkable believable ideal actually, in fact they use 2 water blocks like the R9 295x2 does and that way they wouldn't even need a custom cooler. You'd still keep exactly the same box dimensions other than 52mm of added height (making it a true cube rather than a half cube of 120mm) and have 2x 80mm fans, but use quieter ones. Couple that with a M.2 slot rather than Msata and you have something truly capable of competing as a gaming machine. I'd also like to see a lower spec module with a i3 and factory OC'ed gtx750ti, it'd run throttled on the stock cooling already implemented in this brix unit, and still provide a good basic gaming\LAN system that's perfectly capable of 1080p at >30fps.
I was thinking this exactly; why didn't they just water cool??? Adds a bit more Height But I doubt people would care if they had something more akin to a cube than a rectangular profile
X Ghazbaran I assume the issue may be maintenance/shipping/QC of the AIU cooler. I can see a flagship model with such designs. I'd have my eye on it to see how it would perform and last. Is this the future of barebones? I think the cube is too monolithic and off putting which is why they added so much "flavor" to the Brix.
X Ghazbaran if they redesigned the positioning of the PCB they could reclaim some of the extra hight needed for a water cooler by making both the PCBs closer together because there isn't any large heat sinks attached to them.
being that this is a full size gpu i would say it would overheat the fridge but if the gpu has a bit of limiter on usage it might work out then. you would need to see what the max the fridge could do then set the max heat output to a bit less then that. so it could maintain a solid working temp but no i wouldn't think it would work to well depends on how much you got to limit it. i would like to see what it could do out in the snow. i know moister but maybe get a dehumidifier on the intake. i live right on a snow belt.
***** Mhmm, im sure volume wise theres more space and airflow in a laptop than a stacked mini desktop. Cooling wont be a major issue. GTX 760 is a better performing card than the highest laptop card which is the gtx 880m. So i wouldnt see why not.
donkey1450 guys architecturally a 760 is an 870m. The fact of the matter is that these components are throttling ridiculously. If it's possible we really need vapour chambers in our laptop cooling systems. Personally i think this box needs a bootleg wc loop
liwa3055 the size of a game boy? I'd like to see. Even my k1 strugles with gc and wii not to mention any x86 machine dev board will be bigger and will need a better cooler, so... mind showing up a video/photo about it? and it's the size of an old gb (first model).
The Maxwell chips in the 900 series are more efficient than their 700 series counterparts. While the 960 requires 120W to operate at full load, the 760 requires 170W, so what you are saying doesn't make sense. Plus this was the point I wanted to make, that if it had newer hardware it would throttle less.
+ElZamo92 I agree, nowadays, the Maxwell and the Skylake are power efficient architectures. You've forgotten 1 more option, the 980 (mobile version, not the 980M).
I think personally people should work on Mini home SERVERS. Because we already have cases like the Bitfenix Mini-ITX Cube case for portability BUT we have no small servers that you can run in your home for say Minecraft or BF3-4 I think the market completely lacks in good well cooled, well managed and good performance mini home servers! Linus if you read this I issue you a challenge make a video showing the smallest. best performance home servers for the price!
***** Yes but if you want to host say a professional server in your home a MINI sever would be good for that and I would like to see how many there are.
What... desktop GTX 760 has 3 and 6GB of RAM? I only know those cards to have 2 and 4GB variations. Really sounds like it's a 870M in there; those come in 3GB and 6GB flavours. ACTUALLY, in fact, the 870M has GDDR5 memory at 5000MHz, which perfectly describes what linus says here... it's also as strong as (read just about identical to) a 660Ti with extra vRAM if you bump that mem clock up to 6000MHz. Edit: Checked the screenshot of GPU-Z he had up just before zooming in at 4:48 and it has a 192-bit memory bus, telling that it's a 870M (desktop 760s have 256-bit mem bus). The base clock of 941 is also the 870M's base clock, which means they lied. That *IS* a GTX 870M that they've modified the vBIOS of (most likely) to tell you that it's a 760. ALSO, it has 1344 cuda cores, which is the 870M's tell AGAIN, because 760s have 1152 only. THAT'S A LAPTOP CARD LINUS.
***** I did start the post. I originally commented it out here in near real-time as the video was going on, then when I was finished I realized the video was about a month old. I tweeted at Linus and he told me if I had anything to say, to post it on the forums. So I simply expanded my research a bit and did the post.
***** I listed that somewhere along in my forum post, but his specs did not match up. The 760s only have 2GB and 4GB of vRAM and the 870Ms have 3GB/6GB. Also, no gaming-class desktop card comes with 5000MHz memory clock, but the mobile cards do (780M, 870M, 880M). Then I wanted to see what the cores were, to be sure. When I saw 1344 cores, I knew it was a 870M, because the 760 has 1152 and all the rest of the specs matched a 870M. Also, the 870M's base core clock was 941 which matched his video's specs, and the 760's nVidia reference spec is 980 on the core. Did not make sense as to why they'd downclock the base speed but still leave boost on (and I *KNOW* you can modify vBIOSes to negate boost clocks; as I've done that with my 780Ms, and the 870Ms/880Ms/680Ms/etc all have the same modified vBIOS available).
***** Don't worry about that user. There's a level of obstinate-ness where it's pointless to try and change someone's mind. That person is trying extremely hard to be more stupid than a potato, is all.
pmang6 In a few years, those people will be wondering why with more graphical horsepower than a 760. Unless you want to argue that a GT 8800 can actually use 2 GB of Vram
WOW! This little machine would be perfect for me if it wasn't for the thermal throttling issues it has. Some people I see are asking, "What would anyone want to use this for?!?!" but for me, It would be perfect. I do a lot of traveling throughout the year, and just recently spent $700 on moving from a AMD 6-core Mid tower case, to a I5 4 core Micro ITX slim case. Though I wont be using my amazing GTX 980 in that little crazy brix PC, It would be much easier to just throw into my Carry-on luggage than my Silverstone RVZ01B Mini ITX. Other than that, This thing is awesome! good job again Linus at showing us all cool new things to learn and talk about!
BrainSeepsOut Who ever has 30C in the casa? Do you live in Vegas and got no aircon or something? It would have been more relevant to know for 99% of the users whether it throttles at 18-20-22C room temp...
bodo fraggins Lucas Cronin not very well, fridges were built for making things cooler and keeping them there, but not to hold something heating up inside. it'll make the fridge run constantly(which isn't what they were built for) and itll burn out your fridge faster, AND you face issues with humidity possibly shorting your computer.
I got one of these for my bday and I took it to school and plugged it into a monitor which was looking away from the teacher, I made sure to set the BG to the same as the other computers and I installed the same programs that were on the desktop, my teacher actually thought it was the school computer and I was enjoying BF4 while everyone was working 👌👌👌
in 10-15 years all pc's will be like that, or even smaller , we would only need some sort of foldable monitors to take them with us , and we could play anywhere, 50 years from now they will be smartphone size, wireless them to some form of shades that function like monitors and enjoy
They need to do a power adapter that can lower the power when the CPU gets hot in order to balance the Thermal Throttle and keeping the machine working at max, also it needs to be slightly longer, maybe like 1inch longer to make the heatsink better, and the heatsinks need LED to reduce heat by dissipating the heat into light.
What do I think of mini-PCs? Even in a SteamBox application, I'd prefer to have a larger, quieter, and cheaper box next to my TV. Of course, I'm a fat American with a huge house so that works for me. For people who don't have much space, mini-PCs are great. PC Gaming Master Race. Something for everybody.
Well the thing is that steambox has different design to everything else. It has separate compartments for the GPU and CPU, so it's almost like having the rig out in the open - there isn't any space for heat build-up and the temperature of the CPU or GPU won't be affecting other components. And the SteamBox cases are made for dirt cheap.
Since the Maxwell GTX 960 is out now I'd say Gigabyte should take another shot at it. The GTX 960 uses less power than the Kepler GTX 760 and is about 10% faster. I mean what's the point of an ultra-compact gaming PC which throttles down almost immediately?
For real ?! But is it worth the risk if the temps are 90+ ? I mean, we all know that its still in the average range, but the device won't live for too long.
Corristo89 Considering that the card it self is about 0.5 times bigger, they would need a bigger case and better cooling. I'd honestly would like for gigabyte to do this, to make the case bigger and to make a classified type water cooler or better contact copper and ventilation systems. (Input and output)
LinusTechTips i know this is kinda old, but im not sure if you have heard of tiny houses? this would be a great thing for people who have so little space. this one turned out to not be able to deliver the performance that the specs and price would demand, but i sincerely hope they do not abandon the concept. i would love to see you review more of these as they come out.
Not as slow to be a 2009 basic processor; It has been doing the job well, even with 3D rendering lol. Some years ago I got a budget Geforce 210, and I can play some very nice games on medium settings with 30 FPS (Amnesia, RE5, TESIV Oblivion, Mirror's Edge, among many others, fortunately). I'm now looking for a 4790K, But time will come for that processor too. After all, I don't regret to have being using my potato. *happy tears*
I love the *idea* of tiny form factor PCs, but this really doesn't seem to be good enough yet. Right now, if I wanted to build something powerful and small, I'd probably pick a mini-ITX build in something like an EVGA Hadron or Bitfenix Prodigy.
I've got one of these and don't mind the noise, these things are a BEAST! Fantastic if you don't want a massive oversized case sitting around. If you really want, dump it in mineral oil and then you have a nice and silent machine :)
(2:45) I can't tell clearly but it looks like the GPU fan is almost right up against the 'top' board. If they inverted that and had the boards back to back instead, would that help the temps much? Seems like a major oversight if the fan is where I'm thinking it is.
What if i get this and put it in my fridge, drilling a hole in the back for the hdmi and power to go out of. 1 minute you are gaming and the next minute you are taking an ice cold drink out of the fridge without even getting up. THE FUTURE IS HERE
I was coming to the comment section to say that very same thing. A 750 TI with its power savings would have stayed cooler than a GTX 760 ever would in that form factor. I guess Gigabyte wanted to impress people with what is inside rather than functionality.
Mini-PC's are worth it if you need them for solid reasons. For example, my current project involves taking an original Xbox, placing it into a custom acrylic case with a new small PSU and 10.1" display inside, that will run off of the batteries we use for our radios in the Army, and will fit into a small space. Once that is finished, I'll be moving onto doing the same thing with a PC or a PS4. I'm pretty convinced that this product from Gigabyte may be the one to use, especially since it's able to use a desktop GTX 760. You just have to have realistic expectations. If you didn't have thermal throttling with this mini-PC, why would most people get anything bigger? You don't get a mini-PC like this for top shelf performance. You get it for other reasons.
As someone who has done some work in the middle east (private contractor, not military), this thing throttles to all bejesus at a ~20C room temp, It is going to REALLY struggle when you put it in a 40C tent in an acryllic box. My laptop had minor thermal issues but taking it out in 40 degree heat made it throttle down to the point it was nearly unusable. If I where you id do a self build ITX system with a proper pcie gpu. Also out of curiosity what wattage can you pull from those radio battery packs?
It's more expensive, and NOT cost effective & not efficient (it gets hot and loud). These BRIX computers don't even have RAM or storage included, and costs 800$ base. Then, did you see the overheating issues? The GTX 760 has a lot of thermal throttling, which gets almost slower than 3 times as stock. That performance would be just about as a PS4.
Medieval Blast I think he was referring to the fact that this tiny thing with ideal temperatures will vastly outperform a PS4. If a PS4 implemented these technologies inside its current form factor, the possibilities are endless. Of course it costs more, but that one should be obvious, as these are considered high-end desktop-grade PC components.
psp785 What I think sochi is saying is that the cost of the computer is justified by the cheap games, that this little box despite its increased cost of entry, compares quite well to a PS4 in terms of actual cost.
8:09 .... Pretty much. I already have a gaming notebook for when I'm away from my Desktop, it performs better than most of these little things so they haven't really impressed me yet.
I personally don't see why it needs to be so compact. Why not make it a cube and have a single 120MM fan cooling? surely it would be MUCH more effective and much cooler?
I love mini PCs, but not for serious stuff. Got one on my TV, for movies, and I'm planning to start streaming games on it too, but when it comes to actually running the game, or doing some graphics work, can't go wrong with a nice tower.
Oh, that thing is your pc? hehe, cute. but when they see a big-ass tower case, they are more like: Wow, is that a pc?! damn. That this is awesome. I wonder how powerfull it is. (at least my friends are like that xD )
+Sm00th TV Exactly, maybe a small version of watercooling without sacrificing too much size. I don't now if those are 60 or 80 mm fans, but that thing has potential.
+Sm00th TV Water cooling will not accomplish anything. Because the bottleneck in such a small system is the final step of exchanging the heat to air regardless of how you transport the heat. Water cooling only equalizes temperature between a heat exchanger and the heat source. It has been successful in PC cooling for following reasons: * Flexibility of mounting. * Ability to mount a much larger area water radiator than a possible air cooler. * Ability to eject hot air and avoid thermal short circuit. However, if you look at this box's cooling system, it already avoids short circuiting and you also don't have anywhere to mount a larger radiator. Perhaps merely the area and gradient needs to be optimized, but phase change heat transport is more suitable here than water cooling. And +Alkaid, apropos size. The BRIX Gaming is 60mm tall in total, and 11cm wide. The two fans are 50mm each.
***** The main source of heat is clearly the huge dedicated GPU in here, not the CPU. If i remember the video correctly, there were no thermal issues with the CPU either. The GPU however was very toasty and throttling.
Couldn't we just have a gtx 650 ti or maybe even a gtx 750ti. They are both good graphics cards and can easily do high fps for quite a few new games and they shouldn't overheat as much. Or u could use a r9 270(x)
I thought they did but I was wondering about price rather than temps cause if u got the price down and made the case slightly bigger u could but liquid cooling in their which would be so much better.
Paddy Plays Liquid cooling would increase the form factor a little which would go against what they were aiming for. Adding a radiator and some proper ventilation to the top would solve a lot of the problems.
I want a PC small enough to fit in a classic gaming console while maintaining desktop class gaming. Of course, right now that's nothing more than a pipe dream, but the Iris Pro 6100 graphics do a surprisingly good job in surprisingly little space.
I wouldn't mind if they added a liquid cooled radiator or some sort of heat pipe setup outside the main case. It would probably double it's size and increase the cost but it would make all that computing power actually useful and it would look pretty beastly.
hellseagle21 For what case? In case the 2 (or 4) GB of the standard 760 aren´t enough, the chip is too weak to deliver good framerates. There is no case when you could benefit from 6 GB Vram, unless you have a SLI-system.
hellseagle21 Why complain? Because of the cost. While more Vram is nice both the 760 and the 880m don't have the GPU performance to make use of that kind of an amount of Vram so it will be wasted while simultaniosly driving up the cost. So unless you are doing workstation type CUDA or OpenCL computing it is worthless paired with thoes GPUs.
***** That sounds about right. 3GB VRAM is plenty for playing games in 4K resolution but the 760 is too weak a card to do it, despite having loads of VRAM. It's pretty pointless.
This pc would be fine if you were in college or something. Or if you traveled alot and you didn't want to hook up a huge rig every few days just to play for a few hours.
my new PC desktop i built, processor goes up to 50 (doing nothing) to 92 F playing games at ultra 60 to more FPS is that normal? (im using an AMD 8350 with a Hyper 212 cooler)
My old gunked up GTX 260 idled at 80c (though would have dropped to around 65 if I had the fans running 100% all the time) and went over 100 while playing, still worked without problems lol. It would have started throttling at 105c but with the fans running at 100% it never reached that high. I even burned myself a couple of times with it, good times.
Resacky 50 at idle with a Hyper 212? Not good, you should (If you haven't yet) get better thermal paste, and see if you have a bad mount, because unless where you're living is always hot at fuck, at 50 C idle is not good at all. unless you're talking about 50 F, which is actually fine.
They didn't think of heat dissipation. They just wanted to prove that you can pack powerful desktop hardware into a small box. Which of course you can... This is a really pointless product.
It's everything but an efficient solution. With more and more components available for the mini-itx platform, which allows for properly cooled, upgradable, and desktop grade components, I can't really think of a situation, where I would use a device like this. If a compact computer is needed, the mini-itx platform is the way to go. If a highly portable solution is needed, I would definitely prefer a laptop, or a tablet.
Shits on PS4 but runs too hot due to that performance level and small size (no room for adequate cooling solution). I still think it'll run a bit better than PS4 despite that but if you actually put the thing inside somewhere really cold then you'd be blown away by the performance.
Just no. It's bad thermal design, overpowered, undercooled components that simply aren't designed for such restricted airflow... doesn't make any sense. What *would* make sense is to design it around a heatsink and Peltier heatpumps, but with conventional copper ducts and restricted thermal dissipation, just no. Bad.
Yeah is true. Thermal throttling sucks. But if you put that little box on a very cold room. The throtolling gets reduce and may be able for that little box tonus it's full potential.
i really dig those mini PCs. but i think for this one perticularly they could have increased the box just a little bit to put a bigger heatsink and allow more air to mass through... only a couple of cm would make huge difference.
That wouldn't be much if the ram and SSD/HDD would make it total $900. But with 8GB of ram, 120GB SSD and 1TB 2.5" HDD it would be nearly $1200. But this is very innovative move from Gigabyte. Hope we'll see the same concept with Intel Skylake cpu, Nvidia Maxwell gpu and some DDR4 memory. Same or higher performace but a lot lower power consumption and thermal output. Totally functional concept after about 1-2 years.
EvoFinClan yeah. This seems more about the innovation than practicality. If it ran cooler, I could see this as being the perfect candidate for a living room bound steam box.
Sylas Cash Mineral Oil will be able to remove heat quicker and more efficiently but i figure that some of the plastic parts will break down and it could be a difficult fun challenge.
Honestly I would use this at school or in a work place, but if I were doing more than casual gaming, I would just stay with my huge desktop rig I already have, but it is a great concept
Here's something cool that might help these little box PCs in the future. Graphene is a material has almost no resistance, meaning very little heat and faster electric flow (almost the speed of light) between components on the motherboard and the power supply. This means it would conduct data to and from the components more quickly, and because of the high efficiency and low heat, more power-hungry components could be put to use. Cool, eh?
i feel like it would be cheaper just to develop less power hungry components. I mean the gtx 1050 ti outperforms this thing massively and it pulls a lot less power.
think if the exterior of the case was redesigned airflow could be improved or if they prebuilt it with an extended heat sink that went into some of the free space between the upper pcb and the 2.5 inch drive. as LinusTechTips said if it could just get rid of the heat more effectively then it would be better.
pretty cool concept and with some more builds im sure they will make a really good one. but there is always going to be somthing better about having a big glowing desktop with a viewing panel so when people see it they can go whaaat! thats a monster that runs on small animals lol (my personal view) thanks linus grate video as always
Ya know, I really kinda like a silent PC. I recently got a Corsair H60. It makes really great silence. Anyway, onto the BRIX, it's perfectly fine by me. And heat is kinda bit of a problem to me, although sometimes it's perfectly fine to run hot.
Wow! Wingnuts! I'm definitely going to subscribe to that ...oooh waaait a second! Why youuuuuu!!!!! I was trying to make a Yosemite Sam impression, lol.
They could make the brix taller by a few inches, flip the gpu board around, and have a 4 inch tall copper heatsink with an 80mm fan on it dedicated to just the 760. Would be a much better thermal solution.
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Sometimes I just go on a binge watch of these old videos and just laugh. A 6GB card? A desktop card in a laptop was something weird? Oh man, don't miss those days.
that moment when a pc the size of my speaker is stronger than my pc...
+Milan ? It's only on paper. It's throttling is killing it's performance. Just watch the video ;p
+Kind Old Raven you are very kind raven xD
Milan ? Hahaha xD Only at times. I sometimes have to read my name a few times to remind myself that I'm not supposed to be an annoying know-it-all on RUclips ;p Especially when people rustle my jimmies (that's what they say in English right? ;p) ;p
+Kind Old Raven I own one of these and it only throttles like that if you do not enable 3D performance mode from the BIOS. I have enabled 3D performance mode from the BIOS and it doesn't drop below 900mhz when playing the most demanding games I own, The only difference is that it's a little louder but I love it.
So you can use it's full performance if you enable it in the BIOS which causes the fans to power up more
ICT wait so one of my old Pentium 4 cpu, at 3.0 ghz, has a better stock speed then an i5?
"1080p is still playable for most games"
looks at his 720p laptop , cries.....
I look at my 720p monitor and cry.
+Abdo Mahfoz looks at his triple FHD monitors, smiles....
+MrPoop717 Glances over at Dell 800x600 CRT
+MrPoop717 that many monitors to play Minecraft.
Abdo Mahfoz when you always watch everything in 480p...
Gigabyte should have put a 750ti inside it instead of the 760.
The performence would be better since the thermal throttling wouldnt be as big.
I agree with you there. The 750ti would do better as it runs cooler and still you can game at almost 60fps with tuned down settings on 1080p.
Or they just could wait untill the 800 series come out with better performance and lower power needs. I think the next gen will be a Broadwell with 800 series from Nvidia.
Exactly what I was thinking during the video. Stoopid Gigabyte.
My thought exactly
Plamen Yordanov Don't call Gigabyte stupid for trying to push the technological limits of form factor. They tried, and this version failed due to heat being a limiting factor. The version did succeed in putting these extremely powerful components together though. And rest assured, things will get better as we move on to the next generations which will reduce the size restrictions even further.
this is more portable than a alienware laptop
+Redouan Djeebet hahahahaha
your profile pic nailed your comment
+Redouan Djeebet LMFAO
+Redouan Djeebet but no monitor
true dat
The new Intel CPUs and the GTX 960 use a lot less power in gaming workloads compared to the GTX 760 and last gen Intels. If Gigabyte makes a new one, it will likely be fairly successful.
AshtonColeman I was actually think the same thing. it's actually quite stronger of a gpu too. and the mobile versions aren't that far behind. but I don't think it has a 6gb model.
***** Just like the Core M fanless laptops, lower spec'ed hardware may perform better due to less throttling. A 750ti might be better than a 960 considering the heat in that case.
I thought the whole point of the 900m series was that it handles heat better and over heats less and uses less energy than the previous cards.
more so than being fast
*****, the 750ti is also Maxwell. Maxwell is an architecture improvement, and brings more performance for less energy. However, when the nvidia uses it's boost, a power target is targeted and power consumption is around that amount.
The 960 would still overheat in that case. The controversy over Core M laptops was that lower specced hardware performed better over time due to less heat being produced.
I understand why this exists and in its former factor, but to contain a fully fledged GTX 760, I think Gigabyte would have been better of increasing the height of the unit to add a better heatsink/fan unit. The size of maybe their Brix NAS unit or slightly higher. It may not fit on the back of your monitor but at least it wouldn't throttle. Just my opinion. Otherwise it's amazing what they have managed to fit into this form factor.
Even if they made it slightly wider, the option of 4 fans for cross airflow would be a better idea. It would take a bit of stress off those fans as well.
Making it larger defeats the purpose, it's all about pushing the envelope.
Scott Ster Yes in this case they bent so far the thing breaks: noise I can understand but throttling badly means that it's all but useless for gaming.
Scott Ster You wouldn't have to make it much larger, just a bit for a lot more. It would still be small as hell for a gaming pc.
Useless is a strong word. I agree that I wouldn't settle for this but 40fps in a modern title, maxed at 1080p, in that form factor is very impressive none the less. I applaud Gigabyte and Intel for pushing the envelope, helping lead the way to smaller, more powerful rigs. The modern PC didn't happen overnight, it happened because people pushed hardware limits in pursuit of ideas, initial iterations are rarely great.
Man if they had mounted a 120mm radiator to the bottom or the top of the device it would still be super tiny and awesome and then the throtteling would not be a such a big problem.
Thats a remarkable believable ideal actually, in fact they use 2 water blocks like the R9 295x2 does and that way they wouldn't even need a custom cooler. You'd still keep exactly the same box dimensions other than 52mm of added height (making it a true cube rather than a half cube of 120mm) and have 2x 80mm fans, but use quieter ones. Couple that with a M.2 slot rather than Msata and you have something truly capable of competing as a gaming machine.
I'd also like to see a lower spec module with a i3 and factory OC'ed gtx750ti, it'd run throttled on the stock cooling already implemented in this brix unit, and still provide a good basic gaming\LAN system that's perfectly capable of 1080p at >30fps.
I was thinking this exactly; why didn't they just water cool??? Adds a bit more Height But I doubt people would care if they had something more akin to a cube than a rectangular profile
They could of just added a big fan to the bottom and then turned it upside down or to the side ? why oh why didn't they do that :/
X Ghazbaran I assume the issue may be maintenance/shipping/QC of the AIU cooler. I can see a flagship model with such designs. I'd have my eye on it to see how it would perform and last. Is this the future of barebones? I think the cube is too monolithic and off putting which is why they added so much "flavor" to the Brix.
X Ghazbaran if they redesigned the positioning of the PCB they could reclaim some of the extra hight needed for a water cooler by making both the PCBs closer together because there isn't any large heat sinks attached to them.
Linus should put this in a refrigerator and see if the thermal throttling would go away.
+FPSkillerPC refrigerators suck for that. put it on the business end of a leaf blower. or an air conditioner. lets see it overheat then.
The answer was the refrigerator heats up. Fridges aren't made for constant high powered cooling so air works better
when he put that small zotac PC in the refrigerator, the temps dropped significantly
Then when the benchmark started didn't the temp go up?
being that this is a full size gpu i would say it would overheat the fridge but if the gpu has a bit of limiter on usage it might work out then. you would need to see what the max the fridge could do then set the max heat output to a bit less then that. so it could maintain a solid working temp but no i wouldn't think it would work to well depends on how much you got to limit it. i would like to see what it could do out in the snow. i know moister but maybe get a dehumidifier on the intake. i live right on a snow belt.
If they can do this, why cant they start building laptops with mid level desktop component?!
Yeah. Especially with laptops like the G75vw where there is ample cooling available.
***** Mhmm, im sure volume wise theres more space and airflow in a laptop than a stacked mini desktop. Cooling wont be a major issue. GTX 760 is a better performing card than the highest laptop card which is the gtx 880m. So i wouldnt see why not.
***** No chance.
Crisis 3: gtx 760 = 58.7, GTX 880m = 33.2
Bioshock infinite: gtx760= 68, gtx 880m= 66
Reference: GPU BOSS comparison chart.
***** Passmark performance chart:
GTX 760: 4987
GTX 880m: 4643
Reference: passmark performance
donkey1450 guys architecturally a 760 is an 870m. The fact of the matter is that these components are throttling ridiculously. If it's possible we really need vapour chambers in our laptop cooling systems. Personally i think this box needs a bootleg wc loop
This is a monstrous mini gaming pc
liwa3055 i have one it runs ps2 gamecube and wii games at 1080p full speed lol
Not that immpresive i got a a portable gaming emulator that i build size of a gameboy that run ps2 , wii , ds , gamecube etc
xboxmodder02 ps2 and gamecube games don't go to 1080p
Penguinox pcsx2 and dolphin? yep
liwa3055 the size of a game boy? I'd like to see. Even my k1 strugles with gc and wii not to mention any x86 machine dev board will be bigger and will need a better cooler, so... mind showing up a video/photo about it? and it's the size of an old gb (first model).
If they make one with a desktop 960 or 950 and a Skylake i5, it would be balls to the wall.
The Maxwell chips in the 900 series are more efficient than their 700 series counterparts. While the 960 requires 120W to operate at full load, the 760 requires 170W, so what you are saying doesn't make sense. Plus this was the point I wanted to make, that if it had newer hardware it would throttle less.
+ElZamo92 Apologies, I'm not a very smart person.
+ElZamo92 I agree, nowadays, the Maxwell and the Skylake are power efficient architectures. You've forgotten 1 more option, the 980 (mobile version, not the 980M).
+ElZamo92 date?
"but why do Intel and nVidia keep focusing on power efficiency?!?" - any clueless person, ever (also, most AMD fanboys)
I think personally people should work on Mini home SERVERS. Because we already have cases like the Bitfenix Mini-ITX Cube case for portability BUT we have no small servers that you can run in your home for say Minecraft or BF3-4 I think the market completely lacks in good well cooled, well managed and good performance mini home servers!
Linus if you read this I issue you a challenge make a video showing the smallest. best performance home servers for the price!
That's a pretty good idea, I'd like to see it myself
A small form factor PC would work just fine for a standard home MC server.
***** Yes but if you want to host say a professional server in your home a MINI sever would be good for that and I would like to see how many there are.
MCModMadness if your going to host a *professional* server in your home you wouldn't really make it mini.
***** yes but allot of people dont have all the spave for a rack so it would be a nice thing to see just because it would be useful to have
Please do a watercooled PC inside a briefcase! :D (bonus points if you include an HD LED display or a projector)
+Kian Gurney like an all inclusive briefcase. Some have done it, lookup PC briefcase
so basically a more powerful laptop
with no screen or keyboard
Very good review, pointing out the both good and bad of the product. A refreshing honest, seemingly unbiased review. Thanks.
What... desktop GTX 760 has 3 and 6GB of RAM? I only know those cards to have 2 and 4GB variations. Really sounds like it's a 870M in there; those come in 3GB and 6GB flavours. ACTUALLY, in fact, the 870M has GDDR5 memory at 5000MHz, which perfectly describes what linus says here... it's also as strong as (read just about identical to) a 660Ti with extra vRAM if you bump that mem clock up to 6000MHz.
Edit: Checked the screenshot of GPU-Z he had up just before zooming in at 4:48 and it has a 192-bit memory bus, telling that it's a 870M (desktop 760s have 256-bit mem bus). The base clock of 941 is also the 870M's base clock, which means they lied. That *IS* a GTX 870M that they've modified the vBIOS of (most likely) to tell you that it's a 760.
ALSO, it has 1344 cuda cores, which is the 870M's tell AGAIN, because 760s have 1152 only. THAT'S A LAPTOP CARD LINUS.
***** It *IS* an 870M. Here, have a read. linustechtips.com/main/topic/197015-correction-about-linus-gigabyte-bxi5g-760-micro-pc-video/
***** So... you can't read?
***** I did start the post. I originally commented it out here in near real-time as the video was going on, then when I was finished I realized the video was about a month old. I tweeted at Linus and he told me if I had anything to say, to post it on the forums. So I simply expanded my research a bit and did the post.
***** I listed that somewhere along in my forum post, but his specs did not match up. The 760s only have 2GB and 4GB of vRAM and the 870Ms have 3GB/6GB. Also, no gaming-class desktop card comes with 5000MHz memory clock, but the mobile cards do (780M, 870M, 880M). Then I wanted to see what the cores were, to be sure. When I saw 1344 cores, I knew it was a 870M, because the 760 has 1152 and all the rest of the specs matched a 870M. Also, the 870M's base core clock was 941 which matched his video's specs, and the 760's nVidia reference spec is 980 on the core. Did not make sense as to why they'd downclock the base speed but still leave boost on (and I *KNOW* you can modify vBIOSes to negate boost clocks; as I've done that with my 780Ms, and the 870Ms/880Ms/680Ms/etc all have the same modified vBIOS available).
***** Don't worry about that user. There's a level of obstinate-ness where it's pointless to try and change someone's mind. That person is trying extremely hard to be more stupid than a potato, is all.
6 GB of GDDR5
WHAAAAAT, it can't use all of it!
Chris Hsu You just wait... In a few years people will be wondering how the hell we got by with 2gb Vram.
Chris Hsu You just wait... In a few years people will be wondering how the hell we got by with 2gb Vram.
pmang6 In a few years, those people will be wondering why with more graphical horsepower than a 760.
Unless you want to argue that a GT 8800 can actually use 2 GB of Vram
+Chris Hsu It only got 2 gb ggr5.
+Chris Hsu You could if you did some solidworks or rhino 3D.
WOW! This little machine would be perfect for me if it wasn't for the thermal throttling issues it has. Some people I see are asking, "What would anyone want to use this for?!?!" but for me, It would be perfect. I do a lot of traveling throughout the year, and just recently spent $700 on moving from a AMD 6-core Mid tower case, to a I5 4 core Micro ITX slim case. Though I wont be using my amazing GTX 980 in that little crazy brix PC, It would be much easier to just throw into my Carry-on luggage than my Silverstone RVZ01B Mini ITX. Other than that, This thing is awesome! good job again Linus at showing us all cool new things to learn and talk about!
This thing is too powerful for its own good, it can't cool itself with those tiny rads
But it doesnt get too hot average 50 degrees
Guilherme Silva Isn't half this video about how it thermal throttles?
BrainSeepsOut Who ever has 30C in the casa? Do you live in Vegas and got no aircon or something? It would have been more relevant to know for 99% of the users whether it throttles at 18-20-22C room temp...
Baerchenization "I think the world ends with the US border!"
I wonder how it would do in a mini fridge.
My thoughts exactly.....
bodo fraggins Lucas Cronin
not very well, fridges were built for making things cooler and keeping them there, but not to hold something heating up inside. it'll make the fridge run constantly(which isn't what they were built for) and itll burn out your fridge faster, AND you face issues with humidity possibly shorting your computer.
The water condensation in a fridge/cooler will short all exposed connections.
Dump it in a tub full of mineral oil first to prevent condensation :)
GOPACKERSJT don't give slick any ideas
I got one of these for my bday and I took it to school and plugged it into a monitor which was looking away from the teacher, I made sure to set the BG to the same as the other computers and I installed the same programs that were on the desktop, my teacher actually thought it was the school computer and I was enjoying BF4 while everyone was working 👌👌👌
I'd rather have a "massive gargantuan desktop the size of a fridge". They stay cool and are easy to work on.
KiwiPowerNZ Hmmm, then why don't you build your next PC into your fridge? You'd have the coolest rig around. :-)
MegaSunspark *lightbulb above head lights up*
MegaSunspark Because the fridge would die. They aren't buildt for that stuff.
MegaSunspark an alt f4-esque idea!
What you could do is use a walk in fridge. They are heavy duty. Home fridges are not.
in 10-15 years all pc's will be like that, or even smaller , we would only need some sort of foldable monitors to take them with us , and we could play anywhere, 50 years from now they will be smartphone size, wireless them to some form of shades that function like monitors and enjoy
Nah I Rather have a Huge Tower to stare at
So, basically a laptop with desktop's performance?
+Draetarded No need for 10 years, it exists now XD
Lee Pak O Exactly. Everything that this guy said on his comment basically are already exists,lol.
PCs will be "daisy chained"
They need to do a power adapter that can lower the power when the CPU gets hot in order to balance the Thermal Throttle and keeping the machine working at max, also it needs to be slightly longer, maybe like 1inch longer to make the heatsink better, and the heatsinks need LED to reduce heat by dissipating the heat into light.
What do I think of mini-PCs? Even in a SteamBox application, I'd prefer to have a larger, quieter, and cheaper box next to my TV. Of course, I'm a fat American with a huge house so that works for me. For people who don't have much space, mini-PCs are great. PC Gaming Master Race. Something for everybody.
Well said
hehe i can imagine you having the MANCAVE i always dreamed of :P
Well the thing is that steambox has different design to everything else. It has separate compartments for the GPU and CPU, so it's almost like having the rig out in the open - there isn't any space for heat build-up and the temperature of the CPU or GPU won't be affecting other components.
And the SteamBox cases are made for dirt cheap.
Since the Maxwell GTX 960 is out now I'd say Gigabyte should take another shot at it. The GTX 960 uses less power than the Kepler GTX 760 and is about 10% faster. I mean what's the point of an ultra-compact gaming PC which throttles down almost immediately?
Totally agree with you, lol I killed my laptop coz of thermal throttling.
they temp issue I think was fix a bit later with a new bios.
For real ?! But is it worth the risk if the temps are 90+ ? I mean, we all know that its still in the average range, but the device won't live for too long.
Anas Shehab i think this was address with a new bios! it was a fault.
Corristo89 Considering that the card it self is about 0.5 times bigger, they would need a bigger case and better cooling. I'd honestly would like for gigabyte to do this, to make the case bigger and to make a classified type water cooler or better contact copper and ventilation systems. (Input and output)
I think you guys really put in work getting these video's to us. Thank you.
i wish gigabyte would attempt this again except with a gtx 1050 ti, an i5-6400t, and some quieter fans. i bet that would be great :)
I think we couldn't afford. It
Who else went whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat alongside linus?
Whaaaaaaaat?
+Leon Chatterton me lol
+Leon Chatterton My eyes got so fucking big lol
Me too
1080 doesn't have a 6gb version.
LinusTechTips i know this is kinda old, but im not sure if you have heard of tiny houses? this would be a great thing for people who have so little space. this one turned out to not be able to deliver the performance that the specs and price would demand, but i sincerely hope they do not abandon the concept. i would love to see you review more of these as they come out.
42 FPS at a high settings?! whoah! well, i'm here playing with my PC 20 FPS at lowest possible settings (27-30 FPS is fairly good for me :))
Why you playin with a console ? #lol
+Jordan Shuhandler Gotta love trusty potatos. (like my AMD Athlon II X2)
Alkaid Wha... How the fu... How did you know? I have AMD Athlon II X2 250.... well, I think this CPU is just really slow :\
I'm having a dream on my sleep about playing on a high spec PC :| being poor just sucks
Not as slow to be a 2009 basic processor; It has been doing the job well, even with 3D rendering lol. Some years ago I got a budget Geforce 210, and I can play some very nice games on medium settings with 30 FPS (Amnesia, RE5, TESIV Oblivion, Mirror's Edge, among many others, fortunately). I'm now looking for a 4790K, But time will come for that processor too. After all, I don't regret to have being using my potato. *happy tears*
I love the *idea* of tiny form factor PCs, but this really doesn't seem to be good enough yet. Right now, if I wanted to build something powerful and small, I'd probably pick a mini-ITX build in something like an EVGA Hadron or Bitfenix Prodigy.
I picked the prodigy and I love it coming from a Z11 Plus!
the prodigy is a little bit big for a true SFF IMO, also the Silverstone RVZ01 is a great candidate for tiny form factors.
bitfenix prodigy is huge for a sff case
I would truly like to build something inside the hadron, that case is truly compact. ( for a mItx build that is )
I got the prodigy for 290x Tri X lol!
I've got one of these and don't mind the noise, these things are a BEAST! Fantastic if you don't want a massive oversized case sitting around. If you really want, dump it in mineral oil and then you have a nice and silent machine :)
waiting for the newer version, Next BRIX Gaming should have 5th gen processors and GTX 970 Mini Version
When this little thing is better than your PC.
+Alex The Lion Story of my life.
Everything is better than my ancient tower
+Nebula Mirage not a laptop, those things are still crap.
+Redey1290 Nope, it's a PC from 2001
+Nebula Mirage "ancient tower" sounds good to the ear idk
(2:45) I can't tell clearly but it looks like the GPU fan is almost right up against the 'top' board. If they inverted that and had the boards back to back instead, would that help the temps much?
Seems like a major oversight if the fan is where I'm thinking it is.
When they're ready to put it together with proper cooling and without boss throttling I'll think about it. Until that time... meh
You know heat isnt a problem anymore due to the chip size right
Did you watch the video?
Just put it next to an AC and your fine, rember linus said it was a hot day aswe
What if i get this and put it in my fridge, drilling a hole in the back for the hdmi and power to go out of. 1 minute you are gaming and the next minute you are taking an ice cold drink out of the fridge without even getting up.
THE FUTURE IS HERE
*HEAVY BREATHING*
I got one of these, they're perfect for LAN parties. I turn heads every time I go to one.
Gigabyte should have made a 750ti version maxwell have better temps and consumes less, but this is still impressive.
they should have put a 750 Ti in there.
Or maybe even an 880m?
I was coming to the comment section to say that very same thing. A 750 TI with its power savings would have stayed cooler than a GTX 760 ever would in that form factor. I guess Gigabyte wanted to impress people with what is inside rather than functionality.
Or 780 Ti anyone?
Nah, an r9 290x reference is a much better choice.
HoRzeNTarI This is how house fires are started.
Mini-PC's are worth it if you need them for solid reasons.
For example, my current project involves taking an original Xbox, placing it into a custom acrylic case with a new small PSU and 10.1" display inside, that will run off of the batteries we use for our radios in the Army, and will fit into a small space.
Once that is finished, I'll be moving onto doing the same thing with a PC or a PS4. I'm pretty convinced that this product from Gigabyte may be the one to use, especially since it's able to use a desktop GTX 760.
You just have to have realistic expectations. If you didn't have thermal throttling with this mini-PC, why would most people get anything bigger? You don't get a mini-PC like this for top shelf performance. You get it for other reasons.
As someone who has done some work in the middle east (private contractor, not military), this thing throttles to all bejesus at a ~20C room temp, It is going to REALLY struggle when you put it in a 40C tent in an acryllic box.
My laptop had minor thermal issues but taking it out in 40 degree heat made it throttle down to the point it was nearly unusable.
If I where you id do a self build ITX system with a proper pcie gpu.
Also out of curiosity what wattage can you pull from those radio battery packs?
My god!!!!!, Why PS4 and Xbone never use this template?!
Way smaller and Way more powerful.
See? its not hard to be PC MasterRace.
It's more expensive, and NOT cost effective & not efficient (it gets hot and loud). These BRIX computers don't even have RAM or storage included, and costs 800$ base.
Then, did you see the overheating issues? The GTX 760 has a lot of thermal throttling, which gets almost slower than 3 times as stock. That performance would be just about as a PS4.
I hope you didn't watch the video and still make this comment.
Medieval Blast I think he was referring to the fact that this tiny thing with ideal temperatures will vastly outperform a PS4. If a PS4 implemented these technologies inside its current form factor, the possibilities are endless. Of course it costs more, but that one should be obvious, as these are considered high-end desktop-grade PC components.
Medieval Blast Do you think that the PS4 hardware costs only 400$? It costs way more, but you pay it off with all the expensive games you buy
psp785 What I think sochi is saying is that the cost of the computer is justified by the cheap games, that this little box despite its increased cost of entry, compares quite well to a PS4 in terms of actual cost.
*laughs at the current amazon price*
RetroWolfReviews how much is it
holy fuck....
Like over 1000 dollars.
that is not the real price
@Heavenlytwister Nani?!
8:09 .... Pretty much.
I already have a gaming notebook for when I'm away from my Desktop, it performs better than most of these little things so they haven't really impressed me yet.
So let me get this straight, this PC has a mobile processor but also has a GTX 760 desktop version
Gadai Bulgac Nope, it's the 760
I personally don't see why it needs to be so compact. Why not make it a cube and have a single 120MM fan cooling? surely it would be MUCH more effective and much cooler?
its gotta be compact so you can put it under your tv right next to your gaming console... so your gaming console can be jealous.
I love mini PCs, but not for serious stuff. Got one on my TV, for movies, and I'm planning to start streaming games on it too, but when it comes to actually running the game, or doing some graphics work, can't go wrong with a nice tower.
Oh, that thing is your pc? hehe, cute.
but when they see a big-ass tower case, they are more like:
Wow, is that a pc?! damn. That this is awesome. I wonder how powerfull it is.
(at least my friends are like that xD )
Same with mine man, but then ask them to take it to a LAN and see if they can put their massive tower in a backpack! :D
So people with Caselabs TX10-V must have the best performing PCs?
DavisSgt No. But they do not expect a powerfull pc in a very small case. And they do expect it in a large case.
Compensating for something? ;)
Except when you would compare this to a console. This is probably triple the power of an xbone and probably also triple smaller
100 years latter u will be able to run crysis 3 ultra 4k over 60fps in usb flash disk size pc lol
At that time, even a potato can run Crysis 3
Lance Lindle Lee lolz
at that time even an 100 years old pc would run crysis at those settings
At that time Crysis 3 is the oldest game alive, there's Crysis 17
End of moores law google it
Oh my god this video was just classic Linus
they should use water cooling.
+Sm00th TV Exactly, maybe a small version of watercooling without sacrificing too much size. I don't now if those are 60 or 80 mm fans, but that thing has potential.
+Sm00th TV Water cooling will not accomplish anything. Because the bottleneck in such a small system is the final step of exchanging the heat to air regardless of how you transport the heat.
Water cooling only equalizes temperature between a heat exchanger and the heat source. It has been successful in PC cooling for following reasons:
* Flexibility of mounting.
* Ability to mount a much larger area water radiator than a possible air cooler.
* Ability to eject hot air and avoid thermal short circuit.
However, if you look at this box's cooling system, it already avoids short circuiting and you also don't have anywhere to mount a larger radiator. Perhaps merely the area and gradient needs to be optimized, but phase change heat transport is more suitable here than water cooling.
And +Alkaid, apropos size. The BRIX Gaming is 60mm tall in total, and 11cm wide. The two fans are 50mm each.
***** The main source of heat is clearly the huge dedicated GPU in here, not the CPU. If i remember the video correctly, there were no thermal issues with the CPU either. The GPU however was very toasty and throttling.
Get a really small refrigerator and stick it in that.
Sure would be interesting to see this modified with some better cooling options.
Couldn't we just have a gtx 650 ti or maybe even a gtx 750ti. They are both good graphics cards and can easily do high fps for quite a few new games and they shouldn't overheat as much. Or u could use a r9 270(x)
But it doesn't sound as cool as a 760 does in the description... Stoopid Gigabyte.
I guess or we could just use liquid cooling and make the case slightly bigger, an inch on the top perhaps
I think geforce cards have better temps than radeon cards??
I thought they did but I was wondering about price rather than temps cause if u got the price down and made the case slightly bigger u could but liquid cooling in their which would be so much better.
Paddy Plays Liquid cooling would increase the form factor a little which would go against what they were aiming for. Adding a radiator and some proper ventilation to the top would solve a lot of the problems.
it should use the GTX 750 TI!
They should make it a bit bigger for a GTX 780, and a i7 with a bigger heatsink and fan lol
Why? the 750Ti is awful, and really bad
Your horrible. 750 Ti is able to be stable from my 350W PSU and No External Cords Needed
VivaLaVida99 It's "you're" not "your".
MrTofu28 So many people forget the difference Lol!
I want a PC small enough to fit in a classic gaming console while maintaining desktop class gaming. Of course, right now that's nothing more than a pipe dream, but the Iris Pro 6100 graphics do a surprisingly good job in surprisingly little space.
Why is it that whenever it's something about gaming, manufacturers use bright colors and wild designs.... my god.
I was wondering the same. I like to keep it simple
It seems they're all stuck in the 90's (or earlier).
Same goes with putting an X or a Z in the name (I'm looking at you, Nvidia)
SomethingCool51 Because who wants a Titan C?
LarryDaGamerGuy
Perhaps they could ditch the whole Titan nomenclature.
It is pretty obnoxious, in my opinion.
SomethingCool51 Just saying. Haha.
How did they do such a thing?
...must be a wizard.
Nope, I was wrong. By giving zero shit about real world performance
They should have just strapped on an Air Conditioner to it.
They stuffed everything they can fit inside, giving up pretty much all airflow and subsequently resulting in poor actual performance.
It was God.
I wouldn't mind if they added a liquid cooled radiator or some sort of heat pipe setup outside the main case. It would probably double it's size and increase the cost but it would make all that computing power actually useful and it would look pretty beastly.
can this run purble place at 60fps??
15FPS at 800x600, low textures.
"The way it's meant to be played"
James Buck only before it thermal throttles. You have to OC it to get 60 at all.
Who needs 6 GB VRAM with a GTX 760?
Lol who needs 8gb in the 880m? :) you don't need it but why complain about it? :D I would live to know I have extra VRAM just in case.
hellseagle21
For what case? In case the 2 (or 4) GB of the standard 760 aren´t enough, the chip is too weak to deliver good framerates.
There is no case when you could benefit from 6 GB Vram, unless you have a SLI-system.
hellseagle21 Why complain? Because of the cost.
While more Vram is nice both the 760 and the 880m don't have the GPU performance to make use of that kind of an amount of Vram so it will be wasted while simultaniosly driving up the cost.
So unless you are doing workstation type CUDA or OpenCL computing it is worthless paired with thoes GPUs.
TheBernhard100 Thank you very much.
I really don´t know where those "more Vram = better" guys keep coming from.
***** That sounds about right. 3GB VRAM is plenty for playing games in 4K resolution but the 760 is too weak a card to do it, despite having loads of VRAM. It's pretty pointless.
I always have a small desk fan that attaches via USB and I would just line it up with the cooling fans.
why am I watching this at 2:20 am...
It's 4:26 am here :p
5:30 am for me.
5.32 PM here :D I'm in the future!
KingEdgeHead its 4:30 here
3:35 for me
This pc would be fine if you were in college or something. Or if you traveled alot and you didn't want to hook up a huge rig every few days just to play for a few hours.
i came back just to see linus hyperventilating.
gets me every time
They should've put a 750 Ti in there. Much more power efficient. There wouldn't have been any throttling
Agreed!
Cakefish They used a GTX 870m, not a GTX 760.
Deth KittehHD Maxwell would have been a much better choice. Runs much cooler than Kepler.
Cakefish They should have waited for 970...
And at only $1500 lol.
i found this review to be most informative, thank you :)
That's the same size as a PSU :O
even smaller
Does the TARDIS come with it too?
Well, the TARDIS doesn't have cooling problems.
Zack Gibbs it does have heating issues
Sorry took me so long to look @ it. Nice Stream. That twitch Thing Worked.
92-93 degrees Celsius? WHAT THE FUCK
That's about 180 degrees •F
Resacky My laptop autokills at 212 F, maxes out at around 185 with an external full-size fan at max speed
my new PC desktop i built, processor goes up to 50 (doing nothing) to 92 F playing games at ultra 60 to more FPS is that normal? (im using an AMD 8350 with a Hyper 212 cooler)
My old gunked up GTX 260 idled at 80c (though would have dropped to around 65 if I had the fans running 100% all the time) and went over 100 while playing, still worked without problems lol. It would have started throttling at 105c but with the fans running at 100% it never reached that high. I even burned myself a couple of times with it, good times.
Resacky 50 at idle with a Hyper 212?
Not good, you should (If you haven't yet) get better thermal paste, and see if you have a bad mount, because unless where you're living is always hot at fuck, at 50 C idle is not good at all.
unless you're talking about 50 F, which is actually fine.
press 5 and 6
+gabie haha :D
+Sound of Generations in dont get it
you have to hear clearly to that what he says than ( fpu have to press 5 , and then 6, fast (sorry for bad english )
+LOoImine peepee and nipple
Press alt+f4, really magnificent trick. Next try the power button, that's also quite cool.
I have an i5 6400 and a gtx 745 lol.
I bet it was cheaper than that little green box!
What kind of computer doesn't even have the cooling power to run at stock speeds? The designers need to be fired.
Im pretty sure the numbers were not stock speeds, more like top speeds
They didn't think of heat dissipation. They just wanted to prove that you can pack powerful desktop hardware into a small box. Which of course you can... This is a really pointless product.
It is powerful Dumbass, TF2 on capped fps, bf4 ultra 60fps+ and more
GamingSoftwarePlays TF2 isn't actually demanding.
It's everything but an efficient solution. With more and more components available for the mini-itx platform, which allows for properly cooled, upgradable, and desktop grade components, I can't really think of a situation, where I would use a device like this. If a compact computer is needed, the mini-itx platform is the way to go. If a highly portable solution is needed, I would definitely prefer a laptop, or a tablet.
Could someone dumb this down for me is this better or worse than ps4 or xboxone
By far.
Better
blows the ps4 out of the water ... linus was talking MAXED out games at 1080p playing at over 40 fps .... a ps4 wont even come close to that..
Alex Milne Thanks for the replys
Shits on PS4 but runs too hot due to that performance level and small size (no room for adequate cooling solution).
I still think it'll run a bit better than PS4 despite that but if you actually put the thing inside somewhere really cold then you'd be blown away by the performance.
One of the funniest videos, you have posted.
Just no. It's bad thermal design, overpowered, undercooled components that simply aren't designed for such restricted airflow... doesn't make any sense. What *would* make sense is to design it around a heatsink and Peltier heatpumps, but with conventional copper ducts and restricted thermal dissipation, just no. Bad.
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Yeah is true. Thermal throttling sucks. But if you put that little box on a very cold room. The throtolling gets reduce and may be able for that little box tonus it's full potential.
But ... can it run crysis ?
Deva Pramana yeah 720 p ultra
But will it run Minesweeper?
maybe at .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 fps
Good 'nuff
At 144p , 3 fps can
Yes, what doesn't run minesweeper?
+MSG Wow what a joke.
I love to listen to you while doing work
Turn down for what? Heat. We turn down for heat. ;n; #ThermalThrottleMasterRace LinusTechTips
dat commercial segue XD
You mean 'segue' right? Not trying to be a snob. Just trying to understand.
Prithvi Singh
yup, thanks for the correction :)
i really dig those mini PCs. but i think for this one perticularly they could have increased the box just a little bit to put a bigger heatsink and allow more air to mass through... only a couple of cm would make huge difference.
$900 for it, bit much
That wouldn't be much if the ram and SSD/HDD would make it total $900. But with 8GB of ram, 120GB SSD and 1TB 2.5" HDD it would be nearly $1200. But this is very innovative move from Gigabyte. Hope we'll see the same concept with Intel Skylake cpu, Nvidia Maxwell gpu and some DDR4 memory. Same or higher performace but a lot lower power consumption and thermal output. Totally functional concept after about 1-2 years.
EvoFinClan yeah. This seems more about the innovation than practicality. If it ran cooler, I could see this as being the perfect candidate for a living room bound steam box.
DrigrX Lol, I had a thought, this thing is so tiny I could just put it in my mini fridge while playing games, cooling problem solved.
can you submerge this pc into mineral oil and cool it that way? :-)
Aaron Mitchem You can also put a lighter to that mineral oil and it surprisingly cools!!
Sylas Cash Mineral Oil will be able to remove heat quicker and more efficiently but i figure that some of the plastic parts will break down and it could be a difficult fun challenge.
you guys or another tech channel should do a video where you mount one of these inside a mini fridge and see if it gets any better!
I still can't believe this video was 8 years ago
Honestly I would use this at school or in a work place, but if I were doing more than casual gaming, I would just stay with my huge desktop rig I already have, but it is a great concept
Now we have low TDP Broadwell. Can't wait to see something like this with broadwell
Here's something cool that might help these little box PCs in the future. Graphene is a material has almost no resistance, meaning very little heat and faster electric flow (almost the speed of light) between components on the motherboard and the power supply. This means it would conduct data to and from the components more quickly, and because of the high efficiency and low heat, more power-hungry components could be put to use. Cool, eh?
i feel like it would be cheaper just to develop less power hungry components. I mean the gtx 1050 ti outperforms this thing massively and it pulls a lot less power.
think if the exterior of the case was redesigned airflow could be improved or if they prebuilt it with an extended heat sink that went into some of the free space between the upper pcb and the 2.5 inch drive. as LinusTechTips said if it could just get rid of the heat more effectively then it would be better.
pretty cool concept and with some more builds im sure they will make a really good one. but there is always going to be somthing better about having a big glowing desktop with a viewing panel so when people see it they can go whaaat! thats a monster that runs on small animals lol (my personal view) thanks linus grate video as always
Ya know, I really kinda like a silent PC. I recently got a Corsair H60. It makes really great silence. Anyway, onto the BRIX, it's perfectly fine by me. And heat is kinda bit of a problem to me, although sometimes it's perfectly fine to run hot.
Wow! Wingnuts! I'm definitely going to subscribe to that ...oooh waaait a second! Why youuuuuu!!!!! I was trying to make a Yosemite Sam impression, lol.
They could make the brix taller by a few inches, flip the gpu board around, and have a 4 inch tall copper heatsink with an 80mm fan on it dedicated to just the 760. Would be a much better thermal solution.