@@geekecology would guess it has to do with it being a stone evolution. It needs the right minerals in its diet to become a Flareon, so even if there is the right prey and the right kind of fruits and berries that it can cook (a behavior confirmed in some Pokedex entries on Flareon) it might just not be possible. Leafeon in earlier generations evolves by leveling up near a mossy rock, suggesting a symbiotic or parasitic relationship with moss or algae, and that kind of moss is probably plentiful in this habitat.
Can you make a speculative video about gaps in the pokemon universe? Such as; insects lower than a certain size, are they still pokemon, yet normally neglected? What about non animated plants and fungi, are pathogens and "germs" pokemon technically? I think it would be fun to speculate on the "please-dont-ask-youll-ruin-the-immersion" issue of (what would normally be considered) non pokemon organisms. Cheers
I usually think of such organisms as just too little to be easily seen by a normal person unless they're being pests. Like, all animals are Pokémon, but the smallest insects just aren't worthy of attention, as a human could annihilate one with a slap.
That's been my interpretation of why they have so many evolutions for a while now. It's the Pokemon that best embodies both pokemon evolution and Darwinian evolution at the same time. Having so many evolutions allows it to occupy many specialist niches while functioning as a generalist species as a whole. Probably the reason it's so rare in the world of Pokemon is just that this allows them a huge range and large territories as most of them are predatory (but the Pokedex confirms Flareon to eat cooked berries, making it a likely omnivore).
@formlessone8246 Foxes are omnivorous, so I'd assume Eevee would be, too. Probably just eating nuts, berries, etc, when it can find it but mainly eating meat. Maybe Vaporeon would be an exception since they live in water. Fish and crustaceans are probably the main part of their diet. Glaceon might also not be able to find much edible vegetation in their colder habitat. Flareon probably heat most of their food. They might focus on scavenging since they can cook meat that is close to spoiling or just the tough parts that other Pokemon might not want. Umbreon are stealthy nocturnal hunters, and Espeon can probably stun prey with psychic power before they attack. Leafeon get extra nutrients from the sun so they can probably go for longer without eating.
@@elmsigreen I don't know, I've never seen Eevee as a fox per-say, even if it seems to occupy the same niche. For one, it's face is too flat to be a canine. If it's a caniform, it would more likely be related to bears or racoons. However, it's mane, eyes, ears, and feet all strongly suggest it to be a feliform of some sort (especially on later eevelution designs, most especially Umbreon and Espeon). It could be a hyena that evolved to fulfill the same niche as a fox, for instance.
@@formlessone8246 I think we need to look at similar Pokemon to find out what Eevee is related to, not compare it too much to our world's animals. I agree, that flat-ish face might suggest that Eevee is related to Sneasel, Purrloin, Skitty or other feline Pokemon rather than the canine Pokemon. I've been working on multiple Pokemon cladograms that will hopefully eventually include every Pokemon. But I put Eevee in with the foxes like Lucario, Ninetails, Delphox and Zoruark. But now I'm not sure, you're making me rethink all of it, lol. Absol, Weavile, Sneasler and Zangoose are on a branch together on my Feliform tree and I think I might have to add the Eeveelutions to that branch.
@@elmsigreen so I just realized that RUclips glitched out again and my last post may not be visible to you. What makes me think of hyenas is the skewed gender ratio of Eevee, which would be unsustainable in real life because it skews male. Of all the explanations I can think of, the most elegant that I could come up with is that it isn't actually skewed, trainers just have a hard time correctly determining an Eevee's true gender, which is a real problem with hyenas due to their reproductive anatomy being so ambiguous. It looks male on the females! I can't think of any other mammal where that is the case, and certainly not another carnivoran. So I would put Eevee next to Mightyena on any cladogram*. Eevee itself does have a gender difference starting with the Let's Go games, but it's a subtle difference in fur patterning on the tail which doesn't continue to be apparent on evolution. Now there are other possibilities I can think of like gender changing in certain circumstances that exists in the wild but maybe not captivity (kinda like some amphibians) and this would explain why they are described as rare, but not endangered. But it's way more complicated and feels unlikely even for a mammal that can metamorphosis into eight different organisms. I mean, no other Pokemon does that. * Thought I disagree with Geek Ecology in placing Poochiena on the canine pokemon cladogram due to its name-- he missed the part where it has both pooch AND hyena in its name, showing the creators really did intend for it to be a hyena. And anyway, that's just it's English name, he didn't look at it's original Japanese name. It's a hyena to me!
Now this is jus utterly fascinating to me. Ever since I was a kid I had always thought about and wondered about how a food chain in Pokemon works as many Pokedex entries state that Pokemon do hunt other Pokemon to eat and how some species go about doing it like how Sylveon distracts potential prey with its ribbons before visiting on them sweet fairy death.
i've been getting into theorizing about pokemon ecology recently and your videos are exactly what i envisioned! I also saw the video on the desert biome and wondering if you could do one for an arctic biome next?
Arctic/polar/ice type regions would be fun since I really haven't covered one yet! My next foodweb should be out before the end of the month hopefully 🤞
So how does Ting-Lu fit with the ecosystem since it’s from this area? Would it be considered an invasive species because of how it’s sealed away or something similar to a wild fire since its lore implies that it led to Socarrat Trail’s current state?
I did not know about this implication that Ting-Lu made the area the way it is now, but I think it doesn't has that much importance exactly because it is sealed, so I don't see it having that much major influence in the ecosystem. The most I can think of right now that Ting-Lu might have done is some sort of curse in the area in the moment right before it is sealed so that this part of Paldea will never be as green as the others or something like that and that's it.
That would've been a good question to address 😅 I'm kind of hoping we get some more lore on those Pokémon with the expansions before I really dive into them
@@geekecologyNot sure if I have asked before but I wonder if you could do a video regarding what pokémon need items to evolve and for which ones it accelerates the process or replaces an alternative method.
As a biology student and a Pokémon fan, I am SO JAZZED about this series!
The idea of Forretress being a parasite and using its funnels like that is a super fun!
That eevee idea is actually pretty cool
Hey thanks! It just seemed strange to not have Flareon there as well since they have the burnt grass patches around
@@geekecology would guess it has to do with it being a stone evolution. It needs the right minerals in its diet to become a Flareon, so even if there is the right prey and the right kind of fruits and berries that it can cook (a behavior confirmed in some Pokedex entries on Flareon) it might just not be possible. Leafeon in earlier generations evolves by leveling up near a mossy rock, suggesting a symbiotic or parasitic relationship with moss or algae, and that kind of moss is probably plentiful in this habitat.
Can you make a speculative video about gaps in the pokemon universe? Such as; insects lower than a certain size, are they still pokemon, yet normally neglected? What about non animated plants and fungi, are pathogens and "germs" pokemon technically? I think it would be fun to speculate on the "please-dont-ask-youll-ruin-the-immersion" issue of (what would normally be considered) non pokemon organisms. Cheers
That would be a great topic!
I usually think of such organisms as just too little to be easily seen by a normal person unless they're being pests.
Like, all animals are Pokémon, but the smallest insects just aren't worthy of attention, as a human could annihilate one with a slap.
The shellfish you see in some Paldean dishes would also fit this
I would imagine that Toedscruel would love to chowdown on leafeons and jolteons given their type matchups
Would definitely take them opportunistically!
Eevees probably exist in almost any habitat, just evolving into the best evolution for it's environment.
That's been my interpretation of why they have so many evolutions for a while now. It's the Pokemon that best embodies both pokemon evolution and Darwinian evolution at the same time. Having so many evolutions allows it to occupy many specialist niches while functioning as a generalist species as a whole. Probably the reason it's so rare in the world of Pokemon is just that this allows them a huge range and large territories as most of them are predatory (but the Pokedex confirms Flareon to eat cooked berries, making it a likely omnivore).
@formlessone8246 Foxes are omnivorous, so I'd assume Eevee would be, too. Probably just eating nuts, berries, etc, when it can find it but mainly eating meat.
Maybe Vaporeon would be an exception since they live in water. Fish and crustaceans are probably the main part of their diet.
Glaceon might also not be able to find much edible vegetation in their colder habitat.
Flareon probably heat most of their food. They might focus on scavenging since they can cook meat that is close to spoiling or just the tough parts that other Pokemon might not want.
Umbreon are stealthy nocturnal hunters, and Espeon can probably stun prey with psychic power before they attack.
Leafeon get extra nutrients from the sun so they can probably go for longer without eating.
@@elmsigreen I don't know, I've never seen Eevee as a fox per-say, even if it seems to occupy the same niche. For one, it's face is too flat to be a canine. If it's a caniform, it would more likely be related to bears or racoons. However, it's mane, eyes, ears, and feet all strongly suggest it to be a feliform of some sort (especially on later eevelution designs, most especially Umbreon and Espeon). It could be a hyena that evolved to fulfill the same niche as a fox, for instance.
@@formlessone8246 I think we need to look at similar Pokemon to find out what Eevee is related to, not compare it too much to our world's animals.
I agree, that flat-ish face might suggest that Eevee is related to Sneasel, Purrloin, Skitty or other feline Pokemon rather than the canine Pokemon.
I've been working on multiple Pokemon cladograms that will hopefully eventually include every Pokemon.
But I put Eevee in with the foxes like Lucario, Ninetails, Delphox and Zoruark.
But now I'm not sure, you're making me rethink all of it, lol.
Absol, Weavile, Sneasler and Zangoose are on a branch together on my Feliform tree and I think I might have to add the Eeveelutions to that branch.
@@elmsigreen so I just realized that RUclips glitched out again and my last post may not be visible to you. What makes me think of hyenas is the skewed gender ratio of Eevee, which would be unsustainable in real life because it skews male. Of all the explanations I can think of, the most elegant that I could come up with is that it isn't actually skewed, trainers just have a hard time correctly determining an Eevee's true gender, which is a real problem with hyenas due to their reproductive anatomy being so ambiguous. It looks male on the females! I can't think of any other mammal where that is the case, and certainly not another carnivoran. So I would put Eevee next to Mightyena on any cladogram*.
Eevee itself does have a gender difference starting with the Let's Go games, but it's a subtle difference in fur patterning on the tail which doesn't continue to be apparent on evolution. Now there are other possibilities I can think of like gender changing in certain circumstances that exists in the wild but maybe not captivity (kinda like some amphibians) and this would explain why they are described as rare, but not endangered. But it's way more complicated and feels unlikely even for a mammal that can metamorphosis into eight different organisms. I mean, no other Pokemon does that.
* Thought I disagree with Geek Ecology in placing Poochiena on the canine pokemon cladogram due to its name-- he missed the part where it has both pooch AND hyena in its name, showing the creators really did intend for it to be a hyena. And anyway, that's just it's English name, he didn't look at it's original Japanese name. It's a hyena to me!
First time RUclips recommended a good smaller channel lol. This video is awesome!
Hey thanks! Glad it found you! 🤙
Now this is jus utterly fascinating to me. Ever since I was a kid I had always thought about and wondered about how a food chain in Pokemon works as many Pokedex entries state that Pokemon do hunt other Pokemon to eat and how some species go about doing it like how Sylveon distracts potential prey with its ribbons before visiting on them sweet fairy death.
Glad you enjoy it! It's been a great thought experiment to work through all these regions and dex entries!
Yo that's neat. Now I got a whole new playlist to watch. Keep it up!
Thanks for doing this! This is my favorite area in SV because the yellow colors give it an autumn vibe.
Definitely one of the vibe-iest routes in the game! Also one of my favorites
WOW! This is such a fun idea, and it’s clear you did plenty of resource! Great video, instantly subscribed!
This is so satisfying and interesting, really helps to make the pokemon world feel tangible and real- I hope this channel takes off soon!
Hope this video blows up.
Oh God! Where has this channel been all my life?!
Welcome welcome!
I'm really digging these videos so much! Please keep on doing what youre doing dude
Amazing educational value!
This kind of content deserves way more love
loveeee this
i've been getting into theorizing about pokemon ecology recently and your videos are exactly what i envisioned! I also saw the video on the desert biome and wondering if you could do one for an arctic biome next?
Arctic/polar/ice type regions would be fun since I really haven't covered one yet! My next foodweb should be out before the end of the month hopefully 🤞
I love videos like this, it's so much fun to just think about the ecology in these games
At this point I probably spend exponentially more time thinking about made-up stuff surround games than actually playing them lol
Loved this video, I need more!
You should do a pikmin food web
My favorite area in Pokémon Scarlet and Violet 😊
One of mine too!
Great video as always.
Thank you! 😁
So how does Ting-Lu fit with the ecosystem since it’s from this area? Would it be considered an invasive species because of how it’s sealed away or something similar to a wild fire since its lore implies that it led to Socarrat Trail’s current state?
I did not know about this implication that Ting-Lu made the area the way it is now, but I think it doesn't has that much importance exactly because it is sealed, so I don't see it having that much major influence in the ecosystem. The most I can think of right now that Ting-Lu might have done is some sort of curse in the area in the moment right before it is sealed so that this part of Paldea will never be as green as the others or something like that and that's it.
That would've been a good question to address 😅 I'm kind of hoping we get some more lore on those Pokémon with the expansions before I really dive into them
You think if an eevee ate enough pikachu it would become a jolton?
That is a GREAT question! Kind of interesting this route has abundant electric AND grass types lower in the food chain than Jolteon and Leafeon ..
I assume this is how it works because there is no way that all pokémon who need elemental energy to evolve are capable of mining.
@@geekecologyNot sure if I have asked before but I wonder if you could do a video regarding what pokémon need items to evolve and for which ones it accelerates the process or replaces an alternative method.