Love this. Thank you! One suggestion is to make is easier for people to tell visually which class you are talking about. Some names on the square boxes are hard to read.
I've just returned to Maplestory SEA back last week, and watching all these new things from you. I, thank you from the bottom of my heart for helping me understand the game I once held dear and would like to re-experience the good ol' MMORPG back in the days where I can be a child. Thank you Coppersan. To everyone else, Happy Mapling!
11:45 Dawn warrior actually got massive damage improvements from the destiny patch; they got 10% more final damage for free as a passive. Their main bossing skill Rift of Damnation got a 15% reduced action delay (which is huge for dawn warrior) + it now scales with their styx trinode in 5th job. Overall the class actually saw roughly a 20-30% FD boost from the destiny patch! My 40sec BA went from ~22b to 31.3b.
As someone with 6 bossing mules up to Lomien, Jett is 100% A or S class, even after Destiny. Bossing is so smooth that you won't even need s because of the insane mobility
damn for real? i've always heard that jett's are trash with all due respect, that's all i've always heard but i've never played it myself so i can't tell for sure honestly
Well it probably feels good because you’re probably over 8k legion and have lv3 link skills. A new player playing Jett will suffer tremendously and struggle with even mobbing past 200. Classes like I/L are insanely good mobber stepping into 4th job vs where Jett has to struggle. That’s the diff between S tier and C tier. Also any class after 250 is most likely nuts. NL burst at 250 can burst lomien in one cd. (Hell I’ve seen a 260 NL burst chaos dusk to 40% in one cd timers) Pally level 250 legit hits like a freight train and does not take a single point of dmg. Hayato being super mobile and spamming 5th job skills. Etc etc. even blaster has one of the higher dpms even now and is at C tier but at 250 they probably do as much as a f/p
definitely agree with the auto things. avenger swords, evans debris etc. its just so annoying to constantly have to recast it every 3-4 seconds while you got revamped classes that just have a on/off toggle like bats stars and etc
Shields also do like x10 the damage of bats/stars. And attack 10times instead of the usual 2-3. I don’t think they could ever make them a toggle with the current numbers. Also as a DA main I don’t want them to make it a toggle, it’s the only thing that we really have to micro manage and without it DA basically becomes just as easy to play as Shade..
im pretty sure evan mains do not want their debris to be automatic. Debris has one job and one job only (charging radiance). If you make it auto, it would negatively effect its ability to do that one job. That being said, i think everything should have the option to be auto (via right clicking it like ark’s spell bullets). There’s some use cases where im sure people like the manual control like shadower’s mesos for mobbing.
@@mZStarCraft ppl who don't play the class thinking toggle would magically fix everything for shields is hilarious. The idle time and inconsistent tracking range would still persist so the toggle would fix almost nothing that actually matters, especially considering seasoned DA mains don't miss their shield casts so it wouldn't even be a noticeable qol for them. I swear It's always the non mains complaining about shield management.
As a Phantom main who usually can out-DPS every one in my bossing parties, I think it's probably deserving of a higher rank.... Cross Surge + Final Cut and 100% crit rate + Carte Noir make for excellent damage output while bossing, and can swap Final Cut for Lightning Chain or Cannon Barrage (whatever the skills are called) for great mobbing potential.
as an ex phantom main can agree its super underrated. considering phantom has so much mobility + s they can easily stick to a boss making their damage uptime insane. not to mention phantom skill stealing is very handy for adaptability
@@lumishape2771 plus the damage burst potential is insane, stacking a bunch of damage multipliers and unleashing a flurry of cards. At 253 I can easily burst CRA, Hmag, etc.
I Love how the dynamics of the game change completely if you're funded. Like Night Lord, his skill hit 8 mobs I think, but if you have marks one hit killing you can actually kill like 17 or 18 mobs per hit. Kinesis is another one, that skill when you press psy grab + up arrow can kill the entire map, and you can spam it.
As a Kinesis main, yea I do agree after the ignition update we have less things to manage in boss which is good, but still, PP is always a little annoying to manage in bossing :x
Super new to this, is the game super pay to play or what? I honestly don't know much about the game, but funding seems to be a major point of discussion in this community.
I remember getting Aran as my first 210 and loving it. But the range was such a big problem for me so I switched to Angelic Buster which I have at 251 now
I don't know how I ended up on this video. I played MS in 2007-2009ish and had a Bucaneer level 142. I'm seriously considering trying it out again during spare time
As a Kinesis main (currently), I agree with the A grade you gave him, although I believe he does excel at mobbing after V, with his psychic bullet. But it's not enough to put him at S grade, because his bossing requires more funding and is high effort but not so high reward. Thanks for the tier list!
As a former Phantom main, I understand and agree with all the problems, but I will always be sad whenever he's called terrible ;_; The badass Legendary Phantom needs some proper love by the devs. The fact that he's in the same tier as Jett is absolutely atrocious.
I hope we can get a Heroes Revamp one day, especially since Phantom is and will forever be one of my favorite characters. It hurts to see how far he fell off, there were even times where they straight up left their Skills buggy with missing and extra SP. On a side note, I would love to see the Hero stories updated like with Voice Acting. And uhh, if they need an English VA for Evan... I may know someone who did their voice in a fandub 👀
Doesn't Evan already have an English VA? I do kinda wish they had a English VA for Mir though, I remember grinding him out and thought it was super weird for him to keep talking to Mir, only for Mir to be completely silent. To be honest I thought the Cygnus Knight revamp/remaster was really out of place given that there are plenty of classes that are even older than the original Cygnus Knight revamp, and outside of Blaze Wizard, none of them really needed a revamp, just some numbers changes. The later heroes classes and early nova classes could really get some attention, since all of them are feeling fairly clunky and out of place now.
With how the cygnus remaster turned out, I'm kind of afraid of a Heroes revamp. There is a reason why the Heroes have the oldest, non-revamped jobs (Merc onwards) but still deeply loved to this day. Resistance needs it more than us honestly. I'm also primarily afraid of how they'll mess up the story. Tons of opportunities to create loopholes there if they end up touching the lore.
cadena main here you can animation cancel by just pressing "skill > attack button > skill" without pursuit which is way easier also their mobbing gets easier (on the hands) when you're funded (your summons and auto attack one hits everything)
i enjoy the variety of classes in maplestory but also because of the legion/link skill gameplay loop the frustration of certain classes requiring way more practice (mercedes, cadena, for instance) becomes waaaaaay harsher. like i love cadena and merc but they aren't for everyone, but leveling merc is like 100% essential for progressing your character because of her link skill being so strong.
Battle Mage is genuinely one of the most well balanced classes in the game. Easily doable solo and they provide tons of party boosts. They have arguably the best 5th job skills in the game. A tier at worst.
As a Phantom main since his release. I'm sad he isnt getting as much love as most other classes. Not being able to steal shadow partner is understandable but would be amazing. Shadow Partner combined with Chain lightning would be fun. Or just locking it to theif skills would make showdown a better skill to steal.
The only issue with having Shadow Partner would be that it basically becomes required meta for Phantom no matter how you cut it. Nerfed dmg, nerfed skill compatibility, etc would still make it meta.
stop, don’t do that. The community does what you just did too often and it’s why nexon does what they do. No, it isn’t understandable. First of all it’s a PVE game. Second of all, phantom is far from OP, stealing SP might would help alot.
Hi Coppersan! I always watch the vids and my wife and I would like to return to Maple after a long hiatus! I was wondering can we come back to MapleStory as casual maplers with minimum spending (I don't mind spending +/- $50/week or so. Just didn't want to go crazy.) I'm kind of daunted by cubing to do higher level content, tbh.
giving mech's missles auto mode would do alot more harm then good for them. the missles can fire extremely fast and require no attack speed upgrades and their damage output is solid. the missles are the real main attacking skills mechs have,not the AP/salvo, and the moment they're treated as such the better the gameplay becomes. by giving auto mode it would just bind their firing speed to the AP/salvos, and that would simply nerf the HELL out of them
i've played page/wk from 05 after i found KMS video's with Paladin's cleaning house on boss raids. been in love ever since. this update feels like it could be the paladin redepmtion arc
as an Evan main it is almost a chore to maintain your fusion skills and you just rely on SO much for high damage output. Their bossing pretty damn good, but post-destiny their mobility is definitely a much appreciated change as well as bit of damage boosts to a couple of their nodes, mainly radiance and wyrm king breath. They also do not have a ton of skills that passively or actively boost their damage which is the fusion skills are so important them. I still haven't even gotten used to animation cancelling. Definitely a class with a steep learning curve (not as bad as Cadena from what I heard though).
What other changes are Demon Avenger receiving in the future? The ones they got in Destiny are pretty nice, but those other changes the vid mentioned intrigued me.
Hi there! Last I played the game was in 2017 and I was not playing on classic but the new servers where you cannot trade. I was also fighting magnus at that time because I think he was the endgame boss? May I please ask what has changed? I really want to play this game again but I’m intimidated because I have no idea what anything is anymore
14:25 I SAID THE SAME THING. If phantom could get shadow partner I think he would still be pretty balanced. Also Phantom is the only thief class to not have a form of shadow partner.
I don't know which one's technically the best, but I do like mobbing with Lara. You just skip around and activate veins that do all the work for you. Water vein feels weak compared to the other two, but it's not painfully weak or anything. It just doesn't have the huge vertical reach of wind or the instant activation of fire.
Bowmaster will always be the comfy grinder once kitted out fully at 5th job. I will always suggest this with Bowmaster: Do not expect a lot, nothing too flashy. But work with it like playing a new instrument. By the time you get to 5th job, unlock enough node slots for the fully kit? It's a symphony within itself. :D Sincerely, Rocs - UE/UA BM main.
@@AidedStunBreak its not. No UA is worth the time unless they revamp it. BM is nice but I was really hoping they would give us a whole new mobbing skill in destiny. Arrow stream is a huge turn off. Bring back arrow rain.
Lara is actually very strong. Outdamages Hero easy without funding. I'm curious why you think Explorers are so good because my Hero has to hit mobs 3/4 times more than my Lara (no funding). I was playing with a friend and he played as Adele. It was really frustrating because he was leveling a lot faster so i decided to quit my Hero due to lack of damage output.
They shouldn't let region-specific classes be created if they're not going to bother with balancing or updating them. It shows no respect for the players who choose to main play those classes because they enjoy them.
Former Xenon main here. Xenon is one of the best mobbers in the game, and when i say the one of the best i mean like top 5. i guess without frenzie it might not be as good. It requires a lot less funding than many classes to be a good mobber, but it's also a very active mobber for it's best rates. It's bossing is pretty decent, has 2 i-frames, class bind, loaded dice gets both thief and pirate 5th job skills. with the 5th job skills i agree photon ray is pretty bad, but fusion field and omega blaster are amazing. Core overload is a crazy good buff, but it's a bit inconvinient unless you use it as you start charging omegablaster. Xenon is a very underrated class.
Can someone help me out! How many Tera burning characters can we have during this event? Currently reached level 200 on Adele and received a Tera burning effect which can be used on another character…so if I use that on say dual blade & reach level 200 do I get another and so forth?
You get three total. You get one creating a character, one from getting level 200 and receiving it, and one from the explorer revamp event quest(I think that's what it was?) that you can receive any time and transfer to a different character through storage.
When i started kaiser 6 years ago, the combo mechanics was the best cause starting a new account and not having other characters to depend on for mesos/ potions, that was the go to heal yourself and not use potions, but of course it got nexon'd, they did kaiser dirty
Shade doesn't really need funding. I'm a fundless Shade and my damage output is pretty high. The class has a tempo that you need to figure out to maximize damage output. A rhythm to playing that's not really considered, but makes a huge difference.
Since I switched from Luminous to NL as main, I can only say mobbing is actually fun now with bigger hitboxes with NL Else not much changed in my opinion, bossing feels the same with like the very same speed but mobbing definetly approved
wild hunters are fun but holy moly they cannot kill lucid. half their damage is locked behind a debuff mechanic that also relies on cooldowns. On singular bosses that is fine. on the constant barrage of golems, it's impossible!
Sorry but Hayato must be on the S tier, and Kaiser must be between A and S, point is, Hayato has regen for every critical damage deal, make bossing is like having a fake BOD which your HP is almost always full, but ofcourse Shensoku is stronger than Phantom as well as triggering final attack with high damage, low funding can still reach to more than 10m range with full Iaijutsu phantom blade buff, 2 s, and FMA is 99% up time for lazy and relax grinding. As for Kaiser, most of the problem that is mostly about tempest blade and nova guardian targetting has been fixed, they will focus on the boss monster to deal the maximum damage, so why it's on the lower tier, we were always above average.
lmao phantom is actually very good atm, oneshotting mobs is not even a parameter for job balance, any class can easily kill a arcane river mob with minimal funding
Bro my shadower was already 200 before the new update and i dont have the Slash shadow thing skill like wtf, do i have to spend a lot of money on nodes or what?
Some of the B tiers are down there because they are too much effort for too little reward/damage. i'm just glad Mercedes got a damage boost from Destiny :D
So by that, you mean it requires more funding before it can do that? That's kinda sad. A lot of the other class doesn't need as much when I played it...
I feel Kanna should be in A tier. She definitely got nerfed badly, but not bad enough to drop her two tiers. She still hits like a freight train, and can quickly clear a map at post-200.
It'd really cool to see Zero in A rank. In korea, he's basically one of the lowest C ranks. It's also really sad for me to say this as someone who loves Zero.
I do think youre underrating phantom. with decent legion and links his potential is crazy. his mobbing is lacking but hes the only class that can actually almost reach their potential max damage output during boss fights
Kanna is no longer SS but still S tier : - Still has Domian - Best mobbing skills of the game - As a bossing mule they are still insane due to their DPS , movement and options - They have THE BEst BIND OF THE GAME - THEY ARE still the best support of the game - If Kanna are still the best in many things , they should not be B tier
Kanna's one of two of the only classes in the game that can't solo Chaos Slime post-liberation right now with full 22 star gear without a ROR4, the other being Hayato because their stacks reset every test. Take that as you will.
Just give Kaiser much needed buffs and just give them perm transformation once 5th job is hit… I mean we all play Kaiser for the sexy transformation anyways :X, but yeah get rid of the combo system too.
Bro I've beeen waiting for so long now for them to "modernize" Kaiser. That blue hurricane should pop up automatically. Perma transformation after 5th job and the blade burst(?) the 4th job mobbing one, should have a bigger hitbox. That's enough I think.
Class Timestamps
1:08 Bishop
1:34 F/P Mage
1:55 I/L Mage
2:08 Paladin
2:28 Dark Knight
2:41 Hero
3:00 Ark
3:16 Thunder Breaker
3:46 Shade
4:06 Mechanic
4:32 Jett
5:04 Cannoneer
5:25 Angelic Buster
5:43 Wind Archer
6:21 Wild Hunter
6:53 Pathfinder
7:07 Mercedes
7:50 Kain
8:20 Zero
8:49 Mihile
9:24 Kaiser
10:02 Hayato
10:40 Demon Slayer
11:04 Demon Avenger
11:38 Dawn Warrior
12:00 Blaster
12:29 Adele
12:43 Aran
13:03 Ho Young
13:22 Cadena
13:39 Xenon
13:57 Phantom
14:31 Night Walker
14:53 Dual Blade
15:10 Illium
15:29 Kinesis
15:42 Luminous
16:00 Kanna
16:30 Evan
16:51 Blaze Wizard
17:03 Beast Tamer
17:18 Battle Mage
17:32 Night Lord
17:50 Shadower
18:05 Marksman
18:17 Corsair
18:31 Bowmaster
18:51 Buccaneer
19:10 Lara
Thanks XD
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I love people like you, ty for your service
You're a legend
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Love this. Thank you! One suggestion is to make is easier for people to tell visually which class you are talking about. Some names on the square boxes are hard to read.
I've just returned to Maplestory SEA back last week, and watching all these new things from you. I, thank you from the bottom of my heart for helping me understand the game I once held dear and would like to re-experience the good ol' MMORPG back in the days where I can be a child.
Thank you Coppersan. To everyone else, Happy Mapling!
I kinda don't like the P2W aspect in SEA. GMS is also P2W but it doesn't as bad as SEA does
@@IgraineDraco
Truth hurts. It is what it is.
@@IgraineDraco im trying to get into GMS but we can't access it in SEA, which sucks.
try ristonia then it's the samw without the contant grind
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Yeah, I feel that... If it was on Steam, a lot of people can see how bullshit the P2W it is compared to GMS.
11:45 Dawn warrior actually got massive damage improvements from the destiny patch; they got 10% more final damage for free as a passive. Their main bossing skill Rift of Damnation got a 15% reduced action delay (which is huge for dawn warrior) + it now scales with their styx trinode in 5th job. Overall the class actually saw roughly a 20-30% FD boost from the destiny patch! My 40sec BA went from ~22b to 31.3b.
can confirm, jumped 3t in ba at 40k stats right before and right after maint
Can confirm as well. Before Destiny I was doing 6.5TBA then all of a sudden after Destiny my BA jumped too 10T
and that's after losing 2 event stats, sheesh.
Oh daaang
i don't know about you but that's a 42.27% fd increase. 31.3/22
As someone with 6 bossing mules up to Lomien, Jett is 100% A or S class, even after Destiny. Bossing is so smooth that you won't even need s because of the insane mobility
damn for real? i've always heard that jett's are trash with all due respect, that's all i've always heard but i've never played it myself so i can't tell for sure honestly
@@danielalejandrogonzalezcol298 Jetts are truely op past 250 for bossing lol the spaceship is nuts
Well it probably feels good because you’re probably over 8k legion and have lv3 link skills. A new player playing Jett will suffer tremendously and struggle with even mobbing past 200. Classes like I/L are insanely good mobber stepping into 4th job vs where Jett has to struggle. That’s the diff between S tier and C tier.
Also any class after 250 is most likely nuts. NL burst at 250 can burst lomien in one cd. (Hell I’ve seen a 260 NL burst chaos dusk to 40% in one cd timers) Pally level 250 legit hits like a freight train and does not take a single point of dmg. Hayato being super mobile and spamming 5th job skills. Etc etc. even blaster has one of the higher dpms even now and is at C tier but at 250 they probably do as much as a f/p
@@jasonyun1158 no,
Jett is perfect for new players.
6% on all items and you 1 shot everything
@@jasonyun1158 they buffed him too much you can oneshot most enemies
Every class is S tier with enough funding 😏
Not duel blade
True !
definitely agree with the auto things. avenger swords, evans debris etc. its just so annoying to constantly have to recast it every 3-4 seconds while you got revamped classes that just have a on/off toggle like bats stars and etc
Shields also do like x10 the damage of bats/stars. And attack 10times instead of the usual 2-3. I don’t think they could ever make them a toggle with the current numbers.
Also as a DA main I don’t want them to make it a toggle, it’s the only thing that we really have to micro manage and without it DA basically becomes just as easy to play as Shade..
im pretty sure evan mains do not want their debris to be automatic. Debris has one job and one job only (charging radiance). If you make it auto, it would negatively effect its ability to do that one job. That being said, i think everything should have the option to be auto (via right clicking it like ark’s spell bullets). There’s some use cases where im sure people like the manual control like shadower’s mesos for mobbing.
Doesn’t take a genius to alter skills to make room for qol
@@mZStarCraft ppl who don't play the class thinking toggle would magically fix everything for shields is hilarious. The idle time and inconsistent tracking range would still persist so the toggle would fix almost nothing that actually matters, especially considering seasoned DA mains don't miss their shield casts so it wouldn't even be a noticeable qol for them. I swear It's always the non mains complaining about shield management.
keep these lists coming. I like listening to your maple comments!
His reaction to phantom is always gold lmao
The only surprising thing that I find was that Marksman is so much better than I expected. With everything else, I agree!
As a Phantom main who usually can out-DPS every one in my bossing parties, I think it's probably deserving of a higher rank.... Cross Surge + Final Cut and 100% crit rate + Carte Noir make for excellent damage output while bossing, and can swap Final Cut for Lightning Chain or Cannon Barrage (whatever the skills are called) for great mobbing potential.
as an ex phantom main can agree its super underrated. considering phantom has so much mobility + s they can easily stick to a boss making their damage uptime insane. not to mention phantom skill stealing is very handy for adaptability
@@lumishape2771 plus the damage burst potential is insane, stacking a bunch of damage multipliers and unleashing a flurry of cards. At 253 I can easily burst CRA, Hmag, etc.
@@MinishDude phantom supremacy! If i was still solo orientated id still main it. Now i main bishop for party utility
I Love how the dynamics of the game change completely if you're funded. Like Night Lord, his skill hit 8 mobs I think, but if you have marks one hit killing you can actually kill like 17 or 18 mobs per hit. Kinesis is another one, that skill when you press psy grab + up arrow can kill the entire map, and you can spam it.
Interesting. Didn’t know this.
As a Kinesis main, yea I do agree
after the ignition update we have less things to manage in boss which is good, but still, PP is always a little annoying to manage in bossing :x
Super new to this, is the game super pay to play or what? I honestly don't know much about the game, but funding seems to be a major point of discussion in this community.
I remember getting Aran as my first 210 and loving it. But the range was such a big problem for me so I switched to Angelic Buster which I have at 251 now
I don't know how I ended up on this video. I played MS in 2007-2009ish and had a Bucaneer level 142. I'm seriously considering trying it out again during spare time
As a Kinesis main (currently), I agree with the A grade you gave him, although I believe he does excel at mobbing after V, with his psychic bullet. But it's not enough to put him at S grade, because his bossing requires more funding and is high effort but not so high reward. Thanks for the tier list!
yeah its really blows that you NEED dsi and greenpot in order to not get stuck in psychic grab animation when bossing.
after the ignition update we have less things to manage in boss which is good, but still, PP is always a little annoying to manage in bossing :x
As a former Phantom main, I understand and agree with all the problems, but I will always be sad whenever he's called terrible ;_; The badass Legendary Phantom needs some proper love by the devs. The fact that he's in the same tier as Jett is absolutely atrocious.
You can only hope for heroes' remastered or revamp for other 3 heroes to be revamp like aran n evan be4
i agree with how u ended your coment... Jett is so good it deservers to be way higher ranked than phantom
I hope we can get a Heroes Revamp one day, especially since Phantom is and will forever be one of my favorite characters. It hurts to see how far he fell off, there were even times where they straight up left their Skills buggy with missing and extra SP.
On a side note, I would love to see the Hero stories updated like with Voice Acting. And uhh, if they need an English VA for Evan... I may know someone who did their voice in a fandub 👀
Doesn't Evan already have an English VA? I do kinda wish they had a English VA for Mir though, I remember grinding him out and thought it was super weird for him to keep talking to Mir, only for Mir to be completely silent.
To be honest I thought the Cygnus Knight revamp/remaster was really out of place given that there are plenty of classes that are even older than the original Cygnus Knight revamp, and outside of Blaze Wizard, none of them really needed a revamp, just some numbers changes. The later heroes classes and early nova classes could really get some attention, since all of them are feeling fairly clunky and out of place now.
With how the cygnus remaster turned out, I'm kind of afraid of a Heroes revamp. There is a reason why the Heroes have the oldest, non-revamped jobs (Merc onwards) but still deeply loved to this day. Resistance needs it more than us honestly.
I'm also primarily afraid of how they'll mess up the story. Tons of opportunities to create loopholes there if they end up touching the lore.
Just play phantom if you want to, these takes are pretty bad
cadena main here
you can animation cancel by just pressing "skill > attack button > skill" without pursuit which is way easier
also their mobbing gets easier (on the hands) when you're funded (your summons and auto attack one hits everything)
I feel like such a chad just sitting there saying no to 1 hit ko's as Paladin
"Even Phantom" i cant imagin how i felt when i heard that when my first character was phantom..
i enjoy the variety of classes in maplestory but also because of the legion/link skill gameplay loop the frustration of certain classes requiring way more practice (mercedes, cadena, for instance) becomes waaaaaay harsher. like i love cadena and merc but they aren't for everyone, but leveling merc is like 100% essential for progressing your character because of her link skill being so strong.
Mercedes gave me cramps 😭
Benz
Can we just appreciate the small witty jokes he throws here and there with not forgetting shade or oof phantom.
Wonderfully crafted video!
Phantom main here, my final hope for phantom remaster. Nexon dont fail us. Hope this aged well otherwise RIP
@@alfochewy phantom needs no remaster, imo, i main phantom too and think he needs buffs and small updates nothing major
Battle Mage is genuinely one of the most well balanced classes in the game. Easily doable solo and they provide tons of party boosts. They have arguably the best 5th job skills in the game. A tier at worst.
I wouldn’t go so far as to say best 5th job skills in game. Not even close
@@hawaiianseaturtle009 What class would you say collectively has better V skills?
What set do u use tho? For equipment
awesome video thank you so much coppersan
It's bizzare days to see every single warrior, mage, pirate and thief classes including special ones like dual blade to be occupying the very top tier
I WAS WAITING FOR THIS, LETS GOOOOOO
jett is a real class now, its honestly stupid to put them in c. their mobbing and bossing are fine, bossing is actually pretty solid
Ye idk why he put arguably the best hurricane class in C-tier.
He literally said in the video that it was his own opinion of the class
@@micah9988 so?
@@nirorit Wym so? The list clearly isn’t objective bruh💀
Kinda makes sense that you gotta be “high” enough to use Mercedes “leaf” tornado
As a Phantom main since his release. I'm sad he isnt getting as much love as most other classes. Not being able to steal shadow partner is understandable but would be amazing. Shadow Partner combined with Chain lightning would be fun. Or just locking it to theif skills would make showdown a better skill to steal.
Or 35% final damage shadow partner that works for all spells instead of 70% as standard is also good.
The only issue with having Shadow Partner would be that it basically becomes required meta for Phantom no matter how you cut it. Nerfed dmg, nerfed skill compatibility, etc would still make it meta.
stop, don’t do that. The community does what you just did too often and it’s why nexon does what they do. No, it isn’t understandable. First of all it’s a PVE game. Second of all, phantom is far from OP, stealing SP might would help alot.
keep holding on for a remaster. after cygnus, it's either resistance or heroes getting revamped!
Hi Coppersan! I always watch the vids and my wife and I would like to return to Maple after a long hiatus! I was wondering can we come back to MapleStory as casual maplers with minimum spending (I don't mind spending +/- $50/week or so. Just didn't want to go crazy.) I'm kind of daunted by cubing to do higher level content, tbh.
giving mech's missles auto mode would do alot more harm then good for them. the missles can fire extremely fast and require no attack speed upgrades and their damage output is solid. the missles are the real main attacking skills mechs have,not the AP/salvo, and the moment they're treated as such the better the gameplay becomes. by giving auto mode it would just bind their firing speed to the AP/salvos, and that would simply nerf the HELL out of them
i've played page/wk from 05 after i found KMS video's with Paladin's cleaning house on boss raids. been in love ever since. this update feels like it could be the paladin redepmtion arc
as an Evan main it is almost a chore to maintain your fusion skills and you just rely on SO much for high damage output. Their bossing pretty damn good, but post-destiny their mobility is definitely a much appreciated change as well as bit of damage boosts to a couple of their nodes, mainly radiance and wyrm king breath.
They also do not have a ton of skills that passively or actively boost their damage which is the fusion skills are so important them. I still haven't even gotten used to animation cancelling. Definitely a class with a steep learning curve (not as bad as Cadena from what I heard though).
What other changes are Demon Avenger receiving in the future? The ones they got in Destiny are pretty nice, but those other changes the vid mentioned intrigued me.
More buffs, specially to bossing. Currently in KMS they’re easily a top 5 bosser
@@xDerpiicity Oh, that's awesome! I'm glad I'm burning one right now.
Thanks for the info, bro. 👍
any chance we're getting another one of these for new age?
Very off topic, any chance we’ll get a gear progression guide? The amount of gear/flame/cube/scroll/starforce things are making my head spin.
YEAH DEMON AVENGER MOVING UPPPP
Even phantom 😂
Cardkun here enjoying every second
Hi there! Last I played the game was in 2017 and I was not playing on classic but the new servers where you cannot trade. I was also fighting magnus at that time because I think he was the endgame boss? May I please ask what has changed? I really want to play this game again but I’m intimidated because I have no idea what anything is anymore
14:25 I SAID THE SAME THING. If phantom could get shadow partner I think he would still be pretty balanced. Also Phantom is the only thief class to not have a form of shadow partner.
cadena says hello
Just moved from KMS. Who should I burn in reboot GMS. Im thinking of warrior classes and dual blade?
subbittles? i can't understand. i'm deaf and etc :(
Copper man killing my me by giving all my possible mains B and C tier 💀💀💀
Still I like that Coppersan is really honest and just straight up so cool.
I don't know which one's technically the best, but I do like mobbing with Lara. You just skip around and activate veins that do all the work for you. Water vein feels weak compared to the other two, but it's not painfully weak or anything. It just doesn't have the huge vertical reach of wind or the instant activation of fire.
Shadower is low-key amazing for real
Love shadower, although I have to learn that animation canceling stuff but when I get that down, it’s so satisfying.
Im considering playing on reboot, and i cant decide between Ark and Pathfinder. Who has better mobbing?
Bowmaster will always be the comfy grinder once kitted out fully at 5th job. I will always suggest this with Bowmaster:
Do not expect a lot, nothing too flashy. But work with it like playing a new instrument. By the time you get to 5th job, unlock enough node slots for the fully kit? It's a symphony within itself. :D
Sincerely,
Rocs - UE/UA BM main.
Is the UA skill even worth using?
@@AidedStunBreak its not. No UA is worth the time unless they revamp it. BM is nice but I was really hoping they would give us a whole new mobbing skill in destiny. Arrow stream is a huge turn off. Bring back arrow rain.
Lara is actually very strong. Outdamages Hero easy without funding. I'm curious why you think Explorers are so good because my Hero has to hit mobs 3/4 times more than my Lara (no funding). I was playing with a friend and he played as Adele. It was really frustrating because he was leveling a lot faster so i decided to quit my Hero due to lack of damage output.
Would be nice if you answered this comment and maybe give some details about this!
Other than burning and reboot, what server would be the better in your opinion, I see tho reboot is very full tho
How does dawn warrior rank right now?
Coppersan is so brutal on blaze wizards every time he has to talk about them :(
coming from a blaze wiz main it is what it is we suck dawg
They shouldn't let region-specific classes be created if they're not going to bother with balancing or updating them. It shows no respect for the players who choose to main play those classes because they enjoy them.
Mihile is easy A or S tier now. Basically invincible and damage was improved.
Former Xenon main here. Xenon is one of the best mobbers in the game, and when i say the one of the best i mean like top 5. i guess without frenzie it might not be as good. It requires a lot less funding than many classes to be a good mobber, but it's also a very active mobber for it's best rates.
It's bossing is pretty decent, has 2 i-frames, class bind, loaded dice gets both thief and pirate 5th job skills. with the 5th job skills i agree photon ray is pretty bad, but fusion field and omega blaster are amazing. Core overload is a crazy good buff, but it's a bit inconvinient unless you use it as you start charging omegablaster. Xenon is a very underrated class.
Can someone help me out! How many Tera burning characters can we have during this event? Currently reached level 200 on Adele and received a Tera burning effect which can be used on another character…so if I use that on say dual blade & reach level 200 do I get another and so forth?
You get three total. You get one creating a character, one from getting level 200 and receiving it, and one from the explorer revamp event quest(I think that's what it was?) that you can receive any time and transfer to a different character through storage.
@@minigooshey thank you!!
I miss old maple story when every attack WASN’T an atomic bomb with numbers across the screen.
A final bigger look at your tier graph at the end would be awesome.
im actually happy that kanna got knock down because that was just stupid that she got SS because of her skill for reducing mobbing responding time
When i started kaiser 6 years ago, the combo mechanics was the best cause starting a new account and not having other characters to depend on for mesos/ potions, that was the go to heal yourself and not use potions, but of course it got nexon'd, they did kaiser dirty
I guess the maple heros wasn’t able to beat the dark mage in the past because most of them are in B or C tier😅
Nah cause they were level 200 with insane mechanics and no 5th job skills.
@@kennyhuang7393 lol true
mercedes tried to fly across the map during the fight and got hit with a one shot
Basically now the explorers are almost all s tier, just bow master out for the mobbing and pathfinder that didn't get a remaster.
Shade doesn't really need funding. I'm a fundless Shade and my damage output is pretty high. The class has a tempo that you need to figure out to maximize damage output. A rhythm to playing that's not really considered, but makes a huge difference.
Since I switched from Luminous to NL as main, I can only say mobbing is actually fun now with bigger hitboxes with NL
Else not much changed in my opinion, bossing feels the same with like the very same speed but mobbing definetly approved
Yep, mobbing is super fun on NL now
wild hunters are fun but holy moly they cannot kill lucid. half their damage is locked behind a debuff mechanic that also relies on cooldowns. On singular bosses that is fine. on the constant barrage of golems, it's impossible!
Ngl after playing phantom for the link skill while not unplayable it's a close thing.
After cygnus rework in ignition update, they must be doing resistance rework next
Sorry but Hayato must be on the S tier, and Kaiser must be between A and S, point is, Hayato has regen for every critical damage deal, make bossing is like having a fake BOD which your HP is almost always full, but ofcourse Shensoku is stronger than Phantom as well as triggering final attack with high damage, low funding can still reach to more than 10m range with full Iaijutsu phantom blade buff, 2 s, and FMA is 99% up time for lazy and relax grinding. As for Kaiser, most of the problem that is mostly about tempest blade and nova guardian targetting has been fixed, they will focus on the boss monster to deal the maximum damage, so why it's on the lower tier, we were always above average.
ugh cant choose, DrK main , ark boss mule or ark main and Drk boss mule..
Any class is viable, even Phantom.
Viable Phantom: Level 210 hunting level 172-174 mobs.
at level 250 they can finally train at Twilight perion
lmao phantom is actually very good atm, oneshotting mobs is not even a parameter for job balance, any class can easily kill a arcane river mob with minimal funding
Paladin > all other jobs 🤷🏽♂️
I switched my main recently and couldnt believe how much shit paladin ignore from mobbing and bossing XD.
I couldn't agree mow
Soloed a CZakum with 5k stats without dodging a single thing :D Just stood there and dealt braindead damage.
Tldr.... Yeah
Bonk master
So is maplestory still playable? Last time I checked is was buggy af.
Was the SS put as a decoration?🤔
awww sigh with Phantom, I really like it on mobile version, I hope Maple don't ruin that character on Mobile version...
RIP resistance classes
Cries in Phantom... also yeah shadow partner would single handedly bring Phantom into S-tier.
Bro my shadower was already 200 before the new update and i dont have the Slash shadow thing skill like wtf, do i have to spend a lot of money on nodes or what?
Please, make a top again, with all remasters and updates
Some of the B tiers are down there because they are too much effort for too little reward/damage.
i'm just glad Mercedes got a damage boost from Destiny :D
For Bowmasters, once your arrow turret one shots everything on the map, mobbing gets a lot easier
So by that, you mean it requires more funding before it can do that? That's kinda sad. A lot of the other class doesn't need as much when I played it...
I feel Kanna should be in A tier. She definitely got nerfed badly, but not bad enough to drop her two tiers. She still hits like a freight train, and can quickly clear a map at post-200.
Every single bossing party will continue to beg for domain. Kanna is B tier purely for the sake of clickbait.
Can anyone link the Remaster that’s happening later this year Coppersan is referring to??
I’m actually a phantom main. Really does feel weaker than the rest but still the coolest IMO!
does anyone know how to make a node where all the skills are the ones that i want (eg: chain lightning, frozen orb, thunder storm)
You can craft a boost node with one guaranteed skill, but the other two are up to random chance. gl
@@soaringje9
Did not know that... Thanks! I'll keep an eye out.
It'd really cool to see Zero in A rank. In korea, he's basically one of the lowest C ranks.
It's also really sad for me to say this as someone who loves Zero.
I’d definitely set Dawn Warrior at S tier and Hayato at S tier. Hayato is an insane slept on class
Well it’s hard when there’s 49 classes lol
Nice needed one
I HARD disagree with Jett's placement
her damage didnt get nerfed at all with noblesse skills
honestly imo if yo master zero completely he goes to SS, an actual crazy bosser and mobber with tons of utility.
I started to think the whole video was gonna be a bit where every class is S tier
anyone knows in MapleStoryM Bishop is still bad tier F?
I do think youre underrating phantom. with decent legion and links his potential is crazy. his mobbing is lacking but hes the only class that can actually almost reach their potential max damage output during boss fights
BaM actually somewhere in the middle of dmg charts not sure why u keep saying it's weak xd
Kanna is no longer SS but still S tier :
- Still has Domian
- Best mobbing skills of the game
- As a bossing mule they are still insane due to their DPS , movement and options
- They have THE BEst BIND OF THE GAME
- THEY ARE still the best support of the game
- If Kanna are still the best in many things , they should not be B tier
Kanna's one of two of the only classes in the game that can't solo Chaos Slime post-liberation right now with full 22 star gear without a ROR4, the other being Hayato because their stacks reset every test. Take that as you will.
Yo coppersan if you ever became the owner of maplestory or whatever i know you’re gonna make every class a paladin 😂
Bruh one day phantom gonna climb the ladder
Just give Kaiser much needed buffs and just give them perm transformation once 5th job is hit… I mean we all play Kaiser for the sexy transformation anyways :X, but yeah get rid of the combo system too.
Bro I've beeen waiting for so long now for them to "modernize" Kaiser. That blue hurricane should pop up automatically. Perma transformation after 5th job and the blade burst(?) the 4th job mobbing one, should have a bigger hitbox. That's enough I think.
Phantoms are honestly fucking awful, it was painful just trying to get one to level 120
If you steal 8legs easton for grinding, it should feel a lot better. Getting to 200 felt fine with that specific skill :)
i felt this with Mercedes
Phantoms: *cries in stolen skills*
Is no one gonna talk about the outro xD