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Lemons. Quite a sour fruit to be dining on: so why would we want a lemon watch? Today the boys are talking about the LEMON rate of watch brands. From crystals to case backs and anything in between -- what happens when a brand's watches can't, for the life of them, stay together?
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I’ve owned 4 different Omegas between 2008-2023 (1974 Seamaster, 007 Seamaster, Speedmaster, Aqua Terra) no issues with any of them. Omega fan for life.
the 007 is the Goldeneye Quartz or another model?
Quartz
Agree same here
I have my grandfathers Speedy from 1969. I’ve had it for the last 15 years. I’ve had it serviced twice Once preemptively and once to resolve an issue. 🤷♂️
Unlike these guys, my most expensive watch is an Oris Aquis. I recently fell on some rocks, jarring the watch a.nd ruining its accuracy. As it was under warranty, I sent it in to an Oris repair center in another country. The watch came back within a week and keeping time at -. 02 sec/day. I highly recommend Oris if you want the Camry of watches.
I just wish they didn’t have the integrated bracelet in that watch. I would love to buy that, but that is such a deal killer to me. Plus, I’m not in love with that bracelet either.
@@mikej5959 lol. For me, the integrated bracelet is one of its biggest advantages. First, I'm a small wristed guy. The short lugs and integrated bracelet allow me to wear the 41.5 mm watch without it looking ridiculously huge. Second, I'm a bracelet guy. I want something that will last, and every strap I've owned is trashed after a year or two. Finally, the Oris bracelet is the most comfortable bracelet I've ever experienced. It's like butter. So, for me, the integrated bracelet design is an essential reason to choose the Oris Aquis over other divers. The one drawback is it lacks on-the-fly adjustment. I wished it had that. BUT I'm also glad the clasp is small, so between the two, I'd rather keep it the way it is.
Oris make solid built watches for sure and at an attainable price point.
@@mikej5959the bracelet on the aquis is honestly amazing. One of the best under 5k. Also you can get an adapter which lets you put any normal strap on the watch
How can you not love Oris! They are awesome!
Blue vs green. What a peculiar way to think about it.
Getting a Jag in British Green is just like getting a Ferrari in Rosso Corsa.
Great watch content.
I purchased a Patek 5119J from an AD the last year the model was offered for sale. Within a month I noticed its power reserve was much lower than advertised. I sent it back to Patek via the AD to have it serviced. Patek responded saying maybe I was not winding it fully, and sent it back to me without opening it up or doing anything else. I said no, I was winding it fully and sent it back to Patek again via the AD. The second time Patek opened up the watch and found they had to completely replace the barrel. It was covered under warranty. Patek did not apologize or do anything to make up for accusing me of user error. I vowed to never buy another Patek. The AD offered me a ceramic Daytona (I never purchased a Rolex before) to make up for the bad experience. A year later, Patek pulled its watches from that AD. But the AD still sells Rolexes.
My wife had a similar experience with her Datejust. It would regularly stop on her wrist. This was a fully-wounded automatic watch that was just serviced. RSC "accused" her of being too sedentary. Lol She's a doctor who moves around a lot. I bought her a Quartz Cartier and an Apple watch and she's very happy with them. She had enough with the "mechanical marvel".
I had a tudor blackbay that did that. I told my AD about it. They wrapped it up and sent it to Rolex. Rolex did not find anything wrong, but they did a full service on it and worked fine when I got it back.
I have been collecting watches for the last 10 years, with brands ranging from Microbrands, to Seiko, to Omega and Rolex. I don’t baby my watches at all. The only issues I’ve had are:
- My Heuer Monaco movement stopping after 8 years of ownership (bought new). Rectified with a visit to the service centre and 7 weeks of waiting.
- Magnetism affecting lower-end movements, such as my Seikos and Microbrands.
A list of some of the beatings my SKX has endured; daily construction, motorcycle, mountain bike, triathlons, 200 degree sauna into cold plunges, splitting wood, surfing… etc. never has a single issue and still keeps time within 5 see/day.
My skx007 has probably been beaten so much it has felt the equivalent of a nuclear blast, but dropped it after taking it off a nato strap the other week and my seconds hand popped off. Devastated.
The 7S26 is renowned for its durability for sure! Although I had an Orient calibre that supposedly was “quite similar” (maybe like a Sellita sw200 is to an ETA 2824) and I managed to mess it up real good. The “trick” was repeated shocks from ski poles, while not covering up the watch well (or at all) in -15 degree C air… that sure did it. It ran hours off per day after that.
I’ve been using quartz for xc skiing ever since, although the automatic may have survived it fine if I didn’t let it get cold while getting shocks
@@oes2546 Orient watches are in fact a brand of the SEIKO company, however they use their own specific line of calibers.
I have a basic omega constellation made in 1998. It still runs just fine after decades of travelling generous with me. I wear it sparingly now though. I want to pass it on eventually. Daily wearer is a self modded Casio duro. Fantastic watch.
I bought a brand new Omega Moon Watch Saphire Sandwich last year. Within 3 months, one of my pushers fell off and the other pusher was loose. I didn't abuse the watch, it was a factory issue. I sent it back for repair and they only fixed the one pusher that came off, and not the other one that was loose. Now 1 year later it's back at Omega Repair to fix the 2nd pusher. It took a little over 3 months to get it back the first time and I have no idea how long it will take this year.
For a watch that I spent $7,200 on, I couldn't be more upset about it. It's under warranty, but they should have fixed both pushers the first time that I sent it in for repair. I love the watch and would be more forgiving if they fixed both problems the first damn time.
In the 90s and early 2000s, BMWs came with little plastic plaques in the trunk that showed you how to orient golf club bags to maximize the number that fit in that particular trunk, and how many can fit.
I have an Omega Seamaster Pro 300 that I purchased new in 1999. In 2000 it went back to Omega because I damaged the bracelet in a mountain bike accident. They did a complimentary service to the movement under warranty while it was there. That was the LAST time the caseback was off the watch! 23 years now without a servicing and when I wore it the other day it was still +4 seconds a day. Unreal.
They don’t make them like that anymore. Watches nowadays are basically junk
For xmass 2009 my wife got me a black Omega Seamaster 300. I wore it every day doing whatever I was doing - camping, cutting down trees with an axe, working around the shop, fixing cars, at the office, hunting, slept with it on every night, it didn't matter, it was my one watch. I have dress watches but rarely wear them. No issues at all and at about 10 years I sent it in to Omega for its first service and it was losing .8 seconds a day. That to me is a tool watch, and what a tool watch should do. Just a data point.
15:00. Sooo true! “When it’s more complicated there are more things to break”. That’s exactly why I prefer to own simpler watches. A three-hander is all I need. I don’t need perpetual calendars, chronographs, moon phase, etc. they’re interesting….but can to lead to malfunction and significant cost when things go wrong.
I don't even like date windows, time only watches are the way to go for me.
I don’t even like a mechanism. Just wear a sundial on my wrist.
@@willburrows8834 here comes will the moron who thinks he's funny.
I own an Oris diver sixty five with the new caliber 400 movement. It came with a 10 year warranty given the unproven movement. I’ve owned it for 2 years and recently sent it into be serviced because it would randomly stop even though I wear it every day. Service was super quick, only took 5 weeks to get it back, but it keeps stopping every so often. I’ll probably have to send it in again soon
Swiss watches are overrated. Especially the Oris 65.
It's a beautiful watch though...
i have a 1998 1863 Speedy, a 2013 42mm planet ocean, and have had a few others... they are easily the hardiest watches ive had, 5 year check ups and still havent needed any servicing or repair. But my Tudors, Sea Dwellers, Daytona, Breitlings and Zenith have allll had multiple issues per item. Its only my side of the story but Omega continue to stand the tests of daily use for me
Yeah my Planet Ocean is going 10 years + with no problems. Great watch, but I wear it much less since getting the Speedmaster (which I just sent in for repair, actually). Stopped working.
My recent Omegas all needed servicing within a year. My Tudor doesn't need anything.
@@Qubnomil - I had the opposite experience. My Omega PO has been through everything and remains strong. My Tudor has been in for service 3 times.
I own several Omegas ranging from 1-15 years old and none of them have failed me. I’m surprised to hear this.
3861 Sapphire Speedy, faulty out of the box with stuttering chrono that occasionally jams the movement. Currently in warranty service with everyone assuring me "don't worry, Omega will take care of it". I own it now for almost a month and wore it less than 48h. Not a good start and first impression, at least for me.
There is a RUclipsr that has previously owned a major gray market watch sales company that provides a warranty for all their watches sold. According to what he said in a video, Omega was the least likely among major luxury brands to be send back for warranty repair.
My grandpa has an Orient that he got in a Hong Kong refugee camp in 1976, works great. My orient ray ii that I bought used in 2015 still runs fine no service. My omega speedmaster reduced was serviced in 2021 and thankfully the movement broke again within the 2 year warranty LMAO
Been using my Oyster Perpetual 34mm almost every day for 3 years, done 12 000 kms on a motorcycle with it (most of), used Lime electric scooters, travelled through Scandinavia for my wedding trip with a camper. All sorts of other activities. Now my 6month son keeps playing with it.
After 4-5 months of constatnt runtime it gained 30secs - compared it today to my g-shock that syns with atomic clock.
No problems at all. Rolex AD told me that the service interval for the reference number 124200 (silicon hairspring inside) is around 10 years - I tried to have it maintenanced after those years as I thought it should be.
My new Meta-certified, co-axial Speedmaster with the 3861 movement stopped ticking within 6 months of purchase. It was shipped back to Omega and they changed almost every part in the movement (I guess they couldn’t understand what was wrong with it). Now it works fine and have been for about 20 months.
I left the watch hobby because its getting ridiculous and I predict in 2024 there will be a flood of watches with huge discounts!
Where did you go since leaving the hobby?
Please oh please oh please be right.
@@michaelriera6277apparently he left the hobby and went to watch enthusiast RUclips channels.
@@michaelriera6277apparently the theo and Harris comment section still watching wrist watch content 😂😂
I wear a Marthon GSAR most days of the week. I work on airplanes and installing rivets, sanding and hammer use are the norm. I shoot competitively on the weekends shooting probably at least 200 a week. That is TONS of vibration and I haven't had a problem. I have owned this watch for almost 10 years and still haven't had to get it serviced yet. It still holds +/- 10seconds per day.
I bought a grey market Bulgari Octo in 2020 and it was running 2 minutes fast after about 2 years, 3 month service time but since then it's been fine.
That might have just been magnetized. I’d say that’s pretty good. Those watches are really sharp looking. Hoping for a 38mm someday.
Vostok Amphibia cost me about 70 $, it has been ten years I have been wearing it, it has fallen on the ground terribly once so even one lume index got detached, but the movement was absolutely fine. The only service it has gotten was putting that lume index back into its place. The watch works nicely and wears charmingly, get looks of admiration and even compliments. I don’t think Rolex Submariner which cost 120 times more would have made me happier and would have withstood so long without serious service. High price doesn’t reflect the real quality of a wristwatch. In summary, never pay more than ~ 800 $ for a wristwatch.
I gave my Amphibia to my 5 year old because he wanted a watch. I don’t know what he did with it but it stopped working after 2 days. I miss that watch. The most erratic time keeper I’ve ever owned.
Are you sure it was exactly Amphibia and not just Vostok komandirskie with 17 rubies? Because Amphibias never stop working.
Hah! Right after watching Adam's watch video on how his Omegas were in service, my Green Seamaster 300m (11 months old) had its clasp jammed out of nowhere! Had to send it in to the boutique where they took in to the service centre. I'm guessing they couldn't fix my clasp because they replaced it with a new fresh one. Mind you, I take care of my watches and not slam it on the desk when doing work.
My lifestyle is not easy on watches. Brand new Omega Seamaster quartz had to go back second hand was hitting in the middle of the markers. Did come back fixed. 2021 Speedmaster professional stopped working 6 months after I bought it whenever I used the Chrono. Came back fixed and running good. Still not a good track record 2 for 2. I have and have own Rolex’s from 1965-2023 never had one miss a beat. Wore them all the time. I’ve had a bunch of seiko, generally tough but I have broke a couple seiko SKX’s from hard shocks. Also Broke a few G-shocks and Suunto’s over the years.
We need a Consumer Reports style survey for watch reliability. I've had a couple issues with cheap Fossil watches (mechanical and quartz) back in the day (Kudos to their 10 year warranty) and back in the late '90s, I had an issue with a quartz Victorinox that was repaired under warranty, but I've never had anything break otherwise. Either I'm lucky or I just don't abuse my watches. I certainly don't baby them, as shown by the nick on my Explorer II in the 6 months I've owned it.
My dad got me a Junghans chronoscope. 3 months in , without shock , one of the chrono sub dial hands fell off. Sent it back to Junghans. 4 months later I got it back. But there was dust all over the dial and black gunk all over the side of the Chrystal.
I've owned over 250 watches in the past 40 years, I still have 50 so. GShock's have been in the collection since 1985 and I have never had one fail me. Never. I've skied, crash motorcycles, built house and scuba dived with them. Rock soild G-Shocs. I have also never had an unmodified automatic watch fail me. (SKX007 with full mod, seals failed. My fault)
Only my sole entry into Steinhart failed me. ETA movement, the bridge spring broke. I had it fixed and sold it.
I have received Ali Express watches that were DOA, but again, my fault for buying such a cheap watch.
My $50 Timex is still running along side my 25+ year old Omega SMP 300 GMT and my Tudors and Rolex.
Had an Oris diver stop running within the first month. After I got it back, it ran solid for 15 years. With my collection, I've had issues with some but have been fairly lucky.
This is very coincidental that you have this topic. I bought a Blancpain Swatch last week. I was watching a few RUclips videos about the pro's and con's of my new shiny watch and the stress was obviously too much. I think I got quite sweaty from the worry, and this perspiration seemed to get into the Swatch. I took it back to the shop, and the Swatch assistant told me that it wasn't guaranteed against excess sweating. So people. Don't sweat near your Blancpain Swatch. It's not covered. But one good bit. No colour came off from the case, while I was wearing it. So I will definitely go and buy another one. They're obviously quality.
The idea of servicing a watch regularly is relatively new. Pre 1990 or so, this is not how people did things, and they don't break often enough to not save you a TON of money over the regular serving.
Re: riding a motorcycle. Yes, I have messed up a vintage Omega by riding wearing it, but my Sinn with an ETA 2824 has no problems, so no excuse for a modern watch.
Not sure where you‘re getting this from. Watches before the 90s are in terrible condition because every tom-dick-n‘ harry watchmaker fumbled around on them. The whole reason brands recommend regular servicing is that you don‘t end up with massive problems in 30 years down the line.
@@JamesIdentityi got the from being old
I am familiar with the Seamaster Omega story. My Omega Seamaster 300 GMT quit working (stopped) after three years. I took my Omega Seamaster GMT 300 GMT to Bend Bridge in Seattle Wa. for repair. About a month latter I was informed my Omega was ready for pick up. I picked up my repaired Omega GMT 300 divers watch along with a note including the old spring…..stating a new version of the coaxial movement had been installed. Great news! Well not so much. Mr repaired Omega appeared to be working perfectly with a caveat; When the hour hand arrived at eleven hour position it would proceed no further while the minute and second hand worked flawlessly!?! I still have the Omega 300 GMT, but I never sent the it for a second repair to correct the hour hand problem. I physically move the hour hand past the eleven hour position and it works great until it arrives at the eleven hour position and stops. After my experience with Omega, I am shell shocked and not to purchase a new overprice Omega watch that is prone to failure. Post Script: I purchased my Omega Seamaster 300 GMT at the Omega boutique in Zurich, Switzerland.
Sorry about your experience. I was thinking about picking up a moonwatch sapphire sandwich at the Omega boutique in Bellevue, WA. I seem to be on the fence now due to QC concerns.
I own a watch with an ETA2824-2. A tractor movement. It had broken twice in 7 years.
The first one was my fault. I was hand winding it too much. One of winding wheels was damaged. And it stopped. As I learned later it’s a known weakness of ET2824-2.
The second time a screw holding a bridge snapped. Watchmaker said it wasn’t my fault. Everything else was fine with the movement. It was serviced a few year prior when it broke the first time.
Being an ETA2824-2 it didn’t cost me much. Around $200 total for both repairs, parts included.
You shouldn’t really be able to damage a modern, automatic movement by winding too much. They have a clutch that slips when the reserve is full.
It must have happened to me:
A common fault with ETA 2824 and 2836 movements is sticking reversers. When this happens the hand-winding becomes tight and the rotor spins, if both reversers lock up and the determined owner continues to wind the crown something has to give and it's usually the teeth on the ratchet wheel that break.
Interesting that this topic came up. I bought my first high-end watch three months ago--a Grand Seiko Lake Suwa. Last week, I had to take it back to the boutique to be sent for service (It would stop running when the power reserve indicator was about half depleted). I still love GS and look forward to buying more down the line--that is, if this service goes well.
Curious to hear how long it takes.
This just happened to my SBGA373. I literally bought it brand new from an AD a month ago. Took it to the Grand Seiko boutique on Bond Street and they're getting it sorted under warranty. They were shocked at the sight of it doing that. Will update on how long it takes and what the outcome is.
I have my Rolex 16610 that I received new when I was 18. I get it serviced once a decade. I've done everything with it. Skiing, mountain climbing, snorkeling, scuba diving, it has just kept going, although it is pretty scratched up. I did have to replace the crystal which I managed to chip.
I bought a omega seamaster 300m brand new. I had it week and had to send it in because the date was not turning over. It got stuck on the 30th. It's been 4 weeks, and I'm still waiting to get it back from service.
I have a JLC Geophysic 1958 and during the first year of ownership I sent it twice to Switzerland, first time it was running two fast, second time it just stopped working, according to the dealer JLC in Switzerland changed the entire movement. It’s been working perfectly since then but it was a very frustrating experience. Cheers
I have a speedmaster triple date reduced that was built around 2010ish from what I can tell. I bought it 2 years ago from a guy in Japan on ebay. During the verification process they cut the case back gasket and didn't tell me. So 2 months after I got my dream watch the dial fogged and when I took the case back off, a cut piece fell into the balance an completely stopped the watch. $800 later the watch is perfect and I daily drive it. I'm hard on it to, landscaping, loading things. So I think sometimes things happen. Bur omega makes a good watch.
Had a seiko actually the only watch that ever stopped and had to be returned and replaced, not fixed, replaced outright ..had a CWard a GS brand new ,lose a movement screw within weeks of ownership, fixed under warranty have a breitling avi brand new with chrono that could never reset to 12 spent 6months with breitling first with service center in the US where they managed to dig a hole in the plexi and then sent to Switzerland to be properly fixed which they did …crap happens but would have been nice of Breitling to include a strap for not seeing a 7k watch for over 6 months but noooo
Purchased a Two Tone Rolex Submariner in 1992 and wore it throughout my career as a Firefighter. Never had it serviced. Bought a Hamilton Below Zero that had stopped working within it’s warranty. A PAM00176 Daylight needed servicing after 16 years of ownership.
I recently had an experience with Hamilton. My wife and kids pooled their money for Father’s Day to purchase a Khaki Field Murph 42 from an authorized dealer a couple of years ago. Last year the winding became an issue. I sent it back to Hamilton under warranty. After a month the watch was returned to me with the crown and stem crooked. It went back and after 3 months the watch was returned with a new case, stem and crown, but behaved even worse 2 weeks later. The dealer declared it a lemon and an exchange was done. I’m happy they have such good cust. service and the dealer was awesome about it, but the original watch is no more and the thought did occur to me that this may be WHY their cust. service is so good. Had a bad experience with Bulova but that’s for another day.
The watches I've owned have always been influenced by the time I spent working for a high end AD when I was 19-22. I've always stuck to watches I can afford to service. So even though I could've bought an IWC or Omega at an amazing price, I didn't, because I wouldn't be able to afford $500-$1k service (should something happen) until half a decade later.
Fun tangent: We didn't sell Rolex, but Ben Bridge down the road did, so when people walked in looking for their "aspirational Rolex", we'd sometimes bring up authorized service to at least plant a seed of doubt in their head.
To be fair, it was largely in relation to Omega's then-new Co-Axial escapement, and because Omega's movements were still fairly basic outside of that, at the time. And we obviously never mentioned future service costs for the Cartier we sold.
My Tudor P01 has been in for service twice in the first year of ownership. Once, the date wheel stopped turning over... after they serviced it and sent it back, it would only keep 16hrs of power reserve...
They fixed it both times (the second was almost assuredly their fault during servicing anyways), and had it back to me in less than 2 weeks.
Shit happens, but it's better to find out something is wrong while it's still under warranty.
You should not change date when your hand is near 12 o'clock, you probably broke it when doing that and then you will have to repair it.
Always read the manual when getting a new watch to know how to use it properly
Multiple Omega owner here, my speedy date with the omega finished 7750, still runs +1 after 12 years no service. Seamaster pro does have a minor clasp issue where it gets stuck from time to time and movement supposed to be 0 to +6 but runs slightly slow a couple seconds, all in all I’d call that a win with QC
G Wagons and Jaguars; I would add a line item in the budget for repairs.
Regarding what is reasonable use . I do not have anything fancy . I have 4 watches in a small colection what resist water to 10 bar and still take them off when washing dishes or any manual work
Have had numerous Omegas, precoaxial and coaxial ones, no issues. Omega is so worth its money.
I know you have about 8 years in the watch game, so let a guy who’s been collecting watches for over 30 years chime in and say that Omega has been making rock solid watches for decades. I know you were big into vintage watches, but I’ve been buying what today is considered vintage new, when they first came out. My first Omega SMP 300 was bought new in 2003 and before I traded it in for a new SMP300(white dial) this year, it was serviced 2 times and never had an issue. My good friend bought a Speedy moon watch(manual wind, hesalite) back in the 90’s and has been serviced 3 times and the only part he has ever had to replace was the bracelet and he wears this watch daily. I’m friendly with many AD’s and know which watches have what issues. Some watches are notorious for breaking down and being delicate, but Omega is not one of those.
Honestly what drove me to seriously study watches is my original tag heuer watch I bought in 2009 that broke and needed a new movement within 3-4 years. That road drove me to look into German watches because there’s a slightly more focus on durability in a broad sense from that region of watch making. Also, durability is probably one big implicit reason dive watches are the most popular genre
That is interesting to me because, if you bought your TAG in 09, then it was probably equipped with an ETA2824 (or a Valjoux chrono). That is the same movement, along with it's Swiss clone Sellita SW200, that is used in most German watches (today the Sellitas are far more prevalent due to Swatch restrictions on ETA). I wonder why you think that the Germans are slightly more focused on durability? Is it because of brands like Sinn and Damasko that use hardened steel, or is it something else?
Durability is certainly more associated to japan, be it with cars or watches. A Seiko 7S26 or NH36 will most likely be fine with 10years of daily wear. And if they don't, a replacement movement costs 30 bucks. YES it is not the same quality of the swiss or the germans, but then again...affordable and durable.
@@kresimirpleic well back then I was clueless in this hobby and it wasn’t an automatic movement 😪
@@kevinfernandez8416 I prefer quartz for sports watches. Mechanical for dress pieces.
I got my 2005 Seamaster brand new and I’ve worn it practically every day since, never got it serviced, granted it’s slowing down, but no issues. my brother and fathers chronographs on the other hand…
There is nothing fast with getting your watch fixed. My Omega Constellation has been with Omega over a year now. I only wore it once in my home, when I noticed it was not working correctly. I sent it to Omega over 6 months later it comes back still broken, so off it goes again. I originally sent the watch to Omega April last year. Their servicing absolutely sucks.
I returned my speedmaster 3861 because it needed repair. It was not keeping time properly. Omega said it would take an extended period of time to repair due to supply chain shortages. So I just returned the speedy, and got an explorer 36mm.
did you use a timegrapher to check ots accuracy or how did you measure the timekeeping accuracy?
I own a 1934 Omega men's steel manual wind watch. It is 89 years old. I runs and looks good.
it has no calendar it runs at 18000. I own a 1973 Omega 28000 automatic with a day date. it runs great. but the calendar has needed repair. It still is not 100%. Anytime you add a feature to a
mechanical watch you a possible weakness added. Most of my watches do not have calendars.
I am looking at a Nivada watch Gretchen with no date. I love vintage Omega watches.
Black bay 41 no bezel, bought new in 2018 still runs at about +2 a day, they still had a modified eta 2824 absolute workhorse and cheap to service
Peak entry luxury, not over priced easy and cheap to maintenance. Has the look and brand recognition all in one
Great everyday where that can handle it all and look good doing it
16:39 cars are so much more expensive to fix? Consider the size of a car and the size of a watch. By volume, watches are crazy expensive to fix.
Mechanical watches are 100% prone to breaking. No way around it. If you want a watch that doesn’t break, get a solar quartz digital watch (g shock)
I am going slowly back to Quartz. Bulova Jetstar will be my next purchase. I got rid of my Speedmaster. Servicing costs were a pain.
Let me start by saying all of my watches have had equal use except my legend diver, it has been used the hardest and still keeps time + or - 2 seconds a day, it’s 7 years old and never been serviced. No problems with any of my Rolex, Omega, longines, or Hamilton watches. Out of the 4 seiko’s I own, three had to be serviced within two years of ownership, “they just stopped working.”
My grandfather and grandmother both had experiences with lemons and when they asked their friends about it they all had similar experiences. So they invited them all over one night and had a big lemon party.
I’ve heard multiple grey market dealers on RUclips hint at the fact that some APs need a lot of service
I can't believe yo😮you bought a jag.
During the 80's mr friend who sold jags used to have what he called the duster- jag deal.
You drive the duster during the week and get the car from the garage on the weekends
We need to have a JD power survey as with cars. "Have you bought a 2022 model Omega, rolux, Grand Seiko, Oris, Breitling, Patek, Piaget, etc.? Tell us how isht, or good you experience was..." We were shocked at how poorly Mercedes Benz compare, perhaps we will finally kick the rolux habit and find that there are better value, better quality watches... Frankly this should be the whole point of watch community media, but instead too many are exclusively part of the industry and too few are not exclusively part of the collecting community.
So my previous gen sub stopped working 5.5 years to the dot. Had to get it fixed out of warranty. No hard knocks or anything. rSC identified an issue with the hairspring and stem. (The RSC is trusted and the AD is a family friend) so I know they weren’t fleecing me. Point being that turned out the way it did, vs other Rolexes that have been fine for well over 10 years. Similarly 2 navitimers I’ve had in the pat needed tons of work. The AD took them both back and I never bought another again. Got an IWC Pilot chrono instead and it’s been rock solid for over 10 years. So truly a mixed bad and very diff to say what will “break” and what won’t. For me it’s how the AD or brand handles it after said bad experience.
Buy a Grand Seiko if you're going to put a strap on it anyway because it's hard to beat GS except for its non-adjust bracelet.
I have many watch brands in my collection (Grand Seiko/Tudor/Rolex/Tag Heuer). No problems with any of them except my Omega FOIS Speedmaster. After one year seal issue with moisture under crystal. After two years crown fell off. All covered by warranty but still a pain to get serviced.
I have owned a lot of watches and a lot of cars over the years. Fortunately the only lemons I got were vintage and one modern Seiko premier which I returned.
As for cars, the biggest lemon I ever owned was a Mercedes my Dad gave me when he gave up driving due to health problems. 40,000 mikes and I owned it. Most expensive car I ever owned. Was in the shop every couple of months. Finally got what I could fir it and used tge funds as a down payment on a Honda Accord. Never looked back. Mercedes sucks.
Finally, I would argue that if Seiko can make a tool watch sufficiently robust to handle some shock, a luxury brand should be able to do the same. Otherwise what is tge point of a luxury tool watch?
On the topic of cars, often it's damage driving over potholes, curbs, bad roads, cornering too fast. Then people are upset the car needs something. Yes, if course
I think the same goes with watches. If I bust my bezel doing a mtn bike ride, that's on me
I have multiple Breitling, Omega, and Rolex.
My only problem child has been a Navitimer.
Lexus is the answer! Luxury and good quality lol
Lexus is like a Grand Seiko! It looks good. It runs good. But it’s missing something. The British call it a refrigerator. It keeps running but no soul. And I’ve owned 12 grand seiko but I can say…… it’s not a Rolex. 🤷🏼♂️ as Lexus is not a Mercedes, BMW, Audi or many different great automobiles. It’s just missing something IMO. Now Porsche you get Quality AND soul!
No sole?🦶🏻
@@Angry_Gnome damn autocorrect! Fixed! I should of read it a little closer. That’s what happens when you run 2 companies and you get in a hurry. 🤷🏼♂️
Agreed love driving and ownership experience of my Lexus GS350 F. My wife’s Audi QS5, although beautiful inside and out, has had water pump replaced twice and I have to add oil every 1200 miles. Everything has a trade off, but if reliability matters, get a Lexus.
@@jamestheadvisor1650having driven Lexus, BMW 650i, Porsche Boxer, Cayenne and Cayman GTS, I can attest: Lexus was great but I needed F-Sport shocks and H&R springs to drive like I wanted it. But still no match for Porsche, once you drive one, you are spoilt for life, everything else feels numb.
I had a number of watches over the years, but had issue only with one particular piece. It first broke (being used for about 4yrs, completely within expected conditions), and then by the servicing: first it turned out that the manufacturer doesn't sell spare parts to any external watchmaker and thus it needs to be sent back to Switzerland (and then it will obviously cost significantly more), then their service quote detailed repairs which were too obviously not needed. In the end the boutique felt so ashamed by this fact (when I explicitly told them how disappointed I was about this subpar experience), that they took over the cost of repair. But the brand was ready to scam me for a few hundred CHFs in addition to their already needlessly expensive maintenance.
And what brand was it?
@@tacuazinful it was Blancpain, for the record.
Great video, interesting topic. I am pretty active with my watches, but appropriate. Other than expected wear, the only watch I had break was a 2005 Omega that stopped holding a wind but that was after essentially 6 years of all day every day wear.
I wear Seiko NH35a Homage watches. I have never had one let me down yet.
We hear in the Watch Community that a certain brand, model, or movement is bulletproof. What does that mean? Longest lasting, can take punishment, what. Typical brands concerning this are Rolex and Seiko. But no brand ever claims "bulletproof". I guess length of warranty is all we have as consumers.
grey market omegas had a lot of lemons
Why is the whole video labeled as “intro” in the top left?
10 watches in and no lemon yet here. I had my second automatic movement fail on me due to excessive shocks in extreme low temps (aka. just XC skiing without covering the watch up enough.) And my Swiss HAQ diver failed me due to thermal shock after I jumped in ice-water with it. I count both things as my fault. But then again, my fathers Seiko quartz has endured 25+ winters of xc skiing just fine, and Alpina had someone jump in ice water in the commercial for their divers watch… Idk. who to blame when I think about those things…
I mean, I cant help but notice we still have yet to be told what cologne Michael taunted us with a few videos ago...
Random ass question: Michael, what hoodie are you wearing? The color and fit is on point and I want one. Thank you 😂
I usually love your content but this one was a little weird. I’ve been collecting for two decades and I’ve owned approximately 100 watches. With the exception of 1 watch that needed to go back during the warranty period to be re-regulated, I’ve never had an issue. Mostly Rolex, Omega, Breitling, GS, Seiko, Tudor, Tag, etc. Additionally, I belong to a country-wide watch collector group who rarely report issues in our meet-ups or online forum. All of your data is anecdotal; without actual data, I would suggest it’s misleading and a bit clickbaitish…
JLC does 1000 hrs control testing of every watch before release for sale. Mine keeps amazing COSC like time from day 1. Few secs per week. Can't say that about all my watches.
good topic! i dont think a car or a shoe is comparable to a watch. a broken car can kill you and shoes, mostly cosmetic. a bag perhaps?
Funny enough, just this week I was opening the helium escape valve on my master chronometer Planet Ocean chronograph. Besides the insane size, the watch has been a dream until this week - the damn helium escape valve stem broke! I wore it when on the water - pool and ocean. So I maybe was a bit tough on it, but "he split robins arrow in twain!"
What about watches with design flaw that brands refuse to acknowledge? Zenith Defy 21 pusher design comes to mind
Just got a speedy and yes, I assumed that me spending 7,000 on a watch meant it will hold up. No issues yet. Hoping I got a good one!
My Smiths PRS48 had the mainspring snap which was kind of annoying. My Nezumi chronograph had a pusher fall off.
Very high end watches that are hand assembled are more likely to have issues then those that are mass produced. People value hand made but truth is machines are faster and less likely to make mistakes.
I have had watches come back "wronged" after service from Breguet to Ulysse Nardin to Zenith. From missing screws in the Breguet where I have to wait for them additional 3 months due to covid travel restrictions, to fingerprint smudges in on the inside of the crystal in Zenith and misaligned Movement in the Ulysse Nardin chronograph (also broken dial leg (whatever this means) which I am fighting right now because ULN service center claims i broke it)
My sapphire sandwich 2022 Speedmaster pusher broke after 6 months just fell off - literally shocking. Was w omega for a month to fix
Just seen an old episode of Colombo and he's smacking a Seiko Pogue against a metal umbrella stand to prove it's durability. The watch does seem to survive this assault quite admirably.
Got a 19 y/o fake Submariner, never missed a beat 😂
Never, ever have i heard from anyone that Omega watch keeps braking or going non-stop to repair shop. It's simply not truth. I'm 100% sure that Seiko mod guy also tried to mod his Omega, and off course he broke something.
AP seems like it’s well above 14%. 🍋🍋🍋
Cant wait to find out what is highly recommended this week.
I have no idea what those guys are talking about... It is QC only question if you check something under acceptable conditions (like ISO), it should work a certain amount of time... It's called lifetime warranty. Intel checks 100% of CPU their produce.
I’ve gone through 106 watches since i started collecting - granted none of them are over $10k - but none of them have “broken” on me…
I get what you guys are saying about if your doing certain activities then, one should expect the chance of your watch breaking to increase, and I would agree with you with watches like a Rolex day/date, an Omega De Ville, or any "dress watch"; but when specifically talking about a speed master, a seamaster or any tool watch, these watches should stand up to extreme abuse, especially if the $300 seiko can. I mean Omega speed masters originally went through testing by NASA and passed. In the 60s! It's 2023. They should be even better! What I fear has happened is that these brands have become more of a luxury that even their tool watches have become less of tool watches. If a Seiko Alpinist can handle more abuse then a Rolex Explorer 2 then we have a problem!
Whats the company with 14%?
Symbian? 😂 now breaking a rolex while on that would be a story for the ages!
The tree was in England - correct
Marketing leaves people with the impression you can play tennis or golf wearing a mechanical watch. Any good watchmaker will tell you those are terrible activities for mechanical watches. Hammering is not far off. I think people are more careless than they realize. Many problems described...broken dial feet, pushers "falling off," sudden inaccuracy...can easily be traced back to shock. Water intrusion is often due to carelessness with the crown. Separating these problems from manufacturing error is at times like separating smoke from fog. To me, the inexcusable problems are the inaccurate or faulty movements from modern Rolex and Tudor. I'm surprised this doesn't get more discussion.
Jaguar FType Brooklands Green or British racing Green?
Bulova Lunar pilot love it