You guys seem to be waging a constant battle against show length creep, with lots of apologies and promises to keep things short. Honestly, one of the things I find most engaging about the podcast is that same nerdy enthusiasm that's always leading you off onto tangents or unscripted discussions and therefore adding to the podcast length. It feels like you're both genuinely interested and curious and actually care about what you're talking about, and I get more out of that than I would a strict time limit. Obviously you have to make decisions about what's right for your workload or the majority of your audience or whatever, but it's worth considering that the longer podcast might in some ways be a feature, and not a bug.
@@greglnuckols Greg. Don’t put less on the outline. Just say stuff once and cover more. You guys say the same thing over and over in different ways. If you didn’t repeat yourselves so much you’d be able to cover more. You guys are awesome. I’m just being greedy and want more topics per podcast. Your audience is smart. They don’t need repetition to understand. That said if you keep repeating stuff in your long-winded style I’ll still keep listening. You guys are hilarious. And brilliant.
I think the recent change to short clips at first and full length episode later is the best of both worlds. It allows for even more interesting tangents and content each week and then that produces even more short clips to add kindling to the fire. Nothing wrong with some discipline, as Greg says, but with the clips approach it seems to make the extended length a "feature not a bug".
Love the intro, will be trimmed to 45 minutes, 90 minutes later 😆 Love the show and completely ok with it going longer, listen to it while walking and keeps me well entertained.
1:04:26 I'm trying to imagine a BMI of 26, but that seems sort of standard to me. Isn't the outrage focused at covers promoting obesity and the community of the people that pressure people to accept that as beautiful and healthy or remain silent? While at the same time, attacking and shaming people with a fit body because they see it as offensive/as a personal attack on anyone that isn't fit? That's my understanding of the situation over there at the moment.
On plyometrics, 1 legged squats have a lot of additional weight than a new person would have previously lifted, then consider jumping off one leg, then consider sprinting up a sand dune, for beginners and early intermediates that is a lot of load. One armed pushups for chest and vertical presses in replacement of overhead press, dips for triceps, for abs just see a core/ab training classes they just put your abs in a strong disadvantage.
I would imagine there would be a neuromuscular adaptation component to plyometrics from the rapid concentric and eccentric elements. Also rapid succession of bouncing over multiple plyo boxes especially when you do the single leg variety for a couple sets will have you wobbly.
I’m so impressed that knuckles even knows who Wittgenstein is. I hope that more of philosophy makes it way into the lifting space, I think that analysis of scientific evidence is always done under a philosophical lens, so it’s good to have a bearing.
I'll readily admit that I don't read as much philosophy as I used to, but my interpretation of the literature IS pretty heavily influenced by philosophy of science. "What is this thing called science" by Chalmers is a great introductory book, if you're interested.
Regarding Greg’s comment on Wittgenstein, this was a reference to “ if a lion could speak we could speak we could not understand him” The idea being to foreshadow Trexlers absurdist discussion of “eating less without intentional restraint”. These are expanding depths in the stronger by science cinematic universe. I r8 8/8
Would be fun to have a complicated study on sauna (possibly accompanied with freezing shower) if it does the same for general population as it does for me: falling asleep easier (I often have sleep issues so godsent), less sore the next day, much less stressed and tired the next day. One common sense check I'd do with sauna is the following: there is a pretty decent amount of top athletes in various sports from Finland (the ratio to the population for example, but in some sports just in absolute numbers), not the least in ice hockey (almost every team in NHL had at least one finn this season, some multiple). I think there's also been a couple of weightlifters and powerlifters competing internationally, not at the top but still decent numbers. Now if sauna hurts recovery and training adaptations and many of these athletes really like sauna (it is also common to have sauna nights with team), how come there are still surprisingly many high level athletes? You could object with how Finland is rather set up as a society to create high level athletes compared to some other countries where your resources are sparse even if you were genetically gifted and skillful. You could also claim that finnish people have genetically special pool, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Either finns are very tolerant to sauna, finns have advantage from society or sauna doesn't meaningfully hurt recovery and adaptations. I recall the only thing that kept Teemu Selänne playing the last season of his in NHL was the hot&freezing bath treatment after every match. I would think that's very similar to sauna and cold shower and if that's what they do at top paid athlete treatment, they must have some good anecdotal experiences with it. I feel like there should be something like evolutionary reasoning in rationalist perspective as well when you gauge things. Like you could claim that it makes sense to grow muscle when you need it, like in plyometrics. Your body almost has to adapt to that reoccuring activity somehow if it's beneficial for surviving (say food hunting requires jumps, throws etc). And not just in the endurance sense, but powerful jumps or throws to reach certain performance. Like imagine humans having to lift rocks and do squats while holding rocks just so they could hunt food more effectively. So you might say that we should investigate that more, if it does hold true and what mechanisms would do that. Often times it seems like these things would make sense in evolutionary perspective, but it might just be hindsight. I gotta say, if we all could be a little more like Trexler in thinking about others and communicating with others, we would be better people. A person like me is way too focused on own experiences and own ideas to be mindful of the perspective of the other person, how they experience things. Like yeah perhaps working out and/or losing fat was great for me (because I did it when I was ready to pursue it unpromptedly), improving nutrition etc, but maybe hearing about it and getting it recommended doesn't make a positive reflection or motivation in the other person. Maybe it does, but maybe they are just curious to talk about food and not hear an opinionated take on it.
I think intuitive eating is simply a strategy. I also think intuitive eating is what people that have learned to track, try to do in an attempt to eat “normally” again. And it's a strategy that will probably thrive best in a food environment that doesn't have much processed / calorically dense foods. And with people that aren't predispositioned to emotional eating. Poor environments and emotional eaters will probably struggle without a really good plan.
So if we assume plyometrics cause hypertrophy through a different mechanism is it possible that and experienced lifter with little experience with plyometrics could stand to gain from adding plyometrics as a novel form of stimulus. Also would a study to answer that question even be practical to carry out.
on the plyometrics, at least for untrained to moderately trained people I'd think its a lot easier to get high CNS activation of more musculature in the legs than with most traditional resistance training methods? generally people don't have to think so much or have mental self preservation barriers with jumping and can more readily produce close to the maximum force they are capable of? more stimulus vs. stimulus of more? no answers, just more hypotheses Enjoy the podcast, keep up the good work _b
This is a podcast about fitness. It is expected that you get content on getting thinner or more muscular. People can be fat or whatever, so what? Why do you need to basically show that you are ok with people being fat? Who cares? Please stop with the virtue signaling. Don't destroy what you've created.
It's our show, and we fully reserve the right to share our opinions on it. We figured some people wouldn't share our opinion on this particular topic, and we don't particularly care.
in more sincerity than my screen name indicates nothing I got from what you said gave me the idea “the brand and pod is basically okay with people being fat” More “ Your body fat doesn’t reflect your innate worth or autonomy to equitable treatment to similar lifestyle choices” Edited out unneeded auto-tag, but I think trexler pretty clearly ruled out seeing norms around weight being a dichotomy. Commenting as someone who’s a literal average BMI this seemed like a really even handed take for a fitness pod.
@@greglnuckols that's funny, because I do share your opinion. I just don't see the point of bringing that up on a science based fitness podcast, because it sounds like pure and simple virtue signaling.
@@ninuhkiduh4690 it was a direct answer to a question we were asked. Our options were to either ignore the question, answer it the way we did (i.e. honestly), or just lie.
The body positivity and HAES movement is as much about telling other people to change their views and standards about what is healthy and beautiful. That is the nefarious part. That is why someone like Jordan Peterson is objecting to the SI Swimsuit issue.
That kind of proves his point of it being a perfect microcosm of generic Americana, which one can argue is an unique culture when contrasted to the unique characteristics of other areas.
Be careful with the "I only joke about weight if I'm the fattest guy in the room", because as you are on the road to the stage, you will forget that you aren't as big as you used to be and it quickly goes from jovial self-deprecating humor to perceived fat shaming. I may or may not have offended a few people after I lost 100+ pounds after being heavy most of my life.
You guys seem to be waging a constant battle against show length creep, with lots of apologies and promises to keep things short.
Honestly, one of the things I find most engaging about the podcast is that same nerdy enthusiasm that's always leading you off onto tangents or unscripted discussions and therefore adding to the podcast length. It feels like you're both genuinely interested and curious and actually care about what you're talking about, and I get more out of that than I would a strict time limit.
Obviously you have to make decisions about what's right for your workload or the majority of your audience or whatever, but it's worth considering that the longer podcast might in some ways be a feature, and not a bug.
I would assume the shorter length is for their benefit, not yours.
I don't think our general approach will change. We just need to be more disciplined about putting less on the outline.
@@greglnuckols Greg. Don’t put less on the outline. Just say stuff once and cover more. You guys say the same thing over and over in different ways. If you didn’t repeat yourselves so much you’d be able to cover more. You guys are awesome. I’m just being greedy and want more topics per podcast. Your audience is smart. They don’t need repetition to understand. That said if you keep repeating stuff in your long-winded style I’ll still keep listening. You guys are hilarious. And brilliant.
I think the recent change to short clips at first and full length episode later is the best of both worlds. It allows for even more interesting tangents and content each week and then that produces even more short clips to add kindling to the fire.
Nothing wrong with some discipline, as Greg says, but with the clips approach it seems to make the extended length a "feature not a bug".
41:35 Jim Stoppani had no idea how much of a legend he would become that fated day he did explosive biceps curls.
That really will be his greatest cultural legacy
The only show that really matters!!!
This podcast could be 4 hours long and I would love it. Never apologize for going over time!
Love the intro, will be trimmed to 45 minutes, 90 minutes later 😆
Love the show and completely ok with it going longer, listen to it while walking and keeps me well entertained.
Damn, Greg looks LEAN!!!! He came a long way💪💪
1:04:26 I'm trying to imagine a BMI of 26, but that seems sort of standard to me.
Isn't the outrage focused at covers promoting obesity and the community of the people that pressure people to accept that as beautiful and healthy or remain silent? While at the same time, attacking and shaming people with a fit body because they see it as offensive/as a personal attack on anyone that isn't fit?
That's my understanding of the situation over there at the moment.
On plyometrics, 1 legged squats have a lot of additional weight than a new person would have previously lifted, then consider jumping off one leg, then consider sprinting up a sand dune, for beginners and early intermediates that is a lot of load.
One armed pushups for chest and vertical presses in replacement of overhead press, dips for triceps, for abs just see a core/ab training classes they just put your abs in a strong disadvantage.
that was a great yarn about health at every size, hidden behind "intuitive eating" haha. Nice one. Straight up changed my opinion on the topic.
How do I get a sick MacroFactor cap to hide my rapidly receding hairline?
I would imagine there would be a neuromuscular adaptation component to plyometrics from the rapid concentric and eccentric elements. Also rapid succession of bouncing over multiple plyo boxes especially when you do the single leg variety for a couple sets will have you wobbly.
My favourite super hero duo. Another great episode 👍
I’m so impressed that knuckles even knows who Wittgenstein is. I hope that more of philosophy makes it way into the lifting space, I think that analysis of scientific evidence is always done under a philosophical lens, so it’s good to have a bearing.
If only you knew who Nuckols was. ;)
I'll readily admit that I don't read as much philosophy as I used to, but my interpretation of the literature IS pretty heavily influenced by philosophy of science. "What is this thing called science" by Chalmers is a great introductory book, if you're interested.
Great stuff as always - wouldlove some graphics about what you discuss as well :D
Regarding Greg’s comment on Wittgenstein, this was a reference to “ if a lion could speak we could speak we could not understand him”
The idea being to foreshadow Trexlers absurdist discussion of “eating less without intentional restraint”.
These are expanding depths in the stronger by science cinematic universe.
I r8 8/8
Would be fun to have a complicated study on sauna (possibly accompanied with freezing shower) if it does the same for general population as it does for me: falling asleep easier (I often have sleep issues so godsent), less sore the next day, much less stressed and tired the next day.
One common sense check I'd do with sauna is the following: there is a pretty decent amount of top athletes in various sports from Finland (the ratio to the population for example, but in some sports just in absolute numbers), not the least in ice hockey (almost every team in NHL had at least one finn this season, some multiple). I think there's also been a couple of weightlifters and powerlifters competing internationally, not at the top but still decent numbers. Now if sauna hurts recovery and training adaptations and many of these athletes really like sauna (it is also common to have sauna nights with team), how come there are still surprisingly many high level athletes? You could object with how Finland is rather set up as a society to create high level athletes compared to some other countries where your resources are sparse even if you were genetically gifted and skillful. You could also claim that finnish people have genetically special pool, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Either finns are very tolerant to sauna, finns have advantage from society or sauna doesn't meaningfully hurt recovery and adaptations.
I recall the only thing that kept Teemu Selänne playing the last season of his in NHL was the hot&freezing bath treatment after every match. I would think that's very similar to sauna and cold shower and if that's what they do at top paid athlete treatment, they must have some good anecdotal experiences with it.
I feel like there should be something like evolutionary reasoning in rationalist perspective as well when you gauge things. Like you could claim that it makes sense to grow muscle when you need it, like in plyometrics. Your body almost has to adapt to that reoccuring activity somehow if it's beneficial for surviving (say food hunting requires jumps, throws etc). And not just in the endurance sense, but powerful jumps or throws to reach certain performance. Like imagine humans having to lift rocks and do squats while holding rocks just so they could hunt food more effectively. So you might say that we should investigate that more, if it does hold true and what mechanisms would do that. Often times it seems like these things would make sense in evolutionary perspective, but it might just be hindsight.
I gotta say, if we all could be a little more like Trexler in thinking about others and communicating with others, we would be better people. A person like me is way too focused on own experiences and own ideas to be mindful of the perspective of the other person, how they experience things. Like yeah perhaps working out and/or losing fat was great for me (because I did it when I was ready to pursue it unpromptedly), improving nutrition etc, but maybe hearing about it and getting it recommended doesn't make a positive reflection or motivation in the other person. Maybe it does, but maybe they are just curious to talk about food and not hear an opinionated take on it.
Branch Warren did plyometrics for every muscle group his entire career
I lol'd
I think intuitive eating is simply a strategy.
I also think intuitive eating is what people that have learned to track, try to do in an attempt to eat “normally” again.
And it's a strategy that will probably thrive best in a food environment that doesn't have much processed / calorically dense foods. And with people that aren't predispositioned to emotional eating.
Poor environments and emotional eaters will probably struggle without a really good plan.
Now would the velocity of the concentric phase have an impact on hypertrophy benefits?
So if we assume plyometrics cause hypertrophy through a different mechanism is it possible that and experienced lifter with little experience with plyometrics could stand to gain from adding plyometrics as a novel form of stimulus. Also would a study to answer that question even be practical to carry out.
on the plyometrics, at least for untrained to moderately trained people I'd think its a lot easier to get high CNS activation of more musculature in the legs than with most traditional resistance training methods? generally people don't have to think so much or have mental self preservation barriers with jumping and can more readily produce close to the maximum force they are capable of? more stimulus vs. stimulus of more? no answers, just more hypotheses
Enjoy the podcast, keep up the good work _b
as a current 2.5x video speed enjoyer, I would prefer your episodes to not be shorter pls :(
you can’t even do 2.5x
@@angelvenegas6143 yes with a browser extension
Dry or wet/steam sauna???
This is a podcast about fitness. It is expected that you get content on getting thinner or more muscular. People can be fat or whatever, so what? Why do you need to basically show that you are ok with people being fat? Who cares? Please stop with the virtue signaling. Don't destroy what you've created.
It's our show, and we fully reserve the right to share our opinions on it. We figured some people wouldn't share our opinion on this particular topic, and we don't particularly care.
in more sincerity than my screen name indicates nothing I got from what you said gave me the idea “the brand and pod is basically okay with people being fat”
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“ Your body fat doesn’t reflect your innate worth or autonomy to equitable treatment to similar lifestyle choices”
Edited out unneeded auto-tag, but I think trexler pretty clearly ruled out seeing norms around weight being a dichotomy.
Commenting as someone who’s a literal average BMI this seemed like a really even handed take for a fitness pod.
@@greglnuckols that's funny, because I do share your opinion. I just don't see the point of bringing that up on a science based fitness podcast, because it sounds like pure and simple virtue signaling.
@@ninuhkiduh4690 it was a direct answer to a question we were asked. Our options were to either ignore the question, answer it the way we did (i.e. honestly), or just lie.
How does Eric don’t know who Wittgenstein is?
Where can I get the MF hat?
The body positivity and HAES movement is as much about telling other people to change their views and standards about what is healthy and beautiful. That is the nefarious part. That is why someone like Jordan Peterson is objecting to the SI Swimsuit issue.
For the algorithm
I'm appreciate you two pointing out that most people in fitness strawman the shit our of the health at every size movement
Isn't Ohio the home of the Rock-N-Roll HoF? NFL HoF? IFBB? Arnold Classic? No culture, you say?!?!?
That kind of proves his point of it being a perfect microcosm of generic Americana, which one can argue is an unique culture when contrasted to the unique characteristics of other areas.
Be careful with the "I only joke about weight if I'm the fattest guy in the room", because as you are on the road to the stage, you will forget that you aren't as big as you used to be and it quickly goes from jovial self-deprecating humor to perceived fat shaming. I may or may not have offended a few people after I lost 100+ pounds after being heavy most of my life.