Upgrade path is an awesome feature. Also, the shades are on point, especially given the dark room work. Folks looked at me funny when I was doing all that night vision calibration stuff, but regular lights just get to you after a while...
I used to be in middle school and that’s when the Aptera 2e was coming about and I was so excited. Now as an adult I’m even more excited cause it’s much more within my grasp
i’m not into cars at all and this car got me into cars ! can’t wait to learn how to repair the aptera on my own ! will be a great learning experience !
@@bleedingcovenant9495 I am a car enthusiast. But not in a professional way. I am not even technical orientated. Just love driving. But my aim is to be able to repair my Aptera some day. I am already recruiting a highly technical friend of mine to help me when the time comes. Can't wait.
Love that you are building in upgradeability. I still don't know how you are going to do it without making the panels part of the composite lamination, but will look forward to being surprised.
It would be great to have an optional solar panel sun shade also, though with the overhead view you did, when the panels will be collecting the most sun, the dash panels fill the windshield pretty well. In addition to collecting a bit more power, a sun shade would help keep the interior surface temps down (especially with slightly open windows) in comparison to being in contact with direct sunlight though (that whole greenhouse effect thing!) so when preconditioning the interior temps will get lower quicker without having to cool down the interior surfaces like the dash which will continue to radiate.
I'm wondering if those flat lenses have some special purpose related to his need to discern the optical characteristics of the cells he's working with.
Having actually usable solar power will separate Aptera from most other EVs. I have selected the full "Never Charge" solar option on my reserved Aptera. I am excited by the idea that my EV will refill the battery back up just sitting in the sun in the parking lot at work, or just sitting parked in my driveway. Potentially, the onboard solar panels could add an extra 280+ miles a week to my car's range from the sun, for free. Solar power is a benefit will add up over time to be a big savings.
I've done rough math, for prices in my area, that compared to a non-solar EV (Tesla model 3 as baseline) I'd save $250 or more a year on my electric bill. That is both a combination of the efficiency in miles per Watt hour and the bonus of free sunlight. I don't have my formula saved, so don't make me do it again, but that's what I came up with. I also drive like 1300 miles a month for work. YMMcertainlyV
@@jlschmugge Smart of you to warn you didn't have any calculus formula saved for your findings. Otherwise you could bet what all the "smart" guys here would be asking you.
@@adimchionyenadum2962 will I guess it's not true I don't have a formula. I basically took the numbers for the Model 3 battery size and kWh/mi usage, used my estimated weekly commute mileage, and factored in cost per Wh my electric utility costs me (about 10.5 cents) to how much that would cost me per week for the Model 3. Then I just did the same for Aptera after 280 free solar miles a week and Aptera's more efficient kWh/mi usage. What I don't actually have anymore is all the numbers that got me to $250 a year. I just remember the final result.
@@jlschmugge Disclaimer: I am not in the math thing. But I guess all those calculations would require some sort of formula other than the everyday Arithmetic. So even though you don't remember the actual numbers anymore you better reveal the formula before the smart guys arrive and start asking all sorts of questions🤣
hundreds of thousands of these cars in US would really help to see a large drop of co2 in the transportation sector, which presently if I am correct, 26% of all co2 emissions. The oil industry will hate it but thats their problem.
How exciting! Aptera's range is tested at the EPA driving cycle with a max speed of 67 mph. With higher speed comes less range but cruising at 65mph is our expectation. We will likely not have a heat pump in our first production vehicles. They are very complex systems and it's a 2 year development effort to get a design implemented.
I agree sir. Luckily I live in Southern California where it doesn't get as cold. I will be using the AC more than the heater. By the way, heating an EV might reduce your range by 40% - 50% if they have "combustion" heaters. Heat pumps are better and take less energy from your batteries. So I pray for a heat pump. AC may reduce your range by approximately 20%. This is why the 1kmile range is something I'm interested in although I will paying $10k USD more than the 600 mile range model. That is a lot of money for an extra 400 miles. And these ranges are just for comparison for now. We don't know what the real ranges will be until later. Considering the recommended battery charge range for optimal longevity of your cell phone of between 20% to 80% , I think the 1kmile range will be around 800 miles. I hope I'm wrong.
Really loving everything so far. I saw that you had what looked like a grid you just placed solar panels into, and I'm wondering if a version of that will end up on the final vehicle? If so, would the solar panels connect modularly via contact points between the panel and the grid, or would each solar panel be wired separately? It seems like the contact points would make them easier to replace, or even customize later on.
Love what you are doing. Years ago I wanted to glue solar panels to my 92 Mitsubishi Expo, haha. I think extending the solar panel pattern from the tail forward to the door would increase output and, especially on the white colors, would be a cool looking pattern. I have the same desire to do road trips where I don't know where I am going or what I am going to be doing. I am currently doing that full time with my two wheeled motorcycle and hoping to do the same with my three wheeled motorcycle, My Aptera ;-) Thank you ALL for what you are doing!
I take him seriously based on what he says. But I would much prefer seeing someone's eyes and hearing their name. It just gives much more trust and connection. This creates a distance, while Aptera has been doing so well with regards to trying to eliminate that distance.
Hopefully the car can have 1 or 2 external Zamp or other plugs to add external solar panels for increased charging. Adding additional F folding or roll up panels would be nice.
Agreed, the Noir is sexy as hell. On top of that, the solar cells blend in, so I'll be expecting lots of second glances while people try to figure out just what the hell is up with my car. ;P
I hope you'll have a built-in retractable sunshade to shade from the steering wheel backward. If it should be parked in the sun for charging, then every single Aptera driver is going to want/need a sun shade for the cockpit while parked.
This could be interesting to apply in electric aviation. A test in Germany with a small modified wing design model rendered straight 9 days of flying. This may have been made 4 years ago.
Solar on aviation is tricky. Solar Impulse airplane was able to go around with world on solar panels only. It has a wingspan of a 747 yet it weighs like an Aptera, and it can carry only one person. It also flies at 40mph average, pretty slow. I think the solar modules on Aptera won't produce much power, but they may prove to be an useful addition due to the outstanding efficiency of the car.
@@theagentsmith Yes, there are some issues with power density of solar energy but the same happens with the car. I did mention a 9 day flight but these solar panels can serve as range extenders or as chargers when the plane is not flying (just like with the car). Just like you said it can be an useful addition for systems that are efficient but in fact it could got to aviation right now. There is a need for electric power in a conventional plane anyway a probably the trade-off can be interesting. The difficulties in aviation are probably of the same nature as in the car but only worst in regard to speed and additional in regard to safety.
@@adimchionyenadum2962 The airplane Ricardo C mentioned likely was one that did NOT have a human pilot but the one Niccolo Gallarati mention did. There have been numerous solar UAVs. I've personally built custom modules for some and it's a pretty cool "industry". By the way, the Solar Impulse plane is being converted to pilotless! Check out Skydweller Aero. It's a joint Spanish/American business that now has the Solar Impulse plane.
@@alainchuzel8341 So how was Niccolo Gallarati's able to circle the world with a human pilot at just 40mph? How long did that take to complete? Perhaps it wasn't without landing.
I wonwder about replacing the converters and power controllers, they get hot and dusty, that's the main power failures when motors are hot causing voltage resistance. Temperature sensors and data of power components make finding any cause of component or connectivity issues a easy fix, when or should a issue arise.
I have put in my order for a 600 mile AWD with added hatch solar, but now have question: Does hatch solar preclude view out the back? That would be a safety/comfort issue for me and would sadly remove that from order if that was the case, unless some sort of full-time rear view camera compensated for it.
@@ApteraMotors Anxiously awaiting the day I can receive my already ordered Aptera. BTW, I live down the road from Ascent; just by coincidence. I drove out there a few weeks back after I learned this to see what they are up to, but tours not available yet d/t covid, etc. So I can definitely be a liaison for you if needed. Retiring soon and would enjoy the engagement into a world that gets me out of bed every day. Keep up the good work. No, GREAT work!
SunCat Solar, LLC too. Nearly thirty years experience in innovate/design/build/validate/sell with all solar cell types FOR solar cars with compound curves. Also, a thousand or so special "near space" modules with 0 failures. We're nearing retirement. We really should talk......
Can you please go into more technical detail about what your doing? It would certainly make me feel more excited about the car and make me feel more confident in this cars successful launch.
Can anyone out there help me find an "official" (or any) video in which Mr. Steve Fambro speaks about' "easy replace-ability" of solar cells on the Aptera?
The biggest problem with solar panels I’ve found is the hazing that takes place over time when covered with resins or plastic. Are there any plans to cover them with a thin resin and maybe a thin plate of glass to prevent this?
Hazing or other optical degradation (within inadequate time-frames) is the result of the WRONG "resin or plastic". There are plenty of resins/plastics that can do the trick for Aptera. One combination that I happen to know someone at Aptera is considering is a type of EVA in intimate contact with the solar cells then a type of ETFE as the "top film". I work with these types of materials practically daily. They are "old school" but well proven over thirty years of use/experience. In the end, however, I doubt that's what will be ultimately on the car because there are "better" materials.
Steve Bueche: You likely mentioned thin glass because you're aware that the majority of traditional solar glass is thick and, consequently, heavy. Thin glass is an option.
The earth begs us to make the shift to vehicles like these. We owe it to our living planet and the future generations of all living things to cease dependence on the combustion engine.
At 2:11 the cool shaded gentleman said "there really is no text book or resource out there that can teach us how to do this..." With all due respect, I beg to differ. SunCat Solar, LLC has been doing it for about 30 years and we are not likely the only ones. Please feel free to contact us and discuss. We're nearing retirement and looking for retirement "work".
I think you mis-undestand the entire context of his statement. This is why Aptera has developed IP in addressing some of the issues.That said, it is a great offer. Send them an email!
@@alainchuzel8341 He was talking about matching flexible cells to the curves of the body and making them easy to remove and replace in the case of damage or technical improvements.
@@n.brucenelson5920 Not to be flippant but right. I and others have been doing just that since before the guy in the video was even born and I'm confident it's known so I feel I didn't mis-understand anything in this case.
flexible monocrystalline? put into plexiglass as part of frame? gluing individual hard silicone pv cells and hoping they don't de-laminate seems like a high school approach
@@n.brucenelson5920 Found some recent solar related patent applications. In my quick read of them, there's no explicit discussion of "easy replace-ability". Can you help a guy out here?
Great question! Our goal is to achieve typical automotive grade rock impact protection. Furthermore, we are working to ensure it will be easy and affordable to change out a panel if damaged.
@@ApteraMotors I'm getting more curious about how panels are replaced. Will they be glued (and removed with heating to a high temperature)? Or are they going to mechanically fasten?
@@LawrenceKincheloe i think these are the flexible type panel, which might have enough give, along with a composite base to flex under impact. I'm postulating. Composites themselves are damn near indestructible to anything acute impact other than a gunshot (unless you fork the $$ for kevlar). I have a feeling the panels won't be, but would fair better than it not on a composite base.
@@jlschmugge I actually laughed out loud when I saw which solar cells they were using. There aren't that many companies doing rear electrode, semi flexible solar cells, and I believe the ones in the video are Sunpower cells. You an actually purchase them on Amazon and they are quite nice over all. The interesting thing is how they plan to solder the panels onto the body of the car. Ideally it fully supports the back of the cell, while allowing cooling to remove heat from the surface of the cell. It looks like they are doing a "wrap" with copper being laminated to the body, and the cells being masked off until a semi gloss coating is applied. In it's current iteration, I don't see how replacing a cell is going to work without cutting into the composite.
Likely just cosmetics. If relatively large solar cells are to be used (like the SunPower/Maxeon shown in video), Aptera really should be seriously looking at the trade-offs of having them cut. Historically, with reasonable costs and efficiency, terrestrial based solar cells have only gotten bigger. When I was just a tadpole, I was working with nominally 4" x 4". The norm today is more like 6" x 6". SunPower/Maxeon is a bit of an outlier at 5" x 5" but I believe they have recently been making 6" x 6".
One of the early videos said they could fit more cells diagonally, but I think it is mostly cosmetics. Car makers try to avoid straight horizontal or vertical lines on any hand-made parts, since the eye is very sensitive to deviations on those.
@@joweb1320 And bitcoin is changing their policy towards using green energy because of it..hence bitcoins value swing and nudge towards Dodgecoin. Another factor at play is China doesn’t like digital currencies. They want to be the next currency
There is two trikes I want to see make it into production, and stay there. The Aptera and the Arcimoto. I'm not going to buy one. I just want them to exist, cause they are cool.
Why are the solar cells oriented in the direction they are? It looks like the least efficient use of space, filling basically rectangular spaces with with the squares set at 45 degrees so that loads of space along all 4 sides cannot be used. Is that just for fashion, or is there any practical reason for that? Since efficiency seems to be a core value for Aptera, this has really baffled me.
It would seem Aptera and it's unpaid shills, excuse me, "Brand Ambassadors" THINK the unconventional layout they're using provides some mechanical benefit to the cells (and it's possibly going to be patented to boot!) I'm told the benefit is "less breakage" but then they love to tout how, even when shattered, the cells produce practically the same power. Mind boggling isn't it? Since, at least, 1987, folks well versed in solar cell assembly and encapsulations, have been building/racing compound curved solar arrays that incorporate better "packing density" (more efficient use of space). Just swallow your pride and do it Aptera!
@@justinsenryu7308 I don't think it's deliberate. Just ignorance and pride. I'm metaphorically betting/hoping they come to their senses and reconfigure.
I’m telling you triangular solar cells to fill in the diamonds gaps will almost end the need to Plug in ……. My calculations always come up over 1k watt Solar charging.
To my knowledge, no one makes triangular solar cells in high volumes if at all. That translates to $$$$$$$. Better (cheaper) to cut high volume solar cells into either squares or rectangles and get better packing. I do it all the time for customers.
I took him very seriously. One should judge by the character of one's actions. The fact he is the Solar guy on the Aptera, I wouldn't care if he came out to the interview dressed as Elton John with a boa. The guy has earned his keep, AFAIK. I tip my hat.
Makes sense that the dude with these kinds of shades is the solar cell guru
Makes sense. Seems to live his profession
Upgrade path is an awesome feature. Also, the shades are on point, especially given the dark room work. Folks looked at me funny when I was doing all that night vision calibration stuff, but regular lights just get to you after a while...
I've never been this excited about a car and I'm a car enthusiast
I used to be in middle school and that’s when the Aptera 2e was coming about and I was so excited. Now as an adult I’m even more excited cause it’s much more within my grasp
Same bro
i’m not into cars at all and this car got me into cars ! can’t wait to learn how to repair the aptera on my own ! will be a great learning experience !
Hi Art, we love to hear it! Thanks for the support.
@@bleedingcovenant9495 I am a car enthusiast. But not in a professional way. I am not even technical orientated. Just love driving. But my aim is to be able to repair my Aptera some day. I am already recruiting a highly technical friend of mine to help me when the time comes. Can't wait.
Really excited that the solar panels are looking to be replaceable. I live in a hail prone state and hail damage is one of my biggest worries.
Lawrence, could build tracks between upper and lower panels that guide on inflatable long ballons. yes, hail can destroy your panells
Love that you are building in upgradeability. I still don't know how you are going to do it without making the panels part of the composite lamination, but will look forward to being surprised.
It would be great to have an optional solar panel sun shade also, though with the overhead view you did, when the panels will be collecting the most sun, the dash panels fill the windshield pretty well. In addition to collecting a bit more power, a sun shade would help keep the interior surface temps down (especially with slightly open windows) in comparison to being in contact with direct sunlight though (that whole greenhouse effect thing!) so when preconditioning the interior temps will get lower quicker without having to cool down the interior surfaces like the dash which will continue to radiate.
Your future’s so bright you have to wear shades. Rock it...
Good one!
I'm wondering if those flat lenses have some special purpose related to his need to discern the optical characteristics of the cells he's working with.
@@robertkirchner7981 Nah...it’s his future. It’s so damn bright. BTW, my order was in for the Aptera looong ago. Can’t wait.
@@grizzlymartin1 How looong ago? Just curious.
That exact same song popped into my head.
But I think he might be wearing solar panels. 😜
Having actually usable solar power will separate Aptera from most other EVs. I have selected the full "Never Charge" solar option on my reserved Aptera. I am excited by the idea that my EV will refill the battery back up just sitting in the sun in the parking lot at work, or just sitting parked in my driveway. Potentially, the onboard solar panels could add an extra 280+ miles a week to my car's range from the sun, for free. Solar power is a benefit will add up over time to be a big savings.
I've done rough math, for prices in my area, that compared to a non-solar EV (Tesla model 3 as baseline) I'd save $250 or more a year on my electric bill. That is both a combination of the efficiency in miles per Watt hour and the bonus of free sunlight. I don't have my formula saved, so don't make me do it again, but that's what I came up with. I also drive like 1300 miles a month for work. YMMcertainlyV
@@jlschmugge Smart of you to warn you didn't have any calculus formula saved for your findings. Otherwise you could bet what all the "smart" guys here would be asking you.
@@adimchionyenadum2962 will I guess it's not true I don't have a formula. I basically took the numbers for the Model 3 battery size and kWh/mi usage, used my estimated weekly commute mileage, and factored in cost per Wh my electric utility costs me (about 10.5 cents) to how much that would cost me per week for the Model 3. Then I just did the same for Aptera after 280 free solar miles a week and Aptera's more efficient kWh/mi usage. What I don't actually have anymore is all the numbers that got me to $250 a year. I just remember the final result.
@@jlschmugge Disclaimer: I am not in the math thing. But I guess all those calculations would require some sort of formula other than the everyday Arithmetic. So even though you don't remember the actual numbers anymore you better reveal the formula before the smart guys arrive and start asking all sorts of questions🤣
hundreds of thousands of these cars in US would really help to see a large drop of co2 in the transportation sector, which presently if I am correct, 26% of all co2 emissions. The oil industry will hate it but thats their problem.
Of course the solar guy wears sunglasses inside! :-p
each update getting me more and more excited!
Better presentation than the last one because we could hear the presenter's voice over the background music. Thumbs up.
On a video with 1,343 views there are 75 comments. That means 1 out of every 18 people that watched this actually took the time to leave a comment.
I would love to work with Aptera when it comes to the UK. As a disabled driver I can see this being perfect for chair users.
Future's so bright ....
Upgradeability & fixability of the solar cells is a briliant strategy. Bravo! Hopefully the Battery folks have the same feature in mind.
I have mine reserved. I hope they do a heat pump and deliver on range estimates at highway speeds
I think they will, a lighter and more aerodynamic car should be more efficient at high speeds compared to heavier cars.
How exciting! Aptera's range is tested at the EPA driving cycle with a max speed of 67 mph. With higher speed comes less range but cruising at 65mph is our expectation. We will likely not have a heat pump in our first production vehicles. They are very complex systems and it's a 2 year development effort to get a design implemented.
@@ApteraMotors Heat pump is AC. Are you thinking something else? I was under the impression this will have AC.
@@jlschmugge Sorry about the miscommunication. Aptera will most definitely have AC!
I agree sir. Luckily I live in Southern California where it doesn't get as cold. I will be using the AC more than the heater. By the way, heating an EV might reduce your range by 40% - 50% if they have "combustion" heaters. Heat pumps are better and take less energy from your batteries. So I pray for a heat pump. AC may reduce your range by approximately 20%. This is why the 1kmile range is something I'm interested in although I will paying $10k USD more than the 600 mile range model. That is a lot of money for an extra 400 miles. And these ranges are just for comparison for now. We don't know what the real ranges will be until later. Considering the recommended battery charge range for optimal longevity of your cell phone of between 20% to 80% , I think the 1kmile range will be around 800 miles. I hope I'm wrong.
Really loving everything so far. I saw that you had what looked like a grid you just placed solar panels into, and I'm wondering if a version of that will end up on the final vehicle? If so, would the solar panels connect modularly via contact points between the panel and the grid, or would each solar panel be wired separately? It seems like the contact points would make them easier to replace, or even customize later on.
Love what you are doing. Years ago I wanted to glue solar panels to my 92 Mitsubishi Expo, haha. I think extending the solar panel pattern from the tail forward to the door would increase output and, especially on the white colors, would be a cool looking pattern.
I have the same desire to do road trips where I don't know where I am going or what I am going to be doing. I am currently doing that full time with my two wheeled motorcycle and hoping to do the same with my three wheeled motorcycle, My Aptera ;-)
Thank you ALL for what you are doing!
I take him seriously based on what he says. But I would much prefer seeing someone's eyes and hearing their name. It just gives much more trust and connection. This creates a distance, while Aptera has been doing so well with regards to trying to eliminate that distance.
Those shades look sick bro
Hopefully the car can have 1 or 2 external Zamp or other plugs to add external solar panels for increased charging. Adding additional F
folding or roll up panels would be nice.
Wow yes the ability to bring or have at work some fold out solar panels that can hot plug directly into the battery would be sick!
Once again, I can't wait!
Agreed, the Noir is sexy as hell. On top of that, the solar cells blend in, so I'll be expecting lots of second glances while people try to figure out just what the hell is up with my car. ;P
I hope you'll have a built-in retractable sunshade to shade from the steering wheel backward. If it should be parked in the sun for charging, then every single Aptera driver is going to want/need a sun shade for the cockpit while parked.
Thank you
Omg the shades! 😎
Can I get that color in a running or cycling shade?
This could be interesting to apply in electric aviation. A test in Germany with a small modified wing design model rendered straight 9 days of flying. This may have been made 4 years ago.
Solar on aviation is tricky. Solar Impulse airplane was able to go around with world on solar panels only. It has a wingspan of a 747 yet it weighs like an Aptera, and it can carry only one person. It also flies at 40mph average, pretty slow.
I think the solar modules on Aptera won't produce much power, but they may prove to be an useful addition due to the outstanding efficiency of the car.
@@theagentsmith Yes, there are some issues with power density of solar energy but the same happens with the car. I did mention a 9 day flight but these solar panels can serve as range extenders or as chargers when the plane is not flying (just like with the car). Just like you said it can be an useful addition for systems that are efficient but in fact it could got to aviation right now. There is a need for electric power in a conventional plane anyway a probably the trade-off can be interesting. The difficulties in aviation are probably of the same nature as in the car but only worst in regard to speed and additional in regard to safety.
@@theagentsmith Did the solar airplane have a human pilot? I read somewhere that the trip round the world took a couple of months to complete.
@@adimchionyenadum2962 The airplane Ricardo C mentioned likely was one that did NOT have a human pilot but the one Niccolo Gallarati mention did. There have been numerous solar UAVs. I've personally built custom modules for some and it's a pretty cool "industry". By the way, the Solar Impulse plane is being converted to pilotless! Check out Skydweller Aero. It's a joint Spanish/American business that now has the Solar Impulse plane.
@@alainchuzel8341 So how was Niccolo Gallarati's able to circle the world with a human pilot at just 40mph? How long did that take to complete? Perhaps it wasn't without landing.
Those shades need to be made available in Aptera Marketplace. Noir color.
Bring them to Aptera Brand Ambassador's Group
I wonwder about replacing the converters and power controllers, they get hot and dusty, that's the main power failures when motors are hot causing voltage resistance. Temperature sensors and data of power components make finding any cause of component or connectivity issues a easy fix, when or should a issue arise.
You could incorporate piezoelectric components in those cells to take advantage of those vibrations.
Curved solar panels, flat sunglasses 😎
Will compact electrical power steering motors draw more amps from the battery range?
I have put in my order for a 600 mile AWD with added hatch solar, but now have question: Does hatch solar preclude view out the back? That would be a safety/comfort issue for me and would sadly remove that from order if that was the case, unless some sort of full-time rear view camera compensated for it.
Hopefully Aptera answers this question definitively but in solar car "raycing", full-time rear view camera is quite the norm.
But there is an option for solar panels on the windshield. How about that?
@@adimchionyenadum2962 The panels are on the dash under the windshield.
@@n.brucenelson5920 Okay thanks Bruce. I have always wondered how come?
You will have full visibility of the rear through the rearview camera in the cabin.
Anyone know what kind of sunglasses those are? 😎
More discussion on Reddit at r/Aptera Motors. Can't wait till my full solar. Paradigm model is ready!
Seems like Ascent Solar Technologies, Inc. and SolarWindow Technologies, Inc. might be a really great fit for ya’ll.
Thanks for the suggestion!
@@ApteraMotors Anxiously awaiting the day I can receive my already ordered Aptera. BTW, I live down the road from Ascent; just by coincidence.
I drove out there a few weeks back after I learned this to see what they are up to, but tours not available yet d/t covid, etc.
So I can definitely be a liaison for you if needed. Retiring soon and would enjoy the engagement into a world that gets me out of bed every day. Keep up the good work. No, GREAT work!
SunCat Solar, LLC too. Nearly thirty years experience in innovate/design/build/validate/sell with all solar cell types FOR solar cars with compound curves. Also, a thousand or so special "near space" modules with 0 failures. We're nearing retirement. We really should talk......
What voltage will come out of the solar panels? And what DC to DC converter will you use ?
Ideally something close to the battery pack voltage. More efficient that way. Aptera(?)
@@alainchuzel8341 Around 140 cells on the car in the pictures, so 70V if they all are in series.
Can you please go into more technical detail about what your doing? It would certainly make me feel more excited about the car and make me feel more confident in this cars successful launch.
This is just fun to watch!
Glad you're enjoying these videos, Mike!
Can anyone out there help me find an "official" (or any) video in which Mr. Steve Fambro speaks about' "easy replace-ability" of solar cells on the Aptera?
The biggest problem with solar panels I’ve found is the hazing that takes place over time when covered with resins or plastic. Are there any plans to cover them with a thin resin and maybe a thin plate of glass to prevent this?
Hazing or other optical degradation (within inadequate time-frames) is the result of the WRONG "resin or plastic". There are plenty of resins/plastics that can do the trick for Aptera. One combination that I happen to know someone at Aptera is considering is a type of EVA in intimate contact with the solar cells then a type of ETFE as the "top film". I work with these types of materials practically daily. They are "old school" but well proven over thirty years of use/experience. In the end, however, I doubt that's what will be ultimately on the car because there are "better" materials.
No glass because of the weight. There is some info in the Aptera patent filings.
Steve Bueche: You likely mentioned thin glass because you're aware that the majority of traditional solar glass is thick and, consequently, heavy. Thin glass is an option.
The earth begs us to make the shift to vehicles like these. We owe it to our living planet and the future generations of all living things to cease dependence on the combustion engine.
At 2:11 the cool shaded gentleman said "there really is no text book or resource out there that can teach us how to do this..." With all due respect, I beg to differ. SunCat Solar, LLC has been doing it for about 30 years and we are not likely the only ones. Please feel free to contact us and discuss. We're nearing retirement and looking for retirement "work".
I think you mis-undestand the entire context of his statement. This is why Aptera has developed IP in addressing some of the issues.That said, it is a great offer. Send them an email!
@@n.brucenelson5920 In all seriousness, I'd like to understand the "entire context of his statement" that I may have missed. Please elaborate.
@@alainchuzel8341 He was talking about matching flexible cells to the curves of the body and making them easy to remove and replace in the case of damage or technical improvements.
@@n.brucenelson5920 Not to be flippant but right. I and others have been doing just that since before the guy in the video was even born and I'm confident it's known so I feel I didn't mis-understand anything in this case.
@@alainchuzel8341 Aptera had to develop IP around a practical method to do this.
Where on Aptera's site can I buy those stunner shades?
Have you ever heard of Sono Motors and their Sion, which also has solar cells integradted in the car? Why not having an exchange discussion with them?
I bet impact testing on the nose modules will be interesting. Dump trucks will be gunning for them.
Have you guys considered sourcing your solar panels from manufacturers that don't engage in illegal deforestation of rainforest?
Yes. (I'll elaborate if you do....)
You made two other comments but I can't read them! Can your repeat them after this comment? I dislike RUclips commenting......
Yes the car is awesome
But I want those _shades_
flexible monocrystalline? put into plexiglass as part of frame? gluing individual hard silicone pv cells and hoping they don't de-laminate seems like a high school approach
Aptera has IP around their method of attaching solar cells to be easily replaceable. It would be an especially talented high school, then.
@@n.brucenelson5920 Is their evidence that "Aptera has IP around their method..." or is it simply "aspirational"?
@@alainchuzel8341 You can do a patent search as easily as the next guy and don't have to take my word for it regarding Aptera' s solar cell patents.
@@n.brucenelson5920 Found some recent solar related patent applications. In my quick read of them, there's no explicit discussion of "easy replace-ability". Can you help a guy out here?
@@alainchuzel8341 The claim was explicitly made by Steve Fambro in one of the official videos.
whats the quantum efficiency on those shades
Just has to be that guy that wear a sun glasses inside lol
How are these cells going to hold up to a hail storm?
Great question! Our goal is to achieve typical automotive grade rock impact protection. Furthermore, we are working to ensure it will be easy and affordable to change out a panel if damaged.
@@ApteraMotors I'm getting more curious about how panels are replaced. Will they be glued (and removed with heating to a high temperature)? Or are they going to mechanically fasten?
Does anything hold up in a hail storm on a normal car? At least they're replaceable.
@@LawrenceKincheloe i think these are the flexible type panel, which might have enough give, along with a composite base to flex under impact. I'm postulating. Composites themselves are damn near indestructible to anything acute impact other than a gunshot (unless you fork the $$ for kevlar). I have a feeling the panels won't be, but would fair better than it not on a composite base.
@@jlschmugge I actually laughed out loud when I saw which solar cells they were using. There aren't that many companies doing rear electrode, semi flexible solar cells, and I believe the ones in the video are Sunpower cells. You an actually purchase them on Amazon and they are quite nice over all. The interesting thing is how they plan to solder the panels onto the body of the car. Ideally it fully supports the back of the cell, while allowing cooling to remove heat from the surface of the cell. It looks like they are doing a "wrap" with copper being laminated to the body, and the cells being masked off until a semi gloss coating is applied. In it's current iteration, I don't see how replacing a cell is going to work without cutting into the composite.
They edited the video to avoid including or having him say his name (nor is it written in their About section)... why is that?
All you have to do is look at the comment section to see a possible reason why.
@@n.brucenelson5920 Solar guy is living in the shade.
Why are the solar place diagonal instead of straight?
Likely just cosmetics. If relatively large solar cells are to be used (like the SunPower/Maxeon shown in video), Aptera really should be seriously looking at the trade-offs of having them cut. Historically, with reasonable costs and efficiency, terrestrial based solar cells have only gotten bigger. When I was just a tadpole, I was working with nominally 4" x 4". The norm today is more like 6" x 6". SunPower/Maxeon is a bit of an outlier at 5" x 5" but I believe they have recently been making 6" x 6".
One of the early videos said they could fit more cells diagonally, but I think it is mostly cosmetics. Car makers try to avoid straight horizontal or vertical lines on any hand-made parts, since the eye is very sensitive to deviations on those.
Why the shades? Is he baked?
Maybe too much work in the sun.
Shy!
The panels are likely baked onto the laminate and as part of a designers course of action one must become one with the concept and therefore...
@@fanfare100 This I'd expect, but they say they are upgradeable. So unless we are replacing the whole top half of the monocoque...
You people are cruel, watch it again and you will notice his seeing eye dog. Be nice.
Bro. What's your name? You didn't even introduce yourself and there was no text box showing your name either. Good work btw.
I like that the solar cells are replaceable. Hoping Aptera reconsiders taking Bitcoin because of all the fossil fuels used to power it.
Damn I didn’t know they were doing that. Hope so too.
@@Palbizu It's kind of like supporting the coal/oil/gas industries, the same your products are working against.
Elon’s on Bitcoin for that reason. He can swing that coins value again if they don’t.
@@richardgarlick3861 Tesla no longer accepts Bitcoin because of the huge carbon footprint.
@@joweb1320 And bitcoin is changing their policy towards using green energy because of it..hence bitcoins value swing and nudge towards Dodgecoin. Another factor at play is China doesn’t like digital currencies. They want to be the next currency
Gr8
Them Justin Bieber shades are cool, most advanced engineers should also wear these.
There is two trikes I want to see make it into production, and stay there. The Aptera and the Arcimoto. I'm not going to buy one. I just want them to exist, cause they are cool.
Why are the solar cells oriented in the direction they are? It looks like the least efficient use of space, filling basically rectangular spaces with with the squares set at 45 degrees so that loads of space along all 4 sides cannot be used. Is that just for fashion, or is there any practical reason for that? Since efficiency seems to be a core value for Aptera, this has really baffled me.
It would seem Aptera and it's unpaid shills, excuse me, "Brand Ambassadors" THINK the unconventional layout they're using provides some mechanical benefit to the cells (and it's possibly going to be patented to boot!) I'm told the benefit is "less breakage" but then they love to tout how, even when shattered, the cells produce practically the same power. Mind boggling isn't it?
Since, at least, 1987, folks well versed in solar cell assembly and encapsulations, have been building/racing compound curved solar arrays that incorporate better "packing density" (more efficient use of space). Just swallow your pride and do it Aptera!
@@alainchuzel8341 How very odd. It really does make it look like they are deliberately trying to *minimise* the number of solar cells they can fit.
@@justinsenryu7308 I don't think it's deliberate. Just ignorance and pride. I'm metaphorically betting/hoping they come to their senses and reconfigure.
3: 00 club guy hehe
This guy IS a solar cell
I had so much hope on aptera but after looking at this guy giving interview with shades on, it has all shattered.
It is very woke to put a blind guy in charge of solar!
There might be more of a market for this vehicle, if it looked more conventional
This is a great example of form follows function design. Some of us find this beautiful, as do our pocketbooks.
👌👌👍👍👍👏👏🙌
What are thooooooooose?
I’m telling you triangular solar cells to fill in the diamonds gaps will almost end the need to Plug in ……. My calculations always come up over 1k watt Solar charging.
The capacity of the present design is about 750 peak watts, or around 4.4 kWh per day in San Diego.
To my knowledge, no one makes triangular solar cells in high volumes if at all. That translates to $$$$$$$. Better (cheaper) to cut high volume solar cells into either squares or rectangles and get better packing. I do it all the time for customers.
I’m just saying it can be improved. I believe 1000 watts ++ can be achieved.
@@jpo7091 Don't you believe that a lower cost improvement is better?
Fancy shades.
*Bright* thoughts from *SLIM SHADY*
le me waiting for the give away
Bruh....with the glasses?
Loose those glasses, people won’t take you seriously.
I took him very seriously. One should judge by the character of one's actions. The fact he is the Solar guy on the Aptera, I wouldn't care if he came out to the interview dressed as Elton John with a boa. The guy has earned his keep, AFAIK. I tip my hat.
I take him seriously based on what he says. But I would much prefer seeing someone's eyes and hearing their name. It just gives much more trust.
He's already too gorgeous, needed to keep people concentrated on solar cells.
Colored glasses VERY put of fish, Why ??????
*Aptera= a black hole into which one can toss money but realistically expecting NOTHING!*