Was just to write that then I saw, correct, RDNA2 is available from 6000 series up, also in some form 1 core/2CU with only basic display functionality also on 7000 desktop
microSD cards are TF cards under a different name. Back in 2004, when Motorola and SanDisk released the TF card, it launched as a separate standalone product. Aside from the fact that TF cards supported the same standard specs as an SD card (other than the size), TF cards were a separate, non-standardized product class. To standardize these flash memory cards, the SD Association adopted TF cards as microSD cards.
Hi Patrick, nice video again! A couple of comments based on my experience with how people in China uses these units: 1. Those who use firewall box like these in China rarely runs them as a single router / firewall, since there are just much lower-cost option if that's the case (such as R2S, R4S, those are ARM-based OpenWRT firewall box). Most of the time they actually install multiple router OSes so that one can do multi-WAN and be the main router (e.g. routerOS / iKuai etc.), while another to run services such as ad-blocker and bypassing the GFW (on heavily-customised OpenWRT firmware). Also some people use them as HTPC by passing the iGPU through to a windows VM, and also installing NAS OSes on them; 2. The 'cable' you refer to that has USB-C on one end and barrel jack on the other is also not uncommon, it essentially just 'trick' the USB-C outlet to provide 19-20V and send it to the barrel jack. People commonly buy them to use their usb-c charger (the multi-port GaN versions are dirt cheap in China and almost everybody has them) to power their old laptop that don't have USB-C PD ports. I had one where I've used it with my old Dell laptop and it worked great (until I got a new laptop and I no longer need the cable); 3. The 'adapter board' for the 2nd NVME ssd is a new features in these firewall unit, with the most common use case being to allow a M.2 SSD to be plugged into the WiFi / LTE mini-PCIe slot 4. Regarding these 4x network port motherboard, one manufacturer even created a version recently with 6x SATA board, aiming at those who uses these board as NAS motherboard (but had to use a M.2 - multiple SATA port card to expand the connectivity);
I was always wondering why Patrick was always reviewing very expensive units. Respectfully, these videos are becoming redundant and boring! Would be interesting to see small much less expensive hardware used for different purpose, on same network as you describe above. Let make Patrick more innovative and think outside the box …
Thanks for that, LTE mini-PCIe makes a lot of sense, something to failover if the main link goes down. The 6x SATA board for a NAS sounds interesting. 1x for OS, 4x for ZFS, 1xSLOG sounds perfect, just needs 2.5/10Gb networking.
I was thinking the same when I was watching the video. Can easily do a M.2 to PCIe conversion and add any PCIe device on that, not just a GPU but can also do a SAS card or a Mellanox NIC.
REALLY hope someone experiments with this in the future - for gaming or otherwise. The capabilities of modern hardware today is incredible, and that's even with pretty half assed cooling! lol, I'd really like to design & 3D print a custom case and swap the fans out(and possibly adapt a better cooler for the CPU), really upgrade the whole package, make the 3rd M.2 more accessible for adapters and such(maybe some sort of support rails to stabilize things a little). To think, this is just a 'standard'(if higher tier) nothing special mobile chip. Not some uncommon really high end CPU, just what you can easily find in a not insignificant portion of the mobile market. It wasn't that long ago, this sort of CPU would be a 'high end workstation' chip lol.
@@yuuki-yuuki as 10 core HEDT Haswell-E user I can say, yes, it's sucks nowadays mobile processor almost have the all capabilities as my "HEDT" system for way less money and power consumption 😔
Ok I'm officially excited about the 10 gig review coming up! Even though I just bought a 2.5 gig box based on a previous review. Lol. You guys are very informative but hard on the wallet.
Well, what a coincidence! I just got two of these, bought them barebones. I specifically bought this type because the Intel i226 chipset is supported by VMWare ESXi 7.0 with a fling, and with ESXi 8.0 *native* .. I got 64GB for each box and it's now running a nice little low-power but high core vSphere homelab. Maybe not the best performer ever created, but definitely a great little lab that runs a whole bunch of VMs without issue. Oh, on opening the chassis, you can do just 4 screws and tilt the half shell out.
Love the idea of the nvme conversion board, from the looks of it it gives you the choice of WiFi (from the antenna plugs on the front) or extra storage using the adapter. I have to admit it's a nice design offering options you don't usually see on many of these micro PCs, pretty bummed it's out of my price range.
I thought it a bit strange the slot on the side wasn't WiFi keyed given its position might fit a WiFi card if it had a bracket connected to the motherboard.
Got mine with 5600U few weeks ago, paired with 2 x 8GB Crucial 3200MHz, Samsung 980 500GB NVME. Setup with ESXi 8, virual pfSense 2.6 and some extra VMs works like a charm. On idle CPU is dead silent, but when loaded fans do spin up. Not a issue as the unit is quite powerful :)
Which vendor did you buy it from KingnovPC or Hunsn? What was the AC to DC power adapter make and model? These of vendors don’t provide higher quality supplies such as Delta. Thanks
I'm eagerly awaiting your review of the 6x i226-V Celeron J6413 unit! I have a J6412 unit on order. I wanted to keep the budget low and not over-complicate things with virtualization - as I already have a Proxmox server build on my network. Will likely try to run OpenWRT bare metal, as I'm already used to running OpenWRT on my current Linksys router.
thanks for the video.. i discovered your channel recently and I'm really linking it. but i think the power consumption chapter should be more detailed considering power is one of main reasons why buying those.
According to the Aliexpress page: the product does *NOT* support ECC. I believe the main reason for that is: they sell the same box with different CPU variants and the same mainboard should support Ryzen 5 5600U as one of these options but this CPU is a non-ECC one. I see the logic was like: it's cheaper to produce a single variant of the mainboard and then only swap CPUs there but it's weird to sell a PC with a pre-soldered non-ECC CPU on an ECC-enabled mainboard. Thus they ditched ECC support on the mainboard for all variants.
@@o.l.k.s.n That's a shame about the Aliexpress description. I don't believe your theory though. The CPUs that don't support it just ignore the extra traces on the motherboard. I am assuming the BIOS is standardized so I highly doubt there is extra cost adding checks for CPUs that don't support ECC. If ECC is not supported then that's due to the pure apathy of the board vendor.
I am speculating, but I am willing to bet that the third M.2 connector on the side was supposed to have a ribbon cable to allow for an additional PCIe device sitting somewhere. (Like a link for a bigger GPU for crypto mining or gaming, Etc.) This being from AliExpress means it was possibly built for the Chinese market and could not make that detail known.
Same, once Rembrandt will be available, or those boxes with Tiger Lake become a bit cheaper, I want this as a multimedia device with AV1 decode. It will last years.
Patrick, could you please specify whether M.2 slots are B-key (2 lanes) or M-key (4 lanes) and any gotchas like SATA-only speed. Also, the transfer speeds (or generation) of USB 3 slots would be useful.
You'd obviously need a different chassis, but it would be a cool project to add a 10Gb NIC (or two) using an M.2 adapter. Hopefully we start seeing them built in with the 6000 series, though! I miss the early designs that had 4 M.2 slots on the back of the motherboard...
That side m.2 slot I think I know why they could have done it like that: There's a few m.2 to pci-e docks out there for things like external GPUs or other pci-e devices. They're intended to just connect to laptops without thunderbolt if you're willing to just run them without the cover or make a hole in the cover to pass that cable thing through. Maybe they thought people would like to put pci-e devices on this and decided 'Hey we could extend this and put another m.2 on the side' So if you're ok with the clutter and unprotected devices you could probably also do something like 10gig ethernet with that raiser cable going into the side of it. Still very weird though.
TF stands for TransFlash. Which is like SD only slightly different. Im not 100% sure if there is a 1:1 compatibility between the two, but from what I remember TF is slower and offers lower capacity drives
The two M.2 slots on the board are clearly marked (as can be seen at 8:21) as: M2_SSD1 & M2_WLAN1. To the right of the two slots are two screw holes, one lower down at 2230 distances from the M2_WLAN1 port and the other at 2280 distance from the M2_SSD1. The funky "H board" as Patrick calls it is connected to the M2_WLAN1 and makes that 2230 only slot accept a 2280 M.2 card. Looks like a passive adapter to give you a longer slot. The "3rd" NVME port is pretty interesting too. With appropriate cabling you could effectively give yourself an external M.2 and/or PCIe slot. Probably just not used in this model.
This thing has a similar spec to the machine that I just bought. Though my machine does not have 4 Nic ports, just 2. I decided against the firewall form factor because my machine is going to be sitting in my basement, and it's really only going to be connected to the Wi-Fi router down there. If in the future I have to add more devices to the cluster, I'll just add a switch. These are really cool though, and I honestly believe that we're seeing a renaissance as far as minicomputing goes. I got mine as a do-it-all style device, I've got proxmox with PFsense and pi hole, then I've got 10 other VMs which I use for a development and video editing, and I've got a dedicated VM for my NAS which is just a very simple little box. I upgraded the RAM to 64gigs and I can't say I've had any complaints.
The travel power adapter is 20v only and this unit only supports 12-19v so that is where the efficiency comes from but it might kill it given enough time.
I've got this unit from CWWK, it came with a slightly beefier PSU. I'm running windows 2022 virtualising opnsense and home assistant, probably running more VMs later. I want to get a Google Coral TPU in one of those PCI slots later passed through to home assistant to perform machine learning in frigate NVR. No idea if I'll manage to get pcie pass through to work. Definitely has plenty of horse power. It is incredible to see it perform better than an 8th gen desktop core i5/i7
@@ServeTheHomeVideo holy cow man! I was bad this weekend too! Nothing fancy...just standard flu! The bell is on! Just waiting! Thanks again and hope you get better asap!
Some interesting thoughts I have on this product: 1. I think you can you put an NVMe to PCI-e x16 raiser. Then you can connect a SATA HBA and do a storage server! 2. There are those NVMe to 10G cards - you can get a 10G uplink ;) 3. Does this board support ECC memory? If so then it makes it a clear winner over every Celeron out there.
You would use that 3td nvme with an adapter cable, kind of like the pcie riser cables for vertical mounting gpus. Not sure where in there you would mount it, but that's what you would have to do.
One thing I'd like to see more of in devices like this is a kettle lead socket for power. There is usually enough space to allow for this, and I'd happily pay the extra few dollars for it.
Do these run from an external transformer? If so then building the transformer into the device just requires more cooling and space, which starts to detract from the small form factor which is what attracts a lot of people to it in the first place. It would make it convenient to set up though. Knowing me I would just design and 3D Print a solution lmfao.
When looking at the power consumption though, I don't think heat will be a huge concern. Looking at the size of the external power supply, the case wouldn't need to be extended too much to house it internally.
@@7rich79 it's still defeating the purpose of the device though. Having to take the entire thing apart when you could have swapped an external power supply is enough to turn most techs off, especially if they want to deploy a lot of devices. Just because it can be done doesn't mean it should. If you can have a larger more heat dependent device, you already can with a custom built small form factor PC. :P
@Hostile Pride to each their own :) I generally prefer devices where I don't have to consider making room for an external power supply and the extra cable management that brings.
As a tip we found later… If you are using Windows, you can give it a try on this system and it might activate via a BIOS key activation. Apparently, many of these, even barebones systems had OEM BIOS Windows Pro key licenses.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Hi Patrick, yesterday finished to assemble homelab server and installed proxmox + opnsense. (allocated 4 cores for it) speedtest throughput for that setup was even better than throughput through my working horse ASUS RT-AC86u router and was very close to 1Gb. Even though server is a little bit warm but all is flying , going to install some docker containers like pi-hole, ubuntu with IDS and maybe NAS for junk temporary downloads. Again thanks for your honest review!
perhaps the 3rd nvme slot was meant for an extender that would go to a case mounted slot...might be a case revision out there that has an externally accessible nvme slot.
Wow, what a tease. That advertised 3rd NVMe slot can't actually be used when fully assembled. That is bizarre! I think I'll wait for some kind of next gen model that has the almighty magic 4x NVMe slots.
In order to be able to use pfsense at it s best potential on top of proxmox, you need to know beforehand if this motherboard can split it's components so for you to be able to passthrough some or all ports to the pfsense's Vm. Did you try that?
That "external nvme slot" might actually be designed for external pcie devices (external GPU). That's quite a smart design I believe there are nvme to pcie adapters.
So, for that third NVNe slot, you can get wired adapters to turn that into a PCI-e x4 slot which would allow you to put in either a graphics card, NVMe cards, maybe a HBA or more. I could see this used for many use cases.
HBA was my first thought as well. Slap a minSAS port on there and connect it up to a tiny desktop JBOD and you've got yourself a nice NAS for running Plex, Nextcloud, backups, etc.
I love my SlimQ power adapters, both for the USBC and 19VDC plugs. I have a number of them any they work great! I can power 3 laptops off the 240W version, 1 on 19VDC and 2 on USBC.
Ryzen 5800U > 5825U . . . in this situation. Agreed. Jolly terrific video 👍 As with its i7-1165 cousin, this device might be another candidate for converged, composable cattle in a home lab. Kindest regards, neighbours and friends.
I bought one from King Novy. CPU fan started making ugly noises after a few months, power supply died (slowly, so I spent hours debugging the system first) after a year and a half. Lets see how long it keeps ticking with a replacement fan and power supply.
Ok so this thing for a router is just nuts. After watching your vid on the HP T740 Thin client I built a router from one. 8Gb ram, 128gb SSD, Mellanox ConnectX-3 dual SFP+ running 2.5Gb to my cable modem (1.2Gbps service) and a 10Gbps DAC to my Aruba s2500 POE switch. That thin client spends its life nearly totally idle ( loads 0.70, 0.34, 0.22 ) LOL. So this device for router, is gonna be flat insanely overpowered. I love it. IF you could lock the power draw on this, to 25w you could power it over 802.3at with a POE splitter. Some mini pc let you limit power in bios, does this?
Maybe PoE++. I would be a bit worried about staying below 25W even when the Ryzen is capped. You also have the memory, ~5W for the NICs, SSD, and the fan.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Definitely a fair point. Tech is getting closer though. I'm using Poe+ splitters with my Aruba to power my Netgear WAX202 ap, my ooma teleo, Inovato Quadra I have pikvm on, and the pi zero Ntp server I designed and built that using gps is accurate to a standard deviation of 42.667 microseconds over the past week. Hoping for a brick less future. 🤣
That side m.2 is probably for a wifi 6 module for a case that has holes for the double antenna connectors to go out the side. those wifi modules are quite short usually.
I was wondering the same and this one of the reasons I'm hesitant to buy one. If anyone who bought one could post the part number on the CPU fan, that would be great.
TF = Transflash. It was a name used with some flash cards that seems to have dried up here in the US, but is still used in China a lot. Everything I see from aliexpress that takes a micro sd card is referred to as 'tf reader'.
So that weird NVME slot is a PCIE 3.0 x 4? That would be super handy. I take these sort of units and put them in 1U rack as a mini NAS. That would be an awesome PCIE break out for a full size card.
The thermal efficiency doesn't seem to be good; every time a task is initiated, the temperature rises to 80 or 90 Celsius, even when network usage increases. Any suggestions to improve this? Is it just me, or is this happening to others as well?
Could you put an M.2 extender cable and use the 3rd slot with the NVMe drive flipped over back into the case? Maybe with a smaller form factor drive like a 2230? Inland and WD have 1TB M.2 2230 drives for under $250. SKHynix & Micron have a 512GB model for only $140.
I have Graphics card connect from the 3rd NVME on the side with M.2 -> PCIE Riser. However, I notice that the 2nd NVME with Relocation Adapter is convertion from E Key to M Key, So I do not sure what is the PCIE Lane you will get from the 2nd NVME Slot.
I found these on Aliexpress and was _this_ close to pulling the trigger but held off due to the lack to 10gbe. It seems like the perfect pfsense/home assistant box just doesn't exist! * 4x10gbe ports (2 WAN ports for redundant LTE connections, 1 LAN port, 1 normal port for hypervisor) * 2x m.2 slots (for coral TPU) * enough cores and ram to virtualize both OSs If anyone knows of a machine like this, please let me know! I don't want to build a dedicated sffpc, but I'm running out of options...
That would be fantastic in a country where you can actually get decent internet speeds. Here in the UK I've only just recently been able to upgrade to 70/20 Mbps DSL for my home internet and I live in a major city... This seems like a perfect box for me to run virtualised OPNsense and other homelab containers/VM's.
@@slithery9291 oof, that sucks. I’m in the US and the ISPs are currently rolling out 5gb internet speeds. It’s prohibitively expensive for me right now but that’s just a consequence of the ISP monopolies we have here :/
I would love to use one of these for this purpose, but I would also love to use one just as a Docker host. I've used Docker in Unraid, in a VM, and bare metal, and the bare metal experience is much better.
Can I ask a silly question? On "serve the home" testing a firewall appliance why on earth would you not have tested throughput numbers from opnsense/pfsense when testing this?
They need to stop teasing us with it however I expect it will be the opposite of this review, I expect the CPU to be underpowered for the 10GBe ports. You can search the STH forum for r86s to see it mentioned. Keeps getting bumped for other reviews.
@@YKSGuy Thank you so much, I've been looking for something just like this. But yeah you're right the N series chips might not work that well with something that has up to 3 different networking chips.
That third M.2 slot is probably intended for one of those Wi-Fi or LTE cellular modules that you often see in laptops. They are much shorter and would probably fit with the case closed. Edit: Though, I don't know how well one of those would work inside of this metal case.
Another great video Patrick. You always mention Proxmox compatibility on these videos and the main site reviews but I don't think that I've ever seen you cover XCP-ng. I've recently relegated my old desktop to home lab functions (including virtualised OPNsense) and decided to go that route for my hypervisor because of the more intuitive UI (especially when using the full open-source version of Xen Orchestra). Are there any plans for STH to cover it as an alternative to ESXi or Proxmox?
@@ServeTheHomeVideo What I do is run LXC containers on my cloud servers, it's considerably more efficient on resources than the hypervisor route, and if paired with an advanced FS such as ZFS or BTRFS I can set storage quotas for each container. I still use hypervisors for the odd use case when a container won't serve the need, such as for running Windows or for access to HW abstraction, and they will co-exist alongside containers just fine. A 64Gb 8c/16t box as reviewed could run at least a dozen containers simultaneously and a few VM's without breaking a sweat. BTW Thanks for the review, it was very helpful. The trouble with these Chinese devices is you never know what you will actually get, the specs I've seen are poorly written and contain incorrect or misleading data, but these little boxes are too amazing to pass up for what they can do. After seeing what you discovered, I think I'll buy a bare bones box and install my own NVMe storage and RAM. What's fun these days is with home fibre Internet and a few tiny boxes, you can operate a reliable and very capable mini data center in a home that uses up only a small amount of space.
This is one of the WEIRDEST MACHINES I have EVER SEEN!!! LMAO!!! You could always set it up as a small game station for one of your kids... maybe... 🤷♂ THANK YOU STH for showing us this ONE OF A KIND FIREWALL BEASTIE!!!! LOL :D
Thanks Patrick! Again an amazing job, a full review in +-20min, well done! I'm wondering, would any of the tiny NVME SSD of Kioxia fit in this 3rd slot? I believe they are 2030 size.
My concern is more the ability to secure the SSD. To get this working, we left the chassis open and just had the SSD sticking out, but no chance you can run that realistically long term. I would be worried about even a breeze knocking the M.2 drive out.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I just received the 5800U and on proxmox with 2 LAN connections it idles at 7 watt (stock power supply). It is indeed tricky to put an NVME SSD in the third slot. I tried a 2230 SSD but it is still too long, so you should drill a piece at the side to get it in, or find a short extention cable but where to find such a cable is the question. Otherwise, there is at the bottom of the case, close to the 3rd NVME slot plate that is ready to be removed in order to pass a cable. Could be used for an external GPU or so.
Can you do a video showing how to set this up as a firewall with a secondary function, I have a studio and firewall my primary DAW pc and then maybe use this to offload some of my plugin load to this would be an interesting option…….what do you think?
Typically we do this kind of content on the main site (much larger audience than our RUclips): ESXi on one: www.servethehome.com/topton-fanless-intel-core-i7-1165g7-box-running-vmware-esxi-veeam-and-pfsense/ Pass-through with Promxox: www.servethehome.com/how-to-pass-through-pcie-nics-with-proxmox-ve-on-intel-and-amd/
You mentioned that these have display out over usbc, but do they also do power delivery? Would be interesting to use a proper usbc charger instead of one of those iffy chargers you'll typically find with these.
dammit i just set up my n5105 kingnovy box, now i want one of these. Maybe once i get a handle on opnsense. My box from kingnovy has 3 m.2 keys and also has that same pcb nvme relocator board.
ALSO, I noticed an ATX 4-PIN POWER PLUG on the "MoBo" .... Could that bring it up to the 65w we usually see these APUs max out at??? (Or maybe it will just push the full 105w to it and we'll see some magic smoke lol - don't do that lol) PLEASE MAKE A SECOND VIDEO TESTING OUT THESE THINGS >>>> YOU COULD MAKE A 'shorts' VIDEO OUT OF IT :D
Texas sheriff is coming for you for using meters instead of freedom units 😂 I really want to do a box like this to replace my WRT3200ACM with OpenWRT (2.4Ghz wifi performance is not very good) but trying to avoid an external AP but m.2 wifi cards that support AP mode are hit or miss for availability and support in software. Gonna spend some time this weekend seeing if I can make it work. Would love the option to upgrade the Wi-Fi card down the road since even an n5105 will be plenty fast for many many years to come
Any idea if VMware ESXi works on this? Been looking for something compact for a homelab/travel lab, I like the Supermicro Xeon D boxes but they are expensive.
TF used to mean or still does "TransFlash", so maybe that's what it means? Either way, storage cards are all the same to me if they fit, unless I need them for a hyper specialized thing, like 8K video recording lol
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A quick note, I said RDNA not Vega on the graphics and we did not catch it. My bad!
Was just to write that then I saw, correct, RDNA2 is available from 6000 series up, also in some form 1 core/2CU with only basic display functionality also on 7000 desktop
Please can you post the iommu groups on this? There’s a script,if you google “iommu groups arch”.
@@bits2646 I don't think so. 6000 series of RDNA1
@@DominicFlynn 660M & 680M = Rembrandt; Rembrandt = RDNA 2
@@DominicFlynn RDNA only had few dGPU models and was not even intended because of introduction of new architecture
microSD cards are TF cards under a different name. Back in 2004, when Motorola and SanDisk released the TF card, it launched as a separate standalone product. Aside from the fact that TF cards supported the same standard specs as an SD card (other than the size), TF cards were a separate, non-standardized product class.
To standardize these flash memory cards, the SD Association adopted TF cards as microSD cards.
It is also probably due to licensing. Sd requires an expensive trademark license, whilst tf doesn't.
TF = Transflash. 20 years on could have alternative percepted meanings.
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Hi Patrick, nice video again! A couple of comments based on my experience with how people in China uses these units:
1. Those who use firewall box like these in China rarely runs them as a single router / firewall, since there are just much lower-cost option if that's the case (such as R2S, R4S, those are ARM-based OpenWRT firewall box). Most of the time they actually install multiple router OSes so that one can do multi-WAN and be the main router (e.g. routerOS / iKuai etc.), while another to run services such as ad-blocker and bypassing the GFW (on heavily-customised OpenWRT firmware). Also some people use them as HTPC by passing the iGPU through to a windows VM, and also installing NAS OSes on them;
2. The 'cable' you refer to that has USB-C on one end and barrel jack on the other is also not uncommon, it essentially just 'trick' the USB-C outlet to provide 19-20V and send it to the barrel jack. People commonly buy them to use their usb-c charger (the multi-port GaN versions are dirt cheap in China and almost everybody has them) to power their old laptop that don't have USB-C PD ports. I had one where I've used it with my old Dell laptop and it worked great (until I got a new laptop and I no longer need the cable);
3. The 'adapter board' for the 2nd NVME ssd is a new features in these firewall unit, with the most common use case being to allow a M.2 SSD to be plugged into the WiFi / LTE mini-PCIe slot
4. Regarding these 4x network port motherboard, one manufacturer even created a version recently with 6x SATA board, aiming at those who uses these board as NAS motherboard (but had to use a M.2 - multiple SATA port card to expand the connectivity);
I was always wondering why Patrick was always reviewing very expensive units. Respectfully, these videos are becoming redundant and boring!
Would be interesting to see small much less expensive hardware used for different purpose, on same network as you describe above.
Let make Patrick more innovative and think outside the box …
Z Li . . . good comments. Thank you 👍
This would be a good base for a nas.. 15w as well compared to my intel i9
Thanks for that, LTE mini-PCIe makes a lot of sense, something to failover if the main link goes down.
The 6x SATA board for a NAS sounds interesting. 1x for OS, 4x for ZFS, 1xSLOG sounds perfect, just needs 2.5/10Gb networking.
Correction - the 5825U is (sadly, since I have one in my laptop) a Vega 8 iGPU. RDNA integrated graphics didn't start until the Ryzen 6000 series.
I'm pretty sure the "external" M.2 slot is intended for external GPUs which would make it a pretty cool machine for virtualized gaming
I was thinking the same when I was watching the video. Can easily do a M.2 to PCIe conversion and add any PCIe device on that, not just a GPU but can also do a SAS card or a Mellanox NIC.
Or a dual 10gbe NIC...
REALLY hope someone experiments with this in the future - for gaming or otherwise. The capabilities of modern hardware today is incredible, and that's even with pretty half assed cooling! lol, I'd really like to design & 3D print a custom case and swap the fans out(and possibly adapt a better cooler for the CPU), really upgrade the whole package, make the 3rd M.2 more accessible for adapters and such(maybe some sort of support rails to stabilize things a little).
To think, this is just a 'standard'(if higher tier) nothing special mobile chip. Not some uncommon really high end CPU, just what you can easily find in a not insignificant portion of the mobile market. It wasn't that long ago, this sort of CPU would be a 'high end workstation' chip lol.
@@RyTrapp0 lol "8 cores hedt" just a few years ago.
@@yuuki-yuuki as 10 core HEDT Haswell-E user I can say, yes, it's sucks nowadays mobile processor almost have the all capabilities as my "HEDT" system for way less money and power consumption 😔
Ok I'm officially excited about the 10 gig review coming up! Even though I just bought a 2.5 gig box based on a previous review. Lol. You guys are very informative but hard on the wallet.
Stop showing these! I've already committed to a new box based on your review. Can't replace them every month! 😀
Just send the old ones to me
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I feel your pain. 😉
@@Leo-sd3jt Sorry, I'm financially limited of actually buying one every month :(
Practically made for the 'Forbidden Router' type projects, just wish there were more ways to leverage iGPUs with virtualization platforms
Well, what a coincidence! I just got two of these, bought them barebones. I specifically bought this type because the Intel i226 chipset is supported by VMWare ESXi 7.0 with a fling, and with ESXi 8.0 *native* .. I got 64GB for each box and it's now running a nice little low-power but high core vSphere homelab. Maybe not the best performer ever created, but definitely a great little lab that runs a whole bunch of VMs without issue.
Oh, on opening the chassis, you can do just 4 screws and tilt the half shell out.
Love the idea of the nvme conversion board, from the looks of it it gives you the choice of WiFi (from the antenna plugs on the front) or extra storage using the adapter. I have to admit it's a nice design offering options you don't usually see on many of these micro PCs, pretty bummed it's out of my price range.
I thought it a bit strange the slot on the side wasn't WiFi keyed given its position might fit a WiFi card if it had a bracket connected to the motherboard.
@@alexatkin maybe someone can fab a custom pcb to slot it in and extend it similar to those m.2 extender
iser cables like you see for many laptops.
Got mine with 5600U few weeks ago, paired with 2 x 8GB Crucial 3200MHz, Samsung 980 500GB NVME.
Setup with ESXi 8, virual pfSense 2.6 and some extra VMs works like a charm.
On idle CPU is dead silent, but when loaded fans do spin up. Not a issue as the unit is quite powerful :)
I should be getting mine in the next 2 weeks. I wanted something more powerful than all the celeron options :)
Which vendor did you buy it from KingnovPC or Hunsn? What was the AC to DC power adapter make and model? These of vendors don’t provide higher quality supplies such as Delta. Thanks
@@alberth4890 Topton Computer Store, PSU is standard, does not look HQ
I'm eagerly awaiting your review of the 6x i226-V Celeron J6413 unit! I have a J6412 unit on order. I wanted to keep the budget low and not over-complicate things with virtualization - as I already have a Proxmox server build on my network. Will likely try to run OpenWRT bare metal, as I'm already used to running OpenWRT on my current Linksys router.
Really dig all of these funky boxes.. I could totally see a killer fw with this
Great video. I am still looking forward to the firewall box with a j6413 review from you. Keep up the good work.
thanks for the video.. i discovered your channel recently and I'm really linking it.
but i think the power consumption chapter should be more detailed considering power is one of main reasons why buying those.
TF -> TransFlash (is the OG name... before SD)
Since the Ryzen 7 5825U supports ECC RAM. Can you please add an ECC SO-DIMM and test if it's recognized on that mainboard?
+1
please!
According to the Aliexpress page: the product does *NOT* support ECC. I believe the main reason for that is: they sell the same box with different CPU variants and the same mainboard should support Ryzen 5 5600U as one of these options but this CPU is a non-ECC one. I see the logic was like: it's cheaper to produce a single variant of the mainboard and then only swap CPUs there but it's weird to sell a PC with a pre-soldered non-ECC CPU on an ECC-enabled mainboard. Thus they ditched ECC support on the mainboard for all variants.
@@o.l.k.s.n That's a shame about the Aliexpress description. I don't believe your theory though. The CPUs that don't support it just ignore the extra traces on the motherboard. I am assuming the BIOS is standardized so I highly doubt there is extra cost adding checks for CPUs that don't support ECC.
If ECC is not supported then that's due to the pure apathy of the board vendor.
I am speculating, but I am willing to bet that the third M.2 connector on the side was supposed to have a ribbon cable to allow for an additional PCIe device sitting somewhere. (Like a link for a bigger GPU for crypto mining or gaming, Etc.) This being from AliExpress means it was possibly built for the Chinese market and could not make that detail known.
"Now the first feature is the POWER Button..." very funny Patrick!.
I never actually had to use the power button because it was set to power on AC by default :-)
Cant wait for the Ryzen 7 6800u in this form factor for $500 this would be a great little SteamOS box
Same, once Rembrandt will be available, or those boxes with Tiger Lake become a bit cheaper, I want this as a multimedia device with AV1 decode. It will last years.
Patrick, could you please specify whether M.2 slots are B-key (2 lanes) or M-key (4 lanes) and any gotchas like SATA-only speed. Also, the transfer speeds (or generation) of USB 3 slots would be useful.
"Secure Digital" is an oxymoron in China
You'd obviously need a different chassis, but it would be a cool project to add a 10Gb NIC (or two) using an M.2 adapter. Hopefully we start seeing them built in with the 6000 series, though! I miss the early designs that had 4 M.2 slots on the back of the motherboard...
Maybe we can use a nvme soft cable and reposition that side nvme,and connect it with pcie device or simply a nvme
That side m.2 slot I think I know why they could have done it like that: There's a few m.2 to pci-e docks out there for things like external GPUs or other pci-e devices. They're intended to just connect to laptops without thunderbolt if you're willing to just run them without the cover or make a hole in the cover to pass that cable thing through. Maybe they thought people would like to put pci-e devices on this and decided 'Hey we could extend this and put another m.2 on the side'
So if you're ok with the clutter and unprotected devices you could probably also do something like 10gig ethernet with that raiser cable going into the side of it. Still very weird though.
TF stands for TransFlash. Which is like SD only slightly different. Im not 100% sure if there is a 1:1 compatibility between the two, but from what I remember TF is slower and offers lower capacity drives
Great to see the new set Patrick.
Slowly coming together.
The two M.2 slots on the board are clearly marked (as can be seen at 8:21) as: M2_SSD1 & M2_WLAN1. To the right of the two slots are two screw holes, one lower down at 2230 distances from the M2_WLAN1 port and the other at 2280 distance from the M2_SSD1. The funky "H board" as Patrick calls it is connected to the M2_WLAN1 and makes that 2230 only slot accept a 2280 M.2 card. Looks like a passive adapter to give you a longer slot. The "3rd" NVME port is pretty interesting too. With appropriate cabling you could effectively give yourself an external M.2 and/or PCIe slot. Probably just not used in this model.
This thing has a similar spec to the machine that I just bought. Though my machine does not have 4 Nic ports, just 2. I decided against the firewall form factor because my machine is going to be sitting in my basement, and it's really only going to be connected to the Wi-Fi router down there. If in the future I have to add more devices to the cluster, I'll just add a switch. These are really cool though, and I honestly believe that we're seeing a renaissance as far as minicomputing goes. I got mine as a do-it-all style device, I've got proxmox with PFsense and pi hole, then I've got 10 other VMs which I use for a development and video editing, and I've got a dedicated VM for my NAS which is just a very simple little box. I upgraded the RAM to 64gigs and I can't say I've had any complaints.
The travel power adapter is 20v only and this unit only supports 12-19v so that is where the efficiency comes from but it might kill it given enough time.
I've got this unit from CWWK, it came with a slightly beefier PSU. I'm running windows 2022 virtualising opnsense and home assistant, probably running more VMs later. I want to get a Google Coral TPU in one of those PCI slots later passed through to home assistant to perform machine learning in frigate NVR. No idea if I'll manage to get pcie pass through to work. Definitely has plenty of horse power. It is incredible to see it perform better than an 8th gen desktop core i5/i7
I bet the 3rd M.2 is meant to be used with another funky riser or a flexible M.2 extender of some kind.
Man, review that R86S :D we are all hungry to see a decent review in English! :D Thanks for this amazing review! Keep it up!
Trying to finish it this week. I had a bad burrito in Scottsdale Friday and have been sick since then.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo holy cow man! I was bad this weekend too! Nothing fancy...just standard flu! The bell is on! Just waiting! Thanks again and hope you get better asap!
Thank you patrick, oh wow... That 3rd nvme port seems interesting for placing an nvme to pcie x16 adapter and use a gpu to expand it 😁😁🥳🥳
Finally they put the video out on the back panel
I'm wondering about 3 minutes with a dremel and one of those m.2 to 6 sata ports cards.
As for that NVMe slot on the side of the case you could use it with one of the M.2 to PCIe X16 adapters to use an External GPU
Or an external NIC (1x25gbe or 2x10gbe)...
The Chinese really using those PCIe lanes to the max, a massive props to them 👏
TF = TransFlash, original name for SD.
Great Work, Carry on :-)
Some interesting thoughts I have on this product:
1. I think you can you put an NVMe to PCI-e x16 raiser. Then you can connect a SATA HBA and do a storage server!
2. There are those NVMe to 10G cards - you can get a 10G uplink ;)
3. Does this board support ECC memory? If so then it makes it a clear winner over every Celeron out there.
P.S. You can also install a Wifi module on an NVMe and make it a WiFi router
Do you have a link to the product you are talking about?
You would use that 3td nvme with an adapter cable, kind of like the pcie riser cables for vertical mounting gpus. Not sure where in there you would mount it, but that's what you would have to do.
One thing I'd like to see more of in devices like this is a kettle lead socket for power. There is usually enough space to allow for this, and I'd happily pay the extra few dollars for it.
If you wanted that to plug into the device, the PSU would then need to be internal.
Do these run from an external transformer? If so then building the transformer into the device just requires more cooling and space, which starts to detract from the small form factor which is what attracts a lot of people to it in the first place.
It would make it convenient to set up though. Knowing me I would just design and 3D Print a solution lmfao.
When looking at the power consumption though, I don't think heat will be a huge concern. Looking at the size of the external power supply, the case wouldn't need to be extended too much to house it internally.
@@7rich79 it's still defeating the purpose of the device though. Having to take the entire thing apart when you could have swapped an external power supply is enough to turn most techs off, especially if they want to deploy a lot of devices.
Just because it can be done doesn't mean it should. If you can have a larger more heat dependent device, you already can with a custom built small form factor PC. :P
@Hostile Pride to each their own :)
I generally prefer devices where I don't have to consider making room for an external power supply and the extra cable management that brings.
Thanks for your review, just got one for my home server/virtual router. Waiting for memory and ssd now.
As a tip we found later… If you are using Windows, you can give it a try on this system and it might activate via a BIOS key activation. Apparently, many of these, even barebones systems had OEM BIOS Windows Pro key licenses.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Thanks , for a note.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Hi Patrick, yesterday finished to assemble homelab server and installed proxmox + opnsense. (allocated 4 cores for it)
speedtest throughput for that setup was even better than throughput through my working horse ASUS RT-AC86u router and was very close to 1Gb.
Even though server is a little bit warm but all is flying , going to install some docker containers like pi-hole, ubuntu with IDS and maybe NAS for junk temporary downloads.
Again thanks for your honest review!
perhaps the 3rd nvme slot was meant for an extender that would go to a case mounted slot...might be a case revision out there that has an externally accessible nvme slot.
Wow, what a tease. That advertised 3rd NVMe slot can't actually be used when fully assembled. That is bizarre! I think I'll wait for some kind of next gen model that has the almighty magic 4x NVMe slots.
In order to be able to use pfsense at it s best potential on top of proxmox, you need to know beforehand if this motherboard can split it's components so for you to be able to passthrough some or all ports to the pfsense's Vm. Did you try that?
That "external nvme slot" might actually be designed for external pcie devices (external GPU). That's quite a smart design I believe there are nvme to pcie adapters.
The hard part is there is no way to lock such an adapter in.
So, for that third NVNe slot, you can get wired adapters to turn that into a PCI-e x4 slot which would allow you to put in either a graphics card, NVMe cards, maybe a HBA or more. I could see this used for many use cases.
HBA was my first thought as well. Slap a minSAS port on there and connect it up to a tiny desktop JBOD and you've got yourself a nice NAS for running Plex, Nextcloud, backups, etc.
I would think the third nvme socket on the edge would be used with a another riser to mount a Wi-Fi card in a larger case
I love my SlimQ power adapters, both for the USBC and 19VDC plugs. I have a number of them any they work great! I can power 3 laptops off the 240W version, 1 on 19VDC and 2 on USBC.
Ryzen 5800U > 5825U . . . in this situation. Agreed.
Jolly terrific video 👍
As with its i7-1165 cousin, this device might be another candidate for converged, composable cattle in a home lab.
Kindest regards, neighbours and friends.
I bought one from King Novy. CPU fan started making ugly noises after a few months, power supply died (slowly, so I spent hours debugging the system first) after a year and a half. Lets see how long it keeps ticking with a replacement fan and power supply.
Ok so this thing for a router is just nuts. After watching your vid on the HP T740 Thin client I built a router from one. 8Gb ram, 128gb SSD, Mellanox ConnectX-3 dual SFP+ running 2.5Gb to my cable modem (1.2Gbps service) and a 10Gbps DAC to my Aruba s2500 POE switch. That thin client spends its life nearly totally idle ( loads 0.70, 0.34, 0.22 ) LOL. So this device for router, is gonna be flat insanely overpowered. I love it. IF you could lock the power draw on this, to 25w you could power it over 802.3at with a POE splitter. Some mini pc let you limit power in bios, does this?
Maybe PoE++. I would be a bit worried about staying below 25W even when the Ryzen is capped. You also have the memory, ~5W for the NICs, SSD, and the fan.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Definitely a fair point. Tech is getting closer though. I'm using Poe+ splitters with my Aruba to power my Netgear WAX202 ap, my ooma teleo, Inovato Quadra I have pikvm on, and the pi zero Ntp server I designed and built that using gps is accurate to a standard deviation of 42.667 microseconds over the past week. Hoping for a brick less future. 🤣
That side m.2 is probably for a wifi 6 module for a case that has holes for the double antenna connectors to go out the side. those wifi modules are quite short usually.
Patrick, I have a question for you. The fans that come with this unit, are they fans we can find easily should the CPU and vent fans fail?
The case fan is 80x80x10 12v pwm 4pin, an adater comes with unit to install that fan inside case.
I was wondering the same and this one of the reasons I'm hesitant to buy one. If anyone who bought one could post the part number on the CPU fan, that would be great.
The third "nvme" slot would probably work well for some other m.2 devices. Maybe another NIC (with an extra hole in the case).
No way to secure even a riser into that slot which is the big challenge.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo You would need a different case.
Can you just imagine if amd developed an esxi driver to support vsga for the integrated gpu? That would be a sick home virtualization box :)
The original mame for microsd was transflash (tf). Hence the tf everywhere.
TF = Transflash. It was a name used with some flash cards that seems to have dried up here in the US, but is still used in China a lot. Everything I see from aliexpress that takes a micro sd card is referred to as 'tf reader'.
So that weird NVME slot is a PCIE 3.0 x 4? That would be super handy.
I take these sort of units and put them in 1U rack as a mini NAS.
That would be an awesome PCIE break out for a full size card.
The thermal efficiency doesn't seem to be good; every time a task is initiated, the temperature rises to 80 or 90 Celsius, even when network usage increases. Any suggestions to improve this? Is it just me, or is this happening to others as well?
Double check thermal paste application. Usually that is the number 1 cause of people having thermal issues
Could you put an M.2 extender cable and use the 3rd slot with the NVMe drive flipped over back into the case? Maybe with a smaller form factor drive like a 2230? Inland and WD have 1TB M.2 2230 drives for under $250. SKHynix & Micron have a 512GB model for only $140.
The challenge is how do you secure that M.2 extender to the slot.
I have Graphics card connect from the 3rd NVME on the side with M.2 -> PCIE Riser. However, I notice that the 2nd NVME with Relocation Adapter is convertion from E Key to M Key, So I do not sure what is the PCIE Lane you will get from the 2nd NVME Slot.
Did you tried over proxmox if you can passtrough iGPU to a VM and i226 to a Vm for virtualized FW? Thanks for your amazing review as always :)
I found these on Aliexpress and was _this_ close to pulling the trigger but held off due to the lack to 10gbe. It seems like the perfect pfsense/home assistant box just doesn't exist!
* 4x10gbe ports (2 WAN ports for redundant LTE connections, 1 LAN port, 1 normal port for hypervisor)
* 2x m.2 slots (for coral TPU)
* enough cores and ram to virtualize both OSs
If anyone knows of a machine like this, please let me know! I don't want to build a dedicated sffpc, but I'm running out of options...
That would be fantastic in a country where you can actually get decent internet speeds.
Here in the UK I've only just recently been able to upgrade to 70/20 Mbps DSL for my home internet and I live in a major city...
This seems like a perfect box for me to run virtualised OPNsense and other homelab containers/VM's.
@@slithery9291 oof, that sucks. I’m in the US and the ISPs are currently rolling out 5gb internet speeds. It’s prohibitively expensive for me right now but that’s just a consequence of the ISP monopolies we have here :/
@@SxC97 There are no monopolies here and it is cheap, it's just that the infrastructure is terrible.
Very interesting.
I need to look at some pie's for connecting up libnms for our monitoring in the data center.
I would love to use one of these for this purpose, but I would also love to use one just as a Docker host. I've used Docker in Unraid, in a VM, and bare metal, and the bare metal experience is much better.
Can I ask a silly question? On "serve the home" testing a firewall appliance why on earth would you not have tested throughput numbers from opnsense/pfsense when testing this?
We usually just do simple NAT + low
Can't wait to see the 10GBe one
They need to stop teasing us with it however I expect it will be the opposite of this review, I expect the CPU to be underpowered for the 10GBe ports. You can search the STH forum for r86s to see it mentioned. Keeps getting bumped for other reviews.
@@YKSGuy Thank you so much, I've been looking for something just like this. But yeah you're right the N series chips might not work that well with something that has up to 3 different networking chips.
Oh the M.2 slot is for optional WiFi according to Hunsn
Nice for vt nas & m.2 for sata
That third M.2 slot is probably intended for one of those Wi-Fi or LTE cellular modules that you often see in laptops. They are much shorter and would probably fit with the case closed.
Edit: Though, I don't know how well one of those would work inside of this metal case.
You normally have some round bumps on the WiFi card, that you attach an antenna to. At least that's the case for many laptops.
TF cards were developed to be smaller and more compact than SD cards while also preserving the functionality of SD cards.
Did you try to power it with USB-C and with barrel connector at the same time? It would be nice to have redundant power supply for it.
Thanks for starting with the price. TEDW too expensive didn't watch
You mentioned a 10 Gbit box. When are you going to review this?
Next few weeks. The review is in process already
The description says that it has two sata ports. How do I connect a SATA drive to this computer?
comes with an adapter cable that you plug in an 2.5 ssd, and plug the other end to motherboard
Another great video Patrick.
You always mention Proxmox compatibility on these videos and the main site reviews but I don't think that I've ever seen you cover XCP-ng. I've recently relegated my old desktop to home lab functions (including virtualised OPNsense) and decided to go that route for my hypervisor because of the more intuitive UI (especially when using the full open-source version of Xen Orchestra).
Are there any plans for STH to cover it as an alternative to ESXi or Proxmox?
We may, but the ecosystem behind KVM is just so big at this point given how much it is used in the cloud.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo What I do is run LXC containers on my cloud servers, it's considerably more efficient on resources than the hypervisor route, and if paired with an advanced FS such as ZFS or BTRFS I can set storage quotas for each container. I still use hypervisors for the odd use case when a container won't serve the need, such as for running Windows or for access to HW abstraction, and they will co-exist alongside containers just fine. A 64Gb 8c/16t box as reviewed could run at least a dozen containers simultaneously and a few VM's without breaking a sweat. BTW Thanks for the review, it was very helpful. The trouble with these Chinese devices is you never know what you will actually get, the specs I've seen are poorly written and contain incorrect or misleading data, but these little boxes are too amazing to pass up for what they can do. After seeing what you discovered, I think I'll buy a bare bones box and install my own NVMe storage and RAM. What's fun these days is with home fibre Internet and a few tiny boxes, you can operate a reliable and very capable mini data center in a home that uses up only a small amount of space.
maybe that 3rd nvme slot , can be use as external gpu or added nics or sfp card and make a external or add on mounting system on it 🤔
This is one of the WEIRDEST MACHINES I have EVER SEEN!!! LMAO!!! You could always set it up as a small game station for one of your kids... maybe... 🤷♂
THANK YOU STH for showing us this ONE OF A KIND FIREWALL BEASTIE!!!! LOL :D
@6:20 "fan-chaang" should be the pronunciation
Amazing. Thank you
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Thank YOU for these videos!
have someone build a Case Extension to use The ODROID H2/H3 Net card brings 4 additional 2.5 GbE Ethernet ports in the M.2 Format
Thanks Patrick! Again an amazing job, a full review in +-20min, well done!
I'm wondering, would any of the tiny NVME SSD of Kioxia fit in this 3rd slot? I believe they are 2030 size.
My concern is more the ability to secure the SSD. To get this working, we left the chassis open and just had the SSD sticking out, but no chance you can run that realistically long term. I would be worried about even a breeze knocking the M.2 drive out.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I just received the 5800U and on proxmox with 2 LAN connections it idles at 7 watt (stock power supply). It is indeed tricky to put an NVME SSD in the third slot. I tried a 2230 SSD but it is still too long, so you should drill a piece at the side to get it in, or find a short extention cable but where to find such a cable is the question. Otherwise, there is at the bottom of the case, close to the 3rd NVME slot plate that is ready to be removed in order to pass a cable. Could be used for an external GPU or so.
the m.2 slot you can secure it with a extensor, see no problem at that...
Can you do a video showing how to set this up as a firewall with a secondary function, I have a studio and firewall my primary DAW pc and then maybe use this to offload some of my plugin load to this would be an interesting option…….what do you think?
Typically we do this kind of content on the main site (much larger audience than our RUclips):
ESXi on one: www.servethehome.com/topton-fanless-intel-core-i7-1165g7-box-running-vmware-esxi-veeam-and-pfsense/
Pass-through with Promxox: www.servethehome.com/how-to-pass-through-pcie-nics-with-proxmox-ve-on-intel-and-amd/
@@ServeTheHomeVideo 👌, thankyou for the prompt response
everybody's always saying that you need to be careful whit Chinese hardware. are these alixpress products really safe to use ase firewalls?
Nice device, would like one of these with 2 Sata Ports, so it could run trueNAS in Proxmox 🙌
You mentioned that these have display out over usbc, but do they also do power delivery? Would be interesting to use a proper usbc charger instead of one of those iffy chargers you'll typically find with these.
dammit i just set up my n5105 kingnovy box, now i want one of these. Maybe once i get a handle on opnsense. My box from kingnovy has 3 m.2 keys and also has that same pcb nvme relocator board.
Could you try to use that third port to add an external pcie device like a GPU, SATA card or even a 4 Ethernet port maybe 🤔
I really need one of these!
You didn't try using THEIR M.2 EXTENSION ON THE THIRD m.2 PORT - MAYBE you could close the case while using it on that weird slot 🤷♂
ALSO, I noticed an ATX 4-PIN POWER PLUG on the "MoBo" .... Could that bring it up to the 65w we usually see these APUs max out at??? (Or maybe it will just push the full 105w to it and we'll see some magic smoke lol - don't do that lol)
PLEASE MAKE A SECOND VIDEO TESTING OUT THESE THINGS >>>> YOU COULD MAKE A 'shorts' VIDEO OUT OF IT :D
awsome. I though cn manufacturers ran out of options after the N6000 series. But nope! more Mininess! I LOVE IT! Hmm.. mini kubernetes cluster. :D
Texas sheriff is coming for you for using meters instead of freedom units 😂
I really want to do a box like this to replace my WRT3200ACM with OpenWRT (2.4Ghz wifi performance is not very good) but trying to avoid an external AP but m.2 wifi cards that support AP mode are hit or miss for availability and support in software. Gonna spend some time this weekend seeing if I can make it work. Would love the option to upgrade the Wi-Fi card down the road since even an n5105 will be plenty fast for many many years to come
I225V has been known for their hardware issues in all 3 steppings (B1, 2, and 3). Are those issues still a thing in the 226 (same family)?
I’m not even sure why I need one of these beyond my ASUS router and the Frontier one that brings the signal in (FIOS)
Quick question (from a newbie): could I use this thing as a firewall AND a home theater/media PC at the same time? If so, how could I do it?
Any idea if VMware ESXi works on this? Been looking for something compact for a homelab/travel lab, I like the Supermicro Xeon D boxes but they are expensive.
Hmm but 5825u is still using vega in igp , not rdna yet
Yea I put a note in the description :-/ My bad.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo thank you for making good content for us :) really useful for building home lab / home mini server
What's up with buying from AliExpress? Especially stuff like this? Isn't this prime territory for supply chain hacks in malware ridden bioses?
TF used to mean or still does "TransFlash", so maybe that's what it means? Either way, storage cards are all the same to me if they fit, unless I need them for a hyper specialized thing, like 8K video recording lol