Why Nietzsche Misunderstood Dostoevsky
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In The Genealogy of Morals, Nietzsche spends the entire final third of the book answering a single question: what is the meaning of ascetic ideals?
The ascetic ideal in Nietzsche's philosophy is the form that nihilism takes, it is that which promotes a movement away from the world, from the body, from the flesh, from our humanity. He sees this principle at work in every realm of human endeavor, from art to religion to philosophy and even modern science.
In this video we provide an overview of how the ascetic ideal - nihilism - finds its way into the artistic world through Wagner's Parsifal, into the religious domain through Christianity, in philosophy with Schopenhauer, and finally how even modern science, through Darwin and Copernicus and the like, provides a feeding ground for nihilism.
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Hypocrite
1887
"The year is eighteen seventy-eight"
Philosophy is mysterious.
Hahahaha
Never get tired of hearing about these two
True
Dostoevsky may not have known Nietzsche, but he had a friend, named Soloviev, who lectured on Schopenhauer in Russia...
And your point is?
@@uncleusuh trying to explain the genesis of similar ideas
@@mnemonicpie Is Nietzsche and Schopenhauer comparable?
@@uncleusuh of course. But I think the right question here should be: "was Nietzsche influenced by Schopenhauer?". And the answer is yes.
Dostoevsky's stance on suffering as an ineliminable part of human existence is literally what Schopenhauer wrote. I'm sure there're many more similar cases.
@@mnemonicpie The real right question is, what is Dostoevsky's most important stance and solution to the problem of suffering and what do Schopenhauer and Nietzsche offer to the table and are there in anyway similar in terms of solution?
Even though we have no evidence that Nietzsche read Crime and Punishment, Raskolnikov's dream in which he feels pity for the suffering horse reminds me of the story of Nietzsche's breakdown - perhaps he had read it? I find the dream really powerful and interesting, as I had a similar dream, about suffering animals, that involved an extremely powerful ferling of pity. I remember Niezsche claimed pity was a negative emotion. How do you think Dostoevsky's understanding of pity differs from Nietzsche's? Thanks for the video.
There are some who believe the horse incident is pure fabrication. I’m inclined to believe it was made up but I haven’t yet found a definitive source for this claim.
Not only in Raskolnikov's Dream, but in 35th Chapter of The Brother Karmazov, where Ivan tells Alyosha the story of A peasant lashing on the eyes of a horse.
@@sujitbidari217 I'd forgotten that! It's been a long time (decades) since I read Karamazov. I read Crime and Punishment two months ago, so that story was fresh in my mind. Perhaps I need to re-read it.
You think Nietzsche described his own breakdown to other people? Even if he had read Crime and Punishment, how and why would Nietzsche himself, a mental institute patient after 1889, talk about his own mental breakdown, and further more, parallel it with the horse incident from Dostoyevsky’s book? Nietzsche wasn’t functional after the breakdown and with every year passing, he became more and more catatonic. Simply no way a man in that state could talk about his own fall into madness with parallels to another person’s book.
@@Harrow_ Maybe Nietzsche's horse breakdown didn't happen. I am in no position to judge on that
1:51 1878 or 1887?
Great transition to your ad. Congratulations on all your success. Your voice is always calming. I can’t imagine not reading Notes of the Underground. Loved it when I read it.❤
I heard (maybe from this very channel) that Nietzsche and Dostoyevsky could have hypothetically met, in Nice I think. They wouldn't know who they are talking to, but it is interesting to imagine two giants of the 19th century, having a little chat in a french café, oblivious of each other's identity.
Fascinating video! Thanks for this one. Would like to see more on Nietzsche-Dostoyevsky connections
I thought that Nietzsche read crime and punishment and the horse incident that caused his breakdown was related to Raskolnikov dream about torturing a horse. But i am not sure.
Yes, I have thought something similar. Could be jist a coincidence, I suppose
I watched a video recently which claims the horse incident was made up. Needs investigation.
@@christopherhamilton3621 there was never any evidence the horse incident happened, and you can't prove a negative.
if a botched translation of NFTU had this much of an impact on Nietzsche, imagine what the current ones would’ve done
Fascinating! I had no idea about the huge translation issues.
It would be great if you could recommend some modern psychologists who were influenced by Nietzsche and Dostoevsky!
Freud/Jung
Though they are excellent, it would be better if they were more "contemporary" and had a deeper understanding of Nietzsche.
Jordan Peterson
Funny to hear this video after last video about Nietzsche ("Dont argue. Command"). The writer did it BECAUSE HE COULD. Thus, ruining a book and partially invalidating Nietzsche's opinion about Socrates (my opinion)
Destyosky was just depicting the purpose of art. And the same reason why im here wandering towards nietzche. I think it's all make sense.
What was the book that introducef nietzche to schopenhauer?
Well done and thank you
Great job! Thank you!
I would highly appreciate a full analysis of Thus Spoke Zarathustra.
It's not 'Notes from THE underground'. The title of Dostoevsky's book is 'Notes From Underground".
What are the odds you and aperture release a Nietzche video at the same time
Poor Nietzsche, he keeps getting the wrong translations of the books he buys and reads 😂
Great video
Please stop blaming the translator alone. What about the publisher? There also must've been an editor. A translator myself, I know we never have that much freedom.
It’s funny how you reference reading Dostoevsky through Nietzsche eyes, I was just discovering and enjoying Nietzsche philosophy when I read crime and punishment allowing me to coincidentally read it with Nietzsche‘n eyes
So what you telling me is this is the earliest localization before anime?
Actualky the beauty of art is the presense of the devine( a power that irrrationally came to human, like the idea of coincidence) so the thing is, even if nietzche find different to the original idea, it has conceived same. Ot doe st matter.
Like Buddha he should have learned from the slaves before going insane..
Resentment is blinding to half of reality.. hence why slaves learn to forgive in obtaining the One
Why should the master of slaves be subjected to morality? Or be considered "Bad"?
@@unknowninfinium4353
You could ask your master that before being beaten for suggesting said master has an irrational fear of darkness
@@11-AisexualsforGod-11 I didnt get you. Care to try again.
Dont worry I am patient with slaves.
Impossible
Nietzchie can't be WRONG
He is a genius💀💀
8:20 Exactly as nowadays the adaptations of the books are done unfortunately
Constructive criticism: You are saying the same thing many times, most of the time you are repeating the translation horrors made to the book
can you do mind and matter
15:17
Thankfully, Dostoevsky's psychological and existentialist writing is far too great to be muddied by some stupid translator.
2+2=5
Perfect comment .bravo!
Settle down there, O'Brien
The fact is Nietzsche and Dostoevsky are totally incompatible ( same is true of J Peterson and Dostoevsky )
@@majidbineshgar7156 Agreed. And I align myself more with Dostoevsky.
बहुत-बहुत सुंदर कोटि कोटि प्रेम नमन
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full of typos, typical youtube nietzsche essayist
There's no greater theft of identity than shilling for nordvpn, sorry. 😅😂
Dude what was the add, completely ruined the video