Here, Living With Dead Bodies for Weeks-Or Years-Is Tradition | National Geographic
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- On the Indonesian island of Sulawesi, the Torajan people believe that a person is not truly dead until water buffalo have been sacrificed at their funeral, serving as the vehicle to the afterlife. Until that time, the bodies are may be kept at the family's home for weeks, months or years and are fed and cared for as if they were alive. Some Torajans continue their relationship with the dead through a ma'nene' ceremony, a type of "second funeral" in which families bring out their ancestors every few years and change their clothes and clean their bodies and crypts.
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Imagine trying to hug this grandpa and the arm falls off and it’s all your fault.
🤣🤣🤣
I don't mean to laugh but that was funny🤣🤣
Do they still act like they sick?
Lmaooo
I- (don't laugh don't laugh)
HAHAHAHA
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Agreed
I looked up a FNAF song called dead but not buried.....
Hmmm
Lol
Well... I searched for cute dogs wake their humans up and here I am now
Tiktok
I feel terrible for the animals. They don’t make it fast but instead slow and the animal is visibly in extreme distress and it’s going through a lot of pain. Sacrificing any living being out of tradition is a horrible thing but the way they do it makes it all the worse. I hate everything about this
Couldn't agree with you more. Why is it always the same perpetrators who have such great disrespect for any living creature
I feel so bad for the animals as well, they did nothing to deserve this!
I agree, and they believe in God lol in the bible it says thou shall not kill as a commandment look at them sacrifice buffalo's and showing a video of a guy stabbing a buffalo in the neck..............
Well then it’s a good thing you don’t live there seeing this everyday
Wait till you learn about factory farms in the West
I bet that village smells absolutely horrible…
I think so
Nope they cleaned the corpses and the village smells like normal.
If only they care for their living like this, none of them will have time for the dead.
coprse are filled with chemical to prevent from decaying and rotting. If you notice, there are no flies or bugs on any of the corpse, especially when you're in a country that are filled with insects.
nope
"This video contains graphic images, viewer discretion is advised"
*Literally shows a dead body in the thumbnail*
I think they meant the dead cows
Nah he look alive in the fumbnail
“This video contains a clip of cleaving a Buffalos neck while it flings about tied to a post”
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@@entoxiclair_ lmaoooo
Bruh, imagine waking up at 2am and go for a glass of water. But you find grandma sitting in the kitchen table, just rotting there for the past 2 years
Totaal agreee wahahahhss :)
Bro I would be scared even after a long time of gaming lol
They can't rot. They are mummified.
And she says" come and eat son" 😱😱😱
That is very creepy.
they beating that animal breaks my heart
HEY YOU STUPID RUclips USERS!!!!, DON'T BE SAD FOR BUFFALOES!!!!!, THEY BELIEVE IT WILL BE THEIR ANCESTOR RIDE TO AFTERLIFE SO FUC KING RESPECT THEIR CULTURE!!!!!
That's so dam evil to do that to an animal! But yet they treat these lifeless beings better than a living thing! 😡
we can't do anything because that's the way of his religion
It’s their culture They were born with the belief Not evil at all when you were taught since u were born that it’s a tradition
@@eainhmu1651 bad tradition
@@duongdo1kind of neutral considering what other religions have done
@@jumpingscary514not religion but culture
Person who started this tradition was not ready to accept a simple, universal fact of life, death.
Yep, and the fact that death means complete extinguishing. They are ignorant of the fact their relative's soul was destroyed and they destroy an innocent animal's soul because of the stupid belief.
That's called culture, and if that's how their culture works, then let it be...
Eternity Winner some things just cant run. deep what they are doing
appetite. Called religion in this case it is culture, but, like Christian's thinking God will forgive a person after mass shooting 20 people and will go to heaven because that person repented 🤣🤣
@@jhovonnicameron9652 nope, if thats what they've been doing from a long time ago, then we should respect them... be more open minded bruh, this world is wide too wide...
“We’re visiting grandma!”
“Yayyyyy!”
**takes to grave and takes body out**
“Oh...”
Oh no need to go anywhere, coz grandma can still be around for years to come 😛
😂😂😂😂😂👌🏻
everythings fun and games till you find out the person ur visiting is a rotting corpse
Lmao
Everybody gangata until u have to hug grandma
They treat a CORPSE better than a live animal
That's crazy
@@violetlunna literally sick
The way those people are just standing there with a dead body taking a picture💀
Ur name says it all. Grandpa got the Drip Drizzy with the gang 🥶💯🔥
So creepy!😮
If only people showed this much love for the living.
@@lostsoul5043 lakaka deserves better 😔
the dead .. make room... for the living,,,,
They don’t even show love to their animals let alone humans
@@patrickbatemangigafemcell6565 oh my God so trueeee. I hate the part they torture the Buffalo. No wonder they treat dead body like that.
@@Akucantiklah don't human eat meat everyday?
On a different note... 1:27
Family: wraps up grandma
Guy: stands on top of grandma to compact her
South East Asian people have a very practical approach to things .. 😎
It is totally not appropriate in human conscience 😭
T bagging
Like when the recycling bin needs to be squashed down a bit more so you gotta jump on it
Omg🙄
The way they treat those buffaloes is horrible
BRO NOT THE BUFFALO THATS SO SAD SEEING IT BE KILLED WTH LIKE BRO IF YOUR GONNA KILL THEM DONT MAKE IT PAINFUL AND SLOW
Omg I agree !
Always feel sad for animals. They always take the brunt of stupid human beliefs.
This is the craziest coping mechanism i have ever seen
If this is coping, just give me the grief lol.
This is so bizarre
It should be normalized in america
@@wertiaaudit5746 no
@@coachlee300 but it is tradition in toraja
The dead didn't bother me , but the way they killing the buffalo, that's sad 😢
Yeah...true, the dead people are already dead it doesn’t affect them by whatever they do to the bodies. But the buffalos are still alive and that is abuse.
Truly... Ugh. THAT WAS AWFUL 😔😢🤣
and the fact that they are cheering
My too very very sad
In heaven there will be no more killing of anything. Remember this
This was a sad end for the buffalo very sad 😞
Let the dead rest. And no need to slaughter buffalos to add to the misery. I understand this is tradition but some traditions need to end.
I would not want to see my grandma in a mummy dried-up form everyday but rather picture her smiling during her glamorous days 😭😭😭
Me too
Ikr
This village is the physical stage of denial
Im sorry i cannot take you seriously with that pfp
Lol
@Aluka lmao
😂
Indonesia
This is possibly the creepiest thing I have ever seen in my life..
ye
rightt
Look up Great Grandmothers coffin in my back yard
It's tradition for them, I get it may be weird for you but maybe try to respect others culture's
@@RichHobo came here from that LOL
Imagine treating someone you love like an object ...
This is ridiculous, cultural or not.. It’s more like you can’t accept the fact someone is dead.
That's exactly it
Ridiculous and bizarre. It's even more sad and disgusting to think that people like this can travel and immigrate to any western country.
True
Not only you can't accept death, but you kill an innocent animal because those old fairytales say it will accompany the soul. Yeah, fairytales. "But that is their culture!" So what? It's garbage. Every religion is garbage.
Not only that, but they even kill an innocent animal, all in the name of their old fairytales. And notice how morbidly the cross overlooks everything from above. All religions are garbage...
“ mom do you smell something?” “ oh that’s just grandma sweetie”
Dead bodies are a health hazard. They should be burned or buried.
@@lorraine9242 thanks a lot Christian Sammy unfortunately for you though they mummified the bodies that prevents the smell and whatever other toxins are inside of the body because hey anything is a comment when you don't give a s***
@@adadjoke6252 is their a problem to tell them that?
Well thx anyways for the info
@@adadjoke6252 how do they mummify it??
@@adadjoke6252 explain how you would mummify the body
They treat corpses better than they treat their livestock.
Exactly
Fr..
Weaw
Horrible 🙄
Because they’re not related to the livestock
We smart.
This surely is not love.They are torturing the departed souls by holding on to their bodies. Letting go is also a form of love. It is really dreadful that there is noone who opposes this form of cruelty.
hmmmm letting go is also a form of love. word❤
There are Many different cultures all over the world. What you believe in is different from others, for them this is not cruelty.
Well, not according to them and their traditions, I'm sure the passed ones would agree to what is being done.
fr tho .. like let them rest in peace
It's their belief and their traditions. No one knows for sure how the dead feel after they are gone.
I hate watch animal abuse. Poor buffalo
I searched up dancing coffin meme and ended up here....
Proffessional mourners # pall bearers
Me too
Same
Same
same
Imagine taking a selfie with your ancestor who died 200 years ago
That's Weird...And Scary Also It Must Be Skeleton By Now...
legend never dies
Selfie with my hommie I never met.
“Streaks”
@@sahibpatney7435 When the world is calling you
Sometimes I think, humanity is bad for this planet. Let it disappear. Such idiocy. Even animals are smarter than that; they get away from dead bodies.
Who told you that? Animals live off of eating dead bodies
Fascinating how well preserved they are, especially in the beginning of the video. Is there a process they're doing to halt decomposition, or is it the climate? I wouldn't anticipate it to be very hot or dry there so I'm curious how they mummify.
It's quite close to the equator and seeing they're surrounded by forests I'd hazard a guess that it's very hot and humid. Australia's hottest states which have only wet and dry season are in the north and are hot enough for tropical fruit to grow, and these people live further north than Australia, closer still to the equator
And rice diet yo
Don't get engaged to these people. they take "do you want to meet my parents" to a whole other level...
😭🤣 Oof
"But ... I thought they died?"
"Oh, they did."
"Then do you mean a gravestone or-OH MY GOD"
Frr
@@MiMimUta lol
Lmfaooooo 🔥🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I can’t imagine the amount of hazardous bacteria these people are being exposed to on a daily basis 😬.
Theyve been exposed to it for centuries so they are already immune. You might die if you went there though.
@@danan9061 because new pathogens are not introduced all the time.. and bacteria don't adapt.
This is a risky way of saying goodbye to loved ones
Actually, dead bodies are generally not hazardous at all to living people (all over the world, not just in indonesia!), unless the person died from something like the black plague, where pathogens may still remain on the body. Depending on the environment, decay might set in, but it looks like the climate in Sulawesi encourages the bodies to dry out instead :)
@@felixkemnitz8517 What about maggots though ?
@@tnag2595 what about the smell though?
If only people learned to care enough for those who are still here unlike the ones that are now empty shells.
To us, it's all macabre, but to them it's showing love and respect.
Doesn't mean it's acceptable though, should it?
More like they have nothing better to do in a 3rd world country, and with this thinking, they'll stay a disgusting 3rd world country
This is a whole new level of “I’m never moving on, I’ll wait for you.”
Brings new meaning to the phrase “f****d up.
This ain’t it bro this isn’t the move bro like bro this is messed up
@@1ofilee FR!
For real..
Your statement is sadly disrespectful and ignorant.
I find it creepy how they’re playing dress up with a dead body.
Same
It's beyond creepy
It’s like your little sibling playing with her dolls but in a very dark and creepy way
Imagine a life sized Barbie doll that's been treated like this.
To me sounds like they're playing with black magic that's creepy!
Seeing them dressed the body up and then take a picture of it like it was an alive person got me😂 imagine being a kid and then just finding a picture of your family posing with your grandpa’s corpse in the photo album💀😭
Or even better, plastered all over instagram
Omg it got me too I was like 🤯 lol
Personally I respect their believes (irrespective of one thing)and tradition but the way they treat their dead ones..they should also treat the buffaloes with much love and care instead of believing that the buffaloes will carry their loved ones soul...
Everybody gangsta until grandma says 'bless you' after you worship her.
Hahahahahhahshsh
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣
they would be happy she’s alive tho
lol 😆
😂😂😂
Everything Aside but killing that buffalo like that is beyond cruelty
Meat is the number 1 reason making the population of developed countries obese
That was horrible just out of no where slashed his neck
@@akshy471 Oh, really? So overeating and lack of exercise have nothing to do with it, thank goodness
@@EwerLord you think they are overeating just the bread?
This is how Ebola got started
I recently lost my Grandpa and if I lived with his corpse in my house it would be very traumatic and harder to me to process My grief
i had to close my eyes when they killed the buffalo. there wasn’t even a good enough warning for it. I thought the “viewer discretion” was for the dead bodies
“This video contains graphic images.
Viewer discretion is advised.”
Too late. We already saw it in the thumbnail.
The eyes tho 😭
No it's buffalo
nah mate, they where referring to this 2:00
@@saurabhponkshe what eyes?
Stfu stupi*
Everyone in the world has to die...This truth should be accepted, not just to cry in front of dead body for months and years.
They’re respecting their body tho wym
Jared on Brave Browser That’s not the case at all are you stupid
You should honestly respect what they do. It's the same as telling a Christian that they shouldnt beleive in god just cause YOU think it's wrong.
@@kiddo6925 I am not telling anyone not to follow their religion/tradition/beliefs or practices, but not to blindly follow those ancestral traditions.
For Example, In my country, Sati system and caste system is banned.
This is too a tradition, but WRONG
I agree OP. just let the dead rest, they are not alive anymore so they don't need food and drink and whatever other stuff they give them.
Ok that's enough internet for one day.
So, they leave food out for the dead person and treat them as if they're sick. What do they do when they see the food hasn't been eaten?
“I miss grandpa”
Okay let’s dig him up!
bro💀
😂😂😂😂
That seams like a trevor thing for you to do.
@@wumbosponge 🤣😂
Are you a mad
Tbh as a fellow Indonesian, this is still creep me out sometimes. But their faith to keep the tradition always amaze me
Bruv im indonesian and i never knew about this at all
@@Doormatte its because you seen so much Indonesia trash youtuber
What are the religion of these people?
@@amirulhaziq6319 it's in the South Sulawesi
edit: help I'm sorry I thought you said REGION 😭 its christian.. but some are catholic so I think it is not related to their religion bcs even me, a muslim, we have different tradition too according to each region
@Steevenson Desir they wash it or something idk
Unpopular opinion**
Beyond gross.. what they did to that animal and living with the dead.. if I were an alien and came to this world and seen this I’d think they’re worse than animals.
Alhamdulillah ( Thank God) I'm Muslim
This makes me think of the quote:
"Dead people receive more flowers than the living ones because regret is stronger than gratitude"
Poor Anne Frank 😢
Flowers aren't necessary for gratitude; it happens in the heart
That's an incredibly true quote
This is really creepy. Anybody with me?
Yep
Creepy...next level
yes]
Nah
If you can look closely at these mummies they are already turning to dust and they still look human
No u
Animals are not to blame if someone died, just have a funeral and move on with your life bro 💀
That had to be one of the worst methods of slaughtering an animal.
i get respect for cultures and all that but this low-key creeped me out.
Right?
I know who you are
Ayman
Same here
I mean I'm fine with the second funeral but not everything else
I know this is a cultural thing, but it’s honestly disturbing.
Brandon’s Weirdness
I’m an Indonesian but never have I heard of this Sulawesi culture. It’s pretty disturbing.
@@surrk1057 doubt
Yeah
@@markocokmarkocok5270 did you just say doubt to someone saying their ethnicity 😂
@@TrashFish i doubt he lie
That buffalo makes me feel so depressed that there sacrificing him I’ll respect how people heal but not healing by killing buffalo
alhumdullah for islam that taught us how to slaughter animals humanly and that we don't have to deal with this bs
I’m here on the other hand literally crying for the poor Buffalo.
Dude u prob eat meat-
@@Doormatte dosent mean you cant feel bad
dont cry at least they get to feed 50 people for a week there with one animal
@@Doormatte there are ways to consume meat without torturing an animal, killing isnt torture if you do it quick.
@@Doormatte. Doesn't Matter, They should have Respected The Buffalo before Killing Them !
I’m surprised they left the comments on lmao
Yeah it's really suprising ‘︿’
I will sub
Oh honey
Anybody for a dry roasted grandad....oh...
I don’t want subscribers yeah these comments are pretty ignorant
Disgusting that they would show a poor defenseless animal being sacrificed for a dumb religion. This is the reason why I choose to be with animals instead of selfish humans.
Stop sacrificing animals in the name of salvation.
2:46, gramps do be lookin kinda fresh
Death can't stop the drip
Homicidal George He copin the ray-bans doe
Roger E Benis a killer outfit
'Looking"
HaHa
The way of killing buffaloes leave me shocking as well disturbing.
I know, I'm indonesia and i didn't know this is how they do it.
Lol come hunt with me
Atleast it’s not going to waste
Grow tf up sensitive
@snakecharmer2011 I am not used to having hamburgers.
@@titanxsayed7498 It's not about the sensitiveness, its about hunting animals
Proud to be 🇮🇳indian hindu.🕉️
Can't lie, their "uniqueness" is ridiculous and sad.
everybody gangsta till grandma is not in her spot
💯
DANGGG
Grandma went for a walk
Shieet
Don’t worry she is just sick still alive I do not understand why you act like they are dead🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I wonder if they valued their ancestors just as much when they were still alive.
Sometimes, people only value them once they passed away
@@anayaan8003 What if the other way around? If the kid is loving his parents fully and make some time for them, yet they died, what should they do?
Like funeral vultures. Relatives who show up after decades. Suddenly they care.
They're not there for the will or anything, they are there to mourn, their loved ones.....who they didn't care about for decades when they were alive. Not even a phone call 🙄🙄
@@AN-999 would you rather them not come
@@ionlybringthistoyoubecause1783, when you're dead, you're dead. You have no "rather".
It's just a matter of principle! If you're there for someone, you're there for someone. It's not a matter of convenience and selfishness.
Believing in God does not require the sacrifice of an animal to go to heaven you just believe in God and he takes care of the rest of the journey❤
Fun fact: they don't, and they obviously don't care, if they even know of god that is.
I'm not gonna questions their culture but there's a lot of more humane way to kill a buffalo and not just hack and slash the poor thing like u trying to cut down a tree
Why do I feel this is just one big form of not being able to accept loss
Same, just let it go bruh
It is. So sad this people don’t have the right tools to grieve.
One word: culture
True
Its pretty much in every religion. The afterlife itself is another form. believing your love one in the afterlife so you can meet them again..pretty much the same.. Except this torajan culture is a bit extreme
I didn’t mind look at the dead bodies but when they purposely killed the buffalos I was horrified ngl
ikrr 🥺
Thats not normal?
What do you mean? (ง'̀-'́)ง
Well how’d u get to eat meat everyday?
@@Respirate I know but the way they killed it rlly scared me
I’m so sad for how they kill the buffalo☹️😢
The fact the death for buffalo’s is slow and painful ATLEAST MAKE IT QUICK IM CRYING MY HEART OUT TIGHT NOW 😢😢😢😢
If you agree
👇
HEY YOU STUPID RUclips USERS!!!!, DON'T BE SAD FOR BUFFALOES!!!!!, THEY BELIEVE IT WILL BE THEIR ANCESTOR RIDE TO AFTERLIFE SO FUC KING RESPECT THEIR CULTURE!!!!!
The smell of the decomposing body would be unbearable.... nothing to be proud of killing an animal like that...
About the body, they actually have their own "recipe" to keep the body mummified(?).
I mean they already doing this kind of thing from hundreds of years or maybe thousands... Idk
You’re being so soft, killing an animal can be a accomplishment. Besides one Buffalo can almost feed a whole village so I’ll be proud of it too
I agree with you brother
I know killing animals is bad, but it’s part of their culture and traditions and you have to respect that
@@cr0w666valorant killing animals for food is not bad. Its what we have been provided with. I agree the method could be quicker. I have heard in South East Asia some cut the buffalo head off in one strike
Anyone here after dancing pallbearers?😅
How tfffff????
Hahahaha 🙌
Yes
Years 😂
who doesn't ? :)
The body is not the person. The body is a vehicle for the soul/spirit. You can believe whatever you want but those bodies are not living. The lifeforce has moved on. This is not my opinion. Even if you are a materialist it is still true.
This is really upsetting - my dad’s been chilling in my living room for the last 15 years and I’m only now learning you’re allowed to dust them off?
Villagers: “they’re still alive”
Dead body: “bro, I’ve been dead for 30 years give it up.”
Dude🤣🤣🤣
Lmao💀😭😭😭
It's part of there culture I respect that
If they'd colonized America or the others continents we would probably do the same. I feel intrigued specially about how they deal with the smell of a decomposing corpse.
Villager : see i told you they alive
Everything is fine until sacrificing the buffaloes.
Cmon killing a goat peeling and eating it all is much worse hypocrite
Почему?
@@user-lk3bc5fe1q потому что это традиция ..
@@sachiofoxes9022 и что это значит?
@@user-lk3bc5fe1q потому что они верят, что коровы могут послать смерть на небеса.
it’s insanity, inability to cope with a loss
Poor buffalo. They don’t deserve this :(
Imagine getting lost and stumbling upon on these people playing with corpses
Id dieeee✋🏽
@@joshuaadams7356 what if they started playing with your corpse when you die
@@Tys_khris i would die again
@@anujdas203 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣help I'm dying 🤣😅🤣😅🤣😅🤣😅
That would be…scary ngl
2:45 this dude has more swag than me even though hes dead
drip🥶🔥
Not funny
@@elongaabigail8636 funny
All this drip has me straight up dying 💀💀💀
xd
This people really value the dead...and they preserve them well
Indonesia is my country, many cultures in indonesia, its beautiful
These things is not a nice culture.
If you think desecrating graves, exposing children to carcasses, and slaughtering buffaloes is pretty, you've got a problem, and it's called a prehistoric head. Please evolve, when someone dies
What remains is flesh, there is no soul.
The only thing you are going to achieve is catch a disease
Honor and bury the dead, let the Buffalo's live...
@Hutomo Riyadi as a Westerner I don't really agree with that either.
@Hutomo Riyadi we are a weird people. All Americans are very different from one another.
@Hutomo Riyadi Being an Indian , I totally agree with this . These kinds of remains might pollute rivers , but there are a ton of chances of vanishing that biodegradable waste .
@Hutomo Riyadi uncremated?
@Hutomo Riyadi the Matador practices are not a United States thing.
Someone: *dies*
These people: oh no, anyways
This is the culture of the interior people, with the core being respect for their ancestors,nah whatever :v
As an indonesian living in West Java, I actually never knew about this part of Sulawesi
@@kishoiii same, never knew we have this kind of culture in Indonesia
LOL UR COMMENT LIKE IS 666
Now its 777 😂
I dont know how anyone could deal with their beloved family members corpse still sitting on the couch everyday... I understand it's their culture but that's absolutely morbid and horrific.
I don’t think I can live with a dead body .
I know this is a tradition and culture but as an Indonesian myself I think there are certain cultures that need to leave behind, this one is an example.
yes they need to accept reality of death and move on...
Nothing is wrong with this culture. They just have an immense of love for their family and they are not getting hurt from it.
@@amirastar8924 I agree people should respect other beliefs
@@amirastar8924 well there is definitely something wrong when it involves sacrificing buffaloes .
@@basedyapper u could say the same for the rest of the world which involves killing and eating animals everyday. Things are same in slaughter houses we just don't get to see.
I know it’s part of your culture but I feel bad for the buffaloes
Barbaric indeed.
Aero Blivion barbaric is a term made by Greeks and Roman stating that people who don’t speak Roman or Greek so technically we are barbarians
Well technically they aren't killing an animal for sports so it is not going to waste
Well we tried to do it quickly but we need a big blade and the Buffalo is so heavy
Pork
Imagine your corpse just being dragged around for photos. You wouldn't even be able to smile when they say cheese.
💀
Proud to be muslim 🩶
This is pure evil, if only they knew how these bodies are suffering 😔
May allah guide these people inshallah🫂 and what a cruel way of MURDERING an animal
I agree on the animal part. Give them a peacefull death AT LEST.
Im indonesian and i actually live in jakarta i didnt know this existed
I feel bad for the buffalos
Mainnya kurang jauh
@@berlianaamelia9116 iya
Kasian kerbaunya gk langsung mati. Sakit njir
Itu adat bro
@@TheEnthusiast162 beberapa adat memang "seharusnya" dihilangkan, itu opini saya sih
The slaughtering of the Buffalo was worse to watch than seeing the corpses
Ikr
L McLean not really
Ikr
Yes, it was so sad I almost cried. Its possibly the worst way to slaughter and animal
ikr why would they show that part
So basically, these people stay in the denial stage of grief forever?
They are disgusting, hurting animals like that. And dont say in my comments "animals were made to be eaten" no, humans are animals as well you just think your above the others since ur smarter
Fr, like what are we if not animals?!