Guitar Pickups : Fishman Fluence into Strandberg Boden OS7
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- In this video, I review the Strandberg Boden OS7 as well as take you through the step-by-step installation of the new Fishman Fluence 7 pickups.
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>Changed EMGs to Fishman due to aggressive highs.
>Prefers the Fishman setting with aggressive highs.
Joking. Sounds great man, and amazing work with the installation.
Why the fuck am I watching all these Strandberg setup videos? I can't even afford a Strandberg.
Me too lol
same here
Same dude haha
It's called GAS without the expense.
Don't actually sick the foam down you'll regret it if you need to change it or decided to go back and solder in the coil tap option. Plus it doesn't come off nice it's messy and meant to be permenent. A better option if you have to stick it down would be to stick it inside the pup cavity. That's what I've done on my fishman installs after my first set.
In this video: Never install Fishman Pickups in a Strandberg Boden OS7. Good job!
awesome you saved me an hour of my life
Michael Barla
That means it's going to take me 4x that lol
but it's really worth it. you swap the worst active pickups with the best active pickups after all.
Nice video, this is by far the best Fishman install video on RUclips, even five years later.
The guitar was violated at 16:10
hahahahahaahaha
I absolutely loathe the 707x in my OS7... but that drill is a big NOPE from me. :(
You should have done a comparison between the EMG and the Fishman.
Nevertheless, amazing quality of content on this channel! Kudos.
Thanks man! As you can probably tell from the run time of this video, this thing was a marathon to film & I just didn't have the energy to plan a comparison haha. The EMG's would be pretty easy to pop back in & just use the Fishman harness so I may do that comparison in the future.
You can add "copy links at the current time" for the before, and after the pickup swap to your "more information section" at the very least, that way people can jump to each section, and listen.
This how-to video helped and friend and I tremendously when we were installing the Fluences in his Ibanez RGA42FM. Thank you so much! We would have been lost otherwise because all the wiring guides we found were all for a 4 knob setup and we had a two knob setup.
+raygunpyle That's awesome man! Glad to hear this helped!
And 707's and 707-x's have no difference between neck and bridge, it's the same pickup in a different position
Interesting, I was unaware that EMG only makes THE 707x, rather than a bridge / neck set. Makes sense why I thought the neck pickup sounded like a bridge pickup in the neck position!
I'm thinking about getting a strandberg with the fluence pickups but I'd like to add the batterypack, do you think there is enough space for it?
Firstly, thanks for taking the time to upload the vid, a lot of work on top of the actual guitar mods, but.... The original pickups sounded fizzy and thin, and the Fishmans didn't sound particularly better to me. Maybe a clean tone would have shown the difference better, but with that much gain, almost impossible to tell. Thanks again for the time you spent though!
I can see why the difference would be hard to hear. After filming this video I actually went bacon & added the -6db jumpers to the Fishmans which really made them more dynamic. I plan on pulling them back out again to add coil splitting, something the EMG's simply aren't capable of.
You went bacon? Mmmmm... bacon....... Uh, where was I? Oh, yes, the Fishmans are definitely more versatile if they can be tapped/split, so a definite plus point there.
Does adding both jumpers change the sound for both options of the push pull? Or only on one of them? I'm having trouble finding info on how it changes the overall function. I have single volume and tone (2 knob installtion).
32:27 - This was amazingly helpful. My guitar has a jack just like this and I wasn't sure how to wire it. Thanks!
Is that a 5-way switch or a 3-way switch? I'm thinking of purchasing the Modern Fluences for my new custom 7-string and I would love to know if it is possible to use a 5-way switch with them so that postitions 2 & 4 would be split like they normally are with pickups.
Nice install dude. It’s great to see you taking consideration to the placement of wires. Too many videos just have dudes ruin all the hard work by shoving all the cables in at the end
Thanks 👍
I know this video is from 7 years ago so maybe this wasn't an option back then with the fishmans, but if it was, why didn't you opt to use two push pull pots for more tonal voicings instead of one push pull and one non push pull?
Mine came with the same diagram but with 2 push/pulls, One for tone and one for volume. Using this diagram, which is the one that i also got, leaves volume push pull useless. I dunno why is that. Any advice would be appreciated since i cant make mine work since its draining battery even without the guitar cable plugged in.
I thought you didnt need to ground with an active setup? Im tempted to do this as i want the boden standard with the light coloured neck but also want the fishmans which they dont seem to sell
Great video man. Just had a question regarding the -6db jumper you later installed. What lead you to install the jumper ? What benefits did you see in adding them?
Why did you have to ground the saddles like that? It was active before, what's the difference with how it was grounded previously? I am installing these in a guitar that previously had passive pickups.. so the bridge is already grounded.. I shouldn't have this issue I dont think.
Hey man I know this is old but did you ever actually do that swap? My friend and I both have strandbergs and I want to switch my fluences into his guitar which has the passive lace humbuckers. Did you find that the guitar with the passive pickups was already properly grounded?
Installing fishman fluence are not that hard. It's the same as normal wiring but you have tons of options that fishman doesn't do a good job explaining. You figure it out but it should all be explained with the diagram included with the pickups. They touch on everything but it's not enough if you've never installed them before. I've done it twice and after the fist time and messing with the first set for a year I could do it a third time in my sleep. Don't let them intimidate you basically. They all sound great except the Stephen carpenter bridge pup was very disappointing. I highly recommend starting with a basic modern alnico/ceramic set. It's the best introduction to fishman(if you play metal/ extended range. My set is on a 7 string ltd) and the best crowd pleaser. I'm looking forward to trying the classics and then single coils with my 6 strings.
Hi, I have a question, I want to buy a Strandberg Standard, 8 strings, with strandberg passive pickups. Do you think I need active pickups in a 8 strings, or passive strandberg pickups can be also okay?
passive pickups are okay
actives are more compressed, more even cleans but sometimes muddy lows
@@caixiuying8901 I feel like actives have tighter lows (more like they've been hi-passed higher aka less low end) and brighter highs. but that's just me.
I got the boden 8 standard (passive strandberg pups) and I decided to get tosin signature set because I feel like the passive pups are muddy and the single coils are pretty noisy. I havent installed them yet though
Hey, in my package l didn’t get any high he sort foam...- where can l find them, how can l purchase them, where from if nothing from Fishman...? Any idea?
Also if l might have a different Volume- the Neck is louder than the Bridge one- do u think they might be defective, or is it normal? (which l don’t think it it...) thanks
how would you bridge ground without a zero fret? just got a set and i'm about to install them into an ibanez rgim. it also has the individual bridges for each string.
If the Ibanez has a tremelo they usually already have a small ground bridge wire..just keep it mounted at the tremelo side,de-solder the wire at back of original volume pot,install pot that comes with the Fishman and solder the wire to the back of the pot like normal.
Can I install fishman modern on a guitar that only has a one volume knob.
yes. Did it to my Jeff Loomis Schecter.
@@robertlawson1184 so how would that work. It work as a push pull and volume knob. Did u change the pot ?
@@chucky4000 Yeah, change the pot and use the weird pot that has the big circuit on the back that came with the wiring kit and then simply follow the diagram. Kind of straight forward. Seymour Duncan website also has lots of good wiring diagrams for guidance. Took me about 20 minutes. However, the fishman doesnt sound as good as my original Jeff Loomis pickups so im changing it back soon. I do have a video on my youtube with the Fishman modern if you want to hear it in drop C tuning.
@@robertlawson1184 ok cool thanks. I'm gonna install the fishman modern. On my charvel joe duplantier signature tele.
@@chucky4000 Great Whalecore guitar
Maybe Im being dumb but keep seeing the moderns split coiled
But I cant figure put how they are split on the RGD71AL MS... theres not enough knobs for active passive vs split.
*confused face*
Will be faster and safer to drill from the saddle to the pickup hole, and pass the cable through there.
That's probably how I would do it now. When I shot this video I was following the official strandberg tutorial.
Very cool and detailed install video. Nice work. Do you think that the pickups would work with the EMG solder-less quick connect push pull potentiometers?
+Phor Phit I can't say for sure but I don't see any reason why not. Same connectors & the pots are the same resistance.
I guess the only problem with guitars that small is that it's a bit hard to do mods on them so that everything fits because they were made to specific specs so that they could be the size that they are. Nice work arounds though! :3
I always thought that the whole no headstock "steinberger" design died off, there definitely coming back, unfortunately Gibson is only using steinberger for its gearless tuners
RJ Maksym
It didn't die off for good. It was mostly bassist that went with them. Recently, like mid-late 2000's, was there a resurgence, mostly because of Ola Strandberg.
I thought the concept came back with the Floyd Rose speedloader more than anything
RJ Maksym haha wow I remember that failure. Very cool concept, but unless every string manufacturer is willing to make speedloader set, then you are extremely limited in gauges and such.
If I remember, those guitars actually did have headstocks, just not tuners?
higler420
I was a fan of the Speedloader. Allowed for headless guitars and it was the only hardtail bridge Floyd Rose made.
And yeah, a bunch of Speedloader guitars still came with headstocks. KK Downing had 3 - 4 custom guitars with the Speedloader trem. The kicker is that EVERY one of those guitars had headstock. If you see pictures of his KXK, you can see they're strung up, but there's no strings leading to the tuners. Rather odd way of doing things.
I'm sure the Speedloader might have had a hand, but it really came back into prominence once fusion, jazz, and progressive players started using them again a few years ago.
Skippy McStringStrum Ha, wow I just google KK's KXK's and you aren't kidding, he has the speedloader, but 6 "dummy" tuning pegs for that "classic" or "vintage" look haha
I bought a pair of FF classics for a les paul type and have an ESP ec-1000fr with only 3 pots (2 vol 1 tone). The diagram shows all 4 pots being required for use.
Am I doomed to have a custom shop drill out a new tone pot for the four that come with it, or is it possible to wire up on 3 pots?
Basically I don't care about the single coil voicing, but also don't want to toss the Fishmans in the bucket of wasted money because I don't really want to spend a ton of money at a custom shop specifically for the Fishmans...
Can you solder to the push pull tower itself? Or does it have to be to the pot?
The tower is totally fine
When he holds the guitar in the playing stance, it looks like he's ready to play the ukelele! lol! Still, awesome guitar and another great video!
Great video...was very helpful in general (not having a Boden myself)...care to share the Blackmore patch..? can't seem to find it anywhere on the Rig Exchange...
Thanks for this video! I have been exploring sounds for a little over a year and I haven't been happy with the way the pickups sounded due to a single-coil/double coil set up I found on youtube which I initially used in order to get the max out of the pickups. After reverting to this particular setup I now have the tones I wanted out of these pickups. I still think Fishman should upgrade the wiring diagrams to better fit types of guitars. I have a question, how did you install the -6db jumper? can you send me a picture? I can't find the Fishman pickup box and I don't remember seeing jumpers in the package.
I am looking to put some Fishman's in a Epiphone SG Prophecy I just picked up. Is it necessary to get rid of the wiring for the EMG's since both pickups are active??
Sickman Comics Yes, fishman are 25k push pull with tons of wiring options( easy to do ). You'd be doing the pickups a disservice if you didn't change them and select your ideal settings.
If you didn't hear the pups come with all the wiring you need and all the pots and input jack. Everything you'll need for any option is there. At first I just wired them with one push pull for voice switching but then decided to go with two push pulls later so I could also coil tap. So tone knob switches voicings and volume knob switches coil tap on/off.
Great video. I'm contemplating putting a set of Pegasus/Sentient passive pickups from another guitar into my OS7, so this video is a big help. Love the channel; keep it up.
wow really cool, thnx for sharing this video. i cant make a decision if it cost or not, to buy this humbuckers and can u advise me something?
I bought the Fishman Fluence Modern set. I watched this video and thought it shouldn't be a problem to instal. The new ones don't look like the ones in this video. The pickups now have small tabs on each side for the screws, I tried mounting them in my Agile Interceptor 7 string to find they won't fit, they are a 1/4" too wide. The stock pickups are Seymour Duncan. Waste of an afternoon. Now I have to rewire my guitar and return these cause I am not drilling holes in my guitar. How can there not be a mounting standard for these pickups?
There is. You order them in either active mount (soapbar) or passive mount (tabs)
Drill bits aren't in millimeters in the states.????
Love that rhythm tone, super thick but articulate! I take it that's coming from the Kemper behind you?
+TheGallery213 Yup! This is one of my favorite profiles I've come across, it's an ENGL Blackmore from RUserious on the Kemper rig exchange.
Sounds fantastic :D
Where is thew link for the short barrel ibanez jack?
are these custom or do they fit right into the EMG size? I'm getting an OS7 soon and looking to replace the EMG's eventually. Thanks!
That neck holder thing you've got is really nice...What is that? I'm gonna get one :)
I'd kill for a Strandberg 7 string, or a Parker 7 string...Maybe I can sell my Ibanez RG 1527-M and get one one day.
I'm actually probably going to get the Fluence set in a few weeks...The stock Ibanez pups weren't that great; they were the V77/87 or whatever...I swapped them out for DiMarzio D-Activators...Those were a little better, but not really what I was looking for in terms of high gain tones.
I was going to get the EMG 57/66 7 string versions, but the one thing I love about the Fluences is that you can coil tap and parallel them -- with EMGs you can't do that; you'd have to get the "Dual Mode" ones, and even then, it's two pickups in one casing, not quite the same thing as the FF's.
So really, the Fluences actually do have *more* than two voicings.
My one fear though is that they will be *too* loud, but I can't imagine that the vintage voicing is going to be that insane.
I do like to play clean on this guitar from time to time...I love doing tapping \ Tosin Abasi style stuff; hence the need for coil tapping and parallel wiring.
The neck holder is the stewmac neck cradle for electric guitars. I love my strandy 7 but honestly, the 1527m is an amazing guitar. It has my favorite non-endurneck neck profile ever. Basically just a -slightly- beefier wizard profile. I actually really like the 7-string D-Activators as well! That being said, the Fluences are amazing. I ended up installing the little output reduction jumper on this set & it improved the dynamics considerably. I really don't ever use the "active" voice & will probably look into re-configuring the push/pull to toggle a coil split or something.
What do you set the height of your fishman pickups in relation to the strings for both high and low end and bridge and neck pickups?
There is no universal distance for "correct" pickup height, as it depends on how strong the magnet is & personal preference. I will usually set the pickup lower than I would want it, strike the lowest two strings, then raise the screw on the bass side. Stop when the sound is full & balanced. Then repeat for the treble side. Prioritize the height of the bridge pickup, then fine tune the neck pickup height to have the same volume as the bridge.
Why didnt you cut the wires shorter? Would be less cable mess in there. I hate this type of jack connectors, they always unscrew after a while. Few drops of superglue fixes that pretty fast though.
I didn't cut the wires shorter because I wasn't totally sure I was going to keep these pickups, as I hadn't liked actives for years. Original wire length = better resale value. However, these pickups are so freaking good I would absolutely go back in & cut them to really clean it up in there.
Alright, that makes sense. They sounded great.
If I have a different pick up selector what do I do. Any help from anyone would be great.
you'll need to find the pin-out for that specific selector. 5-way's typically come in Fender or Ibanez style. 3-way blades are all pretty similar. 3-way toggle switches are all the same.
@@TylerVanum Thank you!
Do I need a bridge ground if my cavity is shielded?
Yep!
Battery backup how many hour play
What Ibanez input jack is it? Couldnt find anything about it in the description.
Common barrel jack used in some Ibanez's and early Kramer guitars.
I realllyy wanna hear how this guitar sounds with the EMG 57/66 set!!!!
In my experience, the 57/66 have great definition but are much less aggressive than the Fluences.
Thanks for this video, man! If I wanted to only throw 1 of these in the bridge position, would that be an option? Or would I have to install the set of both?
Without the switching options, not installing the push pull, you can but you need the bridge grounding wire and that looked like a messy job.
hey man, i really like this pickups, but i don't know if the pots that come with them are high quality or should i buy other 25k pots?
The pots that come with them are totally fine.
Thanks for this video man! A lot of great information for the different applications, and/or modifications to do to the guitar!
I have a question. I might not have understood properly since I kind of spaced out but if I understood correctly. If you are planning on putting a set of passive pickups in an OS you have to go through the process of drilling the hole to give a ground thorugh the strings right?
I think it depends on how recently the guitar was made. The earlier run guitars like this one, yes, you have to drill. The newer ones I think come with a hole pre-drilled.
Ill have to check out with my guitar then because I do believe mine was an earlier run since I bought it just a little before Namm!
Thanks man!
Question for anyone: I'm trying to decide between this guitar and a Kiesel Vader 7, thoughts?
+Bo88y Beretta People compare these guitars a lot because they're both headless but I feel that they're totally different animals. The Boden is purpose-built to be as ergonomic as possible, with the unique body shape, endurneck, light weight, etc. The Vader is essentially a superstar without a headstock. It's cool, but I'll pick a .strandberg* every time.
I would really like to know the name of the tool you are using, it looks super handy for soldering things together. I would really appreciate it!
Helping hands
I’m looking to get a strandberg and exchange the pickups for Fishman Fluences. I’m assuming the Fishman’s are powered by battery, does that mean I have to go with the EMG-Model of strandberg, to fit the battery of the fishmans? Or will the Lace model be able to fit it aswell? Which is the better choice for the fishmans?
The Fluence battery (except for the single coil sets) does not have to be replaced--ever. You have to cut a hole (or have someone with a half inch drill bit in a press do it for you) through your plastic cavity cover. Then you attach the battery circuit board to the inside face of the cavity cover so that the USB and LED port can sit in hole and be accessed once you close the cavity. Put some foam in to keep the rechargeable battery from moving around. And voila! (I cut it myself and did not have a half inch bit. I used an exacto knife to carve out the remainder but it doesn't look professional. If money isn't a big deal, pay someone to drill the cavity cover and smooth it out. You have to make sure that the corners of the circuit board fit the cavity so, mark the spot where you want the center of the hole to go.)
Since 2017 Strandberg extended range guitars all come with the Fishmans from the factory
Do they make this guitar in a 6-string? I've always liked guitars which were a bit Steinberger-like.
+thelongslowgoodbye yup!
+thelongslowgoodbye Why yes they do! I'm actually in the process of acquiring one of those lovelies today!
Axe Hacks Cool! So, where can I buy one?
How easy are they to swap for EMG 81X's?
+cragginshred Any EMG to EMG swap is plug & play
What's the song in the beginning?
The one during the intro sequence is just a little something I whipped up :-)
Great shirt!!!
good job
Great tutorial! A clean note or chord before open chugging would have been icing on the cake for me. Sounds angry!
HELLO SIR I NEED HELP I HAVE INSTALLED MY MODERN 7 ON MY IBANEZ ITS MY FIRST TIME INSTALLING A FISHMAN PICKUP . THE PROBLEM IS MY CERAMIC BRIDGE PICKUPs SOUNDS LIKE ITS GATED AND AFTER THAT I WAS THIS VIDEO I REWIRE EVERYTHING AND NOW THE CERAMIC BRIDGE PICKUP HAS NO SOUND ANYMORE. PLEASE HELP I REALLY NEED YOUR HELP :(
Hi Marvin, for specific issues like this I would contact Fishman support. They are generally very responsive and helpful.
Fishman or EMG 57? :)
Fishman
Love this channel, by the way does anyone know what he uses to hold the pots and such when soldering? The sort of arm thing with a crocodile clip?
They're called Helpig Hands. They also typically have a giant magnifying glass attached to the top. In my experience, all this does is make it super top heavy so I just remove it.
Axe Hacks thanks ive needed something like this especially since ive been replacing alot of pots jack pickups etc lately. ill be buying one as soon as i can
and that's why the newer Original, Metal and Prog guitars are much better than the Boden OS guitars
you are using too much gain mate.
subjective
Sell me this strandy :)
Or you could just go to the website and buy one. :P
But you already did all the hard work haha
I want to hear the pickups! Not watch a set up