Tormented demons are different enough from demonic gorillas. Tormented demons on their own are simplified demonic gorillas, but you can kill multiple tormented demons at the same time to significantly increase the kills per hour and change how you approach the with more flicking and more actions per minute. Something which you can't do at demonics. The fact that it is optional makes it really intresting to me. Sure the fundementals are the same, but their style and protection changes a lot less, and you can optionally up the difficulty by killing multiple at the same time.
@@ScriticRS I'd still like to add that I agree with a lot of your points in the video. They definitely need some tweaking. But I like to believe I see potential with the whole multi situation.
Yeah nah there are already Demonics in multi bro??? Is this another take of a casual thats never actually killed these mobs lol??? Im 2.5k Demonic KC on my iron and these mobs make me wanna cry after finally getting all my zenytes............. This shit should be fun???
@@zlargo6491 @DojuCG, tormented demons have special mechanics where being in combat with more than one is beneficial, demonics don’t (iirc), demonics are only cheesed in multi with multiple players with a tank character and DPS character which is uninteresting and different to tormented demons. That’s is what i am trying to get at, and yes I have killed demonics, what a dumb argument.
IMPORTANT!! If you watch the video of Gudi and test it with the Bone Claws it does work. Be careful with lures and people dropping you in their POH. YOU WILL LOSE YOUR GEAR. - We tested this and it WORKS
In my experience Depends on where you stand, if they have melee active and your not in reach they switch to mage/range, if you step back near their hit box they switch styles again “assumed it was meant to change back to melee, but have had it change other styles.” But your having them change combat styles mid fight standing beside them or away from them?
I died to this recently myself. Was standing far away from a group of them and tried to just hit one and make it step away from the others because I only wanted to fight one at a time. It started to walk to me to attack with melee but when it got to me it switched to magic then went back to melee. Was weird because I wasn't even running away. Hit for three 30s and dead lol.
hot take but i think it should be a hike there. part of the problem with osrs is that everyone wants a 1 click tp somewhere. its like a 2 min walk for a 30-1 hr farming session. its crazy to me.
i think were forgetting that the quest also comes with a boss that also has bis necklace. I think the demons are good hold over until the new boss comes out. I dont have a problem with the new demons. Edit: It also gives us an alternative to killing greater demons for slayer too. theyre kind of like an abby demon. Shit drops until its not.
Oh no the drops are so niche they're only good at the one demon boss in the game that everybody calls "Demon Boss" because it's the only demon boss in the game 😢😢
I’ve been getting about 18kills a hour at 105combat, sitting at 86kc with no uniques and nothing to show for it but some adamant plate bodies. The time could be spent elsewhere making better gp. I loved Td’s in rs2, made my first b there with dragon claws. These are fun but miss the mark for a grandmaster quest. To be honest the weapons are very one off uses at the moment as well. Would love to see a hotfix on Monday addressing regular loot. An dear god remove the seed drop table, and herbs. How in the hell does a seed/herb not burn up on a fiery demon is beyond me.
Firstly, the loudest reactionary people on Reddit and Twitter are not exactly the most rational and level-headed majority playerbase that Jagex should be catering to. My biggest gripe is the hike to even get there. Personally I think the hp/prayer sustain drops from TD’s that you can consume should be 1/16 in addition to the other drops, that way players don’t have to take a 5 minute trip to bank, poh, Tears of Guthix tele, long-ass cavern orb animation, hike into the temple, climb the rocks, then finally spend 10 minutes to fight four or five 600hp monsters before needing to bank again.
I don't see how you get 10 minutes of fight time. I can sustain for an hour on divines and prayer potions alone. 5 anglers is more than enough to keep me sustained until I get the flesh/gland drops. Granted, I use a blood fury, but the point remains the same.
@@ryanrandolph6193if he isn't dodging the spell after the bind and not switching correctly after that to the right prayer he will get chunked out quickly but once you get that down you only need prayer restore. All damage can be avoided.
@@ryanrandolph6193 It's a writing technique called "exaggeration for effect" to emphasize that the TD's should drop more consumables to compensate for the long distance that it takes to get there.
It's fking dead content on arrival. If you're a main, just buy the weapons. If you're an iron, you're not saving any time whatsoever ever grinding for these weapons that cost 20 hours each. Just use arclight on krill and Demonic. Sad truth to this, it's dead content on release. Give it a week, and tormented demons will be dead asf. Simply not even remotely worth doing. Drop rate for weapons should be halfed at minimum
i havent seen anybody mention this or do this. so today on is it a glitch or feature!!: skipping the binding attack? if you time moving out of sight right as tds flashes his barrier hell kneel down u wanna move right before this, tds just switch without freezing you. it takes a lil bit to get it, but it just feels like skipping olm specials once you do it so it feels kind of intended
@@charles6408except they're not nearly as accurate. They have the potential to be better dps in longer fights where you don't care about the 3 specs taking longer, but you still have to hit with them lol
I tested these in almost max str on my main day of release. My conclusion was my ironman can max 59higher in 1 chally spec on large npc and on small npc itll multi target i dont see these being a middle ground/ better option/worth the time of day to grind@@charles6408
If they didnt want to put d claws onto tds then they should have atleast put the dragon lumps for the kite and platebody on their table removed from rune and addy dragons
Apparently the whole quest was bugged and jagex decided to hotfix boss mechanics causing my hcim to get one shot on a boss that barely did any damage to me when I did it on my main account. Probably the rest update with most issues since old school release
Was this the Mage boss by chance? I remember telling a friend after i'd done the quest that it did no damage as long as you had overheads up and he got obliterated 😂 RIP to your HC my friend
@@ScriticRS yes it was the mage boss. The first time I did it I didn’t do any of the mechanics correctly and it was easy as can be. So I decided to do it on my hcim while even doing the mechanics correctly and got stacked over 90 in one tick. I think that’s pretty unfair to just change it like that while even the wiki was saying overheads negate majority of damage
Burning claws are actually good… bis in toa sub 425 at baba, kephri and zebeck they are also bis at vasa crystal. Might wanna do some research before you state opinion….
Not convinced you watched the video. They're not worth the price-tag, that's all that was said. You might also want to have a little think before stating your opinion, nice one
As a iron, it's simply not worth the time investment. 20 hours for one weapon, for what? That's not saving me any time, verus just doing arclight at krill/ Demonic gorillas. Dead content on release 😂😂😂
Exactly what I'm thinking. I need sotd from krill but it's not even a mandatory item for irons. I heard the bow is supposed to be good there, but why am I gonna spend 20 hours trying to get it when I can get the drop in probably less than 20 hours with arclight or bowfa
@zlargo6491 yep, bowfa and zulrah are the only grinds you need for iron. Ironic that jagex keeps saying they want mid level grinds to help with the massive gap between meta and low level gear. But they make the mid level gear longer to grind and not even remotely worth stoping for it. As a iron, there's only one path to raids effectively. That's bowfa 87 slayer, 92 mining, 92 crafting zulrah, than raids. You can do TOA for fang, but that's it. Any other path would be extremely bad for your time.
@zlargo6491 which sucks because the time between starting your account, and raids is basically maxing a main 🤣🤣 or close to it. 2k hours at the very least
@@rwwars6948 I mean I was doing cox on my iron at like 105 combat. I was getting carried by close friends, but I was still getting a decent share of points still. I fully agree with what you're saying though
@zlargo6491 oh yeah same, I paid 600m to do ironman boosting cox for rigar and augery for my iron earlier 🤣🤣 cause fk doing content without those prayers
Bone claws not worth the price but they're better than Voidwaker almost everywhere Voidwaker is bis for spec? Watch Gnomokey's live stream from last night. 242 damage potential with 3 specs including burning damage over time. Dragon claws is 180 damage-ish.
I never played the quest in RS3. The last GM quest I did was DT2 and it BLEW ME AWAY. With all the hype, I was sure it was going to be amazing. It just wasn't. It was a weird, slightly boring, poorly aged, non-epic quest with weird designs for the enemies. The elemental and the demons look distinctively runescapey, not OSRS. The boss fights were at best Master level, and they hotfixed the last boss to require 3 combat styles, which lead to me sitting there in the fight for 10 minutes, unable to damage the boss because it wasn't tedious enough apparently. 5/10 quest, not worth the hype. Not worth it to grind the demons after the quest. Someone worked out that to get the claws, you are almost MAXING your combat stats just farming 1 mob. Even if that is a huge upgrade on the dds (it's not), it's not worth the time for mains of irons to farm. The table should be revised to a 1/50, then people might bother with it.
If only they dropped dragon claws. Personally since COX came out and people wanted claws from it, I've had the view that it's stupid that they come from the raid instead of where they are originally from
End game gear should come from the hardest content. Claws are arguably the best pvp spec weapon in the game, and obviously great for certain pvm content. Definitely shouldn't drop from a brainless mob like TD.
It's a GM quest meant for more end game players, at least mid to end game. The weapons themselves are outclassed before you can even get to the content. At least with a semi normal loot table they'll be okay money/hr when the drops settle to their eventual 1-2m price point which I don't think will take long in their current state. By the time even an Ironman gets to while guthix sleeps, they have no further need for demonbane weaponry
@@Unslainwell if that's what they're doing (it's not bc it's two totally different teams) why are the updates so bad and clearly not play tested? Lmao
@@zlargo6491 Oh dear, you must be out of touch with the market. Only people getting .20+ now are the sites/whale sellers. OSRS money is deflating by the day, people slowly quitting and gp being injected without a money sink.The account had a perm mute which is why I practically gave it away at the price I sold it. 2b of the 5b was scammed (who seen that coming from this games community). Also, don't forget this game ins't pulling in new players. Goodluck trying to sell you're gold when the players start hitting their 50's and start dying 😂
Petition to rename the burning/bone claws the Boning Claws to make everyone happy?
people calling it candy corn claws at this point
It's already in the notes on osrs website that they are changing it next week
Boner claws rename please cause the tormented demons miss theirs
May as well call them boner claws
Calem is on board...😂
Tormented demons are different enough from demonic gorillas.
Tormented demons on their own are simplified demonic gorillas, but you can kill multiple tormented demons at the same time to significantly increase the kills per hour and change how you approach the with more flicking and more actions per minute. Something which you can't do at demonics. The fact that it is optional makes it really intresting to me.
Sure the fundementals are the same, but their style and protection changes a lot less, and you can optionally up the difficulty by killing multiple at the same time.
Totally fair point!
@@ScriticRS I'd still like to add that I agree with a lot of your points in the video. They definitely need some tweaking. But I like to believe I see potential with the whole multi situation.
What do you mean you can't do it at demonic? You can absolutely kill more than 1 at a time in the multi area
Yeah nah there are already Demonics in multi bro???
Is this another take of a casual thats never actually killed these mobs lol???
Im 2.5k Demonic KC on my iron and these mobs make me wanna cry after finally getting all my zenytes.............
This shit should be fun???
@@zlargo6491 @DojuCG, tormented demons have special mechanics where being in combat with more than one is beneficial, demonics don’t (iirc), demonics are only cheesed in multi with multiple players with a tank character and DPS character which is uninteresting and different to tormented demons.
That’s is what i am trying to get at, and yes I have killed demonics, what a dumb argument.
Magic Shortbow UNSTRUNG by the way
Don't forget about rune dagger in a member only/grand master quest for high lvl players 🙌
IMPORTANT!!
If you watch the video of Gudi and test it with the Bone Claws it does work. Be careful with lures and people dropping you in their POH. YOU WILL LOSE YOUR GEAR.
- We tested this and it WORKS
Has anyone else encountered the tormented demons swapping attack styles after ever hit or two?
This has only happened to me when the demon wants to melee me but I got it stuck on something. Just turns into jad until you step into melee distance
In my experience Depends on where you stand, if they have melee active and your not in reach they switch to mage/range, if you step back near their hit box they switch styles again “assumed it was meant to change back to melee, but have had it change other styles.”
But your having them change combat styles mid fight standing beside them or away from them?
I died to this recently myself. Was standing far away from a group of them and tried to just hit one and make it step away from the others because I only wanted to fight one at a time. It started to walk to me to attack with melee but when it got to me it switched to magic then went back to melee. Was weird because I wasn't even running away. Hit for three 30s and dead lol.
hot take but i think it should be a hike there. part of the problem with osrs is that everyone wants a 1 click tp somewhere. its like a 2 min walk for a 30-1 hr farming session. its crazy to me.
"Where's he going?" Homie bouncing to go get milk 🤣
i think were forgetting that the quest also comes with a boss that also has bis necklace. I think the demons are good hold over until the new boss comes out. I dont have a problem with the new demons.
Edit: It also gives us an alternative to killing greater demons for slayer too. theyre kind of like an abby demon. Shit drops until its not.
I wish they didn't agro more then 1 if not atk more then 1 at a time. Got me k0 and it's not multi or singles plus
What boss are you talking about?
Did you make that up???? Whut?
Arraxor is not from this quest what are you talking about?
Always supporting these videos! Very informative and funny af! 😂
i just wanna point out when the burning claw prize stabalizes against squishy large hp pool mobs burning claws absolutely f*ck shit up
Except they're inaccurate as fuck
Oh no the drops are so niche they're only good at the one demon boss in the game that everybody calls "Demon Boss" because it's the only demon boss in the game 😢😢
Skotizo...Zammy...
1?
@@greenbean4422 No I mean the demon boss
@@AngryMole so are you intentionally stupid or by accident
I’ve been getting about 18kills a hour at 105combat, sitting at 86kc with no uniques and nothing to show for it but some adamant plate bodies. The time could be spent elsewhere making better gp. I loved Td’s in rs2, made my first b there with dragon claws. These are fun but miss the mark for a grandmaster quest.
To be honest the weapons are very one off uses at the moment as well. Would love to see a hotfix on Monday addressing regular loot.
An dear god remove the seed drop table, and herbs. How in the hell does a seed/herb not burn up on a fiery demon is beyond me.
Firstly, the loudest reactionary people on Reddit and Twitter are not exactly the most rational and level-headed majority playerbase that Jagex should be catering to.
My biggest gripe is the hike to even get there. Personally I think the hp/prayer sustain drops from TD’s that you can consume should be 1/16 in addition to the other drops, that way players don’t have to take a 5 minute trip to bank, poh, Tears of Guthix tele, long-ass cavern orb animation, hike into the temple, climb the rocks, then finally spend 10 minutes to fight four or five 600hp monsters before needing to bank again.
I rate the take! & ofc, people complaining aren’t a solid representation of the collective :)
I don't see how you get 10 minutes of fight time. I can sustain for an hour on divines and prayer potions alone. 5 anglers is more than enough to keep me sustained until I get the flesh/gland drops. Granted, I use a blood fury, but the point remains the same.
@@ryanrandolph6193if he isn't dodging the spell after the bind and not switching correctly after that to the right prayer he will get chunked out quickly but once you get that down you only need prayer restore. All damage can be avoided.
@@ryanrandolph6193 It's a writing technique called "exaggeration for effect" to emphasize that the TD's should drop more consumables to compensate for the long distance that it takes to get there.
It's fking dead content on arrival.
If you're a main, just buy the weapons. If you're an iron, you're not saving any time whatsoever ever grinding for these weapons that cost 20 hours each.
Just use arclight on krill and Demonic.
Sad truth to this, it's dead content on release. Give it a week, and tormented demons will be dead asf.
Simply not even remotely worth doing.
Drop rate for weapons should be halfed at minimum
Yeh man, they don’t have to release BIS weaponry every GM quest.
i havent seen anybody mention this or do this. so today on is it a glitch or feature!!: skipping the binding attack? if you time moving out of sight right as tds flashes his barrier hell kneel down u wanna move right before this, tds just switch without freezing you. it takes a lil bit to get it, but it just feels like skipping olm specials once you do it so it feels kind of intended
Burning claws should be 1/100 for the full set wtf
I will say that the burning claws are better than you think, 30% claw spec is pretty nice, I'd love it on my ironman
better is an understatement, burning claws are 15% better dps than dragon claws everywhere. its 100% getting nerfed
It's a great item, it's just not a 40-Million-GP-Great-Item
@@charles6408except they're not nearly as accurate. They have the potential to be better dps in longer fights where you don't care about the 3 specs taking longer, but you still have to hit with them lol
I tested these in almost max str on my main day of release. My conclusion was my ironman can max 59higher in 1 chally spec on large npc and on small npc itll multi target i dont see these being a middle ground/ better option/worth the time of day to grind@@charles6408
If they didnt want to put d claws onto tds then they should have atleast put the dragon lumps for the kite and platebody on their table removed from rune and addy dragons
I'm wondering when they're going to address the bug where using Demon bane spells causes your character to glitch out uncontrollably while casting
I think that's just the "animation smoothing" plugin in Runelite my friend, toggle it a sec
@@ScriticRS Will do, thanks for the tip!
jagex can release anything and people will complain
I think people are way to use to convince in terms of teleworking right to content.. its honestly not that bad of a run..
Apparently the whole quest was bugged and jagex decided to hotfix boss mechanics causing my hcim to get one shot on a boss that barely did any damage to me when I did it on my main account. Probably the rest update with most issues since old school release
Was this the Mage boss by chance? I remember telling a friend after i'd done the quest that it did no damage as long as you had overheads up and he got obliterated 😂 RIP to your HC my friend
@@ScriticRS yes it was the mage boss. The first time I did it I didn’t do any of the mechanics correctly and it was easy as can be. So I decided to do it on my hcim while even doing the mechanics correctly and got stacked over 90 in one tick. I think that’s pretty unfair to just change it like that while even the wiki was saying overheads negate majority of damage
Burning claws are actually good… bis in toa sub 425 at baba, kephri and zebeck they are also bis at vasa crystal. Might wanna do some research before you state opinion….
Any sources I can check out? Been unsure if I wanted to go out of my way for them if I have regular claws already
Not convinced you watched the video. They're not worth the price-tag, that's all that was said. You might also want to have a little think before stating your opinion, nice one
Voidwaker had a similar issue in regard to delayed damage and pking
As a iron, it's simply not worth the time investment.
20 hours for one weapon, for what? That's not saving me any time, verus just doing arclight at krill/ Demonic gorillas.
Dead content on release 😂😂😂
Exactly what I'm thinking. I need sotd from krill but it's not even a mandatory item for irons. I heard the bow is supposed to be good there, but why am I gonna spend 20 hours trying to get it when I can get the drop in probably less than 20 hours with arclight or bowfa
@zlargo6491 yep, bowfa and zulrah are the only grinds you need for iron. Ironic that jagex keeps saying they want mid level grinds to help with the massive gap between meta and low level gear.
But they make the mid level gear longer to grind and not even remotely worth stoping for it.
As a iron, there's only one path to raids effectively.
That's bowfa 87 slayer, 92 mining, 92 crafting zulrah, than raids. You can do TOA for fang, but that's it.
Any other path would be extremely bad for your time.
@zlargo6491 which sucks because the time between starting your account, and raids is basically maxing a main 🤣🤣 or close to it. 2k hours at the very least
@@rwwars6948 I mean I was doing cox on my iron at like 105 combat. I was getting carried by close friends, but I was still getting a decent share of points still. I fully agree with what you're saying though
@zlargo6491 oh yeah same, I paid 600m to do ironman boosting cox for rigar and augery for my iron earlier 🤣🤣 cause fk doing content without those prayers
Cant even switch worlds on mobile w/o it crashing…
Oh, that's a you problem
>Purging Staff
>not Staff of Purgation
come on now
purging like vomiting? RAD NAME.
Bro I saw the Gnome at warriors guild I wanted to undo the quest. Account ruined....
Bone claws not worth the price but they're better than Voidwaker almost everywhere Voidwaker is bis for spec? Watch Gnomokey's live stream from last night. 242 damage potential with 3 specs including burning damage over time. Dragon claws is 180 damage-ish.
Not saying I don't believe what you said but damage potential means nothing. In Max melee you could dds 400 damage in 4 specs potentially
I never played the quest in RS3. The last GM quest I did was DT2 and it BLEW ME AWAY.
With all the hype, I was sure it was going to be amazing. It just wasn't. It was a weird, slightly boring, poorly aged, non-epic quest with weird designs for the enemies. The elemental and the demons look distinctively runescapey, not OSRS.
The boss fights were at best Master level, and they hotfixed the last boss to require 3 combat styles, which lead to me sitting there in the fight for 10 minutes, unable to damage the boss because it wasn't tedious enough apparently.
5/10 quest, not worth the hype. Not worth it to grind the demons after the quest. Someone worked out that to get the claws, you are almost MAXING your combat stats just farming 1 mob. Even if that is a huge upgrade on the dds (it's not), it's not worth the time for mains of irons to farm. The table should be revised to a 1/50, then people might bother with it.
GOAT
Here we are again. Long time no see ❤
Laidee is the best npc in the game please dont change him
Amazing greentext edit
1st ever grandmaster? What about dtt 2?
We literally voted for them to be the same as they were before so its our fault lmao
Wait, are you saying that we're actually having to face the consequences of our own actions? 😤😤
If only they dropped dragon claws. Personally since COX came out and people wanted claws from it, I've had the view that it's stupid that they come from the raid instead of where they are originally from
End game gear should come from the hardest content. Claws are arguably the best pvp spec weapon in the game, and obviously great for certain pvm content.
Definitely shouldn't drop from a brainless mob like TD.
If they dropped dragon claws they would get devalued so fast it's not funny.
Got lucky last night, TS at 17 kc
What editing software do you use?
The full Adobe suite my friend but mostly Premiere Pro & After effects
@@ScriticRS thank you for responding, also how about for the thumbnails?
in 20 hours im better off at bandos for 20 hour, selling uniques and getting rare drops from demons off ge and having gp left over also on top.
The loot is fine. Not every mob needs to be a huge supply of GP even it comes from a GM quest.
It's a GM quest meant for more end game players, at least mid to end game. The weapons themselves are outclassed before you can even get to the content. At least with a semi normal loot table they'll be okay money/hr when the drops settle to their eventual 1-2m price point which I don't think will take long in their current state. By the time even an Ironman gets to while guthix sleeps, they have no further need for demonbane weaponry
@@zlargo6491 Loots fine
Nice
They should add Tormented Bracelet to the drop table.
The content is nice since it’s a more chill version of dgs, the drop tables are fine… idk this video feels like you didn’t have a singe unique thought
What makes you think the drop table is good lol. It's not worth spending there apart from slayer
The drop table is objectively trash. You can like fighting the mobs but don't be dumb
@@jamesn3122 I don’t mind when the drops are all bad besides the rare uniques
@@reptilewithsadhumaneyesya these clowns are acting like tormented demons don’t drop uniques. It’s just Reddit cry babies.
@@reptilewithsadhumaneyesokay and what about in 2 weeks when the uniques are 1-2m each bc they're so niche and the hourly money is under 1m 😂
losing faith in Jagex lately
They are focusing less and less on RS3 then putting all their ideas into osrs. Same company. It's jagex.
@@Unslain i meant OSRS not RS3, RS3 is fine no issue there
@@Unslainwell if that's what they're doing (it's not bc it's two totally different teams) why are the updates so bad and clearly not play tested? Lmao
I sold my 5b gp and max account for $1k 4 months ago and haven't looked back, shit game with a shit community. Still watching your videos though
Scammed yourself then
@@jackwolstenholme8213 no u are by playing a shit game and wasting your life far better games out there with a proper community and better gameplay
Must be a bunch of people doing this, that's where all these guys with max gear that die at zebak are coming from lmao.
You could've sold just the gold for 1k. Account would've been a lot more 😂
@@zlargo6491 Oh dear, you must be out of touch with the market. Only people getting .20+ now are the sites/whale sellers. OSRS money is deflating by the day, people slowly quitting and gp being injected without a money sink.The account had a perm mute which is why I practically gave it away at the price I sold it. 2b of the 5b was scammed (who seen that coming from this games community). Also, don't forget this game ins't pulling in new players. Goodluck trying to sell you're gold when the players start hitting their 50's and start dying 😂