Jujutsu schools : Tenjin Shin'yō ryū 天神真楊流 "Divine true willow"

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  • Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
  • This video discusses the Tenjin Shin'yō ryū jujutsu style and how it relates to Judo, and also the ancestor arts of it.
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Комментарии • 44

  • @Chadi
    @Chadi  4 года назад +11

    If you would like to read more about this Koryu:
    tenyokai.com/

  • @jamesbrick250
    @jamesbrick250 3 года назад +12

    There's one school (I hope you can cover) that was considered to be the oldest koryu (Jujutsu prioritised but it's a complete system with weapons) school, which is Takenouchi Ryu. Judo & Aikido techniques can be traced back to this style.

  • @claesandersson5300
    @claesandersson5300 4 года назад +15

    Take your time, family first👍🏻. Thank you for the interesting video

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  4 года назад +1

      Thank you Claes!

  • @aressp
    @aressp 4 года назад +12

    Ok few things:
    I do not represent Tenjin Shinyo Ryu but I am studying it and so the following are my personal opinions.
    In modern days people tend to believe that koryu, and more specifically Tenjin Shinyo Ryu, were all about kata. It is true, of course, that kata are very important in our school and act as the main way of teaching. However, most probably, randori was always there. We can find randori techniques in old TSR manuals. We have some reports, by the first westerners that visited TSR and other koryu dojos, where it is mentioned that randori was part of the teaching (unexpectedly, maybe with more focus in ground fighting than in standing!). In addition, Kano is presented to have practiced randori while he was training at young age. Some of the opponents that judokas had to face in that early police competitions and challenge matches were from TSR and all appeared to be experienced, knowledgeable in fight and were given high ranks when they joined judo.
    Secondly, concerning the secret-deadly kata… I am far from being a menkyo kaiden so I have not study them. However, the secrecy and the claims have nothing to do with similar modern (and totally naive…) claims against UFC and modern way of fighting. The explanation might be simple. In the old times wining or loosing was often a difference between life and death. Keeping secret an effective technique could increase the chances of surviving a deadly battle. So all the schools tried to keep their secrets for themselves. We can think also other reasons. For example, the teachers were getting a lot of money for each technique they were teaching so they had more reasons to keep their stuff secret. I can also add that the kata are truly deadly and dangerous but that does not mean that are something exotic. Actually they are not different from waza that we already know from other more modern arts/sports (for example hadaka jime) that copied them and even improved them greatly.
    Chadi thank you for the nice presentation! The third most famous school these days is one that you already mentioned many times... Fusen Ryu. But there are a lot more.
    I wish your problems to be solved soon in the best possible way!

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  4 года назад +6

      Thank you for this detailed insight, i already know about randori in TSR i discussed it in an old Kano video, but all i can find these days is kata demos not sure if it changed a lot these days, there's also the "armor grip" in the old days etc, but this video is to represent the style and the history of it, i can talk about every detail and the schools of today but it would be a 2 hours long video, this series is mainly to differentiate between styles and their origins.
      Again thank you for the suggestion and the link which i Pinned in this section.

    • @aressp
      @aressp 4 года назад +1

      @@Chadi Yes these days you will find mainly kata. Since TSR remained so closed to Judo I believe (again thats totaly my speculation) that old masters kept only the kata in their teachings while the need for randori was covered through Judo.

    • @aressp
      @aressp 4 года назад +7

      @Andrew well actually yes! They are for sure deadly but... not "secret" anymore. I mentioned "hadaka jime"(thats the "rear naked choke"). That will stop any mma fighter or bjj practitioner. In fact it is one of the most high percentage techinques in modern competitions and everybody knows how to do it nowdays. Even today Danaher's Death Squad, 10th planet, all UFC fighters, etc will keep secret their special moves, combinations and improvments in order to apply them in comp and sell after their knowledge in expensive dvds. This is exactly what ancient jujutsu schools were doing. So nothing strange or mystical.

    • @uberdonkey9721
      @uberdonkey9721 Год назад

      Yup. Excellent points. Now we have such broad communication, even kids in America know pretty dangerous choke holds. In MMA you might see someone that has trained in something rarely trained (like spinning back kick or hook kick) but you're not gonna see anything unknown. In those times, you could get a huge advantage by doing something nobody had seen before. Maybe we're all better fighters now. Indeed I've been thinking about Capoeira (not that I consider it a true martial art), but we can see modern practitioners far exceed the ability of early practitioners. Why not in other martial arts? Well, I think the same applies (unless you're just walking thru kata). We know so much more, and can pick and choose and train in all sorts.

  • @Atran05182
    @Atran05182 3 года назад +1

    I never knew someone like you existed. My heart is in delight with the hidden gems you've created.

  • @TheClarity101
    @TheClarity101 4 года назад +3

    Maybe cover the bujinkan and it’s schools?

  • @mrakobespetrovich8277
    @mrakobespetrovich8277 2 месяца назад

    We love you, Chadi!

  • @francescodauria2884
    @francescodauria2884 6 месяцев назад +1

    Jujutsu a beautiful martial arts

  • @jefferson30121989
    @jefferson30121989 4 года назад +1

    you have the beat channel on youtube thank you so much your videos truly make my life better and you do a fantastic job

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  4 года назад

      I appreciate it

  • @chrisriley8755
    @chrisriley8755 5 месяцев назад

    I love learning of all of the jujutsu schools the school I study from Wa Shin Ryu Jujutsu I truly enjoy learning jujutsu I feel at peace with myself and the world 🌎 after every practice of jujutsu it is a wonderful practical art. If only I could live and study in Japan but iam great full that I have a jujutsu school near my home 🏡. I one day wish to teach jujutsu in my home town but if I am fortunate enough to go to Japan to master jujutsu and kenjitsu as well but all in good time I am not a fan of BJJ or MMA NO thanks but traditional Japanese jujutsu all day everyday thank you for your in depth Documentary thank you.

  • @silversurfer9019
    @silversurfer9019 4 года назад +3

    Do you know the significance of the willow? How big of a storm would it take to destroy a willow? How much can a willow bend before it breaks? When tribulation comes, be the willow.

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  4 года назад +2

      Being the willow is better than being like water?

    • @silversurfer9019
      @silversurfer9019 4 года назад

      Chadi that whole thing about being like water is silly, think about it from an engineering standpoint or even from a design standpoint it doesn’t make sense. One of the ki exercises calls for visualizing water shooting from your arm like a fire hose, but that is not what Bruce was talking about

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  4 года назад +1

      @@silversurfer9019 Bruce Lee was talking mainly adapting and taking whatever is given to you and working with it and blending with it, kind of like the Aikido mindset of harmonizing Ki.

  • @senseihitmanwayofkempo8305
    @senseihitmanwayofkempo8305 3 года назад +2

    Could u cover Hawaiian jujitsu danzan ryu???

  • @mekugi
    @mekugi Год назад

    Just discovering this.
    You don't have to explain your absence to anyone. 😊

  • @uberdonkey9721
    @uberdonkey9721 Год назад

    Can really see this concept of bending or apparent bodily submission in how these forms are being performed.

  • @senseihitmanwayofkempo8305
    @senseihitmanwayofkempo8305 3 года назад +1

    Self defense training needs 2 include defense against soldiers thats why i love counter throws n thrusting strikes n breakfalls 4 defense againt armour attackers

  • @kevionrogers2605
    @kevionrogers2605 4 года назад +2

    When you get a chance research Irish Collar and Elbow Wrestling. Remember he got his idea of creating a sport and sparring from reading a Wrestling Book from which he learned the fireman's carry. That's the reason why Judo looks radicau different from Koryu.

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  4 года назад +1

      It's on my list

  • @Heavenfound
    @Heavenfound 2 года назад +1

    Any video on Fusen Ryu?

  • @felixmattusch8645
    @felixmattusch8645 4 года назад +4

    Nice vid 👍

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  4 года назад +1

      Thank you:)

  • @chcknpie04
    @chcknpie04 3 месяца назад

    Can you cover Sosuishitsu-Ryu Jujutsu?

  • @AureliusRuiz
    @AureliusRuiz 4 года назад +1

    The information is great but you need to start adding footage of the theme at hand. Like photo montage or animations.

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  4 года назад

      Thank you Gilberto

  • @Noone-rt6pw
    @Noone-rt6pw 3 года назад +1

    Think of actual samurai, I bet they did not play with all the extra, just get down to business with very effective jiu jitsu

  • @priyanshubiswal817
    @priyanshubiswal817 3 года назад

    Can u pls make a vid on takenouchi ryū jujitsu

  • @fredazcrate4362
    @fredazcrate4362 3 года назад

    💯👌👊👍

  • @kevionrogers2605
    @kevionrogers2605 4 года назад

    The were trying to create a form of fighting that could defeat Western methods of fighting.

  • @dimulaidari
    @dimulaidari Год назад

    Well I Still Believe That Old Martial Art Styles Is Proper And Divine,But Modern Life And Sport Is Make It Being Dying.
    Our Generation (Especially Z Generation) Is Prefer Something That More Practice And Instant,Unfortunely Is Can't For Learning Any Martial Art Style,You Must More Spend Your Time More Many For Explore It.
    Then Our Generation And Especially Z Generation Startings Blame The Martial Art,And Consider It's Useless.

  • @senseihitmanwayofkempo8305
    @senseihitmanwayofkempo8305 3 года назад

    All advanced rech is illegal n a match o most all

  • @senseihitmanwayofkempo8305
    @senseihitmanwayofkempo8305 3 года назад

    Atemi is i bet from kung fu o Kempo but i can only guess

    • @francescodauria2884
      @francescodauria2884 5 месяцев назад

      Atemi from jujutsu . Jujutsu is a martial arts born in Japan . Jujutsu is original japanese sistem and pure style japanese martial arts!!! Ok!!!

  • @SBBAckk-ts8xw
    @SBBAckk-ts8xw Год назад

    Thanks for sharimg this🤍