Sound Devices 633: Why Do Pros Use Gear Like This?
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- Because I love sound and am aiming to take on more jobs as a mixer, I recently bought the Sound Devices 633 mixer/recorder. This is a much more capable mixer and recorder than my previous recorders including the Zoom F8, the Tascam DR-60DmkII, and others. The Sound Devices will be my primary recorder and the Zoom F8 my backup recorder.
One question I’ve heard several times, and indeed, a question I’ve asked myself is, why does a mixer/recorder like the 633 cost so much more than something like a Tascam DR-60DmkII. Why $3000 more?!
In this episode, we cover some of the features on the 633 that make it the type of device that professional sound recordists and mixers choose.
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Gear mentioned in or used to record this episode:
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Sound Devices 633 6 Input Mixer and 10 Track Recorder
B&H, Sweetwater: geni.us/EnMz
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Audio Technica AT4053b Hypercardioid Microphone
Amazon: geni.us/Crio
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Nikon D750 Camera
Amazon: geni.us/0Dhpmy
B&H Photo: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product...
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Zoom F8 Audio Recorder
DVeStore: www.dvestore.com/pro-audio/rec...
Amazon: geni.us/IEGI
B&H Photo: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product...
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Tascam DR-60DmkII Audio Recorder
Amazon: geni.us/uUz30o6
B&H Photo: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product...
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d-tap to hirose cable
B&H: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product...
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Anton Bauer Digital 90 Battery with d-tap output
B&H: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...
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Orca OR-30 Sound Bag
B&H: bhpho.to/2mNoPlR
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Copyright 2016 by Curtis Judd
Ethics statement: Some of the links above are Amazon.com, B&H Photo, or other affiliate links.
NOTE: This video is not meant to convince you to buy a pro level recorder/mixer when you aren't making a living as a location sound mixer. Just an explanation for why full-time location sound mixers buy gear like this. In other words, for them, it makes perfect sense to spend $3300 on a recorder like this. For someone making RUclips videos or short films for fun as a hobby, probably does not make sense.
Curtis Judd I’ve been making a living as a location mixer with an F8. So far it hasn’t been a problem. When would you say is a good time to upgrade? I don’t want to be caught with my pants down so to say.
@@huckwalton2307 I think a good time is when you have enough paid jobs to pay for the mixer without affecting your ability to pay for all of your other expenses. I don't advocate going into debt for this in 99.9% of cases. Best to start with the F8 like you and grow until the jobs pay for the gear.
Curtis Judd thank you. That’s kind of how I felt, but there are times when a client sends a curve ball your way. Appreciate the advice, and your fast response. You’re the best!
Curtis yelling is the most hilarious thing I've ever heard.
+Sir Sebastian Edutainment by a nerd. :-)
+Curtis Judd Got a LOL over here :)
Yep more shouting in your videos Curtis! You need to find more excuses to do that.
More limiter tests and gain staging demonstrations!
It would be more entertaining if you shouted throughout the entire video duration but I guess more limiter and gain demos is a good starting point.
Yay, real gear! Seriously, you do such nice reviews. I love that you pointed out the real differences here, such as most of the signal can be "handled" before it hits digital world, and the quality of the device itself. Thanks for doing what you do.
+Basic Filmmaker thanks! It so often turns out to be the little things that make a huge difference...
Amazing overview!! And this is an incredible device. Thanks Curtis!
+CZsWorld Thanks!
Excellent video Curtis. I may never need to actually own one of these, but I watched the video from start to finish just for educational value and understanding of what is looked for in a pro level recorder/mixer. Cheers, Joe
+Joe's Photo & Video Channel Thanks Joe, I appreciate that!
Hi Curtis! First of all I want to say I'm very grateful for all of your videos and amazing work that you do for the community. RUclips is blessed to have you. 🙏 I'm hoping you can shed some light on my situation for me. I've been recording with a Tascam DR60D MK1 and a Audio Technica 897 mic and also a Shure SM7B. There's a little bit of hiss with the 897, but I could still produce good audio that my audience enjoyed. The SM7B pushed my recorder to the limit (never used a cloud lifter) but I was still able to produce some good audio with some EQing. I'm now changing things up and I'm working/recording in a big open room with some reverb, so I bought the Sennheiser MKH50 to deal with the untreated room. Now here's where things gets interesting. The MKH50 produces super clean audio with the Tascam DR60D MK1. I also bought a Sound Devices 633 and when I compare the audio of the Tascam with the 633 using the MKH50 it's almost a coin flip. They both sound super good. However, when it comes to the SM7B the 633 is way better than the Tascam. My question for you is, are microphones more important than recorder/mixers and I should prioritize mics over recorder/mixers? Is there anything I'm doing wrong with the 633? Like maybe I'm only using $20 worth of the mixer which is netting me the same results as the Tascam? Your knowledge and expertise is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
John
Everything in an audio signal chain impacts audio quality (at least up through the analogue to digital converters). In order of impact:
1) microphone (and position of mic, and characteristics of recording space)
2) preamp/recorder/mixer/audio interface
3) audio cables.
@@curtisjudd Awesome! Thank you so much for your help! God bless you!
Great video Curtis! Thanks for the explanation. Amazing overview !! Very detailed and complete.
+rk the inspirer Thanks!
Excellent, thank you! My friends and I make RUclips videos together and are continually finding that there are extant technical solutions to each new problem that arises. So this and your other videos answer many of the questions about why we’d want a particular feature or not, and they’re great education for us, thanks again.
You’re welcome and happy recording!
The 633 is my second favorite recorder. I love working with any of the Sound Devises recorders especially the 664. I used the 702T all weekend on a brutal shoot. Great video glad to see you expanding the range of information on your channel. I think people will like to see this evan if they cant afford it.
+DIYCameraGuy Thanks! I'd like to work with a 664 at some point as well. And this 700 series are pretty great as long as you don't have to do a lot of mixing.
Thanks Curtis. A general compliment for your videos is that the are paced and edited very nicely. At first I was thinking 16min! but after it was over, I was amazed at how quickly the time passed. Of course others have already commented of the superb content and I have to agree. Even if I never touch a Sound Devices recorder, I hsve a new appreciation. Thanks forbthis and your other videos.
+Bill Mohr Thanks Bill, I really appreciate that. I was a little nervous about how this one would resonate with our little community here.
+Curtis Judd Absolutely my pleasure. It's very apparent how much effort you put into your videos and I'm grateful to benefit from them.
By far the most thorough resource I've found on RUclips. Most reviews on pro location sound gear seems to come from recent film grads that recycle each others content - it's exhausting.
+Joshua Cuthbert thanks!
I just stumbled across your reviews, Curtis.Truly wonderful presentations - clear, concise,dry but with a touch of warmth. Perfect for this rookie looking to start a career in sound at 54 yrs of age ;)
Thanks Martin!
Hi, Curtis.
I've just started a TV role using 633's and found your video very helpful.
Thank you!
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Your videos are very much appreciated!!! Thank you! I'm looking to purchase Sound Devices 702 Portable, High-Resolution Audio Recorder and cannot find any video reviews on it. I thought the community (and my self) would appreciate having a review from someone like you. Thanks again for your work.
Hi David, thanks! The 700 series recorders are very, very good in terms of audio quality, durability, flexibility, etc. I don't quite have the funds to buy one, nor the need for one now that I have the 633, but if an opportunity arises to borrow one I'll happily do a review. I have used the 744T and loved it.
I think the main question is whether the 702 would provide everything you need. Unless you buy the T version, you won't have a timecode clock. Do you need that? Also, you need just two inputs? Those are the main questions. I haven't heard many people say, "Gosh, I don't really like my Sound Devices 7xx recorder..." Tons of pros are happily using them. The most derogatory I've really heard is, "I prefer XYZ recorders" filling in XYZ with Zaxcom or Aaton or Nagra, etc. Best wishes!
Hi Curtis,
As a sound recordist and teacher working with pro gear I watched this video with great interest. I also enjoy the clear way you express yourself without repetition. I have to say you absolutely nailed all the reasons why pros are prepared to pay more for reliability, longevity and quality in a product. The SD633 and its siblings are outstanding products for professionals. It's not only the product, its the spares and servicing and quick response from the support when you have a question or an issue. We run 8 of them and after two years of student abuse are confident we made a good choice. Other fine recording equipment is available of course and YMMV.
Thanks Cameron. I appreciate the feedback and the confirmation of your experience. Now that I'm 18 months in, I have no regrets spending the money for the 633. Its a great, solid, reliable tool and helps me get the creative work done in the timeframe that clients demand.
This was a great episode, I picked up the MixPre-D after watching it and am extremely happy with it!
+suckamuthabrutha Thanks and congrats!
I need to stop watching your videos, Curtis. I'm gonna blow all my money!
Oh no! My goal was to help you not spend your money on things you don't need!
Lol but this thing is AWESOME! Maybe one day I'll get it.
Adam McGrath i feel the same way! :)
Meeeeee Toooo. I've been wanting to get the SD10T but now after seeing this,.... I don't know what to get.
Thanks for the intro to this device. I'm impressed with this recorder!!
+Craig Duddles me too! Can't wait to use it on another project today.
Superb videos! Love the Sound Devices gear but way over the top for my needs. I needed something mainly that could capture line level stuff and sounded very good. In the end I went for a DR-100 mkIII and mostly happy with it.
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Thank you so much, Curtis! Your videos are great!
Thanks Mercedes!
depending how my work goes, probably 6 months down the lane I need devices such as this one, but watching your videos are really helping me A LOT gathering information not only on devices itself but the perfect use in different situations. Thanks Curtis for very informative videos (Y)
+Optimistic Simplicity Thank you!
I’ve used the SoundDevices 302 for years. Best piece of equipment I ever purchased. It’s 10 years old, field tested in severe situations and worth every penny spent. I love it!
👍 SD gear really is solid.
Love those popout gain controls, That's something I would use on any mixer. Just nice how they lock in place, so they can't be easily bumped. USB keyboard, another awesome feature.
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I can listen to Curtis for days, and it will still sound great. Good job dude.
+Abdijibar Cumar thanks man!
Hi Curtis, this is a great channel, thanks for all the hard work and useful information.
Do you have any videos which cover recording very quiet audio?
Thanks Matthew. Hmm, nothing specifically on quiet audio I'm afraid.
Fantastic review, very eye opening to see the differences and why the pros want/need the pro gear.
+Leftism11 Thanks.
Once again, great video, Curtis! The F8 does a lot of things very well, but I'll definitely want to upgrade to the 633, when I got the money. I think the F8 is a good initiative to the 633, the menu system is quite similar. Cheers
I agree! Thanks!
great reviews! I used zoom h6 with sd302 for LR phantom powered channels and h1 to backup recording (connected with mini xlr tape out from sd302)
+kaoladkua good combination, thanks!
Mr Judd,
Thanks for your beautiful review and knowledge.
Where are the days when they used the Nagra Kudelski recorders, Rolls Royce of recorders.
+Yootjoob Thanks! Ah the Nagra recorders. They're still making two channel recorders last I heard. Sort of old school but I am told that their preamps are still pretty amazing.
Great video! I love what I call your 'professional series' of videos. Information on what real professionals use and why. The analog limiters really show their value in the test. If I were doing work where that might be an issue, it would be a huge value. I also wondered: why don't more manufacturers offer a USB port to plug in a keyboard to enter in metadata? But let's even take it up a notch: from my brief research, these devices don't offer WiFi/Bluetooth. Do that and have a built-in web server to easier edit metadata and maybe even to organize files. I mean, $200 computer printers have been doing this for decades.
I don't really consider something like this 'expensive'. If someone is getting the volume of work and is upping their production values, then the cost of something like this should be in their budget and production rate.
I'm catching up on your videos. I'm confident with this information, I'll be much better prepared when I need to up my audio/video game!
Hi Ricardo, thanks! Sound Devices makes a USB dongle that allows you to connect to their iOS/Android app called Wingman via Bluetooth (added after I made this video). The app allows metadata entry and much larger meters.
Nice review curtis. Curtis is it possible if you do a review with the sound devices mm1 couple together with a recorder like the zoom h6. It will be greatly appreciated.
Hi Curtis, I am pretty sure that I've left similar comment already. But I wanted to let you know again how awesome your videos are. THANK YOU!!
Thank you Jack, much appreciated!
Extreme gear lust. Great video.
Haha! Thanks Ray.
the best review I've seen, and thanks for clearing my doubts, but I always tilt by Sound Devices 633, Greetings from Chile
Thanks and greetings from the Rocky Mountains, USA. :)
cochoy
Love your review. I've used both Zoom F8 and I own a Tascam dr-70d and while they are excellent on small indie tasks, they have some very serious problems when you are doing bigger gigs.
Power is probably one of the biggest concerns and I've had critical situations in this respect. A Sounddevice is, just for that reason ALONE, a much more safe choice for any proffessional that cannot delay the wole set for more than a minute.
+Patrick Larsen thanks Patrick, completely agree regarding power options.
Your videos are the best, Curtis.
+Carl S. Miller Thanks Carl.
Holy shit just discovered this guy's channel and it's fricken amazing!
+vanzetti7 thanks!
Hey, Thanks for making videos covering prosumer/professional equipment as well as the consumer stuff. Seeing the differences in the devices is incredibly interesting. Would you mind doing a video covering how to set up sound recording equipment and what types of settings we should look to change? I recently needed to purchase a recorder (ended up with the DR-60Dmkii) for some videos I will be shooting and would love a professionals opinions on what settings should be (or at least an explanation of what the settings accomplish even if they shouldn't be changed from stock).
+John Coffey Yes, in fact we just covered this last week in our Sound for Video session associated with my sound course which you can watch here for free: plus.google.com/b/113032879696266987155/events/cjjes5ocd5gs833meuda2ae0dng And we'll cover this again here in the future.
Awesome, thanks!!
Curtis Judd
Holy buckets... and I thought the F8 was a bunch.
I was thinking of upgrading to the F8, I currently have the TASCAM DR-70D for video work.
I might have to rent one of these to give it a try sometime.
Great vid, as always, Curtis!
+DKlarations Holy Buckets of cash, I know! The Zoom F8 is worth every dime, still love mine.
I think I'm still gonna be on the DR-70D for a little while, if I'm upgrading things I think i'll be putting it elsewhere for now - it sure is fun to dream though!
This is a very good and useful review Curtis. We bought a Zoom F8 for wildlife recording. I like its functionallity but I'm not that happy with the sound that I think is quite harsh. Especially insects and brighter birds are not sounding as pleasant as I would like. Our plan is to probably upgrade 633.
Thanks Andreas and best wishes!
Curtis Love all your Video's truly amazing.I suggest anyone watch from the beginning of your Video's Learned so much.Deb👌👍
Thanks Deb!
Thanks Curtis for sharing your observations. I didn't understand the real differences between the Sound Devices 633 and consumers products before watching this video. When your living in on the line I don't think there is any doubt as to what unit you would choose.
Thanks Gary. I was curious about the differences for a long time as well. This weekend I was the location mixer for a short film and found the 633 made my job a fair bit easier.
Yes I caught up with your comments on the Saturday job. Bit of an adventure filming in the bathroom. My wife hates those scenes in movies. It's a man thing she says.
+Simple Audio Tips I'm not a fan of those scenes either, but the job required it. :)
Great and highly educational video as always, thanks! You're slowly convincing me to upgrade from my H5 but I can't because I have to be portable as a one-man band so it has to live on the camera :) I'll invest in a nice microphone first.
+Tobi Dnz Thanks Tobi. Definitely use what works for you. I totally understand the challenges of the one-man-band scenario.
I love coming back to visit this presentation. A reminder of who this is for. Paid for your trade. Your client deserves the best you can dependably deliver. Also the electronics are just a dream. I am sure fully regulated fully complementary stages. A chassis for great isolation and vibration. I could imagine this even as a High End Audiophile source component. This screams Nagra. My benchmark of quality. Swiss perfection. I remember and love the Nagra 3 and 4 series reel to reels. On location at the Rain Forest or the heat of the Desert and more Nagra is the one. I like to think Sound Devices does at least some of this. The toy by Zoom uses so so OP Amps, and so on and built to a cost. Made for many vs. the Sound Devices made for the Professional few. Or aspiring Audiophile like me. I can dream can't I?
Thanks Vincent. Never stop dreaming!
I owned a Nagra for a while awesome and I still use Beyerdynamic cans
I have a DR-60 D and the Dr_60Mk3.....(also 3 H1's).i have a Rode Blimp/boom along with the NTG-2 and the Rode stereo mic. Watching your ,(imho) well done videos is giving me the courage to 'get out there' and see if i could help someone with sound for film/video.Heck .....i'm not even that far from Woodstock NY, where there is the Film Board. I like doing filming as well ......but ,i feel encouraged ,as this might be a way to get my feet in the proverbial door.(?)
Definitely get out there and get recording! A hungry mind and passion will take you far.
Great video Curtis! Thanks for the explanation! I create content on RUclips and like to see what the next level brings to the table. I agree this might be extreme overkill for what I do but it was good to see why the price is so much higher. Thanks for the great work
+TechExamined Thanks for the feedback! I had serious reservations about even talking about a piece of gear like this but then realized, hey, everyone else probably also wants to know why these things are so pricey so why not talk about that?
my gosh! the audio sounds so good in this video!!
+Allan Zepeda thanks!
This.... Would love to see what clean up and post processing was applied here..
For this piece, I use a phase rotation plugin to make the waveform symmetric around the - infinity line (my voice and this mic almost always result in asymmetric waveforms), I compressed the transients, and then normalized to -16.5 LUFS. You can see a demo of most of the workflow here if you're interested: ruclips.net/video/MJSNe28su4k/видео.html
Very helpful thanks
+Anthony Roberts You're welcome.
Even when you yell in your limiter example, you still have a soothing voice Curtis! Hope you are well!
Haha! Thanks Thomas, good to hear from you!
Thanks to your video, i now do see the value of SD limiters! I get the pricetag too. You taught me something! \o/
Thanks for the feedback!
Great review on the 633 I would never confuse a 633 for a DR-60D, wish I could afford one of these gems.
+John Sims Thanks!
Excellent explanation, especially about the significance of analog limiting and filtering before the preamps. I've been looking at various SD mixer/recorders vs the Zooms (currently using a Tascam DR40 and the preamps on my SonyFS100) and this video will help me make my final choice. I just started using a Blackmagic Design ATEM Production Studio and Hyperdeck recorder, and the fan noise has been giving me fits in post production. I was about to move everything into another room and run 30' SDI cables, but that is very inconvenient on the road. If I can filter out the fan noise effectively before the preamps, that would save me a lot of time and improve the audio quality, too. That alone would justify a SD purchase if the Zoom F8 doesn't have a similar capability.
Thanks. The high pass filter may help a bit with fan noise, but will not totally eliminate that given that it is a broadband sound source. You'll still want to look at ways to separate the fan noise from the area you're miking. A sound or packing blanket between the set and position of the ATEM should help a fair bit. Best wishes!
Thanks for the quick reply - good point about the broadband sound source. So many variables, so little time.
Hi Curtis, Great review on the 633, thanks for doing these. Question; How easy/involved (read; quickly) is using inputs 4-6 on this device? I'm considering getting one for these as my primary recorder, and like the fact that it can handle 6 discreet inputs.
Any thoughts you can share?
Lastly, does this record mp3's as a secondary file? Thanks.
Thanks Chip! Inputs 4-6 are line level inputs (sorry, you may already have known that, but just wanted to confirm). They're easy to set up by simply toggling the channel switch to the right, then setting the gain with the left menu encoder.
Yes, you can record MP3 to one or both cards (CF or SD). Typically one would record wav to CF, MP3 to SD. Good luck!
I'm in process of buying now. I have a MixPre 6, which I like, especially the preamps. Are the 633 preamps the same as MP6 or are MP6 preamps better? I see you use a Anton Bauer Digital 90 battery in your bag. That's how I power my MP6- what bag are you using? I live in rural Massachusetts and there are no sound people in the area and film work is getting popular. I hope my sound gear investment pays off. I am also getting a Schoeps CMC641 Set. I can't afford to add a Schoeps shotgun, but my NGT3 should keep me going a year- or do you recommend a CMT 5U over the 641? Thanks- Leo
Hi Leo, the 633's preamps are better in my opinion. I use the Orca OR-30 bag: bhpho.to/2BfQ3Wh
Your NTG3 should serve you fine. I'd rather have a CMC641 and NTG3 than just a CMIT5U but I do a lot of indoor shooting. Good luck!
It just seems like it's a little bit more basier when I upload my RUclips videos. But I think I figured out how to compensate that. Great job on your tutorials you were a big help to me. Also check out the Sony FS five it is the little brother of the FS seven. But the black magic is also an awesome camera. Providing you use it great lens!
Thanks, will do!
If you are starting out or on a budget and you are wondering whether you should invest in something like this or mics. Choose mics, they make way more of a difference. The sound quality is up to par on lower end recorders like the Zoom H6 or F4 and F8. I know a lot of pros that work with very low end stuff, but they alway have great mics. Later when you have more money, invest in a Sound Devices recorder.
Good advice. I like to say, invest in the end of the signal chain first. Those are the parts that last the longest. That includes microphones for recording, near field monitors for post work, and lenses for cameras. Thanks!
Yup...gotta get one of these now.
Still loving the 633 here!
Sound Devices just did some magic... they added full MixAssist and Dugan Automix to the latest firmware release v4.50 for the 633! This is a big surprise because prior queries about auto mixing in the 633 were rebuffed with 'can't be done, not enough processor in the 633 for that'. I have the new firmware and auto mixing works really well. This upgrade is no charge as usual even though it adds a previously unavailable highly valuable feature worth hundreds of dollars if not thousands if purchased separately as an outboard unit.
Yes, brilliant addition! Just updated the firmware and looking forward to putting it to work!
I watched this video when you first published it and I just watched it again to validate my Sound Devices purchase - now I'm off to re-watch your other knowledge filled videos. Thank you for posting these!What is the best microphone for corporate interviews (featuring only the interviewer and interviewee)?
Congrats on the new recorder. Good luck recording some great sound!
Here are a few comparisons of various mics I use indoors: ruclips.net/video/q-b_1gOYOEQ/видео.html
And two others:
ruclips.net/video/iLOp-_oIzeg/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/RYWD5wI6B9k/видео.html
Thank you for the reply and a very prompt one at that! I will watch all those videos and thank you again!!! If you're ever in Houston, TX I will buy you a beer.
Hi Mr Judd! Thank you for your educational videos! You are best! I've learnt alot from you! :) *p.s. It's hilarious to hear you yelling! ;p
Thanks! Glad to hear that the yelling is not only educational but also entertaining! 😀
I think I'm in love with this product...
I know that I am, even 18 months later. :)
my NAGRA VI is the best ! made in switzerland and amazing sound with my SCHOEPS mk 21
A dream machine, Thanks
+Felipe Henao Dreamy, indeed! Thank you.
Try and review a Nagra Seven one day. I hear it’s a lovely machine. Besides that I just brought a used 633 on eBay thanks to your review, so thank you sir. I plan to record cooking videos for RUclips haha, but I’m a bit of a recording nerd (collecting analog Nagras, mainly 😊)
It's definitely on my list. Best wishes with the cooking videos!
Hi Chris!
Keep up the good work!
Just a couple of thoughts as a feedback, from a mildly experienced field recordist: the 6 series, and the 633 has the following issues wich bothers me: usb port right there: once you plug it in, its tricky to open the media door (you can actually take that door away though). INCREDIBLY low quality slate mic (thisone I dont get, just compare it to the f8, and you'll see what I mean). The menu itself for me is sometimes not that logical, it might be a personal preference. Lets swap to the 664, nighmare, can rout only ch1 and 6 prefader to the aux buses, i had it frozen several times, when using it with a cl12, and so on. Now, cl12 is also 3 times the price as a zoom f8 (not mentioning it's controll), and it has several ergonomical issues (position of the rec button, the turn know is not very discrete, etc). Also, how the fuck they imagines to power it through a micro usb is beyond my thinking....
Other advantages the zoom has for me is channel selection, is so clear to select a channel there for recording, I made the mistake of mixing in, but not recording channels by accident with the 664, where as the zoom makes it kind of impossible (this is both and advantege and disadvantage as well, but I would rather record useless channels (if I have to have a feedback channel, or something like that), than to forget to record an iso for a lav, because I forgot to arm it. I guess its only problem for the dumb....
Now I'm not saying, sound devices is bad, I undestand the analogue quality to be an issue (althoug on a production, almoust everything you put in an imput is already went through a limiter outside of the recorder, cause we all use wireless 99% of the time) and I belive that they spent a lot on being relyable in various conditions (although I heard zoom is doing pretty well on that as well), but I get so annoyed buy some of their issues (like the slate mic quality) in this price range. The 633 can have 6 inputs, but only 3 preamps, and it's probably more than 3 times more than an f8, which provides you with 8 inputs. And the f series knows more or less everything you need on a professional shoot. The 6 series is an old gem though, hard to compare, but in order to compete with zoom, they made the mixpre series, wich is another joke (still more expensive with fewer inputs, and having issues like recording only to one media!!! nighmare)
Of course, if you have a big production, with more than 4 output needs, and a lot of inputs, your small zoom wont be enough, but that is again a completely different legue. You have a mixer console to add, you have metadata, you have TC, slate mic, an adroid app, can attache a keyboard.... We could point out a few things not very good (small knobs, or the quality of the dig. limiters), but considering they're practically for free, the zoom f8 is really covering your bases.
And in my opinion zoom listens to what the customer wants much more than SD. They seem much more practical for me.
And if you're a big dog, and have money, from what I heard, I would much more consider the zax system to buy, than putting together SD 688, or even the scorpio, with some lectros....
I dont know why I'm against SD so much, but I feel they're a bit outdated, and people cheerish them for the memories from 10-20 years ago. Now you have much better options. In my humble opinion....
Thanks Péter. I now use a Sound Devices 888 and am quite happy with it.
@@curtisjudd Sure Curtis (sorry, I said Chris before, slip of a tongue!), I'm not saying Sound devices is not good at all. I'm only saying, the 6 and 7 series is a bit outdated, and that zoom brought a very strong thing in the game, and it also pushed SD to develop better. For the money, the zoom offers incredible staff, much more convincing to me, that SD-s. Obviously, I have higher expectations, for 5 times the price... What I mentioned, the zaxcom with all the featurer, that is again a different game, the integrity is incredible. Almost had the chance to work on that recently :D
With these having said, I just bought a 744t, but it almost didnt cost me anything, so like that it's okay :D
Thanks for the video Curtis! I'm incredibly interested in getting more into production sound recording. My main focus has been in live sound and studio recording, although I've worked as an intern in post-houses in the past. I have a few questions about recorders and mixers. First, is there any advantage to using a dedicated recorder like the 702T rather than a recorder with a built in mixer like the 633? Is the 633 used in situations where there is no dedicated production sound mixer (ie the boom op is doing both jobs). And lastly, is having a mixer absolutely necessary? Couldn't I use something like a 702T and monitor a "master" output for both channels? Thanks again!
Hi Ragin, Good question. I think it depends on how much mixing vs just recording you'll be doing during the production and whether you have a dedicated mixer vs "guy that does all the sound" and how the mixer prefers to work. Some mixers prefer to work with a control surface at a cart and use one of the 7xx series recorders post mixing board. Others prefer an all-in-one solution to which you can also add a mixing surface if you wanted (6xx series mixer/recorders). I went for the 633 since I'm usually working as the one and only sound guy. I guess in the end, the 6xx series mixers seem to do everything the 7xx series recorders do plus provide controls a little better suited to mixing. I don't believe that Sound Devices have updated the 7xx series recorders in quite some time which speaks to their quality, but possibly also to the possibility that they will discontinue them at some point, considering the availability of the 6xx mixers.
Thanks for the reply!
Great Video Curtis!
I'm getting into audio for my videos and wanted to ask, if you would prefer the Zoom H1 or the Tascam DR 05 for beginning?
+Jakob S. Films I like the Tascam DR-05 but if you're going to use an external microphone with a 3.5mm plug, the Zoom has a better preamp (less self-noise). Best wishes on your audio!
+Curtis Judd Thanks for your help!
thank you this was grreat
Thanks.
The 633.For those who may be disheartened by the price of this great piece of kit, there is a less expensive option by Sound Devices, at a price of around £800, the Mix Pre D. It offers fantastic low noise preamps, line out to your camera, tape return to allow you to monitor the audio your camera is hearing, XLR outputs with sorted sound to connect to a Zoom/Tascam/etc for backup or dual capture. Also, 2 pro level XLRs in and out, 80 and 120htz limiters at the front of the process. Its compact and built like a tank. Its versatility is best exploited with cameras supporting Mic input and headphone input. Like the awesome GH4.
+Richard Parrington thanks Richard, great points!
Oh, Great... I bought the Zoom F8 because of your review, and now I have to throw it away... ABSOLUTELY KIDDING!!!! You did a great job at pointing out the F8's limitations and concerns - it's the most I, as a "prosumer" who has to sometimes use multiple mics beyond the 2 on camera mics, would want to spend. Nice review, but the SD 633 is way beyond what I could/would afford to use with my C100 MkII. If you're trying to support/encourage prosumers, maybe some additional material on making the best use of affordable gear? A fine line, I'm sure, between going for "cheap as possible" (which I am not), and good quality, usable gear... I DO like the F8, though, even with its limitations - WAY beyond what I've had before (H4n, or just using on-board mic inputs). Thanks for the helpful reviews! ;-)
+Lawrence Becker Haha! Thanks Lawrence. Yes, we don't intend to make this channel all about $3000 pieces of gear and higher, was just hoping to answer a question I've received several times: Why does Sound Devices charge SO MUCH for their recorders and mixers? My goal is to focus on developing the skills to make any gear produce the best possible results. Thanks again!
Can you make a complete course for Sound Devices 633 / sound / setup / controls / understanding audio
I would love to do that and will as soon as time allows. Until then, I have general courses on audio for film at school.learnlightandsound.com and a specific episode on setup basics for the 633 here: ruclips.net/video/_nZ7R9QD7VI/видео.html
Finally I get why all this ancient looking devices are still the best they are. What would you say the main differences between this one and the mix pre ones are? Great content as everything in your channel!!
Routing, more outputs, balanced outputs, bigger screen, better ergonomics for mixing, dual recording cards, and lots of additional nuances. Though keep in mind that the 6xx series is no longer in production. Now Sound Devices sells their 8xx series: ruclips.net/video/3C4CJmwXK2g/видео.html
really nice overview and im no pro either and own H6 which is good for my sample recording purposes. But i always have interest in those other on The Mt of the Olympus-devices, priced 10X higher. Ty
👍 thanks for stopping by.
Great video Curtis. Do you think SD302 + zoom f8 could be a good alternative to SD633? Also, do you have any experience with TASCAM HD-P2?
Thanks
Hi Lisardo, the SD302 and Zoom F8 would be a great combination and a potential alternative to the SD633 if you're ok with the additional cables and bulk. The combination would be a bit heavier than the two separate devices and a little more fiddly since you'll have to operate two devices but there are lots of people who do that and get great results. Good way to save yourself around $1000 USD.
As for the Tascam, this is one of Tascam's older devices (firewire connection, to illustrate). I have not used it personally, but if I were looking at a higher end Tascam at this point, I'd look at the HS-P82, though that runs about $2400 USD which is not far from the SD 633 in price and probably more than the SD302+Zoom F8 combination. And the HS-P82 is quite big and heavy, not the best choice for a bag mixer.
I hope that helps and best wishes!
Thank you very much Curtis
Love your videos. Very detailed and complete. I have used a friends Sound Devices 722 a few times and it was sweet. But I do love my Zoom H6 and it's good enough for the work I do.
*TOPIC SUGGESTIONS*
1. What is a "slate mic"? I think I know but would like a more professional answer.
2. I'd like to know more about the advantages of the high-end wireless equipment like Lectrosonic and Maxon. (Some of the Maxon transmitters record the audio locally so you can collect it later if there's an RF dropout. Anybody use that?)
3. *SLATE WORKFLOW:*Back ten years ago when I was shooting and editing a show with two cameras (with scratch audio) and separate sound, I changed up the slate process to make post syncing easier. I had the slate person slap the sticks first, then read the slate info. This way I could take the three files, two video plus separate sound, and cut everything before the slate clap. That made it easy to drag them onto the timeline and they'd all be in sync. Then I could still read and/or hear the verbal slate after the clap. That seems like a much better way to slate than the traditional clap after audible slate. What are your thoughts on this?
+Robert Shaver Thanks Robert! I like the ideas and will add the to the queue.
Curtis does any these digital recorders like Zoom and Sound Devices have light pipe input & output on them.
Hi Kevin, I assume you mean optical digital in/outs? None of the Zoom F series or Sound Devices MixPre do. I think most have moved to AES digital now which can be sent via balanced microphone cables. The Sound Devices 6xx series mixer/recorders support AES42 in and out.
I own one myself and it's an amazing piece of kit, I also own a sound devices 788t which was doin most of the jobs the 633 is now doing. The 788 was too big to bring on smaller jobs so I got the 633 which is perfect when you are recording one or two people, it has a lot of the same features as the 788 which I keep for dramas and movies. When the 633 is pared with an orca bag and harness it is a beautiful thing...well except the rain cover with the orca bag is a bit lame.
Absolutely agree, especially on the Orca bag and harness. Production day is nothing to fear when you've got that setup!
Hi, i have a question, i am new at sound recording, so my question is if i want other people like the director or the script supervisor to listen what i am listening when recording on set, what do i have to use. I have a tascam dr680 but i don't know how to send audio to another people without using a huge amplifier. I am sorry if my english is confusing i am from Argentina, i hope you can help me.
Hi Mari, we usually use a Comtek or IFB like this: ruclips.net/video/V_C7wSfNIaM/видео.html
The quality of this is fantastic but the price keeps a lot of people from purchasing it but wish I had one, good video.
+john erwin Thanks John.
Thanks for the video! Where can I get the Anton bauer with hirose input that you mentioned at 8:41?
The cable I use is a d-tap to hirose cable and the Anton Bauer battery has a d-tap output. This is not a cheap solution but it is very, very reliable and powers the recorder for a LONG time:
Cable: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/937170-REG/remote_audio_captaphir_anton_bauer_powertap_d_tap_p_tap.html
Anton Bauer Battery: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1053652-REG/anton_bauer_8675_0092_digital_battery_series_digital.html/BI/19904/KBID/12941/kw/ANDIG90GM/DFF/d10-v2-t1-xANDIG90GM
Thanks Curtis! That saved me a lot of time.
Hello Curtis I love your videos, I'm struggling between saving for an 633 or start buying better equipment right now... For example, Do you think is worth buying an used 744t for around $1500? another option would be to buy a Zoom F4... I'm a little overwhelmed of the many posts there are online... I don't know what to do! :) I'm a beginner sound recordist, mosly field sound for films. Thanks in advance.
Hi Manuel. A couple of questions I hope will help: Do you need to mix multiple microphones in a single take to create a mix that can be handed over directly for post production where they will not have time to fiddle with isolated microphone channels? Or will the films you be working on expect a stereo mix for dailies? Are you working for pay or passion projects? These are the big questions you need to consider when trying to decide between the 7 series recorders like the 744T and the 6 series mixers like the 633. If stereo mixes are not critical and you're working mostly on passion projects where a stereo mix in the recorder is not critical, then a 744T is a brilliant device which will probably serve you very well. I hope that helps!
Thank you very much! It's mostly for passion and indie projects. I know I will need a mixer soon if I want to work in bigger productions and get paid for it. For now I will have the SD 744T and the SD MM-1 for my boom. Next step probably invest in a better shotgun mic (AT4053b) or some wireless systems. It's hard and expensive to start in this world... but thanks to you it's much easier, you are the best!
Thanks Manuel and best wishes on your projects!
I have a shure fp33 would it be worth using it on the front end of a Zoom F4 to take advantage of the analogue limiter?
Hi John, it is worth a try, but I'd probably prefer the smaller rig with just the F4 and do my gain staging carefully.
Hi Curtis i am a big fan of your videos and i am in need of a little help, I am using the sound devices 633 mixer with the AVX Sennheiser wireless radio mic system. I just wanted to know when i connect the transmitter to the XLR slot on the SD 633 what do i set the input to? Mic or Line? Im really confused as i have been told radio mics are usually automatically line level? Also if you could help me by explaining to me what the FADER nob does and how its meant to be used. I'm just starting out and the advice would be greatly appreciated. Warmest regards Tristram
Hi Tristram, the AVX's output produces a microphone level signal so you'll want to set the input to MIC. The fader is for adjusting levels of each of the inputs for stereo mixes. If you have multiple mics, and one person is doing most of the talking, you may want to pull the fader down on the person that is not speaking so that your overall recording is cleaner. I hope that makes sense. Best wishes!
Curtis, as always you get spot-on info packed into your videos. Please let me make a comment about the common reference to 'stereo mix' in a field device. I see this all the time in descriptions of field mixers and recorders and it makes sense that everyone would refer to a stereo mix on a field recorder because typically there are two mix busses 'L' and 'R'. And there are typically two (or more) mix bus outputs called 'L' and 'R'. You send you mics to bus L or R, like send the boom to L and lavs to R for example. Calling the mix busses L and R is from a tradition that came largely from the first two channel tape recorders from Nagra having a Left and Right recording track and even the model name had a S in it for Stereo. but with the Nagra and subsequent recorders from DAT to modern file based digital recorders the two mix busses are called L and R. You and I know that all field mixing for film and commercial work is MONO not STEREO. So my contention is that it can be confusing to call the mix busses L and R. I tell my film students that this L and R nomenclature is an anachronism and to simply think of L and R as bus 1 and bus 2 and stop thinking about a stereo mix as there is almost never a stereo mix. You can mix any of your inputs to bus 1 or 2, or even all inputs to only one bus. It is normal to send a single output channel to a camera, or a Comtek monitoring system, or to a video village, or to a PA system. Or maybe you send one mix to camera and a different mix to the village, so it's nice to have two mix busses for this purpose. But none of those audio destinations are stereo. Now sure when I record ambience or SFX then that is a true stereo recording. This is a very wordy diatribe I realize but somebody had to say it :)
Thank you Allen! Yes, I agree, it is a problematic term we use far too often, especially in the context of dialogue recording for narrative work. Sounds like a worthy topic for a future episode and I like how you put it: Think of them as bus 1 and 2. I noticed on a new audio interface which I'm reviewing that the meters actually show Ch1 and Ch2 which the camera records as channels on a two-channel track. (I almost said stereo track!)
Hi curtis I own a 633 myself and was wondering if it is advisable to use Sennheiser G3 receiver units plugged into the TA3 line in 4-6 connectors of the SD-633.
I tried using the TA3 line ins with one of my G3's and found the levels a bit low despite using the receiver's max AF out of 12db and turning the trim and fader way up. But when I adjusted them in post by around +6 dBFS I found I still got a clean track.
Any thoughts on this?
+deaf049 I've worked with the G3 a little bit though its been a while but I thought it was capable of outputting a +10dB line level signal from the receiver. But I may be wrong on that. If the EW 100 is capable of a line level output, I would think that would be set in a menu on the receiver or triggered by the cable you use. I must confess, I don't know enough of the details on the G3 to say for certain.
However, even if it cannot produce a line level output, do what works. If its working and is clean enough, then you've got a good option there. If you are in a situation where you're really not getting enough signal, you may want to switch to one of the mic inputs to give yourself more to work with, assuming you have a mic input to spare.
Good luck!
+Curtis Judd Thanks curtis for the advice. After doing some research I found out the G3 output's a consumer line level lower than the professional line level of the 633's TA3 inputs. But its still good enough and I found the files usable after some adjustments in post ^_^ Thinking of upgrading to lectros in the future for a more permanent solution.
+deaf049 That makes sense, thanks for confirming that. Good luck with the lectros! I'm a little envious. :)
Another Item I really get heavy use is the Tascam DR-100mk3 Curious if make use of them as well?
Hi, I used to own the mkII but haven't had an opportunity to work with the mkIII yet. Looks quite capable.
I watch a lot of your videos. I think you and your brother are a lot like me but a little more advanced. I will subscribe to your channel but there is one question about audio and 1 about the video DSLR vs Camcorder style shooting. 1st the audio. I do not have an audio person on staff. But it does seem there is quite a bit of low end added to RUclips videos once uploaded. However, when you filter the low end out...You have to add it in. Any advice? I know do 2..right? You bothe said you were using the G3 lavs..But where were they pinned? I just bought a Sony FS7 with Kit and Metabones EF adapter. It works great for run and gun. And for those occasions when my customer does not want DSLR. However, it's ergonomics is awful! The XLR inputs are recessed and you have to purchase a mic cable with a short Ferrel or Barrel to get it to fit. How crazy! But I like the XDQ cards... Fast! I am telling you this because I watched the video of you and your brother in a hotel room on a remote location shoot. THanks again for your knowledge.Chat Conversation End
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Hi Donnie, I'm not sure I understand your question about bass. I am not aware that RUclips adds bass unless perhaps one uses the "Audio enhancement" feature (which I do not use). The lavalier microphones were both taped to our chests under our shirts. Thanks for the info on the Sony FS-7. I recently bought the Blackmagic Design Ursa Mini Pro and am working to become familiar with it. Thanks!
hey curtis i am long time fan i need help i want to record a video of an object and give it an effect like a slow motion movement of it while it sits on a table i have seen you do it on some of your videos how do you do it?
+Breaking Elegance I use a slider, shoot at 60 frames per second and then slow the clip in post to 24 frames per second. I hope that makes sense.
Couldn you purchase an attenuater for the h4n and eliminate the clipping distortion instead of a mixer?
That's an option as well.
Hi Curtis. I'm new to your reviews and like the straight talk. I'm also relatively new to dealing with audio, and have had, as a videographer, a need to learn what the engineers are feeding me from their boards. I've had them feed super blown out distortion, half-channels, NO audio and everything in between. As a result of my learning, I picked up a Yamaha 10ch board to test and explore with and have been using the H4N to record the output. I'm now working with a band to do their sound on their boards, both during their gigs, as well as their teaching me Pro Tools for their studio work. My question (s) are regarding the recording of their music using a field recorder the best way. I convinced them that they needed to record EVERYTHING they do, video and audio, for potential future uses. So, to it, are the field recorders just basically for interviews, films, etc., or can they be effectively used to record music too? The lack of typical mixer adjustments such as EQ have me question. Or should I just focus on recording the output from the board? If that's the case, is there a recorder to stay from? Thanks and keep up the great reviews.
Hi Mire Images Videos, the idea with most field recordings is that you can do things like EQ in post. So they typically just have the basics like a night pass filter and the higher end units will have analogue limiters. Recording from the live sound reinforcement/front of house board is that the EQ and overal mix is usually aimed at making the band sound good in the venue and I often find that when I only record a feed from the board, it sounds odd and lifeless. So I usually also put up a couple of room mics that I can mix in as needed. I prefer the Sound Devices 6xx series and MixPre recorders as well as the Zoom F4 and F8n. If the budget is available, I prefer all of the above over the Zoom H series recorders.
@@curtisjudd I like the idea of a couple of room mics. I do run the xy mics on the H4N as well as the XLR input so I have both, but the extra mics would give me a better sound. The SD is a bit much for now, possibly later when KISS reaches out to me.... :) However, I do like what you've said in other YT re the F4 & F8. Given a need for a max of 4 inputs (2 from mixer and 2 from ext ambient mics), which would you suggest, Zoom or MixPre? The other question, given the bands venue is generally tight locations in bars, private parties or small intimate events, what mics for the ambient? I have a couple of SM58 at this point, and ..... ?? Thanks again.
Depends on the budget and there are a million options. A matched stereo pair of RODE NT5s are the first thing that come to mind: bhpho.to/2F7dVkM
@@curtisjudd Perfect. Looks like all of the reviews of it completely agree. Thank you. As recommended, will get the mics then worry about upgrading the recorder.
@@mireimagesvideos2333 Best wishes and happy recording!
can you record 2 boom Sennheiser mics Mkh-50 and Mkh-416 and 2 g-3 Lapel mics at same time, with out getting into extra noise?
Yes, but there's a pretty in-depth set of additional information. First, since the 633 only has three microphone preamps, you'll need to feed the G3 receivers into the line inputs. This requires an adapter cable. Then there are two types of noise. One is self-noise of the mics, wireless systems, preamps, and even line level inputs. The 633 is very quiet in terms of self noise, so it won't be a significant contributor to the overall noise floor. But the G3s will contribute a little. The boom mics will also contribute a little but not anything to worry about. Then there's the ambient noise that can build up when you have fours open mics. So to keep the ambient noise to a minimum, you either need to pull the fader back on the mics that are not in use at any given time during the shoot and then back up when they are being used. Or do a similar type of thing in post.
But in short, the 633 has very, very clean preamps and line inputs so it would not be something to worry about on that front.
Thank you
Im using a canon t3i dslr and im wanting to record the dJ audio clear while im recording video when i do that now it sounds distorted on my camera is there a way to do thid with a wireless set up .great tutorial but i need your help on my set up.thanks
Are you taking a feed from the DJ mixing board? The main thing is you’ll need to match the output level to the input level on the camera so it doesn’t distort.
Do you have any video on using the mixer in terms of recording levels. I'm used to a dbfs meter and am not sure where my levels should fall of where I start to clip. And how to manipulate the thresholds. Thank soooo much
By default, the limiters engage at +16dBu. I usually aim for peaks at or just above 0dBu, but it depends on what you're recording. If it is scripted dialogue with no laughing or shouting, you can certainly push beyond 0dBu, maybe to +12. Just depends. Practice, practice, practice and keep in mind that you have great limiters in place so you're not likely to mess anything up too badly.
@@curtisjudd thanks so much! 🙏 certainly helpful. Probably wasn't the best that my first go with it the talent would go from a low whisper to full on screaming haha levels all over the place. Thanks so much. Looking to get some lectrosonics next but not sure which model because there are so many so ill definitely be checking out your videos on that.
@@billycrowe4501 A call to Trew Audio or Gotham Sound is probably a good idea - they're both super helpful, niche shops and love to help.
Hello sir
I'm unable to record separate tracks while shooting with multiple mics they all come mixed in single file how to get them as different files for different Chanels. I hope you will read this thanx.
You'll need to arm each of the individual channels so that they are each recorded to an isolated track within the wav file. See the manual which you can download from Sound Devices for details.
mate, would you say that the mix pre-3 would be able to do most of what this can do?
Hi MOBHouse Productions, in a couple of important ways, yes, but in other ways no. The MixPre series is for a different type of user. In two important ways, the MixPre looks like it will be as good as the 633: Pramp quality and analogue limiters. And those two things have a big impact on the quality of the recorded sound.
However, there are still a bunch of things that the 633 does that the MixPres don't: Balanaced XLR outputs, AES digital input and output, dual memory cards, more robust build that will work in more extreme conditions, and others. The 633 is for pros who demand a lot of their mixer and rely on their mixer to make their living. The MixPre produce a very similar sound quality but keep those expensive pro-level features out so that many of us can afford to buy the MixPre.
Good question, thanks for that!
I've only seen Balanced XLR outputs on studio recording interfaces. and to be honest, they have become a staple in even pro-sumer grade gear these recent years.
The AES stuff will no doubt come in handy in big productions but i fail to see how it could be useful for smaller setups like yours. correct me if i'm wrong?
AES is useful to me in two ways: I do production sound jobs from time to time so I have the option to send AES audio to camera in cases where there camera can take it. Also, I now own a Blackmagic Ursa Mini Pro which takes AES3 via its XLR inputs so I can send SD quality sound directly to camera without the camera compromising the signal in any way.
All that said, this is not something that everyone needs and I am very excited about the MixPre-6 which I have on pre-order. It'll be an amazing device for a lot of people. I also get the sense that a lot of pros will be happy to have a MixPre as a backup to their SD 6xx series mixer. They're tiny and from all indications, still create very high quality audio.
I have the exact same setup - primarily because i've been watching your videos - except that i bought an Atomos Shogun Inferno as I needed a studio monitor and a cheaper means to record (SSD vs Cfast 2.0). How would i go about connecting all these?
SD > Atomos Shogun > Camera?
On the shogun, you set the analogue input to line level, then feed analogue out from the SD to the Shogun's XLR inputs. You will also have to figure out how much of a delay to set in the shogun to compensate for the time it takes the camera to output its image via HDMI. In the case of my GH4, I had to set the delay to 4ms.
I don't usually shoot this way, but it is possible.
Analog limiter and accurate clock sure are features I would like. For productions where continuous runtime is less than an hour you can usually work around the clock drift issues. My instinct says I want this device, but that doesn't really make sense for my no budget productions :)
+randomgeocacher I agree 100%. The analog limiters are a dream to prevent retakes but on no-budget productions, retakes are a great no-cost solution.
+Curtis Judd exactly. It surprises me that it is expensive but well... Maybe one can buy an external XLR-XLR analog limiter to a decent price? Also do you know how professional cameras like eg C300 do limiting, are they real analog limiters or more like the Zoom F8 digital limiter?
+randomgeocacher Definitely - outboard gear is an option, at least in studio. And there are some great options out there for reasonable prices. A little tough to take out into the field, but still... My understanding is that the limiters, if they have them in the cameras, are generally digital. Most pro cameras are generally expected to get a feed from a mixer like the 633 where all the potential problems can be managed before they hit the camera mic/line inputs.
Hi Curtis, thank you for the video. Have you ever looked at the Zaxcom Maxx in your research?
Yes, I certainly did and have the utmost respect for Zaxcom and the products they produce. In the end I preferred the ergonomics of the Sound Devices but that is a very, very subjective matter. I also had a little chat with the guys at Zaxcom at NAB this year which was interesting (in case you haven't already seen it: ruclips.net/video/k90PxipBxHE/видео.html
Yes!!! I actually just discovered your chat after I had posted my question, thank you!
I ended up buying a MAXX and I have to say WOW! I used it just to record a deposition with some cheap Pro70 lapel mics and the sound quality was amazing, best sounding deposition ever! ha ha I also have an SD302, Schoeps 641, Rode NTG 3, Senn ME66, Rode Videomic Pro R, and Rode videomicro. The Schoeps by far is superior in fullness of voice and natural sound, but I get very usable results with the cheaper mics as well. But for the higher budget videos, I'm loving the MAXX/Schoeps sound. I went with Zaxcom for their extremely low noise pre's, routability and neverclip functionality.
Congratulations! Yes, the Maxx is amazing. The Zaxcom wireless integration is really great as well.
Yes! Next step is to save up for the camera hop!
Great review! I'm trilled that I found someone who is so much into getting the best quality from their sound and video and I have a question! I want to start doing a podcast and some product reviews and I'm not sure what would be the best setup.
I have a small budget and I was thinking of going with one of the following options:
1. First setup
- Aputure A. lav (used with my S6 android phone)
- Sony ICD-PX333
- Sony a57 ( I already own it)
- Softbox kit or 2 light lamps ? (not sure what would bring more value/quality to my video)
2. Second setup
- MXL 990
- Pop filter
- Behringer 302USB ( I already own it)
- arm/holder
- Softbox kit or 2 light lamps ? (not sure what would bring more value/quality to my video)
If you could leave some feedback I would highly appreciate it.
Thank you!
+Valentin Fischer Thanks Valentin! I think you'll probably get richer audio with your second option. One thing to consider is that condenser microphones will tend to pick up reverberation in rooms quite a lot. So if you are going to go with the MXL, you may find the best results by finding a room that doesn't have a lot a reverb, or hanging blankets in front of any hard flat surfaces (also putting them on the floor if you have a hard floor) will greatly improve the sound.
As for light, you'll get far fewer shadows with a softbox so that would generally be my first choice. Best wishes!
Thank you very much for the tips and feedback!!! All the best
Great review! The Sound Devices 633 is no longer available. The new model appear to be the Sound Devices 833. It costs $4,770.00, so it is a VERY expensive sound recorder. I am curious, as far as musical sound recordings, does this recorder really record higher quality audio channels than say the Zoom F8n or the Zoom F6? Is there really $3500.00 difference in the quality of the sound recordings your get?
The Sound Devices 6xx and 8xx series recorders are purpose build for video and film production. You *could* use them for recording music, but that isn't their primary use case. And it isn't just about how the preamps sound. The 833, for example has a bunch of features and outputs that make it a good choice for working on film or video sets.
have you ever use the pre mixer 10T is this as good as the Sound Devices 633
Yes, I am a happy owner of the MixPre-10T and we have a review as well as several tutorials and even a paid course. Here's the review: ruclips.net/video/LgRdT8gsfIs/видео.html
Wow that Sound Devices is amazing indeed. Robust of build, unyielding audio performance. Quality controls, electronics inside. The Chassis build. Also, unlike your pro sumer machines, with the Sound Devices, it is assumed your client is paying you for the best result.
Yes, indeed!
It's been 6 years now but what would be considered better? The 633 or the zoom f8npro.
The 833 is the current generation Sound Devices mixer/recorder and most would consider it a better tool for production sound. But if you’re not building a career in production or location sound, the F8n Pro makes great recordings. It just doesn’t have some of the flexibility or the repairability that you’ll get with an 833.