I rather have engines that create grind games between players than auto win decks like the previous year we just had. Its about back and forth not make a huge board and auto win the game
grind game is just an illusion. you're just delaying the unevitable. FS makes going 2nd so hard because whatever you do they have the grind game and you dont. handtraps and board breakers lost their meaning its just FS and bystials at this point
I think your point is only valid if both you and your opponent have $1000 to play optimized fiendsmith Ryzeal. If you can’t afford that I would disagree there is any grind game at all.
@@beatsbyashi think pretending that ANY competitive scene doesn’t require the privilege of a high income is delusional. There is no competitive scene where having money isn’t an inherent advantage. To complain about ur lack of funds and still play the game is a recipe for disappointment.
It does feel like playing a deck pure is a thing of the past. It’s cool when it makes sense to mix 2 different archetypes thanks to synergies. It’s not so cool when we mix 2 archetypes cuz 1 is generic, has a minimal card requirement, and they have no actual synergy
I disagree with hitting bystial, they are meta dependant and mainly see play right now because of fiendsmith otherwise they would not be that good in this "ryzeal/maliss" meta, I have seen formats were multiple people would say they were not good. I have seen this argument many times about multiple hand traps and I'm sure pretty soon I'll start hearing it about how lancea should be banned too lol
@@Tonytri2 lancea should be banned fr. A quick effect, from hand, searchable (with the new tachyon card) thrustable into card is as ridiculous as 5 engine decks. Tbh Called by should be at 2, Number C102 should get hit before tachyon’s release and sanctum as well. Make the turn skip counter cards have equal footing against decks. And also limit Engraver & Unicorn to 1. Red reboot at 2 would be amazing as well.
They don't have Fiendsmith in OCG and still bystial are heavily played. Can't you see how powerful magna and lubellion are? Search any fuckin dragon in your deck really?
😂 magnamhut is a ban worthy card, I'm Sick of it searching tenpai and I have to waste resources on one archetype and my opponents not even go for their main engine
I do not see the issue with bystials. Currently they are only strong because of Fiendsmith. Prior to Fiendsmith they didn't even find a spot in most of the side decks. I would even say bystials as they currently are, are completely justfied, because light and especially dark are by far the 2 strongest attributes in yu-gi-oh.
For me the issue is not really that engines do too much. It's rather that these "meta" engines have very little to no restrictions whatsoever. Powerful engines should always have a form of lock that locks you into specific types/attributes/archetypes so you can't just splash them all in any deck and have to deckbuild for them to work. And force more themed decks to be played rather that patchwork every "best" cards in one deck.
That's why I applaud the decision konami took when they banned Apo, Baronne and Savage; not because in certain measure those are "unfair" cards (it's not the same scenario dealing with one of them at the time than dealing with them in an already stablished board), I applaud because that diversifies endboards. It's the same with these engines.
As someone who disliked Apo and Baronne the only bad move from their banlist is that it absolutely was a bait and switch banning. They hit them on the banlist barely a week after they got reprints which killed alot of players trust and decks. The timing was bad, and sadly Fiendsmith is following the pattern of Tearlaments. It will only see hits once a new powercrept engine is released that Konami wants to sell. Personally Engraver to 1 would probably balance Fiendsmith out really well, but until then I'll just smile and wait for a banlist that makes the price of the meta cards just a massive spit in the eyes well I enjoy Centur-ion being a Tier 3 and thus low priority for hits.
Even the Shadow Duelist, Axel (wrestler) would have won one game with Kashtira, then the other guy just shifted to Melodious combo and SP and won after that. A LITERAL representation of a newcomer playing correctly, then getting blown out by various engines packed into a deck.
Combining all these engines that kind of work together I think is what Yugioh is about. At least that’s what the anime was. Yugi didn’t just use a dark magician decks. He had several suites of cards that worked within themselves thematically. Yes, his engines were much smaller and more varied, but larger pure decks have become so obsolete in general with their superfluous members that don’t offer anything significant to the strategy or play style. They’ve trimmed down the fat so now you can keep the engines small, play what you like or what works best for you, and leave out what you don’t need. While these engines might be too powerful, I think Konami is started to figure out how to properly balance the power of their cards in the form of Ryzeal, which can work with the Fiendsmith engine, but you might find yourself in precarious situations thanks to the limitations of the Ryzeal cards if you aren’t careful.
Somebody once summurized the current game something like this: It is the worst of two worlds. Instead of the 40 one ofs decks from super cold school yu-gi-oh and the single archetypes from more mondern days, we now play just the strongest 3 to 5 engines together as a deck.
For me the Kashtira and Bystial engine are completely fine. The Fiendsmith engine does too much while also having strong recursion and thus a crazy grind game. The issue imo is the low engine requirement in decks like Ryzeal and Maliss or even Tenpai. It was the same issue with Snake-Eye. Your main engine is usually always under 15 cards, which allows you to always play a side engine like Fiendsmith, Kash or Bystials while also playing ~20 non-engine. As you are a Branded lover you know that this deck feels way more healthy than what we have here as the engine is just huge. The same goes for Runick Synchro strategies as an example. Your deck should imo fit like 9 non-engine and the rest should be engine-requirement.
Completely agree 15 non engine at the MAXIMUM. Not completely the opposite. Everyone remembers 2019 so well and it was partly because even in sky striker which was widely considered to have a smaller engine for the time could play like 12 non engine max sometimes 9.
I loved based format, it got me back in after toss. The only thing I don’t like is how costly it is because it’s constantly keeping up with the latest set with no forseable reprints
So basically Techcards & Handtraps are Maindecks now, and engines / Tenpais are sidedecks? Maybe it's just me, but i feel like that completely misses the point of deckbuilding. Don't like it
Kashtira hard limits after next format FOR SURE. Regenesis needs 2500 atk. And only the TCG had 3 Unicorn legal. NOT FOR LONGGGGGG Edit: master duel has 3 but with lists each month, it'll get the axe before arrival
I like the Fiendsmith engine style deck. I also think it should get a consistency hit or a ban on Moon so that it isn't splashable in every deck. I see the point of not wanting every deck to be able to play these cards, but a deck like chimera really likes these cards and has ways to bridge into em so hard that I'm not even running moon anymore in this deck. I think we are one banlist away from being able to put these cards in the decks that need em, and take em away from the top tier decks which will overall level the playingfield with these cards. I think the only problem people have with these engines is how homogenous they become when it's splashable in every deck, so ban the card that makes it so and problem solved.
All these tiny engines are terrible for the game. People saying they play a deck but the cards part of that core are less than 15 cards, the rest being hand traps and negates. It’s taking the game out of the game and its just power struggle the tcg
This is way better than what we have past formats. None of this decks are leaving impossible boards to break, games are a shit a ton more interactive, this is not UNhealthy. You may not like the idea of having to many engines for whatever reason you may have. But this is WAY way better than what we had. (And I really liked the SE format)
@@ThunderflySc2 I agree, it's at the very least something new. Instead of watching the tier 0, Snake Eyes, Tearlament, Kashtira, and Herald Drytron making so only one archetype gets to see play. Plus the strongest engines are super expensive anyways.
Was watching a dkayed stream for his MD Meta tournaments he said a refit user complained about this exact thing. Shoving different engines and with so b many one card combos and ss’s. You deal with one engine and then they switch engines and you are out of b interruptions.
For sure. That's what Joshua Schmidt said. 2024 will be known as the one card combo year. Yu-Gi-Oh needs to slow down or be like Ryzeal and have weaker end boards. Even the Shadow Duelist, Axel (wrestler) would have one one game with Kashtira, then the other guy just shifted to Melodious combo and SP and won after that. A LITERAL representation of a newcomer playing correctly, then getting blown out by various engines packed into a deck.
I just hate when these decks release with NO restrictions whatsoever, you just know they're gonna be shoved into another deck amalgamation. Atleast with fairer restrictions like branded you can mesh in other fusion strategies like tearlaments or shaddoll
Look at OG traditional, goat etc. this has happened since the dawn of time. 20 staples everyone plays, 20 themed cards that suit your taste or playstyle.
I fuck hate generic engines and generic boss monsters, and them they create Ashened with amazing art but is a shit deck , mannadium has the the potential but AGAIN the endboard is a bunch of generic cards , cause Mannadium boss is Ass. Why not give HOrus good XYZ rank 8 contact fusion or wathever , no lets use horus so summon a bunch of generics rank 8...
If we showed engines instead of the supplemental decks people are playing on the pie charts, we’d be in a tier 0 format. But no one wants to talk about it
I just want a restriction on cards to make them even remotely harder to play in anything so every engine cards not 100% generic. Like the days of old like nadir servant locking your extra
The infinity yugioh looping since the pandemic; good stuff decks (Eldlich Synchro, Brave Tenyi, Dragon Link, Adamancipator), hardcore engine deck's (swordsoul, branded despia 1.0), good stuff again (based, brave punk, dragon link), hardcore engine again (tear, spright, runick spright), and then hardcore engine straight time (kash, purrely, unchained, runick combo deck's, despia), but this time engines start to get smaller, rescue ace, vanquish, snake eyes, but essentially hardcore deck's, until Fiendsmith comes out, and they release that stupid two fusion TCG exclusive, necroquip and aerial eater, why that? Was a completely overkill. Now we just replacing engine's with others, Tenpai instead of Kashtira like in bologne, Ryzeal instead of snake eyes, malice instead of Yubel. It's like can we call Ryzeal deck Ryzeal? I don't think so, it's just another engine on another engine, there's is no practical difference between Ryzeal Fiendsmith Bystial and Tenpai Fiendsmith Bystial or Malice Fiendsmith Bystial, or however. Oh, but Apollousa is ban, baronne is ban, Savage is ban, SE and Yubel are dead, really? We contenting with so little? 1k-1.5k just to play a robotic game? Where everyone trying to do the same moves? What about people that invest their money into mermail, or plant, or Azamina, or White Forest? All dead so Fiendsmith Bystial Kashtira however can take place? Based format wasn't just bad cause of scythe look and the dice roll filling, was also about every fuckin game looking the same, decide by the same fuckin card's, the same fuckin combos, the same fuckin win conditions. We should be creating Tear's and Runicks instead we content with the easy route. With decks that force you not to think, just memorize the best you can! Awful state, feel's like always getting a little worst...
All problems stem from fiendsmith. Remove the real problem of it being generic from the link 2 that goes into the link 1 and the meta shift will be phenomenal.
@galzo nah I know azamina is going to be a solid deck and engine sooner rather than later. konami wants to sell their upcoming products, are you thinking I meant snake eye azamina with the two azamina extra deck slots nah full azamina gonna be good
I don't see much issue with Bystial. Its on and off with them. I mean look at a few months ago with the fire meta. Bystial usage dropped like a brick. Now that theirs a hyper active 1 card dark/light engine Bystials are back to put a damper on those strategies and do what they were made for interrupting GY plays. Maybe if Called By wasn't limited in the TCG I could see a reason to limit cards like Saronir or something, but overall Fiendsmith is the only annoying engine I've seen this format. Rzyeal isn't even to crazy until you factor in the Fiendsmith package.
Imagine complaining about engines that force grind games and make you a better player through sequencing then fully supporting cards that are auto win buttons like puppet… cmon…smh
There is a a really distinct gap between the older and younger yugioh players. All my older players that still play really hate hand traps and want anything new and innovating to burn meanwhile the ones closer to my age think they know everything to a fault and make the game so mind boggling un-enjoyable you wish you just stayed home anytime you’re across the table from them. If we could lose the autistic and adhd mindsets that force us to think we know everything it would do a lot of good for this game. That and remembering it’s a game of chance at the end of the day and all we’re doing is pushing the odds in favor via deck building and learning the game
What bothers me the most, is that most of the new engines are so strong with no restrictions. On the other hand, konami brings out new types like Ashened (which i love), but with a stupid restriction....So was ragnaraika an that is BOTH OK, but there should be soft restrictions for EVERY theme.Even primite has restriction...you can decide to use tje effect or not 🤷
Engine meta was born to combat hand traps & exist because of the overwhelming number of one card starters we have now, if 1 or 2 hand traps is enough to stop me then why not also have another engine with one card starters that could help me make a board? The real problem is if you don’t get any hand traps & you going 2nd then you might as well scoop because your opponent gonna do the whole fiendsmith line & then whatever else is in their deck 😂
everyone whines of ocgs limits and yet their limits and bans are why we don't have pure piles with no locks between them in the kashtiras, fiendsmith and bystials.
We just got out of an entire year of 1 engine + 20 handtraps. I much prefer formats with multiple engines. Much more interactive. Trading handtraps is boring.
So banning eletramite because a single link monster made every pendulum deck the same deck but Konami makes engines that cost you a lot but can be used in every deck like findsmith and kash but it’s the link that’s the problem
@galzo i mean engraver vs imperm is just a (slow) pop, the advantage is arguably comparable. Of course then fs gives you followup but imperm has its points going for it as well. Why can't we consider engraver, fenrir and magnamhut as staples at this point? At the end of the day that's what they are, they're not your main win condition
Once more yugitubers showing how they can complain of the state of the game no matter the situation: Tier 0, they cry because only one deck viable; lots of tier 1 without a clear winner, they cry because it's difficult to prepare for tournaments; Pure deck that controls the game like Kash or Labrynth; they cry due to prices; Board of 6 negates with apo, baronne; they cry until banlist hits, then proceed to cry about the next best ED boss monsters and now the engines are too good. If they were too bad or too restrictive they would criticize decek design. You cannot win
I hate engines that have no restrictions and how the game is hyper focused on generic extra deck monsters. Horus shouldn't be able to mix with tearlaments, kashtira, and yubel all in one deck. Its a shame that yugioh has become a game that revolves around playing busted engines/mixing them in everything. I guess this is the curse of going too far with archetype designs that make them too accessible.
you really think that 60 card kash list is good? I mean as a branded player you're so used to bricking that you don't even take it into consideration, so thats fair I guess
You only have to ban moon and 50% of the deck are done with fiendsmith. Everytime the same Shit ban this ban that i mean people want to ban tenpai now we habe ryzeal and maliss its better now ? 🤷🏻♂️
How is this an issue you either run supplement engines, hamdtraps, or board breakers. This is yughio. To run a pure decl of every card in a particular archetype when some cards are mediocre would be bad
@@jakeehwilliams8820 people have been saying the same thing fuwalos, bystials, unicorn makes FS bad but it actually doesnt. fuwa you can requim pass to summon lacrima send paaradise, unicorn you just run a 2nd requim, bystials, lacrima will just send another engraver so they will make either caesar or desirae. FS is so broken that nothing can stop it
Personal idea, limit unicorn at 1 and fenrir at 2 or 1, put the field spell or kashtira birth at 1, unban arisehearth an put him at 1 so kashtira can be played as a main strategy. For fiendsmith just some small hit (for now) like engraver at 1 and fiendsmith in paradise at 2. Bystial are fine they are only played because fiendsmith exist, the only change i can think its druiswurm at 1 and thats it.
All these engines are beatable. They all have weaknesses. Have people forgotten the snake eyes / yubel format already? People lose a few games and winge that the cards that beat them must be banned. Everyone knows these engines are in decks so prepare for it. This is still a better format than we have had. No doubt these cards will get limited and banned post stampede reprint. Then there will be new generic engines to cry over. Better the devil you know.
No. No banning any card. limit druidswarm and maybe bystial lubellion(which i find incredibly stupid but whatever) and definitely limit engraver. YOUR problem is fixed. Let us have our engines. What is the point of playing if we can't have them? (Speaking to commenters)No, i don't care if you find the engines boring or annoying. I won't, and many others won't throw our decks and engines to the trash because you can't be arsed to deal with an engine, especially the bystial and kashtira. Enough with hitting and banning cards. We need to unban more.
hit Kashtira like masterduel does and bring arise-heart to make the deck somewhat playable for us kashtira players and the problem is solved with the kashtira engine
I love it man. I don't think this is a problem at all. The theory crafting is incredibly fun, the interactions are fun, fiendsmith even if everywhere is FUN. It's not degenerate it's just a fun tool everyone can have if they want. This is the most fun I've had playing yu gi oh in a very very long time Just because somethign is everywhere, does not mean its a problem. Every single engine you mentioned has counters found in other engines, deck archetypes, etc. Yu gi oh is finally FINALLY won on back and forth interactions, and not rock paper scissors haha i drew drnm + lightning storm
And this is why yugitubers don’t make ban list. Complaining about engines? The multiple combos you can create? The fact ryzeal isn’t tier 0 thanks to the multiple decks being able to run different combos and responses to other decks. You want to be able to respond to to 1-2 cards and your opponent has to stop. Nah.
Yes it is good for the games a healthy for the game & wont gethitbecause the list witch bad players don't understand not for fix the game meta it for sale shit they needed to repint everything first and we nkt getting a repint set until April we get a list before thatbin march i bet because the last one was on the 6th on December that be months
I rather have engines that create grind games between players than auto win decks like the previous year we just had. Its about back and forth not make a huge board and auto win the game
grind game is just an illusion. you're just delaying the unevitable. FS makes going 2nd so hard because whatever you do they have the grind game and you dont. handtraps and board breakers lost their meaning its just FS and bystials at this point
@ i rather have the illusion of a grind game than playing game skip decks like yubel and snake eyes from the past
would agree with this if it wasn't so homogenous
I think your point is only valid if both you and your opponent have $1000 to play optimized fiendsmith Ryzeal. If you can’t afford that I would disagree there is any grind game at all.
@@beatsbyashi think pretending that ANY competitive scene doesn’t require the privilege of a high income is delusional. There is no competitive scene where having money isn’t an inherent advantage. To complain about ur lack of funds and still play the game is a recipe for disappointment.
I don't see why Bystials should get more hits. None of them were relevant when we didn't have Fiendsmith.
The problem is that all of these engines dont restrict your plays after going full combo with them.
Correct. Make more restrictions like you can only summon the monsters of the deck you play. Like for example only Tenpai for the rest of the turn.
It does feel like playing a deck pure is a thing of the past. It’s cool when it makes sense to mix 2 different archetypes thanks to synergies. It’s not so cool when we mix 2 archetypes cuz 1 is generic, has a minimal card requirement, and they have no actual synergy
I disagree with hitting bystial, they are meta dependant and mainly see play right now because of fiendsmith otherwise they would not be that good in this "ryzeal/maliss" meta, I have seen formats were multiple people would say they were not good.
I have seen this argument many times about multiple hand traps and I'm sure pretty soon I'll start hearing it about how lancea should be banned too lol
@@Tonytri2 lancea should be banned fr. A quick effect, from hand, searchable (with the new tachyon card) thrustable into card is as ridiculous as 5 engine decks. Tbh Called by should be at 2, Number C102 should get hit before tachyon’s release and sanctum as well. Make the turn skip counter cards have equal footing against decks. And also limit Engraver & Unicorn to 1. Red reboot at 2 would be amazing as well.
They don't have Fiendsmith in OCG and still bystial are heavily played. Can't you see how powerful magna and lubellion are? Search any fuckin dragon in your deck really?
😂 magnamhut is a ban worthy card, I'm Sick of it searching tenpai and I have to waste resources on one archetype and my opponents not even go for their main engine
I do not see the issue with bystials. Currently they are only strong because of Fiendsmith. Prior to Fiendsmith they didn't even find a spot in most of the side decks. I would even say bystials as they currently are, are completely justfied, because light and especially dark are by far the 2 strongest attributes in yu-gi-oh.
For me the issue is not really that engines do too much. It's rather that these "meta" engines have very little to no restrictions whatsoever. Powerful engines should always have a form of lock that locks you into specific types/attributes/archetypes so you can't just splash them all in any deck and have to deckbuild for them to work. And force more themed decks to be played rather that patchwork every "best" cards in one deck.
That's why I applaud the decision konami took when they banned Apo, Baronne and Savage; not because in certain measure those are "unfair" cards (it's not the same scenario dealing with one of them at the time than dealing with them in an already stablished board), I applaud because that diversifies endboards.
It's the same with these engines.
As someone who disliked Apo and Baronne the only bad move from their banlist is that it absolutely was a bait and switch banning. They hit them on the banlist barely a week after they got reprints which killed alot of players trust and decks.
The timing was bad, and sadly Fiendsmith is following the pattern of Tearlaments. It will only see hits once a new powercrept engine is released that Konami wants to sell.
Personally Engraver to 1 would probably balance Fiendsmith out really well, but until then I'll just smile and wait for a banlist that makes the price of the meta cards just a massive spit in the eyes well I enjoy Centur-ion being a Tier 3 and thus low priority for hits.
Even the Shadow Duelist, Axel (wrestler) would have won one game with Kashtira, then the other guy just shifted to Melodious combo and SP and won after that. A LITERAL representation of a newcomer playing correctly, then getting blown out by various engines packed into a deck.
Decks play themselves :(
Combining all these engines that kind of work together I think is what Yugioh is about. At least that’s what the anime was. Yugi didn’t just use a dark magician decks. He had several suites of cards that worked within themselves thematically. Yes, his engines were much smaller and more varied, but larger pure decks have become so obsolete in general with their superfluous members that don’t offer anything significant to the strategy or play style. They’ve trimmed down the fat so now you can keep the engines small, play what you like or what works best for you, and leave out what you don’t need.
While these engines might be too powerful, I think Konami is started to figure out how to properly balance the power of their cards in the form of Ryzeal, which can work with the Fiendsmith engine, but you might find yourself in precarious situations thanks to the limitations of the Ryzeal cards if you aren’t careful.
Im tired of these engines too. Its boring
Somebody once summurized the current game something like this: It is the worst of two worlds. Instead of the 40 one ofs decks from super cold school yu-gi-oh and the single archetypes from more mondern days, we now play just the strongest 3 to 5 engines together as a deck.
For me the Kashtira and Bystial engine are completely fine. The Fiendsmith engine does too much while also having strong recursion and thus a crazy grind game.
The issue imo is the low engine requirement in decks like Ryzeal and Maliss or even Tenpai. It was the same issue with Snake-Eye. Your main engine is usually always under 15 cards, which allows you to always play a side engine like Fiendsmith, Kash or Bystials while also playing ~20 non-engine.
As you are a Branded lover you know that this deck feels way more healthy than what we have here as the engine is just huge. The same goes for Runick Synchro strategies as an example. Your deck should imo fit like 9 non-engine and the rest should be engine-requirement.
Completely agree 15 non engine at the MAXIMUM. Not completely the opposite. Everyone remembers 2019 so well and it was partly because even in sky striker which was widely considered to have a smaller engine for the time could play like 12 non engine max sometimes 9.
So this is why OCG limited: Bystials Engraver and Kashtira.
Bystials weren't relevant at all last year, right now they are only used because of fiendsmith
Because in OCG, Ariseheart and Number 89 is at 3, while in TCG, they are banned. That's why they're completely fine
I loved based format, it got me back in after toss. The only thing I don’t like is how costly it is because it’s constantly keeping up with the latest set with no forseable reprints
It feels like these new archetypes are incomplete, too. We have to wait 10 years for outdated support.
9:15 Aye that’s my regional topping list 💯
How many people was in it
So basically Techcards & Handtraps are Maindecks now, and engines / Tenpais are sidedecks?
Maybe it's just me, but i feel like that completely misses the point of deckbuilding. Don't like it
This been happening that last few years I know ppl who quit because of it
I think its also just the fact these deck cores are pretty mid on their own and to raise the ceiling you have to mix with something else
While I like this format mostly, I would like fiendsmith and kashtira to go. Both too annoying and boring in my opinion.
Kashtira hard limits after next format FOR SURE. Regenesis needs 2500 atk. And only the TCG had 3 Unicorn legal. NOT FOR LONGGGGGG
Edit: master duel has 3 but with lists each month, it'll get the axe before arrival
I like the Fiendsmith engine style deck. I also think it should get a consistency hit or a ban on Moon so that it isn't splashable in every deck. I see the point of not wanting every deck to be able to play these cards, but a deck like chimera really likes these cards and has ways to bridge into em so hard that I'm not even running moon anymore in this deck. I think we are one banlist away from being able to put these cards in the decks that need em, and take em away from the top tier decks which will overall level the playingfield with these cards. I think the only problem people have with these engines is how homogenous they become when it's splashable in every deck, so ban the card that makes it so and problem solved.
All these tiny engines are terrible for the game. People saying they play a deck but the cards part of that core are less than 15 cards, the rest being hand traps and negates. It’s taking the game out of the game and its just power struggle the tcg
This is way better than what we have past formats.
None of this decks are leaving impossible boards to break, games are a shit a ton more interactive, this is not UNhealthy.
You may not like the idea of having to many engines for whatever reason you may have. But this is WAY way better than what we had. (And I really liked the SE format)
@@ThunderflySc2 I agree, it's at the very least something new. Instead of watching the tier 0, Snake Eyes, Tearlament, Kashtira, and Herald Drytron making so only one archetype gets to see play. Plus the strongest engines are super expensive anyways.
Was watching a dkayed stream for his MD Meta tournaments he said a refit user complained about this exact thing. Shoving different engines and with so b many one card combos and ss’s. You deal with one engine and then they switch engines and you are out of b interruptions.
For sure. That's what Joshua Schmidt said. 2024 will be known as the one card combo year.
Yu-Gi-Oh needs to slow down or be like Ryzeal and have weaker end boards.
Even the Shadow Duelist, Axel (wrestler) would have one one game with Kashtira, then the other guy just shifted to Melodious combo and SP and won after that. A LITERAL representation of a newcomer playing correctly, then getting blown out by various engines packed into a deck.
I just hate when these decks release with NO restrictions whatsoever, you just know they're gonna be shoved into another deck amalgamation. Atleast with fairer restrictions like branded you can mesh in other fusion strategies like tearlaments or shaddoll
Look at OG traditional, goat etc. this has happened since the dawn of time. 20 staples everyone plays, 20 themed cards that suit your taste or playstyle.
Yes, still there has also been times when the 20 themed cards were more differentiated than a couple of engines paired in rotation
I like engines beucase they are cool, but more than one in a deck is too scary.
Losing Bystial will be the biggest loss possible for Dragon Link 😢
I fuck hate generic engines and generic boss monsters, and them they create Ashened with amazing art but is a shit deck , mannadium has the the potential but AGAIN the endboard is a bunch of generic cards , cause Mannadium boss is Ass.
Why not give HOrus good XYZ rank 8 contact fusion or wathever , no lets use horus so summon a bunch of generics rank 8...
Horus could have had a good Main deck boss but horus the black flame deity sucks
If we showed engines instead of the supplemental decks people are playing on the pie charts, we’d be in a tier 0 format. But no one wants to talk about it
This grind meta is great, great improvement from the last format
I just want a restriction on cards to make them even remotely harder to play in anything so every engine cards not 100% generic. Like the days of old like nadir servant locking your extra
Kashtira fiendsmith goes hard 😂
Honesty with the new blue-eyes deck coming out I was planning to run the Primete and the bystal engine in it!
Im ok with necroquip and moon ban if they bring back lacrima
No more real decks just good stuff piles. This is ridiculous.
The infinity yugioh looping since the pandemic; good stuff decks (Eldlich Synchro, Brave Tenyi, Dragon Link, Adamancipator), hardcore engine deck's (swordsoul, branded despia 1.0), good stuff again (based, brave punk, dragon link), hardcore engine again (tear, spright, runick spright), and then hardcore engine straight time (kash, purrely, unchained, runick combo deck's, despia), but this time engines start to get smaller, rescue ace, vanquish, snake eyes, but essentially hardcore deck's, until Fiendsmith comes out, and they release that stupid two fusion TCG exclusive, necroquip and aerial eater, why that? Was a completely overkill. Now we just replacing engine's with others, Tenpai instead of Kashtira like in bologne, Ryzeal instead of snake eyes, malice instead of Yubel. It's like can we call Ryzeal deck Ryzeal? I don't think so, it's just another engine on another engine, there's is no practical difference between Ryzeal Fiendsmith Bystial and Tenpai Fiendsmith Bystial or Malice Fiendsmith Bystial, or however.
Oh, but Apollousa is ban, baronne is ban, Savage is ban, SE and Yubel are dead, really? We contenting with so little? 1k-1.5k just to play a robotic game? Where everyone trying to do the same moves?
What about people that invest their money into mermail, or plant, or Azamina, or White Forest? All dead so Fiendsmith Bystial Kashtira however can take place?
Based format wasn't just bad cause of scythe look and the dice roll filling, was also about every fuckin game looking the same, decide by the same fuckin card's, the same fuckin combos, the same fuckin win conditions. We should be creating Tear's and Runicks instead we content with the easy route. With decks that force you not to think, just memorize the best you can! Awful state, feel's like always getting a little worst...
Logical conclusion. We need limited to 3 lists like Duel Links
I was already doing the Tenpai side deck engine thing in Centurion hehe. But that deck sucks this format so I haven't been able to show it off :/
Try Centur-ion with Destruction Sword? They cover each others weaknesses very well from my very biased point of view. Lmao
That's side deck for the bystial maliss is just absolutely disgusting 😊
i am genuinely convinced that YGO players deserve the most horrible fates known to man, beast and ghost.
They should stop making archetypes and start making generic cards. They are railroading the player base.
All problems stem from fiendsmith. Remove the real problem of it being generic from the link 2 that goes into the link 1 and the meta shift will be phenomenal.
Now we have mitsurugi which is played with ryzeal
omg fiendsmith is in all the decks, no duh it's the best engine out right now, wait until azamina takes over
You might be backwards on your Azamina timeline...
@galzo nah I know azamina is going to be a solid deck and engine sooner rather than later. konami wants to sell their upcoming products, are you thinking I meant snake eye azamina with the two azamina extra deck slots nah full azamina gonna be good
I don't see much issue with Bystial. Its on and off with them. I mean look at a few months ago with the fire meta. Bystial usage dropped like a brick. Now that theirs a hyper active 1 card dark/light engine Bystials are back to put a damper on those strategies and do what they were made for interrupting GY plays. Maybe if Called By wasn't limited in the TCG I could see a reason to limit cards like Saronir or something, but overall Fiendsmith is the only annoying engine I've seen this format. Rzyeal isn't even to crazy until you factor in the Fiendsmith package.
I love this format and all these engines.
Imagine complaining about engines that force grind games and make you a better player through sequencing then fully supporting cards that are auto win buttons like puppet… cmon…smh
There is a a really distinct gap between the older and younger yugioh players. All my older players that still play really hate hand traps and want anything new and innovating to burn meanwhile the ones closer to my age think they know everything to a fault and make the game so mind boggling un-enjoyable you wish you just stayed home anytime you’re across the table from them. If we could lose the autistic and adhd mindsets that force us to think we know everything it would do a lot of good for this game. That and remembering it’s a game of chance at the end of the day and all we’re doing is pushing the odds in favor via deck building and learning the game
What bothers me the most, is that most of the new engines are so strong with no restrictions. On the other hand, konami brings out new types like Ashened (which i love), but with a stupid restriction....So was ragnaraika an that is BOTH OK, but there should be soft restrictions for EVERY theme.Even primite has restriction...you can decide to use tje effect or not 🤷
Engine meta was born to combat hand traps & exist because of the overwhelming number of one card starters we have now, if 1 or 2 hand traps is enough to stop me then why not also have another engine with one card starters that could help me make a board? The real problem is if you don’t get any hand traps & you going 2nd then you might as well scoop because your opponent gonna do the whole fiendsmith line & then whatever else is in their deck 😂
everyone whines of ocgs limits and yet their limits and bans are why we don't have pure piles with no locks between them in the kashtiras, fiendsmith and bystials.
We just got out of an entire year of 1 engine + 20 handtraps. I much prefer formats with multiple engines. Much more interactive. Trading handtraps is boring.
So banning eletramite because a single link monster made every pendulum deck the same deck but Konami makes engines that cost you a lot but can be used in every deck like findsmith and kash but it’s the link that’s the problem
I don't understand why 100% of people playing imperm is ok but 50% of people playing engraver is not ok
How much advantage does each of these cards generate each turn?
@galzo i mean engraver vs imperm is just a (slow) pop, the advantage is arguably comparable. Of course then fs gives you followup but imperm has its points going for it as well. Why can't we consider engraver, fenrir and magnamhut as staples at this point? At the end of the day that's what they are, they're not your main win condition
@@donaxygo Comparing imperm to engraver is wild
Once more yugitubers showing how they can complain of the state of the game no matter the situation: Tier 0, they cry because only one deck viable; lots of tier 1 without a clear winner, they cry because it's difficult to prepare for tournaments; Pure deck that controls the game like Kash or Labrynth; they cry due to prices; Board of 6 negates with apo, baronne; they cry until banlist hits, then proceed to cry about the next best ED boss monsters and now the engines are too good. If they were too bad or too restrictive they would criticize decek design. You cannot win
This is pretty gross , we need another banlist soon
I hate engines that have no restrictions and how the game is hyper focused on generic extra deck monsters.
Horus shouldn't be able to mix with tearlaments, kashtira, and yubel all in one deck. Its a shame that yugioh has become a game that revolves around playing busted engines/mixing them in everything.
I guess this is the curse of going too far with archetype designs that make them too accessible.
you really think that 60 card kash list is good? I mean as a branded player you're so used to bricking that you don't even take it into consideration, so thats fair I guess
Hate vs this kinda decks, I feel like I'm play vs kid that put all the cards they like in single deck.
Imagine complaining about a smokescreen side deck. The oldest Concept in the game.
I would love to see these engines get hit so there can more builds with the main decks them self. Down side is then every deck is just 15+ hand traps.
You only have to ban moon and 50% of the deck are done with fiendsmith. Everytime the same Shit ban this ban that i mean people want to ban tenpai now we habe ryzeal and maliss its better now ? 🤷🏻♂️
How is this an issue you either run supplement engines, hamdtraps, or board breakers. This is yughio. To run a pure decl of every card in a particular archetype when some cards are mediocre would be bad
FS makes,handtraps and board breakers useless.
@debbachedebbache5182 bystials make fiendsmith useless and kashtira makes bystials useless
@@jakeehwilliams8820 people have been saying the same thing fuwalos, bystials, unicorn makes FS bad but it actually doesnt. fuwa you can requim pass to summon lacrima send paaradise, unicorn you just run a 2nd requim, bystials, lacrima will just send another engraver so they will make either caesar or desirae. FS is so broken that nothing can stop it
@@debbachedebbache5182 you don't play bystials do youv
Personal idea, limit unicorn at 1 and fenrir at 2 or 1, put the field spell or kashtira birth at 1, unban arisehearth an put him at 1 so kashtira can be played as a main strategy.
For fiendsmith just some small hit (for now) like engraver at 1 and fiendsmith in paradise at 2. Bystial are fine they are only played because fiendsmith exist, the only change i can think its druiswurm at 1 and thats it.
I'm cool with these cards makes the game alot more interactive
All these engines are beatable. They all have weaknesses. Have people forgotten the snake eyes / yubel format already?
People lose a few games and winge that the cards that beat them must be banned. Everyone knows these engines are in decks so prepare for it.
This is still a better format than we have had. No doubt these cards will get limited and banned post stampede reprint. Then there will be new generic engines to cry over.
Better the devil you know.
Fiendsmith is extremely healthy for the Game. No Point in Hating it
No. No banning any card. limit druidswarm and maybe bystial lubellion(which i find incredibly stupid but whatever) and definitely limit engraver. YOUR problem is fixed.
Let us have our engines. What is the point of playing if we can't have them?
(Speaking to commenters)No, i don't care if you find the engines boring or annoying. I won't, and many others won't throw our decks and engines to the trash because you can't be arsed to deal with an engine, especially the bystial and kashtira. Enough with hitting and banning cards. We need to unban more.
hit Kashtira like masterduel does and bring arise-heart to make the deck somewhat playable for us kashtira players and the problem is solved with the kashtira engine
No, they should hit the engine and keep ariseheart banned. That card was toxic af
@ Dofus that card is legal in both ocg and master duel so clearly not 😂😂😂😂😂
I love it man. I don't think this is a problem at all. The theory crafting is incredibly fun, the interactions are fun, fiendsmith even if everywhere is FUN. It's not degenerate it's just a fun tool everyone can have if they want.
This is the most fun I've had playing yu gi oh in a very very long time
Just because somethign is everywhere, does not mean its a problem. Every single engine you mentioned has counters found in other engines, deck archetypes, etc.
Yu gi oh is finally FINALLY won on back and forth interactions, and not rock paper scissors haha i drew drnm + lightning storm
Engines ❤
And this is why yugitubers don’t make ban list. Complaining about engines? The multiple combos you can create? The fact ryzeal isn’t tier 0 thanks to the multiple decks being able to run different combos and responses to other decks. You want to be able to respond to to 1-2 cards and your opponent has to stop. Nah.
Yes it is good for the games a
healthy for the game & wont gethitbecause the list witch bad players don't understand not for fix the game meta it for sale shit they needed to repint everything first and we nkt getting a repint set until April we get a list before thatbin march i bet because the last one was on the 6th on December that be months
49 is not half 50% is half
Ban all link 2 and above. that won't fix it but it's part of the solution.
What are you even talking about? Like that makes no sense, at all
bro?? 😂 that doesn't fix anything, RIP rogue decks