Porsche Cayenne e-Hybrid Platinum Edition: Value & not just in money.
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- MotoMan returns to the @Porsche Cayenne world in a flavor we have not driven before: The Porsche Cayenne e-Hybrid Platinum Edition. Based on the 455 HP Porsche Cayenne e-Hybrid, this Porsche Cayenne adds a unique mix of equipment as standard. That is all fine & good, but does combining a bit more dollar value with a PHEV system translate to a better overall package?
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I just got one of these and the plug in hybrid is the best mix of economy for work commutes and performance. I feel validated after your review. Haha. They are also increasing the battery size for 2023. Great work as always.
Correction for 2024 is the increased battery size and 50% more electric HP. But the engine is detuned so overall torque drops and overall HP only up 8
@@joetacchino4470 that’s correct. Thanks!
@@joetacchino4470 I would take current e hybrid over 2024 because I want these as more gasoline and less electric DNA over the other way around. Detuned turbo engine is big NO for me. and I am happy with 25 miles of current range, that is basically my 60-70% average daily run is (school runs, grocery, etc.) for weekend I have nice 350hp gasoline engine to play with coupled with 110hp electric motor thus overall 460hp
What mileage do you get?
@@ladityaraj4116 it varies but usually I get between 500-600 miles on a tank of gas. That's with charging daily at home or at work or both.
Porsche is still rocking in dash infotainment rather than a "tablet" on top.
I own this car and here are the cons:
1. Comfort seats are too wide, feels like I’m falling out when turning left or right, get sports seats if you can
2. The shiny plastics on the steering wheel squeek
3. Leather on the front seats will get damaged after a few weeks as you get in and out of the car. It’s going to look horrible after a few months.
3. For me the EV range is just 35-40km in the EV mode, the electric motor is so weak that trying to speed up uphill is incredibly slow, so using EV mode only makes sense in stop and go traffic with no hills.
4. Air suspension feels super soft in the city, car feels like a boat so I set it in the extra sport mode and then it feels ok (still not harsh). In high speeds, the standard suspension setting feels perfect.
5. Soft close doors kinda work on and off.
6. Trunk is super tiny but I knew that.
I have now owned the car for a year, it’s somewhat of a dissapointment, but in metalic white with black accents, sports design look and 21” matte wheels, it looks beautiful. No quality/reliability issues so far, engine sounds great (only had 4-cyl before).
35-40 km at what speed? E-Power is intended for speeds < 45 mph, for urban driving, for which you should get 30 miles (50 km) of range
@@cbatiau2528 city plus short stretches at 100 - 120kmh (60 - 80mph) so yeah, I guess that’s the reason. I was told that the face lifted Cayenne will have double the range and extra 30hp in EV mode
This is NOT meant to be driven as an EV, this is meant to be driven as a hybrid! The way the computer uses the electric motor in "H" mode makes that clear. It really does use much less gas, in Hybrid mode. I would argue that it is not even about performance, unless you are in S or S+ of course. I have a 23 Cayenne E-Hybrid and a 21 Rav4 Prime, the later could be used as an EV, it even feels fast in EV mode and gets about 45 miles of range. The Cayenne in E mode, is a dog but Motoman is correct, it will get around 29 miles most of the time, although I've had mine indicate 32 miles of range on a full charge, a few times. It is a Porsche and even though I have only 490 miles on mine and have been trying to break the gas motor in...if that is really even possible; I much prefer driving in S or S+ and this is PERFECT for taking your kids to school and driving around in a NICE family car with less impact on the environment. That being said, the HV mode on this vehicle, is very good and you really don't use a lot of gas driving in hybrid mode as the ICE really doesn't kick in unless you are over 20 mph or you floor it.... Also, even in E mode, if you floor it, the gas motor kicks in, which is interesting to me! I am a major Toyota hater at this point but, I will tell you this, their hybrid system is AMAZING in the Rav4 Prime. It is also a MUCH smaller vehicle!
Hi Tommy, thanks for the intel. Couple questions for you: 1st, if had to do all over again, would you still purchase the EV cayenne. 2nd: in hybrid mode, what is your mpge? Also I'm waiting for the 2024 e-hybrid model to come out and porsche states the EV battery should be bumped up to a 25.9 kilowatts of capacity. So that should extend the EV range. That said, I wholeheartedly agree with your point about driving this bad boy in hybrid mode vs EV mode especially if a person is looking to maximize their gas mileage. Last question good sir; is it fun to drive in S and S+? Thank you in advance for any information you can provide 👍🏽
@@rong8889 I think so. I think the S feels more performance oriented, this is a happy medium between a base and an s with better MPG and the ability to drive it straight E, if you want. If you're looking for a better handling/sportier feel, get an S, if you can get an allocation, otherwise it is a very nice ride with a lot of tech. Mine has RWS, PDCC and the sport tips...not the full exhuast, its just too much for a better sound...especially on an PHEV. Mine was 115k. It also has the soft close doors and like one other commenter stated, the soft close doors arent what they use to be. I would NOT recommend them anymore, they actually suck now.. The old ones, you could open at any angle and they would hold, these dont do that, they do soft close but who cares... The one thing about all these PHEVs that Ive driven is that they are not user friendly at all. It takes so much to manually do things it is silly!
Most E-Hybrid buyers since the upgrade to 14-kWh battery pack came out in 2018 actually do get them to drive in all-electric mode as much as possible - from the online forums, and I’m one of them. Oliver Blume said as much in his annual press conference last March …
@@cbatiau2528 It is VERY slow in E mode AND if you romp on it, it will turn the Gas motor on, this is totally different than say the RAv4 Prime. You can push the peddle down in it all the way and hit 60 and the engine wont come on. In the Cayenne, as soon as you push the peddle down all the way and you hit 30, it turns the gas motor on. Very different vehicles and uses of a hybrid power-train. I will say though, after having this a month and having broken it in...whatever that means on this thing, S+ is pretty fast!
@@tommy516 Yes, I had an '18 Panamera 4 E-Hybrid -- same thing, and it was frustrating (i.e., how our '21 RAV4 Prime is so much better in electric mode, as is our '22 XC60 T8 ER). And I tried really hard to buy a Cayenne E-Hybrid the last 4-5 years but could not because of these problems with the electric motors (bad range; weak hp; lack of being able to keep the ICE from coming on). But the 2024 Cayenne E-Hybrid will have a battery pack that's 1.44x larger than the 2023 E-Hybrids, and the RUclips videos that came out a week or two ago of the test drives in southern California indicate that these problems will be all fixed (i.e., 45 miles of real-world electric range likely, much stronger oomph with the ICE off, and ability to stay in all-electric mode with more acceleration). Yes, the current E-Hybrids can go to 86 mph without the ICE coming on, but they have to be "babied" to get there. The RAV4 Prime with it's 18-kWh battery pack will still likely get more all-electric range than the 2024 E-Hybrids, which is a shame, but then the E-Hybrids have a much-superior drivetrain with the electric motors and ICE both able to power all four wheels (something that Toyota and Volvo have not accomplished).
I have a 2022 Cayenne Hybrid. I also loaded it up with options. Everything is a la carte on these cars. Never understood why they just didn’t come with the additional features that we all want. They charge over $500 to have a built in phone charger. Crazy. I do really love the car. It has excellent workmanship and materials, is very quick, handles well and is quiet.
I do want to mention that I completely agree with the reviewer that the electric motor needs more range. If I use the AC (we all do), I think that the range is closer to 17mpg. Makes no sense that a $115k hybrid can’t give you a 40 to 50 mile electric range.
The hybrid mode on the car works the electric motor into the mix of gas and electric for efficiency. When I use this the overall range in this mode before the battery runs out of juice is about 60 miles. The real question day to day is how far do we drive. I have to charge it every single time I come home at night. Wish I didn’t have to charge it that often.
I have asked Porsche if they are going to improve the electric range. I don’t see it happening since I expect an all electric version of this car in the next couple of years.
2024 E-Hybrid will be announced in April with 26-kWh battery pack
How fast do you drive to only get 17 miles of all-electric range? Others are getting 31 miles
Note two things: (1) PHEVs are designed to drive in all-electric mode only < 45 mph for best practicality, and driving range in all-electric mode when driving > 55 mph is therefore meaningless as a figure; and (2) Porsche is bringing out a 25.9-kWh battery pack in its E-Hybrids this year (model year 2024) to greatly expand all-electric range (game-changer). People should get 45-50 miles of all-electric range in the 2024 e-hybrids when driving around town < 45 mph, as I do most days
If you live in one of the top 25 largest metros in the country (like most people do) a PHEV is a perfect solution. I own a PHEV Volvo that gets 33-40 miles of electric range depending on the weather in frigid MN and I almost never use gas. Only on road trips and when I want to smoke that claptrap Civic Si next to me. If you keep any PHEV plugged in at night (I use a standard 110v outlet in my garage) you are getting significantly better fuel economy than the base engine (I’m close to 66 MPGe). Also, with the Federal Tax Credit (hate it or love it) the MSRP was the same as the engine just below in the lineup.
Exactly! That’s why Porsche is putting 26-kWh battery packs in their E-Hybrids starting w model year 2024
Platinum= refresh is just around the corner so let's shift these
In my case, I literally would have bought every single option the platinum trim has. So the fact that I saved about $3k buying the platinum vs a standard car and also get some exclusive touches like the gray emblems was a bonus. Sure it’s just a model run out, but if it works, hey, why not.
600 pounds doesn't seem too bad for a large-ish battery.
But to be worse in economy, that's impressive even with the added weight.
We agree on a bigger battery pack. I would love to see a way bigger battery pack in the Cayenne. Not only that. DC charging as well.
Porsche's problem seems to be that their way of building cars is just HEAVY.
Right now the cramped Taycan Turbo S is like 400 lb heavier than the Tesla Model S Plaid. That's not amazing. One brand just tries harder. And Lucid tries even harder.
An eco 3-cyl doesn't need to sound bad (Koenigsegg Gemera), can save lots of weight. A good battery and still light.
@@Cloxxki the Tesla weighs less primarily because it uses much cheaper materials for the build other than the EV powertrain. And has a lot less equipment. Also, 50% bigger battery coming to this car for 2024 refresh
Oh, and DCFC is not happening for a PHEV. Once you do that, you have to deal with the heat of DCFC and that changes the battery chemistry and cooling needs. More weight and $$ when you already have two power plants. You want to DCFC, then buy a full BEV.
@@joetacchino4470 There are multiple plug-in hybrids that can charge DC.
26-kWh battery is coming w 2024 Cayenne E-Hybrid
Plug ins we’re never meant to have 100 mile range. It’s the weight balance that cannot be overcome without new battery technology
A review to the point. Thanks a lot!
My pleasure!
I’m waiting on mine, but for our family’s use case, this fits the bill perfectly. We live in a place where electricity is cheap, and we have mostly a bunch of short commutes / trips. I got the faster charger to charge it up between trips. As Motoman said, you do get better MPG than it’s rated because the hybrid is always looking to shut off the gas engine, and it does it so smoothly. A friend of mine who is an EV owner has one of these and can’t believe how much time it spends with the engine off. Even though it’s only rated for 30 miles or so of range, if you take a 150 mile trip, you might spend 50 or 60 miles with the engine not running. It’s always charging back using regen and then using that for torque fill or sailing when coasting or idling. Hence Motoman’s observed consumption in the high 20’s. Moreover, it also has EV attributes of preconditioning and the ability to wait in the car with all HVAC and accessories without running the engine. With kids and living in the south, this helps.
We owned a Tesla for 4 years and know very well the pros and cons of road tripping with a BEV. We didn’t get a full BEV SUV because there aren’t enough choices, the CCS network isn’t great (and living in the South we take some longer road trips) and also feel like the technology is advancing so rapidly that we didn’t want to buy an expensive car that’s even more outdated than usual. Porsche’s PHEV implementation is very smooth and more than a sum of its parts.
Having said that, I’m sad that I didn’t get the 2024 with the extra 8 kW of battery, faster charger and more electric HP. But supply chain being what it is, I realistically feel like it would be another 12-18 months before we could get one in our hands. And I also expected a significant price jump. Oh well.
People focus too much on the EV only range of a PHEV. It’s not a full BEV. It’s more about how much time it can spend with the ICE off while underway than full EV range. When the EV only range is up, you’re not just lugging around a dead battery and a useless motor. The battery still has charge, is still contributing to the driving, and still recovering energy using regen that would be wasted on the friction brakes. So yes, more range is nice, but not crucial
This is exactly the same reason we got ours. We’ve had a Tesla for three years and are actually getting rid of it after we bought this one. This is the best of both worlds of EV only for around town commutes and being able to take long trips without having to wait for charging. That matters more when you’re hauling children who aren’t so patient. Lol.
@@GammaPanda We traded my Model 3 in on ours. Still miss some things about that car. But much, MUCH I don’t.
I disagree, as a buyer of three PHEVs so far, including an E-Hybrid … I (and most PHEV buyers) buy PHEVs to do as much local driving as possible without the ICE ever coming on. This is why Porsche is putting 26-kWh battery packs in their E-Hybrids starting model year 2024
Your correct on wait time with the 2024 e hybrid addition. I got an allocation the day it came out April 18th, 2023 and my vehicle still hasn't been built. So with all this waiting, I upgraded my allocation to the S E-hybrid. Unfortunately it isn't scheduled to get here until mid July. On tap to have waited for 15 months 🤦🏾♂️
i love your videos but this time you didnt play my favorite game...and i was waiting
Appreciate the feedback, Shmuel! Trying some episodes in a shorter, easier to shoot format that would enable us to take a look at cars that we have either already driven in a slightly different form or cars we normally don't feature on the show and garner few views.
Fully in agreement with summary/wish list
I really really want this beaut of a car
I’d buy this in Panamera garb and get it with the PDK
If only Porsche made a panamera cross turismo, then I’d say yeah
The thing with bigger batteries: the added weight is not too bad. You get to use cheaper and lighter (/kWh) range cells and the power you get out is still enough.
If EVs can be made that don't suck, the whole floor 10cm raised... Surely one can be built with only 1/3 that pack (enough power with even the cheapest cells), and mate it to an ACTUALLY smart ICE. Like Koenigsegg Gemera. 2L, 3-cyl, hydraulic valves, 600 hp. Downtune it to 400 hp and it's still epic (also sounding). 400 hp ICE+ 200 hp hybrid, it's really EASY with such a solution and way durable. AND LIGHT. Bro, the Gemera doesn't even need a gearbox, just does with the torque converter. All the way to 255 mph. The EV boost is there for the lower speeds, torque converter doubles the revs when needed, valve system maximizes torque down low to give the battery a bit of a break. Is Porsche even trying here?
What do you mean is Porsche even trying? You do realize the Gemara is over a million dollars right?
@@joetacchino4470 Porsche is holding back. They could do much better in terms of packaging and weight.
Sure Gemera is expensive, but that comes from the low production run and exotic materials more so than the cost from the drivetrain design. Built in larger series with more modest materials and power figures, it could be priced like a decked out Porsche Panamera. The engineering is just so good, for a production run that's a small monetary value even with multi-million costing cars.
The new Base Cayenne is sooo good... far better than the base Macan
The real world range of just 20 or so EV miles is on the short side of the needed range in suburban America. Thirty real miles would be a minimum (stated 40-45) with 60 - 100 miles being the targeted goal needed for the average busy schedule. This isn’t Europe with street side charging or with charging that can be found at most employers. That is not Porsche’s problem but this is their market and if they want to exponentially increase their e-hybrid sales they’ll exponentially increase the range. As usual, the wish list is really just great practical advice for this huge market. #greatanalysis
If you look at the distribution of driving, it's surprising the % who drive 50 miles means your lugging around a heavier, more expensive battery that will very rarely be used outside long trips where gas engine will be doing most of the work anyways.
Your assessment of PHEV range is not aligned with the data on daily commutes. 20 miles of range means majority of buyers will do majority of daily commuting in pure EV - that's huge. This is particularly true for luxury PHEV buyers, who tend to live in metro areas whose commutes are long in time but short in distance. 100 mile PHEV range is actually a very inefficient engineering solution.
Fair point however my experience with MANY of these Porsche PHEVs as well as others is that they don't reliably deliver their stated range. Hence the need for a 'buffer' of sorts as well as taking into account battery degredation.
@@MotoManTV Yes agreed. Upcoming range gains like Volvo's new Recharge or the 2024 Cayenne will vastly expand benefit. My main point is that today's ~20 mile range is still valuable for many US buyers (not just EU). I believe ~40 miles is a better solution than 100 for most people.
Thanks for the reply 👍
Totally agree that the world of hybrid needs more EV range- to do that in the current configuration wouldn’t work as there physically isn’t enough space- the configuration that works best is the range extender model think i3REX , i8, or Chevy Bolt- ditch the gearbox’s and large ICE motor, drop in 450hp of electric motors and a 4/3 cylinder ICE engine purely as a generator- instant EV torque and smoothness and more range less complexity than this Cayanne - would you consider this Porsche enough?
Motoman, what you're driving is not a baby buggy. 😏
It's for successful real estate agents who are environmentally conscious but want the badge to brag about. 👌
Can't really argue with that statement.
787lbs heavier than my Cayenne which is more like the Cayenne Touring in the line-up of heavy weight Cayennes
18way seat is not standard, you were showing the 8way seat
You are half correct. The 18-way seat is not standard but the seat shown in this example is the optional 14-way seat.
An "extra 600lbs for mediocre mpg?! Another classic case of German unobtanium at it;s best.
Is Porsche even trying here?
Budget Chinese hybrids DO get a large battery allowing to rarely need the ICE.
Every Porsche engineer needs to study Koenigsegg Gemera, and write an essay on how Porsche could copy or buy all the best bits, to serve its customers to the fullest.
26-kWh battery pack in Porsche E-Hybrids starting later this year (model year 2024)
The worst thing about this PHEV and most PHEVs and why its just better to get an EV, is they are WAAAAY too complex. We need the Steve Jobs Apple to intervene. For instance, if you want to not use the battery up or charge the battery while driving this, you have to be in H, then you have to go into the car screen and then into the charge menu and choose what you want the car to do...its too much, three menus deep is a lot! The Rav4 prime is a bit easier to charge or change the HV/EV dynamics but still, running in charge mode is like an easter egg in a video game... PHEVs are okay but EV's are better. When do I get my car Rivian?!?!?!
I owned a Tesla for 4 years and chose not to get a BEV SUV. Why? Because the CCS charging network is a disaster here and when we road trip, it’s far, and the trips we take would add significant charging time and anxiety to the trip. That’s our use case. I wish there were more choices for a full sized BEV SUV as well. The Rivian is nice, but it’s a startup and I’ll wait until they work the bugs out. So while I really love BEV’s, they aren’t right for everyone’s use case and sometimes a PHEV makes more sense.
Anyone getting EV has to get another vehicle, why ever buy a EV? Plug-in is easily a far better value. EVs are really for people who have limited range of driving and don't mind waiting forever for re-charge.
Without a doubt the range is pretty poor
A gilded lily in my opinion.
My Vette gets better mpg. Hondas have Bose stereos. Why would anyone buy this
Cause they need to haul stuff or people. Your vette does neither.
Porsches are not for people who benchmark Hondas and Porsche is fine with that.
1. Your Vette hauls 3 less people and about 33% as much cargo. Not even a valid comparison. 2. Bose was an option but parts supply shortages have killed it temporarily.
Overly heavy and useless hybrid. I got 20 miles per charge tops. I had nothing but problems with the battery system on mine and got rid of it after 2 years. Only good thing about the car was the lime green calipers. Porsche can’t give these things away.
26-kWh battery pack in E-Hybrids later this year… I totally agree on pre-2024 E-Hybrids being a joke
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