I'm sitting here in Warthunder naval in my French Battleship watching Elinor talk about battleships..... Thank you so much, Derek and Elinor, and the Shipwreck Armada! You guys are awesome!
Never forget right after "Mighty Mo" moved to her new home in Pearl Harbor, then President George H W Bush gave a speech to commemorate the events of December 7th. When he made the comment about "looking over the wreck of USS Arizona- where the war began, and looking at USS Missouri where the war ended," I was very moved. Nice work as always Elinor- Thank you!
4:40 Heck yeah, I'd love a video on Scapa Flow, especially coverage of the U-47/Royal Oak confrontation there. It could be a FFF video as Scapa Flow was far from any town and we all know how much sailors love "Liberty Cities." BTW, USS Olympia wasn't mentioned. It is technically a "cruiser" but it is a Spanish American War museum ship docked in Philadelphia.
We figured out the plane vs. ship stuff in WWI, too, which is kinda hilarious. (Bismarck got taken out by a WWI bi-plane) The military doesn't like to keep up with the times, as much as they push r&d that progresses society. They only stopped teaching bayonet training in 2010. Bayonet. Training. From like... the napoleonic era and not really used since WWI, with the design of turning a (specifically long) rifle into a short spear. The fact that they were trying to teach that on a freaking compact assault rifle (spoiler, it didn't work for crap) for guys setting out for the recent war in Afghanistan is a pretty great example of how behind the times our military can be in weird ways. 😂
Great first video in a new series 😊 I must confess, with weather moving through, I forgot about it & tuned in late😂 For some reason I've loved trying to learn about naval ships, this was an interesting opening video. Looking forward to more videos in the future for the new series!🙂🙂
@@shipwrecksunday my bad for not explaining myself better🙂 Yeah, I remember you saying that before 🙂 I meant for the first video in the series, I thought a military ship was fitting, albeit not necessarily US military ships🙂
Der heart, you forgot the Vanguard. The last battleship built, surely worth a mention? H.M.S. Dreadnought, was the first and H.M.S. Vanguard the last; both for the same navy:-) Now to celebrate your triumphant first (and so very good it was) I think we need....CHAMPAGNE!😂
@@shipwrecksunday they are magnificent vessels. I wish the US hadn't used so many other historic ships in nuclear tests as Nagato, Prinz Eugen and so many more vessels wasted at Bikini would have been amazing Museum Ships.
Yes I hope some other viewers go for this one as well. So much to cover from how it started, the German scuttling of 1919 and the HMS Royal Oak in WW2...
My father was a Navy man during Korea. I do remember in his memoirs he related his excitement when he was given the message to take to his commander on the bridge that the "Mighty Mo" had arrived on station. He avidly followed naval battles and history during World War 2 (trying to run away and enlist even!), and just seeing that battleship pull in on station was a highlight of that year's extra service he had to pull when Korea broke out. I wish he could have lived to have seen her at Pearl Harbor. He would certainly have appreciated the juxtaposition of the Arizona and the Missouri.
Rest in peace to your father and I thank him for his service! That must've been quite the sight for him! I'd be excited, too, if I were him! Cheers to you, and to your father! ❤
You have a great voice for this sort of story telling. And the opening prose sounds like it could be narration from a historical themed pc game. You ever done voiceovers?
The Yamato was not the most powerful. She just had the biggest guns. That didn’t stop her from becoming one of the largest man made artificial reef. Both the Wisconsin and Mo are actually in the mothball. Still to this day. Those two could be restored. Funny thing about the New Jerseys dry dock means she could be added as well. Nothing can change the topography like an Iowa class. See I think they add a try me tactic to the US Navy.
Oh yeah new series cant belive ive been here for the journeys If you could save a battleship and all lives on it what one(s) would you choose Also this is not meant to be rude and i hope it does not come off that way
@@shipwrecksunday as weird as it is to put what I truly meant into words... best I can give is that the history is not affected by the choice just that the ship and crew just don't die? I rlly don't know if I even made sense with my original comment so sorry bout that
Elinor, that painting at about 9:40 is actually the HMS PRINCE OF WALES maneuvering out of the way of HOOD, which had just exploded. The next pic is of BISMARCK firing Turret "Bruno" during the engagement with HOOD and PRINCE OF WALES. She wasn't on fire in that pic. You have a great channel, and it is cool that you are fascinated by these ships! Keep up the good work. If you haven't been to Portsmouth Dockyard, you should go if you can. You can check out two older battleships HMS VICTORY and HMS WARRIOR.
Thank you so much for your corrections!! I really appreciate you helping me as a creator and the channel improve!! Cheers, friend! I'll have to make my way over the pond!
@@shipwrecksunday Not trying to be a nit-picker, and I hope I didn't come across that way. I am from the US, but a trip to Portsmouth Dockyard is a must if you are interested in large/big gun ships!
@@davidstevens6117 Not at all! I always appreciate hearing what can be corrected or improved! Man, I'll really have to look into that! I'm from the US, as well, and the furthest east I've ever been is New York City!
Our family naval tradition ended in the Falklands. The uncle of my grandmother died there 1914. Fun fact about the ships scuttled at Scapa Flow: only a few are left. Their metal is so called low-background steel, since it was from a pre-atomic age and was used for sensible instruments like Geiger counter.
Maybe I am showing my age by saying this comment….. but I mean it with the utmost respect & kindness, as I am very very impressed with such a FANTASTIC job! It is so refreshing to see 1:00 a channel with subject matter, of which is usually associated with only men, be covered & completed by a lady who is EVERY BIT AS COMPETENT as a man relating the fact/educational materials 4:44
yes its true that battle ships are no longer needed. but the navy still has a mission. Aircraft carriers, destroyers, and submarine are not going any ware soon. A great video Elinor. 😎💚💙👍👍🍺🍺🍻
All Four Iowa's are museum ships now, as you listed later but your statement on USS Missouri was misleading as it suggested it was alone. The NJ is in drydock with getting haul repairs and painting, nearly done now at the former Philadelphia Navy Yard then to return to her base down the river in NJ.
If China attacks Taiwan I would expect various warships to be front and center. So whether warships are obsolete or not will depend on the geography. This is a bit like the never-ending "tanks are obsolete" debate.
Great video of a very complicated subject. I was a little disappointed that the Royal Navy did not feature more in the narrative. The first battleships at war sunk by air attack were Italian. They were sunk in Taranto Harbor by Swordfish torpedo bombers from the Royal Navy aircraft carrier HMS Illustrious November 1940. The first capital ships to be sunk by air attack while under war and able to defend themselves was Force Z. This consisted of the new battleship HMS Prince of Wales and the battlecruiser HMS Repulse. They were sunk by Japanese land based planes off the coast of Malaya, 10th December 1941.
While the Battle of the Denmark Strait was a pretty prominent fight between battleships and battlecruisers, you did leave out one final battle between battleships: the Battle of Surigao Strait, of course part of the greater Battle of Leyte Gulf. The last battleline action in history where 6 American Standard-type battleships (5 of whom were present during the Attack on Pearl Harbor; Pennsylvania, Tennessee, California, Maryland and West Virginia) under the command of Rear-Admiral Jesse Oldendorf, fought against Admiral Shoji Nishimura's "Southern Force" which consisted of the 2 Fuso-class super-dreadnaughts Fuso, herself, and her sister ship Yamashiro. The heavy cruiser Mogami, and the 4 destroyers Shigure, Michishio, Asagumo and Yamagumo.
@@shipwrecksunday Hey, 20th century battleships and battlecruisers and the battles they were in are my hobby. Out of all the battleships that were built and commissioned, the Iowa-class are my personal favorite. Of course, it could've been the Montana-class battleships if they were built. I toured USS New Jersey back in the summer of 2021. Before that, I've never seen nor set foot on a battleship in my life. the experience was something else.
The ship in the foreground in the painting that shows HMS Hood sinking is HMS Prince of Wales, not Bismarck. The subsequent photograph shows Bismarck firing her guns.
Battleships never went away. They dropped the armor, switched their large caliber guns to missiles and become submersible. Modern Subs, especially in the USA navy are Capital Ships that cost Hundreds of millions of dollars to make and maintain. Just like battleships did. Subs in the USA used to be named after fish but as they become more Strategic over tactical (nukes) they started naming the Subs after States Just like The US used to name their battleships after States. Almost every Sub is named after a State or Politician of some note, just like every Fleet Carrier is named after either a President or a politician. (Other than the Enterprize and the Doris Miller) The US Navy downplays how important Subs are in their Fleet. Mostly they talk about the Fleet carriers, but the Subs and the Amphibious ships (Former gator navy) are just as important as the Fleet carriers. But yeah, Subs are the battleships of the today. Battleship shore bombarded will always be missed, a Motor would probably still be useful for that role.
@@PatrickYule-u9j great point! I love how you put this! I love a solid argument, and I love how you put this together. Thank you so much for adding to the conversation with this rebuttal! Submarines are so well prepared these days, and I think they definitely took pointers from not only previous iterations of submarines but also battleships, destroyers, cruisers, all of it. They really have the best of both worlds. Cheers!
@@shipwrecksunday wasn't Scorpion kinda the same thing as the Thresher? Went beyond the crushing depth due to whatever reason and then was bye-bye due to pressure? Maybe I'm wrong, that's why I'm asking
What do you guys think of Fast Facts Friday?! ✨👀
Awesome job!! Elinor 😊👍
I cannot believe I have lived without it...what was the question again? Hic:-)
Ah' let me see.
It was Fast .
Their were quite a few Facts.
And it was Friday.
I'd say it was
FUN!😊
@@JayPerry-p2n Thanks so much!
Awesome 👍👍👍
I'm sitting here in Warthunder naval in my French Battleship watching Elinor talk about battleships.....
Thank you so much, Derek and Elinor, and the Shipwreck Armada! You guys are awesome!
Thank you for watching!! ❤️
Never forget right after "Mighty Mo" moved to her new home in Pearl Harbor, then President George H W Bush gave a speech to commemorate the events of December 7th.
When he made the comment about "looking over the wreck of USS Arizona- where the war began, and looking at USS Missouri where the war ended," I was very moved.
Nice work as always Elinor- Thank you!
Well said by the first President Bush! Thanks so much for watching!
4:40 Heck yeah, I'd love a video on Scapa Flow, especially coverage of the U-47/Royal Oak confrontation there. It could be a FFF video as Scapa Flow was far from any town and we all know how much sailors love "Liberty Cities." BTW, USS Olympia wasn't mentioned. It is technically a "cruiser" but it is a Spanish American War museum ship docked in Philadelphia.
Hell yeah! I'd love to do Scapa Flow! Thank you for mentioning USS Olympia ❤️
I like this new series! Excellent work!
Thanks so much!! Cheers!
We figured out the plane vs. ship stuff in WWI, too, which is kinda hilarious. (Bismarck got taken out by a WWI bi-plane) The military doesn't like to keep up with the times, as much as they push r&d that progresses society. They only stopped teaching bayonet training in 2010. Bayonet. Training. From like... the napoleonic era and not really used since WWI, with the design of turning a (specifically long) rifle into a short spear. The fact that they were trying to teach that on a freaking compact assault rifle (spoiler, it didn't work for crap) for guys setting out for the recent war in Afghanistan is a pretty great example of how behind the times our military can be in weird ways. 😂
Lmao I never knew that, but it makes sense! Thank you for this perspective!
Great first video in a new series 😊
I must confess, with weather moving through, I forgot about it & tuned in late😂
For some reason I've loved trying to learn about naval ships, this was an interesting opening video.
Looking forward to more videos in the future for the new series!🙂🙂
Thanks so much! They won't all be Navy based, but they will all be topics like this that don't typically work around one centralized ship!
@@shipwrecksunday my bad for not explaining myself better🙂
Yeah, I remember you saying that before 🙂
I meant for the first video in the series, I thought a military ship was fitting, albeit not necessarily US military ships🙂
@@Chevyman02 no problem! ❤️ Just wanted to make sure I wasn't being unclear, myself!! ❤️
Ive been on the USS Massachusetts, USS Cobia , and UBoat 505 , in the past plus my Ship CVA 60 . Good Video Elinor!! 🇺🇸
Amazing! I've toured USS Missouri and USS Bowfin, both in Pearl Harbor! Thanks so much!!
Hurrah! Belated happy birthday Derrick!
Thanks so much!!
Pretty cool episode Shipwrecker 👍
Thank you so much!!!
@@shipwrecksunday No problem Shipwrecker 😁👍
Can't wait to see tomorrow's episode about the Scorpion👍
@@steveshattuck8128 we'll have to wait one more day! It will be up Sunday like normal 😁
@@shipwrecksunday Damn I'm a day ahead 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The Musashi was sunk on the way to Leyte Gulf (Yamato's sistership), the Yamato was sunk on the way to Okinawa later in the war.
Yes she was! I made a video on her as well ❤️ thank you for your correction ❤️
Der heart, you forgot the Vanguard. The last battleship built, surely worth a mention? H.M.S. Dreadnought, was the first and H.M.S. Vanguard the last; both for the same navy:-) Now to celebrate your triumphant first (and so very good it was) I think we need....CHAMPAGNE!😂
Ah, yes! How could I have forgotten! Vanguard was absolutely wonderful! And I think champagne is in order 😂😂
Great video! I love this and USS Texas
Thanks so much! ❤️
Nice new series. I can’t wait for the next episode.
Thank you!!
I have actually been on all eight of the Battleships on display in the US. Used to camp on the Alabama as a kid.
Okay, now THAT is awesome! Super jealous!
@@shipwrecksunday they are magnificent vessels. I wish the US hadn't used so many other historic ships in nuclear tests as Nagato, Prinz Eugen and so many more vessels wasted at Bikini would have been amazing Museum Ships.
Excellent video 👍👍👍
And yes please on Scapa Flow...
Thanks so much! I'd love to cover Scapa Flow!
Yes I hope some other viewers go for this one as well. So much to cover from how it started, the German scuttling of 1919 and the HMS Royal Oak in WW2...
My father was a Navy man during Korea. I do remember in his memoirs he related his excitement when he was given the message to take to his commander on the bridge that the "Mighty Mo" had arrived on station. He avidly followed naval battles and history during World War 2 (trying to run away and enlist even!), and just seeing that battleship pull in on station was a highlight of that year's extra service he had to pull when Korea broke out. I wish he could have lived to have seen her at Pearl Harbor. He would certainly have appreciated the juxtaposition of the Arizona and the Missouri.
Rest in peace to your father and I thank him for his service! That must've been quite the sight for him! I'd be excited, too, if I were him! Cheers to you, and to your father! ❤
You have a great voice for this sort of story telling. And the opening prose sounds like it could be narration from a historical themed pc game. You ever done voiceovers?
Thanks so much! I have not, but I would love to!
The Yamato was not the most powerful. She just had the biggest guns. That didn’t stop her from becoming one of the largest man made artificial reef. Both the Wisconsin and Mo are actually in the mothball. Still to this day. Those two could be restored. Funny thing about the New Jerseys dry dock means she could be added as well. Nothing can change the topography like an Iowa class. See I think they add a try me tactic to the US Navy.
You have a GREAT point. Thank you for making that and for always adding to the conversation, my friend! Great to see you! ❤️
Nice job. Now is the Missouri the one they say is haunted?
I believe so!
Oh yeah new series cant belive ive been here for the journeys
If you could save a battleship and all lives on it what one(s) would you choose
Also this is not meant to be rude and i hope it does not come off that way
Oh, man, that's a hard question! I'd love to pick them all, but a knee jerk reaction would be USS Indianapolis!
@@shipwrecksunday as weird as it is to put what I truly meant into words... best I can give is that the history is not affected by the choice just that the ship and crew just don't die? I rlly don't know if I even made sense with my original comment so sorry bout that
Elinor, that painting at about 9:40 is actually the HMS PRINCE OF WALES maneuvering out of the way of HOOD, which had just exploded. The next pic is of BISMARCK firing Turret "Bruno" during the engagement with HOOD and PRINCE OF WALES. She wasn't on fire in that pic. You have a great channel, and it is cool that you are fascinated by these ships! Keep up the good work. If you haven't been to Portsmouth Dockyard, you should go if you can. You can check out two older battleships HMS VICTORY and HMS WARRIOR.
Thank you so much for your corrections!! I really appreciate you helping me as a creator and the channel improve!! Cheers, friend! I'll have to make my way over the pond!
@@shipwrecksunday Not trying to be a nit-picker, and I hope I didn't come across that way. I am from the US, but a trip to Portsmouth Dockyard is a must if you are interested in large/big gun ships!
@@davidstevens6117 Not at all! I always appreciate hearing what can be corrected or improved! Man, I'll really have to look into that! I'm from the US, as well, and the furthest east I've ever been is New York City!
Our family naval tradition ended in the Falklands. The uncle of my grandmother died there 1914. Fun fact about the ships scuttled at Scapa Flow: only a few are left. Their metal is so called low-background steel, since it was from a pre-atomic age and was used for sensible instruments like Geiger counter.
I'm so sorry to hear about your family member who passed away in the Falklands! Rest in peace to him. With Scapa Flow, that is simply fascinating!!
Maybe I am showing my age by saying this comment….. but I mean it with the utmost respect & kindness, as I am very very impressed with such a FANTASTIC job! It is so refreshing to see 1:00 a channel with subject matter, of which is usually associated with only men, be covered & completed by a lady who is EVERY BIT AS COMPETENT as a man relating the fact/educational materials 4:44
Thank you so much! I really appreciate that! ❤️ It is typically a Male-dominated passion and I just so happen to also love it! Cheers! ❤️
yes its true that battle ships are no longer needed. but the navy still has a mission. Aircraft carriers, destroyers, and submarine are not going any ware soon. A great video Elinor. 😎💚💙👍👍🍺🍺🍻
It's very true!! Thanks so much!
All Four Iowa's are museum ships now, as you listed later but your statement on USS Missouri was misleading as it suggested it was alone. The NJ is in drydock with getting haul repairs and painting, nearly done now at the former Philadelphia Navy Yard then to return to her base down the river in NJ.
Thank you for adding that! I appreciate your sincere, honest critique! ❤️
I've been on the Iowa. She's in Los Angeles.
Amazing! I'd love to see her!
If China attacks Taiwan I would expect various warships to be front and center. So whether warships are obsolete or not will depend on the geography. This is a bit like the never-ending "tanks are obsolete" debate.
That's true!
Great video of a very complicated subject. I was a little disappointed that the Royal Navy did not feature more in the narrative. The first battleships at war sunk by air attack were Italian. They were sunk in Taranto Harbor by Swordfish torpedo bombers from the Royal Navy aircraft carrier HMS Illustrious November 1940. The first capital ships to be sunk by air attack while under war and able to defend themselves was Force Z. This consisted of the new battleship HMS Prince of Wales and the battlecruiser HMS Repulse. They were sunk by Japanese land based planes off the coast of Malaya, 10th December 1941.
@@brianspendelow840 thanks so much!! And thank you for including this information here!
@@shipwrecksunday There are differences between the American version of WW 2 and the British. I am a New Zealander who is familar with both.
Excellent show as always Eleanor i wouldn't expect any different from you
Thank you so much!! 😁
While the Battle of the Denmark Strait was a pretty prominent fight between battleships and battlecruisers, you did leave out one final battle between battleships: the Battle of Surigao Strait, of course part of the greater Battle of Leyte Gulf. The last battleline action in history where 6 American Standard-type battleships (5 of whom were present during the Attack on Pearl Harbor; Pennsylvania, Tennessee, California, Maryland and West Virginia) under the command of Rear-Admiral Jesse Oldendorf, fought against Admiral Shoji Nishimura's "Southern Force" which consisted of the 2 Fuso-class super-dreadnaughts Fuso, herself, and her sister ship Yamashiro. The heavy cruiser Mogami, and the 4 destroyers Shigure, Michishio, Asagumo and Yamagumo.
Thank you for pointing this out! I appreciate your knowledge on this subject and love that you added this to the information!!
@@shipwrecksunday Hey, 20th century battleships and battlecruisers and the battles they were in are my hobby. Out of all the battleships that were built and commissioned, the Iowa-class are my personal favorite. Of course, it could've been the Montana-class battleships if they were built. I toured USS New Jersey back in the summer of 2021. Before that, I've never seen nor set foot on a battleship in my life. the experience was something else.
The ship in the foreground in the painting that shows HMS Hood sinking is HMS Prince of Wales, not Bismarck. The subsequent photograph shows Bismarck firing her guns.
Thank you so much for the correction here ❤️
You're a great story teller 👍👍
Thanks so much!!
Battleships never went away. They dropped the armor, switched their large caliber guns to missiles and become submersible.
Modern Subs, especially in the USA navy are Capital Ships that cost Hundreds of millions of dollars to make and maintain. Just like battleships did.
Subs in the USA used to be named after fish but as they become more Strategic over tactical (nukes) they started naming the Subs after States Just like The US used to name their battleships after States. Almost every Sub is named after a State or Politician of some note, just like every Fleet Carrier is named after either a President or a politician. (Other than the Enterprize and the Doris Miller)
The US Navy downplays how important Subs are in their Fleet. Mostly they talk about the Fleet carriers, but the Subs and the Amphibious ships (Former gator navy) are just as important as the Fleet carriers.
But yeah, Subs are the battleships of the today. Battleship shore bombarded will always be missed, a Motor would probably still be useful for that role.
@@PatrickYule-u9j great point! I love how you put this! I love a solid argument, and I love how you put this together. Thank you so much for adding to the conversation with this rebuttal!
Submarines are so well prepared these days, and I think they definitely took pointers from not only previous iterations of submarines but also battleships, destroyers, cruisers, all of it. They really have the best of both worlds. Cheers!
Can't wait for Scorpion: that sub crushed like a Coke can.
It didn't crunch as badly as something like the Titan submersible, but it was absolutely devastating for her crew!
@@shipwrecksunday wasn't Scorpion kinda the same thing as the Thresher? Went beyond the crushing depth due to whatever reason and then was bye-bye due to pressure? Maybe I'm wrong, that's why I'm asking
@@TDR1990 that's my thought - some compartments are still relatively in tact, but it definitely looks imploded!