My original intention was to reach the remote section of the track when finding the 9.3 second (and eventually 9.2x") lap version. Skipping a lap was a pleasant surprise, though not entirely unexpected, as the original Super Mario Kart already had known skips of a similar nature. There are indeed multiple other spots in the track which advance you forward in seemingly unexpected ways, even when you intend to play it non-shortcut on rather "standard" paths often played in Vs. / GP mode. Be on the lookout when you are shelled off the track or accidentally fall off while playing against others. The track is quite broken...
Just want to say I love your videos. Been a fan for a while now. The even BIGGER thing I want to say is how satisfied I am that this video is exactly 30 minutes long. The OCD itch is satiated.
I really liked the technical explanations, with the deeper dive the code and how it gets executed. Also it‘s insane, that a perfect lap is possible. If I were the kid described in the intro, I‘d assume literal wizardry.
To think this whole thing could have been avoided from using double floats for all things related to time calculations, lol Simply amazing. Reminds me of Super Mario 64 converting floats to integers and vice versa for calculating Mario's coordinates on the map, the same sort of weird behaviour occurs over long distances and/or very small numbers rounded up or down.
I suspect it also could have been avoided somewhat if the constant added each frame were single-precision, and I'm guessing it was *meant* to be. It was probably stored only in a #define macro in the original C, where the difference is simply that e.g 3.14 is by default double precision and to get single precision you need to put 3.14f -- and when adding two variables of mismatched types it automatically converts the smaller typed variable to the larger type. Of course, this will still generate a warning or even error on any decent compiler when this new double precision value is assigned to a single-precision variable, unless you explicitly convert it back to single precision first. Which someone probably did to shut the compiler up without thinking for one second about the fact that it shouldn't be necessary and this meant something was wrong.
Wow man, been watching for a while and it's incredible how your content has evolved. Your MK stuff is great and this vid in particular is one of the most detailed yet well explained "old game buggy lmao" vids I've ever seen. Looking forward to the next one!
The world of Speedrunning is as fascinating as ever. I don't understand a single word of the technical explanations behind it all, but I still have mad respect for all the work and devotion that goes into all this. Thanks for the amazing video!
A correction regarding the versions. There were three regional versions, Japan, USA and Europe. NTSC was for both NA and Japan (also for most of south America), PAL was for Europe and Australia.
I am pretty sure the version referred to in this case was specifically which ones were running at 60hz and 50hz, so in this case it is indeed technically 2 different timing to accommodate between regions, since both Japan and North American run on NTSC standard anyway.
Yeah you just pick a game that isn't shattered to the point of minutes and then make a normal video, or like worst case scenario you do a commentary over the footage
Their insane attention to detail of the game, how it works, and the application to cause glitches which slowly improves the overall comprehension of each map is amazing. Let alone your ability to understand, interpret, and to then explain the information with comprehensive visual animations and data is a great skill man, keep it up!
Its interesting how the goal is a perfect run, though we've almost never seen it for real with how far off it seems for 99% of games. Something we kind of put off as what happens when we get the perfect run? What happens when you finished a meal to the point the plate has not a crumb left? Both so utterly destroyed theres nothing left to do.
Usually what happens I suspect is the runner who got it moves on to other categories and other people attempt to tie it. Of course sometimes you also have to do some detailed analysis to prove that it's perfect to disprove multiple claims of better times, as happened with Atari 2600 Drag Race. But yeah I expect if Niftske perfects Super Mario Bros 1, he'll either focus on warpless or try to optimize the PAL version which can theoretically be faster than a perfect NTSC run but is quite difficult to get even close (the current PAL WR is 5:05 though Niftske could probably break 5:00 pretty quick)
Awesome video! I love learning about speedrun strats and you put it in a really clear way. First video of yours that ive seen and youve definently got my sub
@@SaltpeterTaffy I admit, I commented a bit early on this video. I'm also casual when it comes to speedrunning. I apologize for my mistakes on the subject.
@@SaltpeterTaffy lol. Bismuth, Abyssoft, Summoning Salt, Karl Jobst. They explain it in a way I understand. And they can just hook me in somehow with speedrunning. Going fast just awakens something in the old brain I guess lol.
Well... If you are only speaking about records in video-games, maybe. But our world is unfortunaly very screwed up. It's not our bad luck that destroy the climat, for exemple 😁
I always wondered about this scenario, and actually seeing it is really bittersweet. On the one hand, the record can never be improved again, the course in terms of speedrunning has nothing left to offer us, but on the other hand, it means we got to witness the entire history of the course before our very eyes (at least in this category) and we got to witness the perfect run.
Yeah, I always thought it was funny N64 carts would have “Be Kind, Rewind” stickers on them. How am I supposed to rewind an N64 cart? Dang it, I’m gonna get fined.
I remember I dated a girl who had Mario Kart Double Dash and her ex's time trial scores were on there, so I decided to beat them; because I'm a petty asshole.
Oh man my cousins lived behind the rental place and every weekend we would ride our bikes up there and rent this! If it was there. And we rented all the Bevis and butthead episodes lol
imma be real. landing in the valley and crossing finish line was like oh. neat exploiting a flag or something. but then you said it sits in this part of the memory and something about a bit blew my f'ing mind. like doing it is one thing but figuring out why like that is absurd.
Fun 'fact' PAL stands for Programable Analog Logic; a chip which is common in Europe and rare in America. NTFC stands for NoT Findable Chip and likewise is common in America and rare in Europe.
11:30 wtf, just store it as an int, of frames since start! then for display, convert to a double-precision float, multiply by the conversion factor (rather than adding the conversion factor every frame, we add 1), do the transformations to get it in minutes:seconds format, and put it on the screen! The converted number undoubtedly has some small amount of possible rounding error, which is why we discard it at the end of the frame, and why we hold onto the int instead since it has no imprecision
When cutting to a black screen after an important moment, I suggest to keep the music on for a bit longer with a longer dissolve. The 2 cuts like that in this video are a bit harsh Great video btw, this is just something super minor
I love how Forest was considered an unknown despite having skill in the game because they didn't want to accept the Wii virtual console. By accept I mean even as an alternative to the original version as a separate category.
He linked Novadrome and Vividity in the description of the video. The URL links didn't work for me on mobile but likely that song is from those artists?
Þere also is a 0.01 second lap time in MK7 in þe Wuhu Island course where you don't enter þe volcano (I forgot þe name). It's a 1 lap course where you can skip þe finish line between þe second and þird segment and boþ finish immediately after one anoþer at þe final finish line
@@Nikola_M feels wrong. i thought english had used the eth before as well. and we definitely use the voiceless and voiced dental fricative in modern english
@@Amelzo Yes, but there are bugs which allow you to have a (shown) lap time of 0.00 seconds... So may these are only the display errors and the time is not 0.00 seconds.
most of them did, but sometimes "extra data" needed to be saved to the controller-mounted MemoryPak instead...for example, MarioKart64 saves the TIMES to the cartridge, but the GHOSTS need a MemoryPak (because its one thing to just store a Number in memory; its another thing entirely, to record a player's movements Exactly, to be "raced against" later)
Bro holy crap. I never even realized its probably been at least 10+ years since anyone has acquired a game with save data. That used to be a staple for me, I always made my account on Save file 2 because I always bought off the return shelf at gamestop
I forget if I've asked this before. Abyssoft, are you a Maritimer? 8:42 and around there I feel like I'm hearing a strong Maritime Canadian accent. "Time", "Line", and "Marker" sound very Newfoundland lol. For the record, I love it, I just really honed in on it after that time-stamp and can't stop hearing it lol. I bet anyone who wants to take it, a fair bet I'm not Googling first, $100 Canadian that Abyssoft grew up in Newfoundland (and Labrador). I could use the money and I'm so sure I'm right lol. You have to internally accept the bet before Googling the answer. I'll know. Edit: My second, unofficial guess for betting purposes, as I keep listening to him, is PEI. That's Prince Edward Island to you non-Canadians. That's just for pride. First honest guess was Newfoundland. Just started hearing PEI more as I listen.
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My original intention was to reach the remote section of the track when finding the 9.3 second (and eventually 9.2x") lap version. Skipping a lap was a pleasant surprise, though not entirely unexpected, as the original Super Mario Kart already had known skips of a similar nature.
There are indeed multiple other spots in the track which advance you forward in seemingly unexpected ways, even when you intend to play it non-shortcut on rather "standard" paths often played in Vs. / GP mode. Be on the lookout when you are shelled off the track or accidentally fall off while playing against others. The track is quite broken...
Yo, it's the man from the video
Crazy
Thank you for your dedication over all these years.
You are a star ⭐!
I appreciate you lining up 9:08 in game with 9:08 on the video.
yes
Just want to say I love your videos. Been a fan for a while now. The even BIGGER thing I want to say is how satisfied I am that this video is exactly 30 minutes long. The OCD itch is satiated.
It took me 3.71 seconds to read this comment
The transition at 10:59 was a little jarring but it wasn't too bad
Is this NTSC or PAL though?
@@becausesakamoto5938 How do you know? HUH? WANNA FIGHT OR SOMETHING?💔⛓️😞😭
I really liked the technical explanations, with the deeper dive the code and how it gets executed.
Also it‘s insane, that a perfect lap is possible. If I were the kid described in the intro, I‘d assume literal wizardry.
To think this whole thing could have been avoided from using double floats for all things related to time calculations, lol
Simply amazing.
Reminds me of Super Mario 64 converting floats to integers and vice versa for calculating Mario's coordinates on the map, the same sort of weird behaviour occurs over long distances and/or very small numbers rounded up or down.
to be fair, under normal circumstances you wouldn't run across the wacky long distance bugs in SM64
@@alecrutz956 true to that, it takes a lot of work just to break Mario to this level of insanity haha!
I suspect it also could have been avoided somewhat if the constant added each frame were single-precision, and I'm guessing it was *meant* to be. It was probably stored only in a #define macro in the original C, where the difference is simply that e.g
3.14 is by default double precision and to get single precision you need to put 3.14f -- and when adding two variables of mismatched types it automatically converts the smaller typed variable to the larger type.
Of course, this will still generate a warning or even error on any decent compiler when this new double precision value is assigned to a single-precision variable, unless you explicitly convert it back to single precision first. Which someone probably did to shut the compiler up without thinking for one second about the fact that it shouldn't be necessary and this meant something was wrong.
you actually explained the spheres moving resulting in a .01 time very very well. so well done there and cool vid
Wow man, been watching for a while and it's incredible how your content has evolved. Your MK stuff is great and this vid in particular is one of the most detailed yet well explained "old game buggy lmao" vids I've ever seen. Looking forward to the next one!
The world of Speedrunning is as fascinating as ever. I don't understand a single word of the technical explanations behind it all, but I still have mad respect for all the work and devotion that goes into all this. Thanks for the amazing video!
Man I’m not a speed runner but you make it so interesting.
I can’t stop watching
A correction regarding the versions. There were three regional versions, Japan, USA and Europe. NTSC was for both NA and Japan (also for most of south America), PAL was for Europe and Australia.
I am pretty sure the version referred to in this case was specifically which ones were running at 60hz and 50hz, so in this case it is indeed technically 2 different timing to accommodate between regions, since both Japan and North American run on NTSC standard anyway.
@@VinsCool it's still funny to me that half of Japan is 50 hz and half is 60 hz
there's also a chinese version for the ique player.
@@BASEDSAKRI Yep, the footage shown on 0:16 is in Chinese
New ChallengE:
You make a video about the #1 speedrun slot of any given game, but your video has to be as long as the speedrun or faster.
@@Mathster321 New impossible challenge for you: don't be annoying
Yeah you just pick a game that isn't shattered to the point of minutes and then make a normal video, or like worst case scenario you do a commentary over the footage
This challenge, but make the video shorter than the speedrun.
Now that's a true challenge.
@@TornaitSuperBird Well Clue's record is around half a second so if Abyssoft can get a whole video in 11 frames then he's either crazy or a genius
@@Robeebertsomething achievable please
Their insane attention to detail of the game, how it works, and the application to cause glitches which slowly improves the overall comprehension of each map is amazing. Let alone your ability to understand, interpret, and to then explain the information with comprehensive visual animations and data is a great skill man, keep it up!
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I thought the joke was gonna be you beat the game as soon as you start it up, since pretty much everything is unlocked at the start
Its interesting how the goal is a perfect run, though we've almost never seen it for real with how far off it seems for 99% of games. Something we kind of put off as what happens when we get the perfect run? What happens when you finished a meal to the point the plate has not a crumb left? Both so utterly destroyed theres nothing left to do.
Usually what happens I suspect is the runner who got it moves on to other categories and other people attempt to tie it.
Of course sometimes you also have to do some detailed analysis to prove that it's perfect to disprove multiple claims of better times, as happened with Atari 2600 Drag Race.
But yeah I expect if Niftske perfects Super Mario Bros 1, he'll either focus on warpless or try to optimize the PAL version which can theoretically be faster than a perfect NTSC run but is quite difficult to get even close (the current PAL WR is 5:05 though Niftske could probably break 5:00 pretty quick)
Exceptional video! Very detailed I really enjoyed it :)
Crazy how this originated from a guy who thought he could make a gap jump
Awesome video! I love learning about speedrun strats and you put it in a really clear way. First video of yours that ive seen and youve definently got my sub
This is Bismuth-grade content right here. All it's missing is Mario Kart 64 piano covers performed personally by you.
Summoning salt just made a video on this lol. The quest to beat Abney317
@@frosticle6409 That was about 100% skips. This is about Yoshi's Valley flap.
@@SaltpeterTaffy I admit, I commented a bit early on this video. I'm also casual when it comes to speedrunning. I apologize for my mistakes on the subject.
@@frosticle6409 Well, you watch at least two fine speedrun documentary channels, so you're less casual than most already. :D
@@SaltpeterTaffy lol. Bismuth, Abyssoft, Summoning Salt, Karl Jobst. They explain it in a way I understand. And they can just hook me in somehow with speedrunning. Going fast just awakens something in the old brain I guess lol.
I wonder if as humans we would become so consistent that only luck would stop us to reach anything
Well... If you are only speaking about records in video-games, maybe.
But our world is unfortunaly very screwed up.
It's not our bad luck that destroy the climat, for exemple 😁
What an awesome ride though speed run history.
i believe that this channel will one day be on par with karljobst
I always wondered about this scenario, and actually seeing it is really bittersweet. On the one hand, the record can never be improved again, the course in terms of speedrunning has nothing left to offer us, but on the other hand, it means we got to witness the entire history of the course before our very eyes (at least in this category) and we got to witness the perfect run.
Best explanation I’ve seen so far!
"And when Alexander saw the breath of his domain, he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer." Hans Gruber, 1988
Love seeing an Abyssoft video in my feed
You do a really good fucking job my friend. You've definitely done your research. I appreciate your content so very much.
I got the funniest ad timing
7:05 "Penev revealed a strat that saved a second and a half"
**ad**
"Type one diabetes is a condition in which"
You're like the second summoning salt, same style of editing, same calming voice, same amazing stories.
The Perfect Mario Kart Lap Explained
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Now i just have "Be kind, Rewind" stuck in my head 🤦♀️
Amazing video and great breakdown of how it all works! Im excited to see what comes next
Forest is the hero of this story. I'm really hoping for more of these perfect lap content videos in the future!
Great job with your content. Im glad im subscribed. Its fun to see some of the videos. Shout out to Brody and twitch for helping me find it.
Thanks, Brodys been a fan since day one pretty much, he's even helped with a couple videos
Some people don't dream fence jumping sheep to sleep, they dream of go karts flying over fences to sleep.
Abyssoft does such a good job of making speed run milestones so inspiring.
The "Deep dive" joke on a channel with Abyss in the title wasn't lost on me. Nice one.
Yeah, I always thought it was funny N64 carts would have “Be Kind, Rewind” stickers on them. How am I supposed to rewind an N64 cart? Dang it, I’m gonna get fined.
I don't think I've ever seen an unintended shortcut be improved on in the 1990's!
Dropping a comment to help the video. Great explanation as always!
My brain hurted when he started going over the timer math
All the more reason I love looking at speedrun stuff.
The extent at which games are broken is absurd
This was such a well made video. The graphics really made it easy to understand the crazier shit
I remember I dated a girl who had Mario Kart Double Dash and her ex's time trial scores were on there, so I decided to beat them; because I'm a petty asshole.
I would've done the same my man😂😂
And then, sometime in 2023, Forest returned his copy of Mario Kart 64 to blockbuster after achieving the perfect lap.
Probably the best thumbnail I've ever seen on a youtube video.
4:08
I honestly miss the days of detailed text explaining glitches, tricks or even general strats. It's almost like a lost art these days.
The first youtube video to have the same progress bar time as the thumbnail time
This is the most ridiculous but cool thing every, speedrunning is so deep it's unreal.
This dude is the Burger King Foot Lettuce of speedrunning.
I wonder how many ppl here understand "rewind ur VHS tapes"?
there are dozens of us! dozens i tell you…
everyone who played mk64 as a child... this game is too old for that comment.
I do, despite not growing up with them
Oh man my cousins lived behind the rental place and every weekend we would ride our bikes up there and rent this! If it was there. And we rented all the Bevis and butthead episodes lol
Perfect dark had some good speed running stories. Would love to see a video on it
a "shroom induced Large Bounce" has a completely different meaning where i come from
VHS tape rewound and video liked
Great explaining! I love mario kart
Great video 🔥
imma be real. landing in the valley and crossing finish line was like oh. neat exploiting a flag or something. but then you said it sits in this part of the memory and something about a bit blew my f'ing mind. like doing it is one thing but figuring out why like that is absurd.
mariokartology at its finest
How is this channel under 100k subs?
This is legit my favorite channel for speed run content. Keep up the awesome work @Abyssoft
Fun 'fact' PAL stands for Programable Analog Logic; a chip which is common in Europe and rare in America.
NTFC stands for NoT Findable Chip and likewise is common in America and rare in Europe.
why is it called Not Findable Chip? i tried looking it up on google, and its not findable
6:30 Summonig Salt transition.
The first sentence of this video made me subscribe.
such a great video!
11:30 wtf, just store it as an int, of frames since start! then for display, convert to a double-precision float, multiply by the conversion factor (rather than adding the conversion factor every frame, we add 1), do the transformations to get it in minutes:seconds format, and put it on the screen! The converted number undoubtedly has some small amount of possible rounding error, which is why we discard it at the end of the frame, and why we hold onto the int instead since it has no imprecision
Love me some Mario Kart content!
Love me some Mario Kart comments!
They allow picture proof on ciberscore and videogamesrecords, so you don't need a video to upload your PBs on other websites beyond src
Yoshi...."it still hurts"!!!
When cutting to a black screen after an important moment, I suggest to keep the music on for a bit longer with a longer dissolve.
The 2 cuts like that in this video are a bit harsh
Great video btw, this is just something super minor
I love how Forest was considered an unknown despite having skill in the game because they didn't want to accept the Wii virtual console. By accept I mean even as an alternative to the original version as a separate category.
Ngl i feel like the ntsc vs pal timer discrepancy could be avoided if real time was used instead of in game time.
I feel like that wouldn’t work for this type of speed run especially because one would still be faster just because of the version
It could also be avoided if they'd programmed the timer properly in the first place.
Awesome seeing this premiere , amazing work as always
In 1997 I was 21, my dad wasn't taking me anywhere
And then, someone in 2030 will come up with a video of a 00' 00" 00 lap.
I'm surprised that the programmers took lap timing on a child's kart racing game so seriously. Kudos to them else we wouldn't have these rabbit holes.
28:43 song name if anyone knows?
He linked Novadrome and Vividity in the description of the video. The URL links didn't work for me on mobile but likely that song is from those artists?
That's a song by Novadrome, it may be on his channel, he didn't always post stuff he made for me.
@@Abyssoft Ooh okay, that's why I can't find it, thanks!
Þere also is a 0.01 second lap time in MK7 in þe Wuhu Island course where you don't enter þe volcano (I forgot þe name). It's a 1 lap course where you can skip þe finish line between þe second and þird segment and boþ finish immediately after one anoþer at þe final finish line
my guy, the thorn has been dead since the invention of the printing press. no need to bring it back.
@@ChaiKirbs :þ
you’re using a lot of thorns where you should be using an eth
@@ExperimentIV English doesn't make a voiced-voiceless distinction so I only use þe Þorn.
@@Nikola_M feels wrong. i thought english had used the eth before as well. and we definitely use the voiceless and voiced dental fricative in modern english
Great video!
Why is 0.00 seconds impossible?
I assume it’s because the lap last one frame and you can’t go below one frame
@@Amelzo Yes, but there are bugs which allow you to have a (shown) lap time of 0.00 seconds... So may these are only the display errors and the time is not 0.00 seconds.
Did the cartridge hold save data during N64? 🤔
Probably
I think it depended on the game, I remember renting paper mario once and someone had a file like halfway through.
most of them did, but sometimes "extra data" needed to be saved to the controller-mounted MemoryPak instead...for example, MarioKart64 saves the TIMES to the cartridge, but the GHOSTS need a MemoryPak (because its one thing to just store a Number in memory; its another thing entirely, to record a player's movements Exactly, to be "raced against" later)
@@rtyuik7 I would like to see the save data on rented cartridges. (Superman 64)
yes for most games(only game I've played that used the cards was Rayman 2)
11:08 How is this value calculated?
It's just the range of values a single precision floating point number can have.
FYI: The past form of grind is ground.
Wait wait wait wait. Thou shall not call it perfect until the 00:00:00 lap gets done
Man, if someone got the perfect lap when the RENTED the game? I'd ask them why they didn't just buy it!
Great stuff!
well, i mean, is it really perfect if it isnt a 3 frame race? XD
Jokes aside, 1 frame laps are quite an interesting feat.
The game you wanted was never on the fuckin shelf at Blockbuster. Didn't matter the day of week.
Bro holy crap. I never even realized its probably been at least 10+ years since anyone has acquired a game with save data. That used to be a staple for me, I always made my account on Save file 2 because I always bought off the return shelf at gamestop
Now that I know the perfect lap is possible. I wonder if the perfect time trial is possible with 100th of a second on each lap for .03?
Is this "Myles B." The famous "Shadow of Myles" by chance? I wouldn't be surprised, he's legendary. I don't care what anyone says.
Yes
how did my rented copy keep the save from.. someone elses controller???
Times are saved to the cart, ghosts are saved to the memory pack.
Fuck that, i'll just race normally.😂
The Perfect Mario Kart Speedrun Explained
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"lah KEY too"
It's "lah KUH too".
Urcontent is so fire
I forget if I've asked this before. Abyssoft, are you a Maritimer? 8:42 and around there I feel like I'm hearing a strong Maritime Canadian accent. "Time", "Line", and "Marker" sound very Newfoundland lol. For the record, I love it, I just really honed in on it after that time-stamp and can't stop hearing it lol.
I bet anyone who wants to take it, a fair bet I'm not Googling first, $100 Canadian that Abyssoft grew up in Newfoundland (and Labrador). I could use the money and I'm so sure I'm right lol. You have to internally accept the bet before Googling the answer. I'll know.
Edit: My second, unofficial guess for betting purposes, as I keep listening to him, is PEI. That's Prince Edward Island to you non-Canadians. That's just for pride. First honest guess was Newfoundland. Just started hearing PEI more as I listen.
Wrong and wrong on NFLD and PEI.
24:04 I have that same clock.
64 was his first game
The japanese version is also ntsc
Be kind; rewind!
Watch there be some other obscure reason a 00.00.00 is possible.
Video is obsolete from the thumbnail as you can 00:00:000 on Maiokart 7's Wuhu Loop