This is one of the first companies that is very transparent and honest about what the heck they're doing behind the scenes each video like. I hope they keep doing this. This is amazing
@@EV3NTH888 the longer the video, the more time it takes from the job they are doing. This is always a compromise on the best allocation of limited resources.
@@n.brucenelson5920 I know, but if you do that you will get a lot more orders, which means a lot more money, which means bigger crew, which means more gets done.
I hope there aren’t a lot of resources being devoted to autonomy yet. While it would be nice to have a car that drives itself, I’d rather see a production ready, lower cost, human driven car than see efforts towards self driving push up cost and cause release delays. Aptera is innovative enough without it that being a little later to market on self driving isn’t a deal breaker.
I don't think they'll delay introduction so the vehicle will be able to drive fully autonomously. That's not the plan. The plan is to have the hardware ready if I understand correctly. Since the goal is for these vehicles to last for decades, I think it's a very good idea to have the first production version already prepared for autonomous driving. You'll want to be able to upgrade in say 5-10 years when autonomous driving becomes normal, without having to go trough difficult rework on your vehicle. Aptera has the right focus here imho.
@@siesstad I understand what you’re saying, but the likelihood of having the right array of sensors, cameras, and computers that enable upgrading to safe autonomous driving on the first production models seems unlikely to me. Waymo, with a complete focus on autonomy, 12 years of experience, and $5.5B in funding is still working on the solution. Aptera with $61M funding while trying to develop an entire vehicle from scratch seems like it would most benefit from omitting self driving altogether for their first model. That challenge just seems too big for such a small startup. Disclaimers: This is just my fairly uneducated opinion and I am a hopeful for self driving cars in the future when the big players have already jumped the technical and regulatory hurdles.
I don't see anything about production or factory. Loads of resources into design and research none into production. At this pace this would never get into production!!
Thank you for taking the time to create this video Brian. And it was great to meet you. As a reserve customer, it's great to know the investment in engineering that goes into this vehicle. I absolutely love that the #1 culture of thought with regard to safety and efficiency rises above how fast it can be produced. As a reserve customer/owner I thank you for this particular perspective and focus. ☀️🍃☀️🌱☀️
This was another truly informative Aptera video. It is refreshing to see the mindset of these engineers in designing the Aptera, their real world goals, challenges, and even ideals. While I appreciate this makers series touching on many different areas of the Aptera's development, I hope that we can see even more of a deep dive with these talented people later on. Maybe after the Beta models hit the road. It would be interesting to hear about Brian's interactions with ROUSH in the suspension development and design. And I am really looking forward to seeing the upcoming Luna (3rd Alpha) reveal soon as well.
In anticipation of the Aptera I find myself looking at pot holes now with the thought as to exactly how I need to maneuver so the pothole doesn’t pass under the center of my car. I makes you more aware of potholes than in the past. Those really big potholes will become more of a woah SLOW DOWN.
Really gotta respect his challenges. Wheel motors cause massive unsprung weight. He also probably needs to tune the suspension to the different weights because a 25kwh battery is probably 600 lb lighter than the 100kwh (assuming same chemistry). That's gonna make the 250 mile vehicle 2/3 the weight of the 1000 mile (great for efficiency not stability). Can't imagine a company focused on efficiency would put weights to make 1 suspension.
Great update ! Thanks. Maybe what is needed can be made as a one piece aluminum casting to further cut part count. Sandy Munro Loves this kind of engineering as well
Really appreciate Aptera posting these updates. So Aptera is switching the rear suspension from Swing Arm to Double Trailing Link. The main advantage seems to be a less bouncy suspension for a more comfortable ride as well as less lift up when fast accelerating. I'm finding difficulty understanding the fundamental differences because they are quite similar. Swing Arms are typical for rear wheels on motorcycles. Trailing arms applications are what you see for airplane landing gear and some rear wheel axis of a few 4 wheeled cars. According to the diagram, this new design seems to save a lot of space for the back side hump just behind the car seats. If so, you may be able to create a deeper pocket just behind the seats, enough so that a third person could sit facing rear like so. -\_
It just gets better all the time. Super efficient is key. I can't wait. Being different could be hard to find off the self parts. I hope supplier step up. Maybe motor cycle parts would be a good fit.
EPS or electric power steering confirmed, to all those who were asking! 🙂 Also great to hear that Autonomy features are high up on the list of aspirational capabilities on future models/updates.
@@ChrisLoew The EPS is required for autonomous features to work. Without it, the car would have no mechanism for turning the wheel on its own. It is possible they could use vector steering for this as well, but implementing that would be less straight forward.
It is nice to see electric power steering but not sure why they are not also implementing torque vectoring steering like Arcimoto as well. If you have ever driven a CanAm Spyder at low speeds on twisty roads you will feel the extra power it takes in your shoulders to turn the vehicle. I would think torque steering would reduce the amount of energy required versus electric steering.
I’m curious to how the team will deal with the multiple versions of the Aptera regarding suspension. Pretty big swing as far as weight difference between the shortest- and longest-range models.
Hopefully they will be customized depending on the model. I hope they have some sort of adjusting that could be made depending on how heavily they're loaded though.
Air suspension is the answer. It's the most cost effective, all-rounder suspension with good feel, good tuneability, and the most mode flexibility (loading modes, hill climb mode, leveling, increased ground clearance, etcetera).
One thing very common in the UK is speedbumps to calm traffic in busy built up areas and enhance safety for pedestrians and cyclists. If you are going to produce the Aptera for UK and Europe, then you need to test the suspension on these - don't want the car becoming unstable if someone takes one of these a little fast! (They are not always well marked, so sometimes the first you know of them is when you feel the front tyre hit the bump! UK speedbumps - Bing images
It was mentioned a while back that the hub motor manufacturer was going to integrate mounting points into their casting for the Aptera. Is that still happening? Love the updates. Thanks!
Aptera is not developing the autonomy feature themselves, and it will not delay any deliveries. They are talking with several potential suppliers. There will be a socket in each Aptera where the board that powers the Safety Pilot can be plugged in when that option is ready. This may or may not be when the first Apteras ship.
This portion is the one item I'm really concerned about with the Aptera. The ride looked super rough on the earlier models. Best of luck improving that ride smoothness and handling! :)
The suspension has been completely modified by Roush Performance and the first beta is a suspension mule for tuning. Among the changes are the addition of a sway bar in front and going to a dual link rear instead of a swing arm. I had a chance to ride in the Luna alpha. The handling even there was pretty amazing for cornering, but it was harsh, like a full on sports car. I understand that this has been corrected with the Roush changes and the new version is much more compliant and handles even better.
Such and amazing vehicle! Having a steering wheel seems almost too traditional for such a radical car. It seems like it should have a jet fighter style joystick. It would probably be too expensive, but it would also be cool if you had active suspension so it could lean into the turns.
When will Aptera have test drives available AND is Aptera accepting deposits on cars? LOVE the concept and will LOVE it even more when its available for purchase. Need more info regarding the car, is it easy to repair? I would like to repair my own car as much as possible - never know where you are in the city or in the outback : )
Aptera is accepting pre-order deposits to hold your place in line. a $100 deposit, or $70 with a referral, which is refundable if you should change your mind. Aptera grants right to repair, and the repair documents will be open source. You can repair it yourself, or take it to anyone you wish. Since the parts count is far smaller than most cars, it should be relatively easy. Body repairs should be relatively easy for anyone with composite experience, such as with many boats and some aircraft.
There are jack points on either side of the front suspension, and in the rear near the trailer hitch. There is no spare planned. I plan to carry a plug kit and a dc inflator to fix flats.
@@richardgarlick3861 But does Aptera need autonomous driving? Does Aptera have the resources to succeed in developing a self driving system when other, much better capitalised companies have so far failed?
@@robertkirchner7981 Aptera is not developing their own power steering, but will source the tech from elsewhere. They have been in talks with Tesla, Comma ai. and others.
Level 2 is what I’m looking forward to. I like to drive, but appreciate the additional safety of L2. Give the various conditions of roads and highways and the drivers of other vehicles I think full and safe autonomous driving is quite a ways down the road. Maybe on a road like the Autobahn, but not here yet.
As stated in a mail, where you requested: I really think it would benefit the car if you could disable power steering. With the double wishbone you are able to develop a really sound front suspension which won't require a lot of force since the vehicle weight is low and the tires are narrow for efficiency. This car could deliver as much fun as the 3-wheeler in the mountains. And without material cost, just development. It would be very nice to have a car which shines in steering feel, since it cannot do so in pure speed.
Aptera gives you access to the underlying software and if you have the knowledge, you can play with it as much as you want. If you screw it up too much, there will probably be a method to return to factory default. This is per Aptera's CTO.
I’m sure the engineers have looked at the gyroscopic action of the wheel/motor combination at various speeds and determined that power steering is the best solution. A joy stick steering control would be cool with electric steering. I don’t know if regulations would currently allow it. It would require backup failsafe systems.
@@arlenbell4376 Aptera will have both power steering and torque vectoring. I know that joystick steering has been mentioned, but as far as I know, Aptera hasn't spoken directly to it.
In reading even decade old engineering papers on this topic, it just doesn't seem as though unsprung weight has been an issue for Aptera. Considerable off setting weight has been removed in unneeded drive shafts and robust brakes.
@@n.brucenelson5920 half of an axle shaft is not much compared to a wheel motor, and you still need brakes sufficient to stop the vehicle from its highest speed.
@@brianb-p6586 No, the regenerative braking provides most of the braking power. Basically you don't need more than holding power in the mechanical brakes. Roush is working on the suspension design and there will be major changes to the beta models, including getting rid of the rear swing arm.
@@n.brucenelson5920 Yes, regeneration is most of the braking... when it works. For safety, an EV needs friction braking which is fully functional (for just one stop, so the rotors can be light) without regenerative braking working. I think "Roush is working on..." has become code for "we're paying a company with a recognized name to gain legitimacy".
@@brianb-p6586 "when it works?" Regular brakes can stop a car "when they work". I have had personal experience with brake failure - fortunately in a manual transmission car which left me some control. It has been Aptera's policy to hire and partner with the best people and companies available. No "not invented here" nonsense.
With the emphasis on efficiency are the front and rear motors going to be different where 1 is more efficient at slower speeds and the other at high speed like the Tesla dual motor?
That's not how the Tesla AWD ("Dual Motor") works. In the original AWD Model S the front and rear motors were identical. They were only different in the Performance AWD because they used the old big rear motor instead of the smaller AWD rear motor, giving them motors of different sizes - nothing to do with efficiency. The small and large original-style Tesla Model S motors are geared slightly differently, but not for different speed ranges... just to suit the different motor sizes.
Last year, I decided to look at a Hyundai Ionic. I was pretty interested. THen I took it for a test drive. No freaking way. The tension on the gas pedal was just totally wrong. Too mushy (weak). When I got back from the 15 minute test drive, my calf was actually starting to feel discomfort. I could not get to a position and just go into hold mode. Now try that on an 8 hr drive. Many people would not notice it because they set it on Cruise control. Try some around town driving where Cruse is not appropriate. SO PLEASE, make sure someone pays attention to this.
Wow what a cool product! I would drive it! Put some solar panel wings on top of this that fold back like an insect and you’re airborne! Would also love to see it in an “aluminum” like the Mac book 💻 look that would be fire 🔥! Best of luck. Maybe someday I can invest!
I am 6'5 adult that has a pre-order in for an aptera. I really would like to know if i can fit into the vehicle. From my back to my knee measures 26 inches and from my butt to my head measures ~36 inches. Please let me know. I have not been able to find any information out there.
Should be no problem. One of the founders, Chris Anthony is 6"4". They are designing it to be comfortable for anyone up to at least 6"8". There is room in the back for a 7' er to lie down in.
@@nikkokp So far, what I've read is, they are designing the vehicle to actual car specs, and they plan to have it undergo all of the rigorous crash testing and otherwise and share the results.
@@nikkokp The carbon, kevlar, hemp shell is stronger than a welded steel body and chassis. The construction has been compared to Formula1. The unique shape makes it less likely to suffer direct force during a collision with another vehicle as I recall. It will have a full air bag array.
Don’t fall into autonomous driving trap! A smart cruise that follows traffic and keeps in the lane is suffice. Focus on vehicle delivery and product quality.
Yes! Those plans are described in their annual report available on their web site. A 4 wheel 5 passenger efficient family sized auto is in the concept stage and will begin development in ernest next year once the roadster is finalized and in production.
Don't know how finalized the front suspension design is, but it would be nice if it could pull the front wheels in closer to the body at low speeds, say by rotating forward and down and/or retracting. At 88 inches wide, with the wheels sticking so far out from the cabin, I foresee many fender-benders as drivers have a hard time knowing exactly where their wheels are.
The wheels are easy to see from the driver's seat. A complicated mechanism would add cost and weight. Bringing the wheels in would affect stability and increase the coefficient of drag as much as 10% - not a viable trade- off, considering the design goals for the vehicle.
That would be wildly complicated and impractical. The excessive width is an issue, but it's a natural consequence of choosing a three-wheeled configuration.
Being so light will it be able to go uphill on a loose gravel, sometimes washboard, road? A Harley cruiser motorcycle does not have the stability and traction to do so.
@@glenmattson3765 The current specs on the website list "All wheel drive @ 150 kW" and "Front wheel drive @ 100 kW". This implies that they are planning to use 50 kW in-wheel motors, with motors in either just the front wheels, or all three wheels.
@@brianb-p6586 I imagine that tire contact surface area and tread design will also have a major impact on the amount of AWD traction on gravel, mud and snow.
All these fundamental changes are good i guess , the first drivers will get a v2.0 instead of 1.0 production car now , but best release something and actually produce it. I think the Tesla factory is actually more amazing than the car so you seem to be about 15 percent of the way along toward mass production right now.
That is definitely the case for Aptera which will have a much less capital intensive factory, and at first pass, will only require 23 people to produce vehicles at a rate of 10,000 per year.
@@n.brucenelson5920 That's an impressively low number of people. However, I believe that counts only the body parts molding and final assembly done in San Diego people. Maybe the automated custom battery pack assembly, too? Other parts such as the motors, suspension components, electronics, battery cells, solar cells, etc. are made by many other people, some elsewhere, many by contract manufacturers. A lot of both large and small, standard and custom parts and people will go into making an Aptera.
Nah. This is all going towards Aptera solar EV roadster version 1.0. The initial alpha level prototypes we've seen so far are something other car companies never show the public. Others may show a totally nonfunctional "concept car" and then hide all their progress until the intial product is rolling off the assembly line. Aptera's openess in the showing their production intent design progress is fairly unique, as far as I know. Well, Tesla did a little body prototype show and tell for their unique Cybertruck and Semi. Arcimoto did something similar too so perhaps Aptera Motors is taking a clue from them.
I certainly hope that the main priority is not efficiency. I really don't care if the cycle gets 1000 miles range or 950 miles. My own priorities would be 1) safety, 2) ride comfort, 3) handling/stability, and 4) usable payload. I really don't care about efficiency, self driving, or solar charging since this car is already far above the competition. I really don't see how they are going to have sales in 2021 like they promised.
From the beginning, there has been no confusion that the two main design goals are efficiency and safety. The other items on your list are mainly in the service of the first two. It is clear that the supply chain will be unable to supply at least some of the planned featured at this point (such as a reversing valve). Aptera has been very open about the risks. Depending on the results of the beta testing, there still may be a production intent vehicle by the end of the year. In order to ship, they will require that enough of these vehicles can be produced for crash testing. This is not a legal requirement, but a reflection of Apteras' commitment to safety.
@@n.brucenelson5920 Thank you for the discussion. From what I read, they cannot even decide upon how many airbags to install and where. There was even a mention of just using a clip on seat belt airbag. Have you read if they are going to have common safety features that other economy models have such as: blind-spot monitors lane keep assist lane change warning pedestrian assist autonomous emergency braking adaptive cruise control forward collision warning If you tell me that they are already committed to having these devices, then I can agree with you with their safety standards. Most of all, I think the whole world will be waiting for their crash testing. All it will take is 3 vehicles to do the crash testing, so thousands will not need to be built. Why crash test after production? Those tests will help develop further improvements. Aptera's problem is that they build almost none of their own key metal and electrical parts. There is always going to be something which will restrict a complete build. That is how I know the production sales will not occur within this year. I don't why they don't realize it yet. Thanks
@@SilverShadow2LWB Aptera will have and option of a level 2 safety pilot with these features, and it will have OTA upgradeabiliy. Chip supply makes availability at launch uncertain, but it can be user installed after the fact by plugging in the board to an existing wiring harness connector. To be meaningful, the formal automotive crash tests need to be performed on production intent vehicles. A sense of urgency to achieve a fixed date is a necessary driver for the company itself. They detail the risks that may prevent them from hitting their goals, as long as there is a path to get there, I don't think the management thinks it wise to take the pressure off.
@@n.brucenelson5920 That is exactly what I am talking about. The priority should be in tuned vehicle safety features rather than "do-it-yourself" builds after the sales. Most of these systems are more than just computer boards and software. The hardware, system monitors, and airbags need to be installed at the time of manufacturing. So instead of trying to rush out an incomplete vehicle, I would rather they wait for parts, integrate the systems, tune, and test before it gets into our hands. My wife will have very little knowledge on how to work on such systems, nor the testing equipment required to calibrate each one. This demonstrates that the company is more focused on sales and deadlines rather than vehicle integrity. There is a sizeable group of people who have put down deposits, and are in tune to every video or announcement from the company. Most of them just follow each word as sheep....just like the Elio investors. Have they even settled on a battery pack or custom modified Elaphe hub motor? How could they be ready for production in 3 months? Believe me, there promises will slowly and quietly be changing with excuses related to circumstances outside of their control. Promises from experienced manufacturers should take into consideration Covid and overseas distributors and not be based on "best case scenario" but realistic goals and accomplishments. Aptera is too heavily integrated into a system where they are dependent upon too many other people to manufacture their key components. It just takes one supplier to throw off production dates. Remember that this isn't their first attempt at this project with the previous one failing miserably. I am not trying to be negative, but I am trying to put the data into the right prospective, which we should all do. I am hoping for a successful EV, which is carefully fully built and tested before sales begins. Thanks for the discussion.
@@SilverShadow2LWB Perhaps I should point out that your comments are not only legitimate, but also points detailed in their public financial disclosure documents. With their right to repair policy, you will not be getting a black box with no information. You, or a local mechanic you trust will have all the information they need to evaluate the safety of the production and the freedom to modify anything that you feel falls short. Compare this with the Tesla policy that says you have no right to know what we have produced or service it yourself.
These minor incremental improvements are fine; but I want to see news about what Aptera is doing to actually produce cars. Do you have manufacturing facility? Show it Are you getting your suppliers ramped up with orders? Are you hiring people to build the cars and training them? Are you buying the tooling they need to learn and use? So far i am not seeing the type of news I want to see; little fixes and updates are not important to those wanting to buy something; they want to see cars being made; you can keep updating the car later. Show you are serious about actually making the cars.
It’s a little premature to start hiring/training and purchasing tools until the final production specs are available. Even the training will be an incremental process for the first production runs. I feel comfortable that things are progressing at a logical order and timing.
They have a letter of intent for a factory space in Carlsbad. Hiring is up to around 100 employees. The last funding round raised over 20 million in a week, without an advertising campaign - might be some sort of record. The first production intent vehicles might be ready late Spring.
I am not very interested in hearing about little feature changes; I am interested in hearing about actual tangible steps to make these vehicles. A letter of intent isn't going very far to have a functional factory. This is Oct 8 2021 ; what steps are actually being executed to achieve the goal of production? I'd love to hear an outline and orders and how people are being trained to make cars.
@@BlondieSuperdog You have to understand where they are in the process. At the moment they are building tooling and making parts for the beta vehicles to use for testing, such as extreme temperature performance and parts endurance. Once this is complete they will revise the design and build a dozen or so beta vehicles to prepare the production line and train workers. At that point they will build production intent delta vehicles to crash test and prepare for customer delivery. The deltas are likely to be ready late Spring.
@@n.brucenelson5920 well I do think I understand, most organizations intent to build something can multi task and if they are on pace w current tech 95% can be tested via computer. One then has to wonder why this had not been done on the presentation vehicle and why nothing is approved for orders, shipment, and why some minor design change could impact tools jigs trading and obtaining facilities to build. To me this process has become an excuse for getting nothing real done that is essential.. this is a motorcycle but they want to achieve car standards etc.. it’s like this company is planning to build an aircraft and achieve perfection before they do one thing to produce. I know what people cost, 100 full time staff with talent will easily burn through most of their funding in a year, so if they don’t get production going in 12 months they will need more abd funds that ought to have been used for parts and space and tools will be gone. You don’t need perfection Porsche started w a fairly crude but functional car and evolved it .. but you need sales to pay for evolution not hope for some sugar daddy to hand over money.. that’s a dream that won’t happen without production. If they want an ipo and get rich overnight that won’t happen until they are delivering cars .. period. So I see the company going to the sane sort of dead end as the first altera .. no where. This company needs a oroduction focus they need cars rolling out by June .. that means ordering now, hiring now trading now or they have no future.
Electrically assisted power steering is still normal mechanical rack-and-pinion steering - it just has an assist motor. When the power fails, the steering is just harder to turn, as with any power-assisted steering. He said electrically assisted, not steer-by-wire.
Swappable batteries package easy in and out for everyone with limited parking and condos and apartments, is definitely the go to for electric cars, making aptera more than just any electric car. Aptera would be a car the whole world needs, ,,,,, plus batterie warehouses or stores are the best and easiest way to quickly solve no infrastructures of changing systems along with solar, people will want to purchase two batteries that could be changed easily by lifting slipping in or slipping out for charging not having to travel and wait for a charger and traffic jam. I would buy a mobile battery or battery's. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
The need to make the batteries structural for safety reasons, while being as light as possible, precludes modular or easily swappable batteries for this model, unfortunately. It has been explored.
Could you provide us with a real world power consumption test of the current version at a certain average speed? "round about" let`s say avg. 50 mph with a consumption of 115+-10 wh/mile.... If you are so focused on efficiency tell us the real efficiency. Or give the car to an ev RUclipsr around you and let them test the power consumption as soon as it works kind of flawless...
We will start seeing such third party reports once gamma and delta vehicles are available to loan to third parties. These will be much closer to the final production intent. Big changes are coming to the beta models, compared to the alphas. The alphas are achieving 100 watt hrs per mile at an average speed of around 48 mph, with peaks up to 67.
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Subarus are all wheel drive, which would make one think that they'd be ideal for cold wet climates. The problem is everything on a Subaru undercarage rusts & corrodes at an alarming rate. Talk to mechanics from NY state about working on them. They hate it. All steel fasteners must be Cad-Plated. All aluminum must be Conversion coated. If you don't, you won't be able to give one away in the eastern US. Think long & hard about dissimilar metals in the chassis.
Talking heads videos are boring. Too much wood as if someone sitting there talking. Try to imagine if you were not able to comprehend English. You can still leave his audio there but we want to see some action shots, or at least shots of drawing like early on in this video.
What are the goals for the vehicle? Is this intended for high performance? What are the current issues? What are we trying to achieve and why? What quantifiable gain do you get from this kind of improvement? Does the gain justify any increase in cost? Are their more cost-effective alternatives that achieve a similar gain? The effect of whole vehicle dynamics and the relationship with the front? How can this be controlled? What are the datums to ensure accurate, repeatable, and beneficial adaptation? What angle is appropriate for any given circumstance? How does this affect the current setup? How do we translate power from the motor to the wheels? Can we continue to use a stock final drive? Will this require any further motor changes, or can the rear wheel have a motor? Does this affect the internal wheel arch design? How does this affect reliability/tire? Aptera Synergy with 3WS A steering knuckle with compact electrical actuator are added to steer the rear wheel, initially the rear wheel steers slightly (at most 1.7 degree) in the same direction as the front wheels. This improves stability during high-speed turning or lane changing. Keep turning the steering wheel would reverse the direction of the rear wheel (at most 5 degrees). This is used to quicken low-speed turning and reversing to improve rearward stability during payload weight capacity. Essentially, equivalent to having a long or short wheelbase. Depending how straight or curvy you drive.
A review of the company's website, including its FAQs page, and other posted videos here will answer many of your questions, (At least 6 by my count.) As for the others, has any vehicle manufacturer answered them publicly? Now another question for you: Why the video link? The Aptera is not a leaning motorcycle. It drives and handles like an ordinary lightweight car, with flat bottomed automobile tires, not rounded motorcycle ones that leaning vehicles require.
Marketing people: please do not add the annoying hipster music in the background of the next video. It is so distracting, the video is almost unwatchable.
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This is one of the first companies that is very transparent and honest about what the heck they're doing behind the scenes each video like. I hope they keep doing this. This is amazing
agreed, I just wish the videos were longer, I don't know about everyone else but my attention span lasts longer than 4-5 minutes
@@EV3NTH888 the longer the video, the more time it takes from the job they are doing. This is always a compromise on the best allocation of limited resources.
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@@n.brucenelson5920 I know, but if you do that you will get a lot more orders, which means a lot more money, which means bigger crew, which means more gets done.
As a 35 year airline mechanic, I would suggest the KISS concept along with easy access for technicians, I can’t wait to buy one of these.
I hope there aren’t a lot of resources being devoted to autonomy yet. While it would be nice to have a car that drives itself, I’d rather see a production ready, lower cost, human driven car than see efforts towards self driving push up cost and cause release delays.
Aptera is innovative enough without it that being a little later to market on self driving isn’t a deal breaker.
I don't think they'll delay introduction so the vehicle will be able to drive fully autonomously. That's not the plan. The plan is to have the hardware ready if I understand correctly.
Since the goal is for these vehicles to last for decades, I think it's a very good idea to have the first production version already prepared for autonomous driving. You'll want to be able to upgrade in say 5-10 years when autonomous driving becomes normal, without having to go trough difficult rework on your vehicle.
Aptera has the right focus here imho.
Agreed. The only feature I would have to see at introduction is advanced cruise control. The rest of autonomous driving is gilding the lily.
@@siesstad I understand what you’re saying, but the likelihood of having the right array of sensors, cameras, and computers that enable upgrading to safe autonomous driving on the first production models seems unlikely to me. Waymo, with a complete focus on autonomy, 12 years of experience, and $5.5B in funding is still working on the solution. Aptera with $61M funding while trying to develop an entire vehicle from scratch seems like it would most benefit from omitting self driving altogether for their first model. That challenge just seems too big for such a small startup.
Disclaimers: This is just my fairly uneducated opinion and I am a hopeful for self driving cars in the future when the big players have already jumped the technical and regulatory hurdles.
I don't see anything about production or factory.
Loads of resources into design and research none into production.
At this pace this would never get into production!!
@@mjerez6029 I assume they are planning to contract out production.
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Thank you for taking the time to create this video Brian. And it was great to meet you. As a reserve customer, it's great to know the investment in engineering that goes into this vehicle. I absolutely love that the #1 culture of thought with regard to safety and efficiency rises above how fast it can be produced. As a reserve customer/owner I thank you for this particular perspective and focus. ☀️🍃☀️🌱☀️
This was another truly informative Aptera video. It is refreshing to see the mindset of these engineers in designing the Aptera, their real world goals, challenges, and even ideals. While I appreciate this makers series touching on many different areas of the Aptera's development, I hope that we can see even more of a deep dive with these talented people later on. Maybe after the Beta models hit the road. It would be interesting to hear about Brian's interactions with ROUSH in the suspension development and design. And I am really looking forward to seeing the upcoming Luna (3rd Alpha) reveal soon as well.
Nice because it is likely the rear wheel will take most of the pot holes as it is normal to avoid pot holes with the front wheels.
In anticipation of the Aptera I find myself looking at pot holes now with the thought as to exactly how I need to maneuver so the pothole doesn’t pass under the center of my car. I makes you more aware of potholes than in the past. Those really big potholes will become more of a woah SLOW DOWN.
@@arlenbell4376 smart thinking!
Keep up the great work Brian! Glad to have you on the team!
Really gotta respect his challenges. Wheel motors cause massive unsprung weight. He also probably needs to tune the suspension to the different weights because a 25kwh battery is probably 600 lb lighter than the 100kwh (assuming same chemistry). That's gonna make the 250 mile vehicle 2/3 the weight of the 1000 mile (great for efficiency not stability). Can't imagine a company focused on efficiency would put weights to make 1 suspension.
Keep these videos coming!
It’s good to see the design principles come to life. Keep it simple, keep it light.
I really appreciate these videos. Thanks a bunch. I've never loved a company like this.
Great update ! Thanks. Maybe what is needed can be made as a one piece aluminum casting to further cut part count. Sandy Munro Loves this kind of engineering as well
Thanks for the updates. I really appreciate being kept informed. It's going to be a long wait, but the frequent info helps to pass the time.
Really appreciate Aptera posting these updates. So Aptera is switching the rear suspension from Swing Arm to Double Trailing Link. The main advantage seems to be a less bouncy suspension for a more comfortable ride as well as less lift up when fast accelerating. I'm finding difficulty understanding the fundamental differences because they are quite similar. Swing Arms are typical for rear wheels on motorcycles. Trailing arms applications are what you see for airplane landing gear and some rear wheel axis of a few 4 wheeled cars. According to the diagram, this new design seems to save a lot of space for the back side hump just behind the car seats. If so, you may be able to create a deeper pocket just behind the seats, enough so that a third person could sit facing rear like so. -\_
I'll be your first car salesman Aptera. I'm excited! Keep going forward!
It just gets better all the time. Super efficient is key. I can't wait. Being different could be hard to find off the self parts. I hope supplier step up. Maybe motor cycle parts would be a good fit.
Maybe parts from heavy/large motorcycles (such as Gold Wings).
*LOVE* *THE MAKERS SERIES* PoV of the systems engineers / designers is terrific and informative. Thank you!
Did I correctly spot that you guys are using "Race Car Chassis: Design and Construction" by Forbes Aird? Excellent book.
love it
EPS or electric power steering confirmed, to all those who were asking! 🙂 Also great to hear that Autonomy features are high up on the list of aspirational capabilities on future models/updates.
Aptera is on track for great things in the EV industry. Glad I got in early in this company.
With the weight so light, I wonder why they needed it, gen 1 miatas had no power steering option to give context.
@@ChrisLoew The EPS is required for autonomous features to work. Without it, the car would have no mechanism for turning the wheel on its own. It is possible they could use vector steering for this as well, but implementing that would be less straight forward.
It is nice to see electric power steering but not sure why they are not also implementing torque vectoring steering like Arcimoto as well. If you have ever driven a CanAm Spyder at low speeds on twisty roads you will feel the extra power it takes in your shoulders to turn the vehicle. I would think torque steering would reduce the amount of energy required versus electric steering.
I’m curious to how the team will deal with the multiple versions of the Aptera regarding suspension. Pretty big swing as far as weight difference between the shortest- and longest-range models.
Hopefully they will be customized depending on the model. I hope they have some sort of adjusting that could be made depending on how heavily they're loaded though.
@@rngalston for sure. Definitely hope so.
That will probably be done using spring and damper rates rather than re engineering the whole suspension design for each model.
@@jamiecrutchley4146 sounds simple, hope they go with that option.
Air suspension is the answer. It's the most cost effective, all-rounder suspension with good feel, good tuneability, and the most mode flexibility (loading modes, hill climb mode, leveling, increased ground clearance, etcetera).
Been watching this company for along time!.....please make it affordable for us all. Don't want to see another"DALE" for all that remember that.
One thing very common in the UK is speedbumps to calm traffic in busy built up areas and enhance safety for pedestrians and cyclists. If you are going to produce the Aptera for UK and Europe, then you need to test the suspension on these - don't want the car becoming unstable if someone takes one of these a little fast! (They are not always well marked, so sometimes the first you know of them is when you feel the front tyre hit the bump!
UK speedbumps - Bing images
Speed bump performance is part of the beta vehicle test protocols.
Brian thank you for being a part of Saving the Earth.
Brian, excellent! Just love the idea of the World's Most Efficient Vehicle!!!
It was mentioned a while back that the hub motor manufacturer was going to integrate mounting points into their casting for the Aptera. Is that still happening? Love the updates. Thanks!
Aptera is not developing the autonomy feature themselves, and it will not delay any deliveries. They are talking with several potential suppliers. There will be a socket in each Aptera where the board that powers the Safety Pilot can be plugged in when that option is ready. This may or may not be when the first Apteras ship.
The Elaphe wheel motors will have a quite different form for the beta models compared to the alphas, with protected, cleaner cable runs
These inserts are great!
This portion is the one item I'm really concerned about with the Aptera. The ride looked super rough on the earlier models. Best of luck improving that ride smoothness and handling! :)
The suspension has been completely modified by Roush Performance and the first beta is a suspension mule for tuning. Among the changes are the addition of a sway bar in front and going to a dual link rear instead of a swing arm. I had a chance to ride in the Luna alpha. The handling even there was pretty amazing for cornering, but it was harsh, like a full on sports car. I understand that this has been corrected with the Roush changes and the new version is much more compliant and handles even better.
Such and amazing vehicle! Having a steering wheel seems almost too traditional for such a radical car. It seems like it should have a jet fighter style joystick. It would probably be too expensive, but it would also be cool if you had active suspension so it could lean into the turns.
When will Aptera have test drives available AND is Aptera accepting deposits on cars? LOVE the concept and will LOVE it even more when its available for purchase. Need more info regarding the car, is it easy to repair? I would like to repair my own car as much as possible - never know where you are in the city or in the outback : )
Aptera is accepting pre-order deposits to hold your place in line. a $100 deposit, or $70 with a referral, which is refundable if you should change your mind. Aptera grants right to repair, and the repair documents will be open source. You can repair it yourself, or take it to anyone you wish. Since the parts count is far smaller than most cars, it should be relatively easy. Body repairs should be relatively easy for anyone with composite experience, such as with many boats and some aircraft.
Efficient and safety should be the two pillars! 💪🏻
Where are the jack points for working on the car? Are there road side assistant equipment like jack and/or spare tire?
There are jack points on either side of the front suspension, and in the rear near the trailer hitch. There is no spare planned. I plan to carry a plug kit and a dc inflator to fix flats.
fantastic. this is ACTUAL INFORMATION. not nothingburgers like rivian.
Will you also talk about the motors in the wheels and the acceleration?
Being as light as it is, I'm surprised it needs power steering at all.
Power steering needed for autonomous driving
@@richardgarlick3861 But does Aptera need autonomous driving?
Does Aptera have the resources to succeed in developing a self driving system when other, much better capitalised companies have so far failed?
@@robertkirchner7981 They refer to autonomous driving as level 2, ADAS “think lane keepin”
@@robertkirchner7981 Aptera is not developing their own power steering, but will source the tech from elsewhere. They have been in talks with Tesla, Comma ai. and others.
Level 2 is what I’m looking forward to. I like to drive, but appreciate the additional safety of L2. Give the various conditions of roads and highways and the drivers of other vehicles I think full and safe autonomous driving is quite a ways down the road. Maybe on a road like the Autobahn, but not here yet.
I just want a comfortable car that gets a long range in the northern cold regions where I'm at. Did i mention it has to be electric?
How did the rear suspension redesign impact the vehicle weight?
As stated in a mail, where you requested: I really think it would benefit the car if you could disable power steering. With the double wishbone you are able to develop a really sound front suspension which won't require a lot of force since the vehicle weight is low and the tires are narrow for efficiency. This car could deliver as much fun as the 3-wheeler in the mountains. And without material cost, just development. It would be very nice to have a car which shines in steering feel, since it cannot do so in pure speed.
Aptera gives you access to the underlying software and if you have the knowledge, you can play with it as much as you want. If you screw it up too much, there will probably be a method to return to factory default.
This is per Aptera's CTO.
@@n.brucenelson5920 Ah, thank you for the information. Didn't knew this. Sounds good to me.
I’m sure the engineers have looked at the gyroscopic action of the wheel/motor combination at various speeds and determined that power steering is the best solution. A joy stick steering control would be cool with electric steering. I don’t know if regulations would currently allow it. It would require backup failsafe systems.
@@arlenbell4376 Ofcurse is EPS the only solution hence it is able to enable steering by car systems. But if it could be disabled it could be fun.
@@arlenbell4376 Aptera will have both power steering and torque vectoring.
I know that joystick steering has been mentioned, but as far as I know, Aptera hasn't spoken directly to it.
Very encouraging
Like to see some stats on the ride and handling, how’s the unsprung weight quandary coming along. 👍👍
In reading even decade old engineering papers on this topic, it just doesn't seem as though unsprung weight has been an issue for Aptera. Considerable off setting weight has been removed in unneeded drive shafts and robust brakes.
@@n.brucenelson5920 half of an axle shaft is not much compared to a wheel motor, and you still need brakes sufficient to stop the vehicle from its highest speed.
@@brianb-p6586 No, the regenerative braking provides most of the braking power. Basically you don't need more than holding power in the mechanical brakes.
Roush is working on the suspension design and there will be major changes to the beta models, including getting rid of the rear swing arm.
@@n.brucenelson5920 Yes, regeneration is most of the braking... when it works. For safety, an EV needs friction braking which is fully functional (for just one stop, so the rotors can be light) without regenerative braking working.
I think "Roush is working on..." has become code for "we're paying a company with a recognized name to gain legitimacy".
@@brianb-p6586 "when it works?" Regular brakes can stop a car "when they work". I have had personal experience with brake failure - fortunately in a manual transmission car which left me some control.
It has been Aptera's policy to hire and partner with the best people and companies available.
No "not invented here" nonsense.
You should have an “Ironman” color scheme option! That would be fire!!!
With the emphasis on efficiency are the front and rear motors going to be different where 1 is more efficient at slower speeds and the other at high speed like the Tesla dual motor?
Probably hasn't been determined yet. The rear motor is optional, however.
That's not how the Tesla AWD ("Dual Motor") works. In the original AWD Model S the front and rear motors were identical. They were only different in the Performance AWD because they used the old big rear motor instead of the smaller AWD rear motor, giving them motors of different sizes - nothing to do with efficiency. The small and large original-style Tesla Model S motors are geared slightly differently, but not for different speed ranges... just to suit the different motor sizes.
Hopefully the suspension is fully user adjustable as it is on modern motorcycles. We are all different.
Last year, I decided to look at a Hyundai Ionic. I was pretty interested. THen I took it for a test drive.
No freaking way. The tension on the gas pedal was just totally wrong. Too mushy (weak). When I got back from the 15 minute test drive, my calf was actually starting to feel discomfort. I could not get to a position and just go into hold mode. Now try that on an 8 hr drive. Many people would not notice it because they set it on Cruise control. Try some around town driving where Cruse is not appropriate.
SO PLEASE, make sure someone pays attention to this.
Might be good to team up with Comma for the self driving aspect.
Wow what a cool product! I would drive it! Put some solar panel wings on top of this that fold back like an insect and you’re airborne! Would also love to see it in an “aluminum” like the Mac book 💻 look that would be fire 🔥! Best of luck. Maybe someday I can invest!
I am 6'5 adult that has a pre-order in for an aptera. I really would like to know if i can fit into the vehicle. From my back to my knee measures 26 inches and from my butt to my head measures ~36 inches. Please let me know. I have not been able to find any information out there.
Should be no problem. One of the founders, Chris Anthony is 6"4". They are designing it to be comfortable for anyone up to at least 6"8". There is room in the back for a 7' er to lie down in.
i’m really curious about safety can you guys please put out some data/a video on this. love the product just curious about safety
The safety guy's turn will come. Stay calm!😂
I am calm just really curious, if this is safer than the average car they’ve got a home run product:)
@@nikkokp So far, what I've read is, they are designing the vehicle to actual car specs, and they plan to have it undergo all of the rigorous crash testing and otherwise and share the results.
@@nikkokp The carbon, kevlar, hemp shell is stronger than a welded steel body and chassis. The construction has been compared to Formula1. The unique shape makes it less likely to suffer direct force during a collision with another vehicle as I recall. It will have a full air bag array.
Sweet.
I wonder, In the current iteration, what is the natural frequency of the suspension?
When will we see how well it goes around the Nurburgring?
He's got his work cut out for him. He will end up revolutionizing car suspension.
Why? There's nothing revolutionary here.
Yup, imagine if when all is said and done the actual ranges are 300, 480, 720 and 1,200 miles?
ofc if you go like 10 miles an hour xD
@@BlocksPlayTV No, 12! lol
With it's lightness, I expect city range to be close to this.
Don’t fall into autonomous driving trap! A smart cruise that follows traffic and keeps in the lane is suffice. Focus on vehicle delivery and product quality.
That is exactly what Aptera is doing.
Is there any future plans for a vehicle they can hold more people?
Yes! Those plans are described in their annual report available on their web site. A 4 wheel 5 passenger efficient family sized auto is in the concept stage and will begin development in ernest next year once the roadster is finalized and in production.
Don't know how finalized the front suspension design is, but it would be nice if it could pull the front wheels in closer to the body at low speeds, say by rotating forward and down and/or retracting. At 88 inches wide, with the wheels sticking so far out from the cabin, I foresee many fender-benders as drivers have a hard time knowing exactly where their wheels are.
The wheels are easy to see from the driver's seat. A complicated mechanism would add cost and weight. Bringing the wheels in would affect stability and increase the coefficient of drag as much as 10% - not a viable trade- off, considering the design goals for the vehicle.
@@n.brucenelson5920 That's why I qualified my suggestion with "at low speeds." But, it's good that the wheels are visible from the driver's seat.
That would be wildly complicated and impractical. The excessive width is an issue, but it's a natural consequence of choosing a three-wheeled configuration.
Did you consider to make Aptera LEANING? Like some trikes on the market (ie Yamaha Niken). It will be more comfortable and fast on turns.
Being so light will it be able to go uphill on a loose gravel, sometimes washboard, road? A Harley cruiser motorcycle does not have the stability and traction to do so.
Even lighter cars have existed in the recent past. My 1700 pound 1992 Geo Metro had no trouble climbing gravelly or snowy hills.
That has nothing to do with total vehicle weight. Aptera is currently talking about all-wheel-drive, so traction is not an issue.
@@brianb-p6586 An AWD option would be ideal.
@@glenmattson3765 The current specs on the website list "All wheel drive @ 150 kW" and "Front wheel drive @ 100 kW". This implies that they are planning to use 50 kW in-wheel motors, with motors in either just the front wheels, or all three wheels.
@@brianb-p6586 I imagine that tire contact surface area and tread design will also have a major impact on the amount of AWD traction on gravel, mud and snow.
Bin the music !!!
All these fundamental changes are good i guess , the first drivers will get a v2.0 instead of 1.0 production car now , but best release something and actually produce it. I think the Tesla factory is actually more amazing than the car so you seem to be about 15 percent of the way along toward mass production right now.
That is definitely the case for Aptera which will have a much less capital intensive factory, and at first pass, will only require 23 people to produce vehicles at a rate of 10,000 per year.
@@n.brucenelson5920 That's an impressively low number of people. However, I believe that counts only the body parts molding and final assembly done in San Diego people. Maybe the automated custom battery pack assembly, too?
Other parts such as the motors, suspension components, electronics, battery cells, solar cells, etc. are made by many other people, some elsewhere, many by contract manufacturers. A lot of both large and small, standard and custom parts and people will go into making an Aptera.
Nah. This is all going towards Aptera solar EV roadster version 1.0. The initial alpha level prototypes we've seen so far are something other car companies never show the public. Others may show a totally nonfunctional "concept car" and then hide all their progress until the intial product is rolling off the assembly line. Aptera's openess in the showing their production intent design progress is fairly unique, as far as I know. Well, Tesla did a little body prototype show and tell for their unique Cybertruck and Semi. Arcimoto did something similar too so perhaps Aptera Motors is taking a clue from them.
Someone get their mic a pop filter! Or the speaker a water bottle!
hydro pneumatic suspension?
I certainly hope that the main priority is not efficiency. I really don't care if the cycle gets 1000 miles range or 950 miles. My own priorities would be 1) safety, 2) ride comfort, 3) handling/stability, and 4) usable payload. I really don't care about efficiency, self driving, or solar charging since this car is already far above the competition. I really don't see how they are going to have sales in 2021 like they promised.
From the beginning, there has been no confusion that the two main design goals are efficiency and safety. The other items on your list are mainly in the service of the first two.
It is clear that the supply chain will be unable to supply at least some of the planned featured at this point (such as a reversing valve). Aptera has been very open about the risks. Depending on the results of the beta testing, there still may be a production intent vehicle by the end of the year. In order to ship, they will require that enough of these vehicles can be produced for crash testing. This is not a legal requirement, but a reflection of Apteras' commitment to safety.
@@n.brucenelson5920 Thank you for the discussion. From what I read, they cannot even decide upon how many airbags to install and where. There was even a mention of just using a clip on seat belt airbag. Have you read if they are going to have common safety features that other economy models have such as:
blind-spot monitors
lane keep assist
lane change warning
pedestrian assist
autonomous emergency braking
adaptive cruise control
forward collision warning
If you tell me that they are already committed to having these devices, then I can agree with you with their safety standards. Most of all, I think the whole world will be waiting for their crash testing. All it will take is 3 vehicles to do the crash testing, so thousands will not need to be built. Why crash test after production? Those tests will help develop further improvements.
Aptera's problem is that they build almost none of their own key metal and electrical parts. There is always going to be something which will restrict a complete build. That is how I know the production sales will not occur within this year. I don't why they don't realize it yet. Thanks
@@SilverShadow2LWB Aptera will have and option of a level 2 safety pilot with these features, and it will have OTA upgradeabiliy. Chip supply makes availability at launch uncertain, but it can be user installed after the fact by plugging in the board to an existing wiring harness connector.
To be meaningful, the formal automotive crash tests need to be performed on production intent vehicles.
A sense of urgency to achieve a fixed date is a necessary driver for the company itself. They detail the risks that may prevent them from hitting their goals, as long as there is a path to get there, I don't think the management thinks it wise to take the pressure off.
@@n.brucenelson5920 That is exactly what I am talking about. The priority should be in tuned vehicle safety features rather than "do-it-yourself" builds after the sales. Most of these systems are more than just computer boards and software. The hardware, system monitors, and airbags need to be installed at the time of manufacturing. So instead of trying to rush out an incomplete vehicle, I would rather they wait for parts, integrate the systems, tune, and test before it gets into our hands. My wife will have very little knowledge on how to work on such systems, nor the testing equipment required to calibrate each one. This demonstrates that the company is more focused on sales and deadlines rather than vehicle integrity. There is a sizeable group of people who have put down deposits, and are in tune to every video or announcement from the company. Most of them just follow each word as sheep....just like the Elio investors. Have they even settled on a battery pack or custom modified Elaphe hub motor? How could they be ready for production in 3 months? Believe me, there promises will slowly and quietly be changing with excuses related to circumstances outside of their control. Promises from experienced manufacturers should take into consideration Covid and overseas distributors and not be based on "best case scenario" but realistic goals and accomplishments. Aptera is too heavily integrated into a system where they are dependent upon too many other people to manufacture their key components. It just takes one supplier to throw off production dates. Remember that this isn't their first attempt at this project with the previous one failing miserably. I am not trying to be negative, but I am trying to put the data into the right prospective, which we should all do. I am hoping for a successful EV, which is carefully fully built and tested before sales begins. Thanks for the discussion.
@@SilverShadow2LWB Perhaps I should point out that your comments are not only legitimate, but also points detailed in their public financial disclosure documents.
With their right to repair policy, you will not be getting a black box with no information. You, or a local mechanic you trust will have all the information they need to evaluate the safety of the production and the freedom to modify anything that you feel falls short. Compare this with the Tesla policy that says you have no right to know what we have produced or service it yourself.
These minor incremental improvements are fine; but I want to see news about what Aptera is doing to actually produce cars. Do you have manufacturing facility? Show it Are you getting your suppliers ramped up with orders? Are you hiring people to build the cars and training them? Are you buying the tooling they need to learn and use? So far i am not seeing the type of news I want to see; little fixes and updates are not important to those wanting to buy something; they want to see cars being made; you can keep updating the car later. Show you are serious about actually making the cars.
It’s a little premature to start hiring/training and purchasing tools until the final production specs are available. Even the training will be an incremental process for the first production runs. I feel comfortable that things are progressing at a logical order and timing.
They have a letter of intent for a factory space in Carlsbad. Hiring is up to around 100 employees. The last funding round raised over 20 million in a week, without an advertising campaign - might be some sort of record. The first production intent vehicles might be ready late Spring.
I am not very interested in hearing about little feature changes; I am interested in hearing about actual tangible steps to make these vehicles. A letter of intent isn't going very far to have a functional factory. This is Oct 8 2021 ; what steps are actually being executed to achieve the goal of production? I'd love to hear an outline and orders and how people are being trained to make cars.
@@BlondieSuperdog You have to understand where they are in the process. At the moment they are building tooling and making parts for the beta vehicles to use for testing, such as extreme temperature performance and parts endurance. Once this is complete they will revise the design and build a dozen or so beta vehicles to prepare the production line and train workers.
At that point they will build production intent delta vehicles to crash test and prepare for customer delivery. The deltas are likely to be ready late Spring.
@@n.brucenelson5920 well I do think I understand, most organizations intent to build something can multi task and if they are on pace w current tech 95% can be tested via computer. One then has to wonder why this had not been done on the presentation vehicle and why nothing is approved for orders, shipment, and why some minor design change could impact tools jigs trading and obtaining facilities to build. To me this process has become an excuse for getting nothing real done that is essential.. this is a motorcycle but they want to achieve car standards etc.. it’s like this company is planning to build an aircraft and achieve perfection before they do one thing to produce. I know what people cost, 100 full time staff with talent will easily burn through most of their funding in a year, so if they don’t get production going in 12 months they will need more abd funds that ought to have been used for parts and space and tools will be gone. You don’t need perfection Porsche started w a fairly crude but functional car and evolved it .. but you need sales to pay for evolution not hope for some sugar daddy to hand over money.. that’s a dream that won’t happen without production. If they want an ipo and get rich overnight that won’t happen until they are delivering cars .. period. So I see the company going to the sane sort of dead end as the first altera .. no where. This company needs a oroduction focus they need cars rolling out by June .. that means ordering now, hiring now trading now or they have no future.
Will there be the standard rack and pinion if there is an electrical failure?
Electrically assisted power steering is still normal mechanical rack-and-pinion steering - it just has an assist motor. When the power fails, the steering is just harder to turn, as with any power-assisted steering. He said electrically assisted, not steer-by-wire.
Swappable batteries package easy in and out for everyone with limited parking and condos and apartments, is definitely the go to for electric cars, making aptera more than just any electric car. Aptera would be a car the whole world needs, ,,,,, plus batterie warehouses or stores are the best and easiest way to quickly solve no infrastructures of changing systems along with solar, people will want to purchase two batteries that could be changed easily by lifting slipping in or slipping out for charging not having to travel and wait for a charger and traffic jam. I would buy a mobile battery or battery's. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
The need to make the batteries structural for safety reasons, while being as light as possible, precludes modular or easily swappable batteries for this model, unfortunately. It has been explored.
The smallest battery pack , 40Kwh, weighs around 400 lbs.
@@jonsek there is a 25 kWh battery pack that weighs about 250 lbs. This size vehicle starts at around $25.9K
@@n.brucenelson5920 Thanks for the correction. I ordered the 400 mile range.
@@jonsek So did I. Congratulations are in order!
Could you provide us with a real world power consumption test of the current version at a certain average speed? "round about" let`s say avg. 50 mph with a consumption of 115+-10 wh/mile.... If you are so focused on efficiency tell us the real efficiency. Or give the car to an ev RUclipsr around you and let them test the power consumption as soon as it works kind of flawless...
We will start seeing such third party reports once gamma and delta vehicles are available to loan to third parties. These will be much closer to the final production intent. Big changes are coming to the beta models, compared to the alphas.
The alphas are achieving 100 watt hrs per mile at an average speed of around 48 mph, with peaks up to 67.
to aptera motors. i am one of your subscribers from india who is seeking to get a aptera as a giveaway. if you select me for giveaway, i really appreciate it. hoping for your reply ( and your car) . i really loved the idea , design and car. and as a unemployed student i cannot afford. and thats the reason for writing this.
love from india
All you need is for 26 referrals to buy one. That’s how you get a free one. Check the website for all the details.
@@SteveBueche1027 actually 26 of them should purchase the car. only then i could have one. it is mentioned in the terms and conditions.
Subarus are all wheel drive, which would make one think that they'd be ideal for cold wet climates. The problem is everything on a Subaru undercarage rusts & corrodes at an alarming rate. Talk to mechanics from NY state about working on them. They hate it. All steel fasteners must be Cad-Plated. All aluminum must be Conversion coated. If you don't, you won't be able to give one away in the eastern US. Think long & hard about dissimilar metals in the chassis.
Nice
While you're playing with suspension
How good would this look squatting on 4 wheels?
Talking heads videos are boring. Too much wood as if someone sitting there talking. Try to imagine if you were not able to comprehend English. You can still leave his audio there but we want to see some action shots, or at least shots of drawing like early on in this video.
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What are the goals for the vehicle? Is this intended for high performance? What are the current issues? What are we trying to achieve and why? What quantifiable gain do you get from this kind of improvement? Does the gain justify any increase in cost? Are their more cost-effective alternatives that achieve a similar gain? The effect of whole vehicle dynamics and the relationship with the front? How can this be controlled? What are the datums to ensure accurate, repeatable, and beneficial adaptation? What angle is appropriate for any given circumstance? How does this affect the current setup? How do we translate power from the motor to the wheels? Can we continue to use a stock final drive? Will this require any further motor changes, or can the rear wheel have a motor? Does this affect the internal wheel arch design? How does this affect reliability/tire?
Aptera Synergy with 3WS
A steering knuckle with compact electrical actuator are added to steer the rear wheel, initially the rear wheel steers slightly (at most 1.7 degree) in the same direction as the front wheels. This improves stability during high-speed turning or lane changing. Keep turning the steering wheel would reverse the direction of the rear wheel (at most 5 degrees). This is used to quicken low-speed turning and reversing to improve rearward stability during payload weight capacity. Essentially, equivalent to having a long or short wheelbase. Depending how straight or curvy you drive.
Why only twenty questions? What of twenty five? What of twenty nine,? What of forty? Why not fifty three? Seventy perhaps? Hundred maybe? ?, ?, ?
The goal of the vehicle is to provide the most energy-efficient transportation possible for two people. As simple, and as complicated, as that.
First time hearing about Aptera?
A review of the company's website, including its FAQs page, and other posted videos here will answer many of your questions, (At least 6 by my count.) As for the others, has any vehicle manufacturer answered them publicly?
Now another question for you: Why the video link? The Aptera is not a leaning motorcycle. It drives and handles like an ordinary lightweight car, with flat bottomed automobile tires, not rounded motorcycle ones that leaning vehicles require.
@@fotoguru222 Okay, I took the link off. The body rolls while the dual trailing arms maintain proper contact patch for a symmetrical tire.
Need password or email lost password safe gaurd for scantool car theft protection so nobody can mimic the admin or company.
Elon Musk. Watching very closely
Marketing people: please do not add the annoying hipster music in the background of the next video. It is so distracting, the video is almost unwatchable.