How To Sand Teak | Full Teak Restoration Tutorial | Mirka USA & Starke Yacht Care

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  • Опубликовано: 27 ноя 2024

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  • @joshsalas4735
    @joshsalas4735 3 года назад +5

    Hi Drake. Just Strted Watching your Videos. Love how you take Pride in your work. I Own a Yacht Restoration Company in FL..
    What might save you time and Paper. Is, in the Begging of the Job. We Prep the Teak decks by using a New 1.5 inch Chisel with a 45 angle on one end,, to actually shave the Caulking down first. It usually cuts it like butter. Then when you start Sanding Process, you are already sanding Flush and don't have to worry about sanding through Caulking First.
    Love your Channel

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  3 года назад +2

      Thanks man! I'll give that a shot next time!

  • @satoriwabisabi
    @satoriwabisabi 3 года назад +6

    i learned so much from this video. listen, i literally have to do this job tomorrow and it will be my first time, watching this video has given me lots of confidence. thank you.

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  3 года назад +1

      Thanks for watching! Good luck! I make it look easy ha

  • @rare1a140
    @rare1a140 3 года назад +7

    Sup drake hey I use a razor blade to level the caulk before sanding. Curl the corners so they don't snag, keep it at a low level and the excess caulk comes off quick and easy. Knocks down on your sanding. I second the forced rotation da - I like festool for this. Nice vid bro.

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  3 года назад

      Thanks for the input! Appreciate you watching! Festool is a great machine as well

  • @RaldasDetails
    @RaldasDetails 3 года назад +4

    My favorite boat detailing channel!! You’re that man bro😎👍🏼

  • @TheFishingMommy
    @TheFishingMommy 3 года назад +6

    Gorgeous results! I have teak trim on my boat with lots of “peaks & valleys” & I’m going to borrow your techniques on it!

  • @tommyloky4489
    @tommyloky4489 3 года назад +2

    Really nice looking. And so nice to see NO oil on it. All natural and beautifull ;)

  • @carloscamacho177
    @carloscamacho177 2 месяца назад

    Bro thanks for all the time and effort you do,in a short time I have learned a lot,thanks so much, believe your costumers will be proud of you

  • @ivanildoalmada5458
    @ivanildoalmada5458 2 года назад

    Man, I am about starting a new company and your video is giving so much help...thank you;;Best video ever

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  2 года назад

      Thanks for watching, so glad I could help 😎🔥

  • @MRScrubNasty
    @MRScrubNasty 3 года назад +2

    Good cheaper alternative to the Mirka system is a Bosch GET65-5n or -6n with a shop vac and sanding mesh. Great dust collection and having the forced rotation with dust collection is hard to find. I own 3 of them in my boat repair shop. You did a good job explaining this though. I love watching your videos bro. I remove the caulk and recaulk if the customer is going to pay for it, otherwise it's best imo to use a 2 part teak cleaner as it really does a good job. Totalboat has a decent 2 part cleaner. Never fall for 1 part teak cleaner.

  • @JayDubber
    @JayDubber 3 года назад +3

    Nice job! I now have the confidence to add this to my service. 🙏🏼

  • @jonathankaplan5391
    @jonathankaplan5391 3 года назад +1

    Great video Drake, thanks for the awesome information. Also to whoever disliked this video, why don’t you teach us how to do it better.

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  3 года назад

      Heard that bro! haha Im pretty sure someone subscribed just to thumbs down all my videos ! kinda funny to me.

  • @deejayclement
    @deejayclement Год назад

    I used the Semco on my freshly grinded teak deck and it looks beautiful. I chose the transparant teak sealer (semco) and it looks great. Thank you for the advise with the semco product, and great video with easy instructions! Thanks mate.

  • @lakekeoweedetailing
    @lakekeoweedetailing 8 месяцев назад

    Great video, very informative as always! Looking forward to using what I learned in this video on my upcoming boat restoration for my client.

  • @michaelronquillo3842
    @michaelronquillo3842 3 года назад +3

    That was a valuable lesson. Thanks Drake. I absolutely would have screwed that up if i had not seen this by using too fine of grit sandpaper.

  • @markhinds1808
    @markhinds1808 3 года назад +1

    Its just what I wanted to see and what a great job and well explained

  • @calebfulford9708
    @calebfulford9708 3 года назад +1

    Great video. Teak is a porous wood or “open grain” which is the peaks and valleys you were talking about.

  • @MikesAutoDetailing
    @MikesAutoDetailing 3 года назад +2

    Drake, great job stay safe

  • @jacksonmcdonald5409
    @jacksonmcdonald5409 3 года назад +3

    Another solid video learned a lot once again. I was wondering after watching your non skid buff video if that’s something you include in a wash and wax package or an up charge. If you don’t always buff the non skid do you wax still or just top off with Si coating. Can’t thank you enough for the high quality detailed videos been watching for months now🤙

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  3 года назад

      In my wash and wax package I only use the Si02 on the non skid.
      To wax non skid or buff it, it’s an extra charge.

  • @tateabney5557
    @tateabney5557 3 года назад +1

    Killer video!!! I love it thank you!

  • @lousisanimalr718
    @lousisanimalr718 3 года назад +2

    Hey just starting to follow you love your videos your videos help me out skit I’m starting my business soon trying to learn as much I can from you then I’m out 😆. But I wanted tell you I follow you yea little for the videos but mostly cause your energy positive vibe like I am in real life doing things right helping people. So that being said I would love to see more rvs and card if possible. Please. If I not I understand. Your a busy man I have 3 kids believe me I understand. Keep up the great work stay safe and healthy. Keep in touch not in a weird way lol 😆 earthier

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  3 года назад +1

      Thanks I appreciate you watching and supporting the channel! I flip jobs as they come, when I book an RV I'll video it!

  • @antarcticmonkeys
    @antarcticmonkeys 2 месяца назад

    I love this look. Could I use this technique for my covered porch on my house?

  • @mohsinvall
    @mohsinvall 3 года назад

    Thank you for sharing. Very informative. Hope some day you make a video of how to deal with damaged teak caulking and how to apply fresh caulking. Thank you bro.

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  3 года назад +1

      Thanks bro! I don't do re caulking, I sub that stuff out!

  • @kenw772
    @kenw772 2 года назад

    Great job and super tips on treating teak, thanks

  • @SCARTHYBOY692
    @SCARTHYBOY692 3 года назад +1

    Got a project to do, customer has varnished their team deck and put sand in it to make it anti slip. I’m convincing him to bring it back to bare teak and oil it, It looks naff. I’m thinking 60 grit to get the varnish off, re caulk and and with 80’ to get the excess caulk off, then teak oil it to finish? Let me know if you think anything could be done better. EPIC CHANNEL!

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  2 года назад

      Hey man! Unfortunately I’ve never had the experience with that type of job, sorry :/

    • @philippbecker2354
      @philippbecker2354 8 месяцев назад

      No oil

  • @matthieubidal4288
    @matthieubidal4288 3 года назад

    Excellent ! Just like every other videos !

  • @ElevateYacht
    @ElevateYacht 3 года назад +1

    Great detail and explanation. Keep up the great work!

  • @martybernal8977
    @martybernal8977 2 года назад

    Thank You, I really needed this info, with so many videos on teak diy this was very informative and helpful.
    I have 2 questions… 1) I know you mentioned no oils/stains but do you have a video on diy oil/stain application?
    2) how do I do the trim or get those close edges I avoid?

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  2 года назад

      I do not have any videos on teak oil because I do not like or use it 😎

    • @martybernal8977
      @martybernal8977 2 года назад

      @@DrakesDetailing none of your customers have requested it, if one does can you video it?

    • @derekw6898
      @derekw6898 2 года назад +1

      @@martybernal8977 I work at a marina and sand/oil teak often. I always double tape around the edges of the teak to prevent nicking the gelcoat. Those tighter areas that you can’t get with a sander will require hand sanding as best as you can. I use Star Brite Premium Golden Teak Oil and literally just use a rag to apply it and I always do 2 coats. It’s a brighter stain and looks great. Happy customers every time

  • @williejones5439
    @williejones5439 3 года назад +1

    Am diong teak work so am watching thanks bro

  • @AtomicPapaya
    @AtomicPapaya 9 месяцев назад

    10:51 “IF YOUR GELCOAT” Haha can you imagine hitting gelcoat with that

  • @itdafuzz
    @itdafuzz 3 года назад

    Another incredible knowledge bomb! Appreciate it brother 👍

  • @TheMarpalm
    @TheMarpalm 3 года назад

    Oh to have young knees. Great video. Any thoughts on how to protect gel coat besides just “being careful”? Thanks

  • @setharnold999
    @setharnold999 2 года назад

    Not going lower than 80 for flooring is a good idea thanks for the tips

  • @sachachanyan
    @sachachanyan 2 года назад

    Extremely helpful, thanks!

  • @frankmoyer5822
    @frankmoyer5822 2 года назад

    I just finished a job, I am not too proud of. All the exterior teak on a 35 ft sailboat. I was to sand and coat all surfaces with six coats of Sikens Cetol.
    But the boat is on the water in a river. The wind blew 18 to 22 mph almost every day, and every night birds pooped all over the newly coated surfaces.
    Most of the deck hardware had to be taped off rather than removed (stanchions, cleats, winches etc...) and the teak was heavily grooved. So, I didn't sand enough as it would have made for 1/4" raised areas under each piece of metal. Now I wish I had sanded the he'll out of it anyway.

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  2 года назад

      Hey, it happens sometimes! I’m sure it looks great 😎

  • @chrismiami8
    @chrismiami8 3 года назад

    How do you like the Mirka sander ? I Just bought it a couple weeks ago It looks beautiful what you’re doing

  • @doozy1955
    @doozy1955 2 года назад

    Great job, thanks for the information.

  • @michalbernad8464
    @michalbernad8464 3 года назад

    Great work and good video ! Regards

  • @sam-bartlett
    @sam-bartlett 6 месяцев назад

    Hi Drake, a question - I have both fibreglass and teak restoration to do on my boat; which should I do first? Thx

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  6 месяцев назад

      I’d do fiberglass first… then teak

  • @StefsEngineering
    @StefsEngineering 2 года назад

    nice job! Also nice fishing chair, that one is not cheap..... Release Marine Tirllion (or carolina) fighting chair

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  2 года назад +1

      No doubt! Those fighting chairs are crazy expensive!

  • @MattyMattnj1
    @MattyMattnj1 2 года назад +1

    If you just doing a small section like hoverboards instead of buying part A and Part B in quantity can I just use a diluted solution of muriatic acid?

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  2 года назад

      I suppose you could, but I like staying consistent with every job like this

  • @richiesquest3283
    @richiesquest3283 9 месяцев назад

    Hi Drake i have dropped oven cleaner on my teak floor its gone jet black would you think sanding will remove it.

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  9 месяцев назад

      Try a small spot and see. It depends how long it has soaked for… it may only be on the surface layer, or it could have soaked through the entire plank of teak.

  • @marcoavesani228
    @marcoavesani228 14 дней назад

    Well done Mate

  • @stevewarner1575
    @stevewarner1575 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for your videos. I've learned a ton. I was binge watching past episodes and purchased a few products after. In addition to other recommended tools, I purchased Jescar Power Lock, Woody Wax, and McKee's Nautical One Hydro Rinse SiO2 Coating. The problem is I can't remember what to use where - do you have a cheat sheet?

    • @stevewarner1575
      @stevewarner1575 3 года назад +1

      More specific- the non-skid. Woody or McKee?

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  3 года назад +1

      Thanks for watching! Jescar will be your wax on smooth gel coat, you can also use it on your non skid. Apply once every 4 to 6 months.
      Woody wax is great on your metal!
      Hydro rinse is great as a topper on the Jescar, once a month or so after washing, spray on the product and rise off immediately

    • @stevewarner1575
      @stevewarner1575 3 года назад +1

      @@DrakesDetailing one last question. After I lay the wax down, should I keep using Purple Power for regular washing (dirt, fish blood, bird poop, etc.) or switch to a boat soap?

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  3 года назад +1

      Switch to starke pure clean! It won’t hurt the wax.
      drakesmarinedetailsupply.com/collections/starke-surface-technology/products/starke-pure-clean-boat-soap

  • @loveniacannon3302
    @loveniacannon3302 Год назад +1

    Very user friendly.

  • @williamanderson9714
    @williamanderson9714 2 года назад

    i have some teak on my old sailboat that the previous owner finished with polyurethane and it is now flaking off in some places. i can't seem to find any videos on refinishing teak that has been sealed with polyurethane. how would I go about that?

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  2 года назад

      You will just need to sand it back down to bear wood and through all the crap, then re-stain

  • @richardnye3469
    @richardnye3469 Год назад

    Can you use a Flex 3401VRG for sanding along with a shop vac? I'm a DIYer on a 57 foot trawler and I have a large cockpit, side decks and Portugeuese bridge with teak decking. I use the Flex for polishing gelcoat, and it would be great to use that for sanding as well. What are your thoughts?

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  Год назад

      I personally would not. The 3401 is too powerful for sanding. Stick with a DA for sanding.

  • @alexle4347
    @alexle4347 3 года назад

    Awesome video! How do you recommend cleaning teak surfaces? Do you think a soft brush and boat soap will do the job to maintain?

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  3 года назад

      Thanks for watching
      Use pure clean to wash the boat and teak once every 2 weeks or so. Use starke teak clean to clean teak once every 3 months
      - Starke Teak Clean A & B bit.ly/2YrT57z​
      - Starke Pure Clean Boat Soap bit.ly/3tdTDMg​

  • @shaynegriffiths3396
    @shaynegriffiths3396 3 года назад +1

    Can you do do a full review on that mirka sander

  • @beaulster
    @beaulster 3 года назад +1

    Wow dude. Wow!!!

  • @hughsmith4464
    @hughsmith4464 3 года назад

    Hi Drake, since you don't like oils.... What do you use when teak oil has been used on it?

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  2 года назад

      Just strip it with a good degreasing stub, then do all the same steps! 😎

  • @diegosboattube6262
    @diegosboattube6262 2 года назад +1

    Good resoult ...but get yourself a Fain multitool to cut trough the rubber..less hassle!

  • @jefferysmithwick1651
    @jefferysmithwick1651 3 года назад +1

    Why do you not use Semco?

  • @alexdimbel
    @alexdimbel Год назад

    What should i do if i have some teaks that are not “glued” to the fiberglass? Any experience?

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  Год назад

      Hey bro! Haven’t personally encountered that. I would assume that means it’s rotten

  • @dalelatty6072
    @dalelatty6072 2 года назад

    Looking to hire out a teak deck refinish in the Brunswick, GA area. Can you give me a general idea of expected pricing per sq/ft?

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  2 года назад

      Hey bro! It’s been a while since I’ve done this. I’d say between 3-$6 per square foot

  • @thomasstewartii1487
    @thomasstewartii1487 3 года назад

    How do you price between just a Teak wash/clean decking, Sanding of decking or Toe rail, and sealing toe rail?

  • @alisonrahn9873
    @alisonrahn9873 3 года назад

    How much did you spend in expenses and charge for the job? Do you measure out how much teak there is or go by day?

  • @MattyMattnj1
    @MattyMattnj1 2 года назад

    Is it okay to get the part A and B on the gelcoat or the outside of the hull if you're doing teak gunnels?.... also is it the same 80-grit process for teak gunnels?

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  2 года назад

      It should be fine, just make sure that you rinse it off the gel quickly. Nothing sitting on the gel for too long is ever good

  • @benc1927
    @benc1927 Год назад

    Well done, but I must say, it looks so much better with an oil finish on it

  • @anotherdaywithjana7286
    @anotherdaywithjana7286 3 года назад

    What process do you recommend for restoring interior teak flooring?

  • @Burritosarebetterthantacos
    @Burritosarebetterthantacos 2 года назад

    I redid my entire sailboat gelcoat with Drake compound. Ill probably buy a Mirka just because the man said so! Also, Im pretty sure teak has silica so wear a mask homie!

  • @rationalinvest
    @rationalinvest 3 года назад

    Beautiful

  • @joeymungo3366
    @joeymungo3366 Год назад

    Thanks Legend🤙

  • @holdenbaldassi3697
    @holdenbaldassi3697 3 года назад

    What happened to me was that the boat was so old that i started reaching the end of the caulking and the wood was starting to poke through. Had to hold my sander at an angle alll alon the caulk lines. Poor quoting job on that one haha

  • @scarecrowghost20
    @scarecrowghost20 3 года назад +1

    great video. how much should I charge for a job like this ?

  • @dimitarpavlov3955
    @dimitarpavlov3955 2 года назад

    Can I apply teak sealer shortly after I have applied oil? Oil appears to be poisonous to pets and now I am thinking of sealing it. Thanks

  • @darkskater107
    @darkskater107 3 года назад +1

    What's your thoughts on Snappy 2 part system?

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  3 года назад +2

      It’s good stuff! Do the same way I did in the video

    • @darkskater107
      @darkskater107 3 года назад +1

      @@DrakesDetailing Cool. Thats what I normally use since its easily available

  • @qno-oj3py
    @qno-oj3py 5 месяцев назад

    Why do you not use a handheld belt sander. Works much faster and much smoother.

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  4 месяца назад

      Because this is the way I do it💯
      I don’t really do teak that much

  • @mike_smithbike
    @mike_smithbike 3 года назад +1

    Did you re stain it after sanded

  • @skatejoni1
    @skatejoni1 2 года назад

    Why you arent usung the mirka sander for wetsanding? I use the mirka so what difference is it to use a da?

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  2 года назад

      There is no difference, I personally use cheaper machines will wet sanding because they tend to go out or break more often with water.

  • @BG-yr4xs
    @BG-yr4xs 3 года назад +1

    Hey man love the videos!! I’m new to the boat detailing world and I wanna know what you think about paying for training? There’s a couple of classes you can take here in Jacksonville, Fl that are hands on 2-3 days. Do you think its worth the $500-900? Or should I watch as many “how to” videos on RUclips as I can take notes and go from there? Thanks!

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  3 года назад +2

      Thanks for watching! Having good hands on training is by far the better option, but with that said I don't know of many good training classes out there. I will usually do 1 or 2 classes a year, I will keep you posted on my next one. Follow me on instagram @Drakes.Detailing

  • @bubbabubbie1
    @bubbabubbie1 Год назад

    Estimate on the teak sanding? Thx

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  Год назад

      There’s a lot of variables that go into quoting teak decks. It’s a buy estimate only kind of thing. I don’t have a specific structure for that. You just need to figure out your cost of materials and go buy an hourly rate.

  • @jenniferlivermore1593
    @jenniferlivermore1593 3 года назад

    Why didn't you trim the caulk first? 🤔

  • @shaynegriffiths3396
    @shaynegriffiths3396 3 года назад

    Can that sander be use on gelcoat

  • @KaitlynIrish
    @KaitlynIrish 10 месяцев назад

    How would you price a job like this?

  • @larrywilliams5313
    @larrywilliams5313 Год назад

    1)always wear a respirator when doing teak sanding not a dust mask that shit will ruin your lungs.2)always wear knee pads unless you want to end up half crippled like I am in your old age.3)take a single edge razor blade put your finger in the middle and bend upward a little bit and tape off your index finger and you will knock down your raised caulk like butter.I have done an 85 ft boat -dive platform -and bow deck in 4hours.always finish with 100 grit it will remove all scratches and be slick.anything above that grit could result in liability because it will become real slick.and when I am done I use Teak plus / Teak minus teak cleaner it will not damage your deck at all do use Snappy Teak part 1 or 2 it is the worse product on the market because it eats all of soft wood out and then your sanding again.use Seal Once for a sealer works great is about $70 dollars a gallon compared to Dy-tec at $200 a gallon .And Semco teak sealer does not last that long in the sunlight and you have got to use acid to remove again damage if your wood.you can buy the products on Amazon .after 45 years in the private yacht world you get it right.Tight Lines Capt Larry

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  Год назад

      Larry, Thanks for the tip(s). Been doing fine so far ;)

  • @YomamaPVT
    @YomamaPVT 2 года назад

    How do you make it look like that Chair

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  2 года назад

      Hey man! I personally haven’t done anything like that so I could not exactly tell you…. but there is a lot tedious sanding and high gloss marine grade varnish involved!

  • @TeachAManToAngle
    @TeachAManToAngle 3 года назад +1

    I’ve oiled teak accents for forty years and it’s still in great shape with only one full sanding in that time frame.
    Drake - I’m still not 100% sure why you don’t oil like you would and other wood.

  • @MassSpectrumInd
    @MassSpectrumInd 2 года назад

    Murphy's Oil Soap my instincts tell me to use as maint cleaner

  • @mitjaamersek1917
    @mitjaamersek1917 2 года назад

    how about pricing?

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  2 года назад

      m.ruclips.net/video/0WN0CQkEljo/видео.html
      m.ruclips.net/video/oU8yRzaBVkM/видео.html
      These should help! 😎🔥

  • @alejandrofernandez290
    @alejandrofernandez290 2 месяца назад

    😊

  • @Annieswaney
    @Annieswaney 2 года назад

    Sanding the teak scares the heck out of me. I still don’t feel comfortable doing it.

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  2 года назад

      It’s not bad at all, give it a try sometime :)

  • @henryostman5740
    @henryostman5740 2 года назад

    Let me explain the difference between a boat and a yacht. On a boat, you sand and finish the teak, on a yacht your write the check for the guy who does that. In either case they don't have 'floors', they are called 'decks'.

  • @chadsulli2525
    @chadsulli2525 2 года назад

    Thank you. Great Info. Protect your knowledge and professional future, get some kneepads..your so going to regret not doing that, I do.

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  2 года назад

      Thanks! Hahah yeah, I tend to beat myself up quite a bit 🤣

  • @SoftSemtex
    @SoftSemtex Год назад

    i have a strong opinion on caulk, but i probably shouldnt share it in a youtube comment^^

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  Год назад

      Cool 💯

    • @SoftSemtex
      @SoftSemtex Год назад

      @@DrakesDetailing i didnt think you would ever read that, and now i feel silly v.v the video is helping me restore my sister's balcony tho, even if it's a totally different setting where no caulk is involved :>

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  Год назад

      Sweet! Glad it could help! 💯

  • @ralgor100
    @ralgor100 2 года назад

    you didn´t use a mask when machine sanding tsk tsk

  • @paulremolina8788
    @paulremolina8788 3 года назад

    Thx , great info, but you could do this same video in less than 2 minutes,
    Think about it.

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  3 года назад

      Well some people appreciate watching the process not just getting the info quickly. Thanks for watching though

  • @eastgreenlander5016
    @eastgreenlander5016 Год назад

    Dude. Use knee pads and mask. But beautiful work

    • @DrakesDetailing
      @DrakesDetailing  Год назад

      Knee pads are for the weak! Ha jk
      Thanks for watching

  • @bartverhaagen
    @bartverhaagen 7 месяцев назад

    Try speaking a bit slower…….

  • @adamfrey6166
    @adamfrey6166 3 года назад

    wow all the hand waving is really distracting, video would be way better with less video moving