Attention Spiral Beings! I must admit I missed a few things in my breakdown, turns out Simon is even stronger! The galaxies in the final battle are actually small universes, Simon himself is 11th dimensional due to absorbing the multi-dimensional labyrinth, and as the epilogue shows us, he’s continued to escalate in power, further surpassing the Anti-Spirals and is likely strong enough to combat the spiral nemesis itself. This puts him in the high complex multiversal-outerversal range! I’ve decided to keep the video as is because I’m very proud with how it turned out!
@@Beresunablle It's confirmed by the creators that they were in fact universes, but they had no way to draw it besides making them look like galaxies. Since the Anit-Spiral universe sits on the edge of the multiverse, it can gain access to a multitude of uiverses, like when they reached out to grab a hold of Earth.
Yeah, effecting causality kinds became the norm in the second half of gurren lagann even for the people on the ship not to even mention the actual fighters in the mecha's. I still remember the line "oh no we have a 0% chance of hitting the foe, okay use causality altering missiles and now its a 100% chance to hit and dmg them" haha
@@BLKW4RDR3M0N If Gojo's ability wasn't just infinite 1 dimensional space separating one point from another, and was instead infinite fractalling universes being birthed instantaneously to separate you.
This shit had me laughing loud asf at 3am. I can just imagine antispiral standing there dumbfounded, gobsmacked, befuddled, bewildered, flabbergasted, astonished, baffled, perplexed, puzzled, rattled, staggered, lost, stunned, mystified, floored even, upon hearing he was cooked because his opponent didn't even know how to read
The anti spirals unkowingly handicapped themselves. They were so afraid of their own power they essentially voluntarily all gave up their lives to combine their power into one massive hive mind. Their error was believing there was a cap to their power. Simone saw every attempt to stop him or limit him as just another barrier to drill through, including his own limitations. He beat the anti spirals at their own game becuase they believed in limitations and he did not.
Well, they did know what they were doing , and it wasn’t an easy choice for them either. They thought it was the only way to stop the endless cycle of the spiral, literally stopping it from drilling on. It was a choice, we never see what happens next, if the spiral goes unchecked. What’s truly affascinating about ttgl is that Simon could very well become the antispiral at any point, or even better, the anti spiral IS Simon. Always repeating the endless cycle, such as a spiral (or an oroboro for that matter)
Really? I heard that Anti-Spiral willingly restricts themself to the power level of their opponent, so they feel the most despair when they get beat by someone who is just as strong as them.
This was a nice video, but it's worth mentioning that it's been stated before that the "galaxies" seen in the final battle are actually universes. The animation team didn't have a better way to convey that image, so it ended up looking like they were significantly smaller than the intended scale.
@@TheMKninja Yeah, it doesn't really affect the scale. It's just something that makes the whole thing far more ridiculous and impressive given than the STTGL is now itself orders of magnitude larger.
@@TheMKninja If an entity can effect multiple multiverses, or can create a space with multiple multiverses, wouldn't the next logical step be "ultraversal"? (Universe : Square) < (Multiverse : Cube) < (Ultraverse : Tesseract)
@@TheMKninja totally agreed Especially with recent problems with friends of mine I find rewatching the show truly motivational Especially seeing Simon move on and grow stronger God I love this show
@@mddavids8778simons character development is truly some of my favorite in anime and kamina is definitely up there with inspirational fictional characters for me that was a really well written character through and through
@@servine1212 simon has a physical form, Kamina literally came back from the dead and broke into the multiversal labyrinth and brought his team back. He is on the same level as Simon but didn't interfere because it wasn't his place to dictate the matters of the living. That's how I like to view it.
Bro won a fist-fight with causality itself. Not some representation... Literally inevitability personified. He beat it up. He is literally stronger than god.
I like how in the end, he doesn’t continue to use his powers for universal endeavors and such. He becomes a homeless guy who helps small villages find water (in the movies) and helping kids open coconuts. He leaves it to the future generation. He even said it during the final fight, “this drill will open a hole in the universe, and that hole will be a path for those behind us.” If Gurren Lagann continued, the kid with the coconut would probably become stronger than Simon.
He also stopped because the endless Spiral Energy would create another universe that would become the Spiral Nemesis... which happened at least once and is what the new generation of people are fighting against.
He stopped himself of becoming the monster that would end everything just to suffice his need of more and more. And even then, after stopping every use of the spiral energy, he's basically semi immortal, just look at his eyes in the ending.
You didn’t give credit to the true protagonist and true mvp of the series: Boota. If he hadn’t sacrificed his ass to feed Simon and Kamina in episode 4, it would have been game over. *Ahem* nice vid.
He also had enough Spiral Power to boost the Cathedral Terra. Truly a valued member of Team Dai-Gurren! I love the little Boota that came with my Simon Nendoroid.
10:38 The writers actually confirmed those are universes. They just didnt know how to draw them so they just made the galaxy bigger. Look at the zoom out post tike labrynth. Why would they zoom out from a galaxy to another galaxy? It also makes sense with the scaling of the show. Since anti spiral is a 10D being, a big bang is virtually nothing to them.
Simon was so powerful, he basically becomes a hermit for the rest of his life because if he got any stronger his power would unravel the fabric of the universe.
Well, goku would kill this clown over and over again until he submits. He may be Immortal, but thay doesn't mean he can't feel pain lol😂 still, how long do u think this weakling can withstand being obliterates by a ki blast over and over an over and over and over again?
I always wondered how in the world simone would protect the universe from the spiral nemesis if he was just going to die in ~80 years. Being immortal probably helps
Its funny to think Simon ate about 3 multiverses over the course of the series. He absorbed the energy from the dense space pool (made up from other fallen spiral warriors from different universes). The Multi dimensional time labrynth (pretty straight forward) and the Infinity big bang storm.
As someone who is currently making a google doc (20k words so far) outlining all different scaling chains, different continuity scales and such. Also including trasnslating the dictionary, work soul and final drill and more. I wanna give you praise to how well read this video is, on top of being a good video in general. I I'm proud of how the community is still active and alive to this day.
Admittedly I did scale Simon a little too low because I missed a few details. I’d more put him in High Complex Multiversal or Hyperversal, with the potential to go higher considering Spiral Power’s infinite potential. But thank you for the praise!
@@TheMKninja Yeah, no problem I noticed the post universal metas for Gurren Lagann were missing, but I don't think this detracts of the quality of the video. And I also want to say that Simon has multiple other feats and statements (a vast majority of which are author ones) for hyperspace and even above, but it is impossible to outline that in a video(I've tried.)
@@baboin1851 I’m addressing part of it in a future video. I usually focus on exploring themes and ideas when it comes to anime, that’s what most other Gurren Lagann Month videos were about (even if previous years are outdated) so it’s new territory for me. I’m happy to see the community is still active and alive, and if I can help bring some of that together with a video, that’s a proud feeling. Next year’s videos are going to be even better.
@@TheMKninjayooo, hi it's me again. I thought your name rang a bell, but exactly 29 days ago we talked on the powerscaling subreddit. You asked for my stance on powerscaling Kittan. And I responded with the information I had then.
simon at the star is jsut a kid, simon at final is overpowered, he fought the enbodiment of stagnation and nihilism, he is close to god tier level, atleast his will is turlly crushing.
I should've mentioned this, but he's kind of beyond god level, since his growth is infinite. We can all aspire to be like him, fighting against the impulse and soceital pressures to stay the same or submit, and bloom into something great and powerful; our true selves.
Saitama gets one shot on multiple plaines of existence because he can’t exponentially grow to scale high enough literally ever. Even if he had infinite time for growth it would still be on a 3rd dimensional space while simon is in the 11th and grows faster in that 11th dimensional space, probably even being able to bypass it eventually as he’s shown growing out of different dimensional levels in the past if given enough time. It’s the same idea of saitama one shorting cosmic fear garou after going back in time, garou didn’t have enough time to copy saitama, but the concept is on crack when it comes to saitama vs simon. Sorry.
I like to believe Simon could defeat Gold Experience Requiem through raw spirit alone. How are you supposed to reduce his willpower to zero when it out-scales your own?
Taking into account a stand ia a manifestation of your fighting spirit and all spiral energy is is the indomitability of spirit, the second Simon sets foot in the JoJo universe he would most likely awaken the most busted and broken stand by sheer will alone, like Tusk 4 levels of insane
GER has only been shown to function in the 5th dimension if you’re generous on how King Crimson’s time erasure works. But GER wouldn’t be able to comprehend Simon’s attacks as they are in the 11th dimension.
That ending made me cry dude. This video made me so happy because I don’t see enough people talking about how ridiculous the power levels are in Gurren Lagann.
My biggest regret is that I should’ve scaled him higher. I did say he absorbed the labyrinth, but forgot to mention 11D. I’m happy with the video, but honestly, Simon basically scales infinitely.
Its technical ‘limit’ is just how much the universe can withstand before collapsing. So Spiral Power itself is unlimited, the universe isn’t. Technically Simon can grow infinitely, as can everyone in Team Dai-Gurren.
Simone and spiral power operate thusly: as long as simone keeps his cycle up of belief in the simone that believes in him, a positive feedback loop will be created where the net gain is more power and if that cycle remains unbroken and he keeps up his determination then his power will spiral into infinity. Ites truly mind bending how powerful simone can become. @harrythompson-heap9754
@@TheMKninja Yep. The universe where Simon DIDN'T stop is where the Spiral Nemesis was created (I think it's nemesis), which is actually their enemy when Simon is retired. That Spiral Nemesis is an entire Galaxy/Universe born of Spiral Power.
like by the shows own rules Spiral power just straight up ignores logical reasoning in favour of "winning anyway as long as we think we can". Just completely the "I reject your reality and substitute my own" mindset but done is such a great way that it's always amazing. Simon win's basically any *but can he beat...* argument because to put it simply "Simon's strength/power = yes". Spiral power allows him to be as strong as required as long as he believes it to be so...And like by the end of the show there's a less than 0% chance of breaking his spirit anymore. It's literally the rule of cool except in this setting not making sense even in context just makes it make even more sense.
By the end of the show, even attempting to break his spirit just reinforces it further since it shows that they think he can win too, so they try to get him to give in. Simon is a cliché Shonen protagonist in the best way.
About the only thing that can beat Simon is narrative tiering. A being that can step Above the medium the fight is occuring in. For example: Popeye in one cartoon stepped out of his animation cell to threaten the artist. This would allow him to go "Hey, write me as beating this Simon guy.", and thus he would.
Ye let's call it cool factor. Simon will basically just say "FCCKKK YOUIUUU!!!!" then proceeds to materialise a giga outerversal godly futa mech which then proceeds to shoot spiral sperm which destroys reality itself
That's why Super Robot shows are that GOOD SHIT! Sometimes you just wanna see a hero get so hyped up that they totally break all the laws of reality and beat the bad guy with their biggest, coolest attacks. Or even better, seeing them get out of the robot for the final battle and settle it with their fists.
Its been said by the studio that the spiral galaxies shown when they get into their final forms (movie) aren't, in fact, galaxies but universes. They didn't know how to display a universe so they look like spirals. Which makes his power even crazier tier wise.
I know. I've gotten better at power scaling, and I plan on redoing this kinda video for a 2k subscriber special. And recent scaling has SImon around hyperversal to outerversal. But yeah, the scaling is nuts.
Simon's power is that of the indominable human spirit. As long as he believes he can do it, he can do it. That is the message of the show and it is god damn beautiful.
Also, lets not forget simon is 1 warrior. Hes fighting an ENTIRE SPECIES OF ESSENTIALLY SIMONS. Bros built different. Simon also had infinite power since they first entered anti spiral space.
Yup, there are two actually! One for each arc. Second movie is better, adapts the arc smoother and gives us more badassery. I made a video on my thoughts, but I’d recommend watching them first. They released in Western theaters this year and were dubbed for the first time. Glorious seeing them on a big screen, if you can do it with a projector or something, do it.
@@TheMKninja Simon was really confirmed to be in this season's fighter? Sweet. I thought they would have only talked about if Simon could beat Goku from DB cast.
I'm really worried they're gonna do him dirty and lowball his infinite growth Man can essentially manually evolve into whatever he needs to be at any given moment. "Oh, I need to affect the 20th dimension to attack you? I'll affect that, and the 21st!"
He's one of the strongest characters in fiction just based on Simon boosting his team to Universal Level along with him in the movie version of the final battle!😱 Only fighters who can contend with Simon are Gag,Parody, and author wanked characters at their maximum interpretations based on their narratives along with their fanbases!😤
Simon is goated, but lets be real, there are plenty stronger than him, even without wank, gag or parody. just going by what you said, Simon is an author wanked character at his maximum interpretation based on the narrative lol.
Goku clears this guy with no difficulty. If they were to battle, the fight would last less than 20 seconds. If even that. Imagine thinking a human in a mech suit can beat a literal alien who can blow up planets without breaking a sweat😂 Of he's strong then goku is invincible
@@animecity9678 destroying planets? Super Gurren lagann tengen toppa was using whole galaxies as Frisbees and here is a fun fact for you. At the bare minimum, a galaxy contains about 800 billion planets, trillions at the most. Nobody in dbz has anything that could even remotely hurt this guy. Upon reaserching further into it, those "galaxies" are actually universe's. The author in an interview said that he didn't know how to actually draw universe's sonhe drew them like galaxies. This man was using entire universe's as Frisbees. The guy could literally just pick up the dragonball universe's and play marbles with them.
10:58 You made an error, TTGL isnt standing on a galaxy, its standing on a universe, the creator just didnt know how to draw one so he drew it in the style of a galaxy
@@Simon_the_digger I know. I thought of editing a new version but decided against it. I gave a better look at Simon’s strength in my ‘Why Simon beats Goku’ video, and I’ll be discussing his power again when I talk about the upcoming Simon vs Kyle DB.
God damnit, why does that saying always bring tears to my eyes? "Believe in yourself, not in the Simon that I believe in, not even in the kamina that you believe in. Believe in the Simon who believes in you. ToT
It's something I've done to celebrate the anime. It premiered April 1st, and I was born April 30th. Since it's my favorite show, I've done videos every year for some time. It's similar to when PBG did Zelda Month.
Imagine spiral beings used green lantern rings. That would be unfair, unlimited green lantern battery and overpowered will power, now imagne they also had Haki as well.
If you REALLY wanna get powerscale-y, him having infinite fully realized spiral power (im the movie where he did STTGL) means he can do literally anything. This plus having multiple immeasurable stats as a product of this means that he's quite possibly tier 0 (in powerscaling terms), and the only tier 0 being capable of killing other tier 0s by nature of his spiral power growing even further beyond infinite power literally every second of every day for him.
I always read the Anti-Spirals as an inevitable consequence of Energy in the Universe, Malevolence aside, they're a result of how energy grows. And Simon's overwhelming of them was a message about the Human Spirit's ability to constantly grow. Not reactionary, but proactive. It's still ridiculous, but I think the message of humans overcoming obstacles, regardless of size, is the intention. It's not necessarily something I agree with, but it's inspiring.
They're from the Parallel Works, which originally were separate content to explain lore or alternate universes, but those clips were added to the beginning of the first movie, as they show Lordgenome's origin.
I have never watched a whole episode but I have enough interest in the show that I hope that when death battle does Simon vsWhite Lantern they remember that in the final fight they were casually throwing around UNIVERSES NOT GALAXIES. If they say galaxies that is a MASSIVE Lowball
I don’t think you can just say that Simon is just as strong as his team ups, there’s a reason why it’s preferred Simon has a partner when piloting Gurren Laggan and why he needed help taking out the final boss
Great video and a good, accurate scale. I'd have them at the same scale. Pretty much all scales that I've seen that are higher than high 1-C are kind of unrealistic and easy to debunk.
DONT BELIEVE IN YOURSELF, BELIEVE IN THE ME THAT BELIEVES IN YOU! (oh btw the author didnt know how to draw universes so the galaxies are actually universes ;) )
Yup, I recalled this fact sometime after the video was uploaded, unfortunately. I made a pinned comment clarifying this. I would re-upload an edited version, but it’s very rare a small RUclipsr has a video grow as quickly as this one.
The Cruel Indifference of the Universe means nothing to the Indomitable Human Spirit. And this show proves that. If Simon can fight GOD, we can fight and overcome our hardships just like it's nothing.
I love this anime so goddamn much, and to me, this is just my opinion and I’m not saying to at it’s gonna be true with everyone, this show is on a scale of greatness that is comparable to dragon ball, and very other anime I’ve seen. It’s amazing and I’m dying to see more if this show in the future.
this is how I believe spiral power functions: spiral power itself is proportionate to opposing forces and obstacles, it scales up near equivalent energy and is dependent on the user to bridge the gap or surpass it but the growth is exponential. If a man fights a beast maybe he'll gain capability to defeat it with enough effort and intelligence but he couldn't fight anything stronger until he reaches that level. And in the world of Gurren lagann it seems to be best manifested and harnessed through some kind of vessel like a vehicle or mecha but at some point someone can become powerful enough to render those mute. Spiral Power is the ability to Overcome but not necessarily make up or manifest something like wishful thinking at least not until youre altering the laws of a universe itself. It's not a power that just grows with screaming or wishing or wanting something so much, not a power that is all powerful to begin with or strong, and it's not without cost, it can be just evolution which takes millions of years or something that in a moment needs to rise to usurp despair, pain and suffering. i'd also like to point out that in many instances spiral power was used not just as brute force but as a spear to hit vital points to forces that seemed all imposing and nigh unimpeachable. this is also why I think spiral power is better than abilities like the transformations in dragon ball where a character can just get stronger because they want or need to and try hard or long enough. in gurren lagann there is risk and there is immense loss, there are consequences, conditions and counters and even some strategy, not merely whos beam is stronger (yeah the giant drill off seems like that but we actually lost that fight until it was left to simon to try something different)
You should've been there to argue in that death battle episode of Goku vs Simon. The guy repping Gurren Lagann just spoke shit from his mouth and couldn't explain anything, he just said "he got that dog in him" like 20 times.
It was actually a db cast which is not the official episode. A db cast is basically an argument between 2 characters on who would win without any in-depth research. And besides, its confirmed that simon the digger vs kyle rayner is gonna be happening this year in an actual db episode and not a cast. Which means there is going to be more in-depth research for both characters.
@jocelyngilcatinoy4255 more people are familiar with death battle and not the cast ver as they are basically the same but cast is just worse cause no script lol
The light novels and other media really help support outerversal scaling, and I do want to take another stab at scaling Simon now that I've gotten a lot better at power scaling
@@TheMKninja I think you should and the only reason i mention this cause death battle is doing simon the digger against kyle rayner and their both powerful in their own way, i dont do power scaling that much but it seems fun, I hope you do post more videos about character like this or just power scaling videos cause they seem very good
Personally, i alawys thought in the final show down the anti spiral lost, because by always tryign to equal their enemies power. the greater the power the more of a difference can be made in the moment. however once it went down to fisticuffs, the physical power portrayed was small enough that jsut by simply improving throught he fight, or through willpower youd be at the top again. and with simons will power, there again. was noi limit
This is a great video but i don’t think the conclusion that lagan is equal to ttgl really makes sense. the final blow was delivered by him but it was more of a final resort, and i would say that both parties in the battle were tired out. I would understand he’s near in power but probably not equal
@@TheMKninjaI can tell lol Can't wait to see the new video about it since TTGL is both bat shit insane and underrated in these talks since few like to think a Mecha Show can reach such Cosmic Levels that Transcends the boundaries we thought were there.
Yeah I scaled him a bit too low, I think Hyperversal-Outerversal is the proper range. I was still getting used to the terminology when I made this video.
Only being in anime or manga that could beat him is Saitama…and that’s cause that’s what he’s supposed to do that’s his character..even still crazy match up
How powerful is Simon without the lagann? Doesn't he need it to use any spiral energy at all? Edit: so I didn't know there is movies. In the anime he doesn't run the ones with the anti spiral, he kills it with lagann.
@@victorminor1283 He is the one who powers Lagann, and we saw him at the end of the child arc, defeat Lordgenome with just Spiral Power. Obviously the movies show it a little better with him fist-fighting a literal god.
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Attention Spiral Beings! I must admit I missed a few things in my breakdown, turns out Simon is even stronger! The galaxies in the final battle are actually small universes, Simon himself is 11th dimensional due to absorbing the multi-dimensional labyrinth, and as the epilogue shows us, he’s continued to escalate in power, further surpassing the Anti-Spirals and is likely strong enough to combat the spiral nemesis itself. This puts him in the high complex multiversal-outerversal range! I’ve decided to keep the video as is because I’m very proud with how it turned out!
As you should be. This video is 10/10
And yet at end of his journey he still chooses to step aside for the next generation to just be "some guy". The absolute unit.
Lol when did it indicated it's universes it's definitely just galaxies no doubt about it.
@@Beresunablle It's confirmed by the creators that they were in fact universes, but they had no way to draw it besides making them look like galaxies. Since the Anit-Spiral universe sits on the edge of the multiverse, it can gain access to a multitude of uiverses, like when they reached out to grab a hold of Earth.
@TheMKninja I don't have a direct source, but I've heard this from dozens of second-hand sources.
Simon’s the kind of guy who would beat Gojo not by bypassing infinity, but by breaking through it.
Yeah, effecting causality kinds became the norm in the second half of gurren lagann even for the people on the ship not to even mention the actual fighters in the mecha's. I still remember the line "oh no we have a 0% chance of hitting the foe, okay use causality altering missiles and now its a 100% chance to hit and dmg them" haha
You're not wrong, that's essentially what the multiversal labyrinth is.
@@BLKW4RDR3M0N If Gojo's ability wasn't just infinite 1 dimensional space separating one point from another, and was instead infinite fractalling universes being birthed instantaneously to separate you.
He wouldn't even need to he goes so much faster than light he'd just do it so that it would be harder on him
My drill is the drill who will pierce the heavens!
AntiSpiral: Impossible! intelligent beings can't break through the multiversal labyrinth!
Simon: WE ARE NOT INTELLIGENT ! !
WHAT IS A PROPER EDUCATION GOT TO DO WITH SURVIVING!!!!! DRILL THROUGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
This shit had me laughing loud asf at 3am. I can just imagine antispiral standing there dumbfounded, gobsmacked, befuddled, bewildered, flabbergasted, astonished, baffled, perplexed, puzzled, rattled, staggered, lost, stunned, mystified, floored even, upon hearing he was cooked because his opponent didn't even know how to read
@@litpotat5601😂😂😂bruh
Can u explain flabbergasted,baffled meant? @@litpotat5601
How strong is Simon?
Yes
however strong he needs to be in order to Peirce the heavens and beyond
The anti spirals unkowingly handicapped themselves. They were so afraid of their own power they essentially voluntarily all gave up their lives to combine their power into one massive hive mind. Their error was believing there was a cap to their power. Simone saw every attempt to stop him or limit him as just another barrier to drill through, including his own limitations. He beat the anti spirals at their own game becuase they believed in limitations and he did not.
Well, they did know what they were doing , and it wasn’t an easy choice for them either. They thought it was the only way to stop the endless cycle of the spiral, literally stopping it from drilling on. It was a choice, we never see what happens next, if the spiral goes unchecked. What’s truly affascinating about ttgl is that Simon could very well become the antispiral at any point, or even better, the anti spiral IS Simon. Always repeating the endless cycle, such as a spiral (or an oroboro for that matter)
I guess they just didn't know who the hell they were fighting...
@DeleriumHAHAwell now they’re fighting the end of the spiral
*instagram peak writing gif*
Really? I heard that Anti-Spiral willingly restricts themself to the power level of their opponent, so they feel the most despair when they get beat by someone who is just as strong as them.
Saiyans: We are the strongest race in the universe, we grow stronger the closer we get to death!
Humanity: Let me see you grit those teeth!
Simon: Hold my drill
MY DRILL WILL CREATE HEVENS AND PIERCE THROUGH THE
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This was a nice video, but it's worth mentioning that it's been stated before that the "galaxies" seen in the final battle are actually universes. The animation team didn't have a better way to convey that image, so it ended up looking like they were significantly smaller than the intended scale.
Fair, but even without that detail, he's high-complex multiversal
@@TheMKninja Yeah, it doesn't really affect the scale. It's just something that makes the whole thing far more ridiculous and impressive given than the STTGL is now itself orders of magnitude larger.
@@TheMKninja If an entity can effect multiple multiverses, or can create a space with multiple multiverses, wouldn't the next logical step be "ultraversal"?
(Universe : Square) < (Multiverse : Cube) < (Ultraverse : Tesseract)
@@NomimizuShinobu Yes, I made a mistake in my final scaling. I should’ve declared Simon higher than multiversal
Thats crazy
The single character that changed my view of life
Truly he is the soul of team dai gurren
He is truly an inspiration, and one of my favorite characters of all time.
@@TheMKninja totally agreed
Especially with recent problems with friends of mine
I find rewatching the show truly motivational
Especially seeing Simon move on and grow stronger
God I love this show
I know right, Boota is such a goat. That Simon guy is alright to I guess
@@mddavids8778simons character development is truly some of my favorite in anime and kamina is definitely up there with inspirational fictional characters for me that was a really well written character through and through
@Roggitussin8008 my blood brother I fully agree with you 🗿
Don't forget Kanina is dead and can still talk to people, he literally just goes "That's just my physical form! You dumbass!"
Im prett6 sure kamina is also by far the weakest in terms of spyral power.
@@servine1212or the literal embodiment of spiral energy if u wanna get deep about it
@@tarodfowlkes3934 would that not be simone?
@@servine1212 simon has a physical form, Kamina literally came back from the dead and broke into the multiversal labyrinth and brought his team back. He is on the same level as Simon but didn't interfere because it wasn't his place to dictate the matters of the living.
That's how I like to view it.
@@AshWinder729such a gigachad
“Can he beat goku” fans bearing witness to the indomitable human spirit
Bro won a fist-fight with causality itself. Not some representation... Literally inevitability personified. He beat it up. He is literally stronger than god.
i swear to god if soemone says "can he beat gooku tho ?" after seeing this video, i will find you, and i will educate you...
I'm inside your walls
Ahh threat hahaha
But can he beat goku?
@@AustralianBird i am in your walls
@@BlueBotAnims😳😱😰
Iterator pfp?
I like how in the end, he doesn’t continue to use his powers for universal endeavors and such. He becomes a homeless guy who helps small villages find water (in the movies) and helping kids open coconuts. He leaves it to the future generation. He even said it during the final fight, “this drill will open a hole in the universe, and that hole will be a path for those behind us.” If Gurren Lagann continued, the kid with the coconut would probably become stronger than Simon.
He also stopped because the endless Spiral Energy would create another universe that would become the Spiral Nemesis... which happened at least once and is what the new generation of people are fighting against.
He stopped himself of becoming the monster that would end everything just to suffice his need of more and more.
And even then, after stopping every use of the spiral energy, he's basically semi immortal, just look at his eyes in the ending.
You didn’t give credit to the true protagonist and true mvp of the series: Boota. If he hadn’t sacrificed his ass to feed Simon and Kamina in episode 4, it would have been game over.
*Ahem* nice vid.
He also had enough Spiral Power to boost the Cathedral Terra. Truly a valued member of Team Dai-Gurren! I love the little Boota that came with my Simon Nendoroid.
Also, antispirals don’t instantly annihilated dai Gurren Dan bcs they detected some weird type of spiral energy(boota)
10:38 The writers actually confirmed those are universes. They just didnt know how to draw them so they just made the galaxy bigger. Look at the zoom out post tike labrynth. Why would they zoom out from a galaxy to another galaxy? It also makes sense with the scaling of the show. Since anti spiral is a 10D being, a big bang is virtually nothing to them.
Simon was so powerful, he basically becomes a hermit for the rest of his life because if he got any stronger his power would unravel the fabric of the universe.
Not really, he just did it cuz he wanted to
tengen toppa gurren lagann is actually bigger than universes, the creator just didnt know how to draw them so he drew them as galaxies
Yeah I realized that after the fact. There will be a video tomorrow where I correct upon this.
Row Row FIGHT THE POWER!
DO THE IMPOSSIBLE, SEE THE INVISIBLE
Row Row FIGHT THE POWER!
TOUCH THE UNTOUCHABLE, BREAK THE UNBREAKANLE
row row, fight the power
FIGHT THE POWER!
…and he’s also immortal by the end of the series iirc. Cause Lord Genome was and Simon has the same spiral coloured eyes.
Well, goku would kill this clown over and over again until he submits. He may be Immortal, but thay doesn't mean he can't feel pain lol😂 still, how long do u think this weakling can withstand being obliterates by a ki blast over and over an over and over and over again?
I always wondered how in the world simone would protect the universe from the spiral nemesis if he was just going to die in ~80 years. Being immortal probably helps
@@animecity9678 never man THE DUDE BECOMES A GOD BIGGER THEN A UNIVERSAL
Its funny to think Simon ate about 3 multiverses over the course of the series. He absorbed the energy from the dense space pool (made up from other fallen spiral warriors from different universes). The Multi dimensional time labrynth (pretty straight forward) and the Infinity big bang storm.
As someone who is currently making a google doc (20k words so far) outlining all different scaling chains, different continuity scales and such. Also including trasnslating the dictionary, work soul and final drill and more. I wanna give you praise to how well read this video is, on top of being a good video in general. I
I'm proud of how the community is still active and alive to this day.
Admittedly I did scale Simon a little too low because I missed a few details. I’d more put him in High Complex Multiversal or Hyperversal, with the potential to go higher considering Spiral Power’s infinite potential. But thank you for the praise!
@@TheMKninja Yeah, no problem I noticed the post universal metas for Gurren Lagann were missing, but I don't think this detracts of the quality of the video. And I also want to say that Simon has multiple other feats and statements (a vast majority of which are author ones) for hyperspace and even above, but it is impossible to outline that in a video(I've tried.)
@@baboin1851 I’m addressing part of it in a future video. I usually focus on exploring themes and ideas when it comes to anime, that’s what most other Gurren Lagann Month videos were about (even if previous years are outdated) so it’s new territory for me. I’m happy to see the community is still active and alive, and if I can help bring some of that together with a video, that’s a proud feeling. Next year’s videos are going to be even better.
@@TheMKninjayooo, hi it's me again. I thought your name rang a bell, but exactly 29 days ago we talked on the powerscaling subreddit. You asked for my stance on powerscaling Kittan. And I responded with the information I had then.
@@baboin1851 Yup, I remember that now.
simon at the star is jsut a kid, simon at final is overpowered, he fought the enbodiment of stagnation and nihilism, he is close to god tier level, atleast his will is turlly crushing.
I should've mentioned this, but he's kind of beyond god level, since his growth is infinite. We can all aspire to be like him, fighting against the impulse and soceital pressures to stay the same or submit, and bloom into something great and powerful; our true selves.
@TheMKninja if this weakling is God tier then goku is an all powerful omnipotent being that surpasses the gods. Prove me wrong😂
@@animecity9678 bait used to be believable
I would hazard a bet that the final form could take out base Saitama by simply doing too much damage before his exponential growth can catch up
Thats Saitamas trick, he is Simons Spiral Equal
The multiverse needed some sort of equilibrium
Saitama ain't doing sht against simon willpower
He can logaritmically get stronger ?
Sure ! , simon can get logaritmically stronger +1 !
@@elcalabozodelandroide2 nice Yu-Gi-Oh reference 😂
Saitama gets one shot on multiple plaines of existence because he can’t exponentially grow to scale high enough literally ever. Even if he had infinite time for growth it would still be on a 3rd dimensional space while simon is in the 11th and grows faster in that 11th dimensional space, probably even being able to bypass it eventually as he’s shown growing out of different dimensional levels in the past if given enough time. It’s the same idea of saitama one shorting cosmic fear garou after going back in time, garou didn’t have enough time to copy saitama, but the concept is on crack when it comes to saitama vs simon. Sorry.
It wouldn't matter, Simon's growth is infinitely faster than saitama's
This is the video that convinced me to finally watch Gurren Lagann.
I like to believe Simon could defeat Gold Experience Requiem through raw spirit alone. How are you supposed to reduce his willpower to zero when it out-scales your own?
Spiral Power VS Revert to Zero gets you Infinity minus Infinity.
It doesn't even make sense.
@@calemr Gonna be honest, Simon would just Determinator his way through GER.
Goku would deystroy this clown.
Taking into account a stand ia a manifestation of your fighting spirit and all spiral energy is is the indomitability of spirit, the second Simon sets foot in the JoJo universe he would most likely awaken the most busted and broken stand by sheer will alone, like Tusk 4 levels of insane
GER has only been shown to function in the 5th dimension if you’re generous on how King Crimson’s time erasure works. But GER wouldn’t be able to comprehend Simon’s attacks as they are in the 11th dimension.
Crazy this video hasn't hit algorithm yet. Deserves at least 1k views. Keep it up. You will grow. This so good content
That ending made me cry dude. This video made me so happy because I don’t see enough people talking about how ridiculous the power levels are in Gurren Lagann.
How strong is Simon? How strong can you imagine someone to be? He can imagine infinitely more than that, and then become that powerful.
According to promo stuff, the dimensional labyrinth was between the 11 and 12th dimension so you can get him higher if you want
My biggest regret is that I should’ve scaled him higher. I did say he absorbed the labyrinth, but forgot to mention 11D. I’m happy with the video, but honestly, Simon basically scales infinitely.
Fairly certain the limit of spiral power is an imaginary number.
Its technical ‘limit’ is just how much the universe can withstand before collapsing. So Spiral Power itself is unlimited, the universe isn’t. Technically Simon can grow infinitely, as can everyone in Team Dai-Gurren.
@@TheMKninja so it’s basically an n+1 scenario, where n is the opponents powers and Simon is always +1.
As long as Simon doesn’t lose faith (which all things considered, is basically impossible), then he’ll always outgrow his opponent.
Simone and spiral power operate thusly: as long as simone keeps his cycle up of belief in the simone that believes in him, a positive feedback loop will be created where the net gain is more power and if that cycle remains unbroken and he keeps up his determination then his power will spiral into infinity. Ites truly mind bending how powerful simone can become. @harrythompson-heap9754
@@TheMKninja Yep. The universe where Simon DIDN'T stop is where the Spiral Nemesis was created (I think it's nemesis), which is actually their enemy when Simon is retired. That Spiral Nemesis is an entire Galaxy/Universe born of Spiral Power.
Absolutely Amazing Video! Thank You!
YES YES FINALLY A VIDEO ON GURREN LAGANN POWERSCALING VIDEO THIS ANIME IS AN UNDERRATED GEM
I've done lots of other videos on the series if you're interested
like by the shows own rules Spiral power just straight up ignores logical reasoning in favour of "winning anyway as long as we think we can". Just completely the "I reject your reality and substitute my own" mindset but done is such a great way that it's always amazing.
Simon win's basically any *but can he beat...* argument because to put it simply "Simon's strength/power = yes". Spiral power allows him to be as strong as required as long as he believes it to be so...And like by the end of the show there's a less than 0% chance of breaking his spirit anymore.
It's literally the rule of cool except in this setting not making sense even in context just makes it make even more sense.
By the end of the show, even attempting to break his spirit just reinforces it further since it shows that they think he can win too, so they try to get him to give in. Simon is a cliché Shonen protagonist in the best way.
About the only thing that can beat Simon is narrative tiering.
A being that can step Above the medium the fight is occuring in.
For example: Popeye in one cartoon stepped out of his animation cell to threaten the artist.
This would allow him to go "Hey, write me as beating this Simon guy.", and thus he would.
@@calemr Toon's are a whole different thing. "Toon Force" is a tier all it's own.
Ye let's call it cool factor. Simon will basically just say "FCCKKK YOUIUUU!!!!" then proceeds to materialise a giga outerversal godly futa mech which then proceeds to shoot spiral sperm which destroys reality itself
That's why Super Robot shows are that GOOD SHIT! Sometimes you just wanna see a hero get so hyped up that they totally break all the laws of reality and beat the bad guy with their biggest, coolest attacks. Or even better, seeing them get out of the robot for the final battle and settle it with their fists.
Its so funny how like kamina, simons inspiration is like mountain level and simon is like multiversal😭
Its been said by the studio that the spiral galaxies shown when they get into their final forms (movie) aren't, in fact, galaxies but universes. They didn't know how to display a universe so they look like spirals. Which makes his power even crazier tier wise.
I know. I've gotten better at power scaling, and I plan on redoing this kinda video for a 2k subscriber special. And recent scaling has SImon around hyperversal to outerversal. But yeah, the scaling is nuts.
one of my favorite anime of all time! thank you for the nostalgia trip!
Death Battle should use this video to learn his feats!
Thanks but I disagree. I missed a few things. I intend on revisiting Simon's power in the future.
0:53 I as child yearned for the mines
everyone in the gurren universe can basically solo almost any character from any series ngl
Simon's power is that of the indominable human spirit. As long as he believes he can do it, he can do it. That is the message of the show and it is god damn beautiful.
Also, lets not forget simon is 1 warrior. Hes fighting an ENTIRE SPECIES OF ESSENTIALLY SIMONS. Bros built different. Simon also had infinite power since they first entered anti spiral space.
There is a movie?! Oh boy i know what ill be doing today
Yup, there are two actually! One for each arc. Second movie is better, adapts the arc smoother and gives us more badassery. I made a video on my thoughts, but I’d recommend watching them first. They released in Western theaters this year and were dubbed for the first time. Glorious seeing them on a big screen, if you can do it with a projector or something, do it.
Old Simon still has all this power too which is crazy.
Simon and Gurren Lagann should definitely be in a Death Battle.
Simon is confirmed to appear next season. And I'm making a more in-depth look at the crazy abilities he has in a future video.
@@TheMKninja Simon was really confirmed to be in this season's fighter? Sweet. I thought they would have only talked about if Simon could beat Goku from DB cast.
I'm really worried they're gonna do him dirty and lowball his infinite growth
Man can essentially manually evolve into whatever he needs to be at any given moment. "Oh, I need to affect the 20th dimension to attack you? I'll affect that, and the 21st!"
@@TheMKninja A video about covering Kyle Rayner's abilities would be sweet he's the DC Goat
@@Keii898 I'm not much of a DC fan, sorry. There's other people more qualified to discuss that than me. I only know some stuff about Kyle.
Years have passed but still goosebumps
Bro you making a power scaling video or an inspirational speach
Why not both
I especially am proud you used the proper translation for the multi dimensional labyrinth.
Simon is without a doubt the second strongest character in the setting after Lordgenome.
I'll check this out tonight!
i hope you got a chance to see the movie in theaters. it was beautiful
I have, it’s an experience I won’t forget. I made a video about my thoughts.
He's one of the strongest characters in fiction just based on Simon boosting his team to Universal Level along with him in the movie version of the final battle!😱 Only fighters who can contend with Simon are Gag,Parody, and author wanked characters at their maximum interpretations based on their narratives along with their fanbases!😤
Simon is goated, but lets be real, there are plenty stronger than him, even without wank, gag or parody. just going by what you said, Simon is an author wanked character at his maximum interpretation based on the narrative lol.
Goku clears this guy with no difficulty. If they were to battle, the fight would last less than 20 seconds. If even that. Imagine thinking a human in a mech suit can beat a literal alien who can blow up planets without breaking a sweat😂 Of he's strong then goku is invincible
@@animecity9678Simon can also break planets without a sweat to, being up better feats at least 🗿
@@animecity9678 destroying planets? Super Gurren lagann tengen toppa was using whole galaxies as Frisbees and here is a fun fact for you. At the bare minimum, a galaxy contains about 800 billion planets, trillions at the most. Nobody in dbz has anything that could even remotely hurt this guy.
Upon reaserching further into it, those "galaxies" are actually universe's. The author in an interview said that he didn't know how to actually draw universe's sonhe drew them like galaxies. This man was using entire universe's as Frisbees. The guy could literally just pick up the dragonball universe's and play marbles with them.
@@TheTideKing004 dont mess with DB fans, they cant read
He's powerful enough that he probably graduated top of his class at Sonic Fighters Academy, he's more powerful than Two Galaxies at least.
10:58 You made an error, TTGL isnt standing on a galaxy, its standing on a universe, the creator just didnt know how to draw one so he drew it in the style of a galaxy
@@Simon_the_digger I know. I thought of editing a new version but decided against it. I gave a better look at Simon’s strength in my ‘Why Simon beats Goku’ video, and I’ll be discussing his power again when I talk about the upcoming Simon vs Kyle DB.
Gurren Lagann so extremely GOATED!!!! I 100% recommend it anyone.
DBZ: we have the strongest races with infinite potential.
gurren lagann: I WILL JUST DRILL THROUGH THEM!
God damnit, why does that saying always bring tears to my eyes? "Believe in yourself, not in the Simon that I believe in, not even in the kamina that you believe in. Believe in the Simon who believes in you. ToT
My 8th favorite anime...+ Props for the bittersweet ending
Oh shit there's a gurren laggan month?!? Well I gotta do something to commemorate this
It's something I've done to celebrate the anime. It premiered April 1st, and I was born April 30th. Since it's my favorite show, I've done videos every year for some time. It's similar to when PBG did Zelda Month.
Imagine spiral beings used green lantern rings. That would be unfair, unlimited green lantern battery and overpowered will power, now imagne they also had Haki as well.
I mean these mechas at the end of movie were made by sheer will power and they are part of they pilot
If you REALLY wanna get powerscale-y, him having infinite fully realized spiral power (im the movie where he did STTGL) means he can do literally anything. This plus having multiple immeasurable stats as a product of this means that he's quite possibly tier 0 (in powerscaling terms), and the only tier 0 being capable of killing other tier 0s by nature of his spiral power growing even further beyond infinite power literally every second of every day for him.
I always read the Anti-Spirals as an inevitable consequence of Energy in the Universe, Malevolence aside, they're a result of how energy grows. And Simon's overwhelming of them was a message about the Human Spirit's ability to constantly grow. Not reactionary, but proactive.
It's still ridiculous, but I think the message of humans overcoming obstacles, regardless of size, is the intention. It's not necessarily something I agree with, but it's inspiring.
Blud went from "you see that ceiling? Break it."
To "YOU SEE THAT UNIVERSAL CEILING!? BREAK THE SH_T OUT OF IT!"
Bro is the definition of "started from the bottom now we're here"
where did you find the clips at 14:50? I don't remember seeing them in the movies or show
They're from the Parallel Works, which originally were separate content to explain lore or alternate universes, but those clips were added to the beginning of the first movie, as they show Lordgenome's origin.
I just finished Guren lagann series right now later I will fire up my 3DS to play the english patch game before watching the movie
Welcome to the team, we have fighting spirit and snacks
@@TheMKninja Once I have free time I will fire up my 3ds to play Guren lagann english patch.
When I watch gurren lagann I feel like I could fight God himself
Simon's the guy that would create a drill big enough so MUI Goku can't dodge
@@General_Preto_Oficial Simon’s the guy who moves too fast for MUI Goku to process. But yes, also GIGA DRILL
@TheMKninja real lol
I have never watched a whole episode but I have enough interest in the show that I hope that when death battle does Simon vsWhite Lantern they remember that in the final fight they were casually throwing around UNIVERSES NOT GALAXIES. If they say galaxies that is a MASSIVE Lowball
If there's a wall in your way you smash it down! If there isn't a path you make ones yourself!
Favorite scene in the show. I always get goosebumps or cry whenever Simon's speech pops up.
Actual core anime right there
I don’t think you can just say that Simon is just as strong as his team ups, there’s a reason why it’s preferred Simon has a partner when piloting Gurren Laggan and why he needed help taking out the final boss
The way I'd put Spiral Energy is (unironically) the indominable human spirit, determination, and willpower
The only other character ive seen punch something so hard it went between dimensions is Goku in the Dragonball Super Brolly Movie
Wasnt that Gogeta?
"What is Spiral Power?"
It's Getter Rays.
Great video and a good, accurate scale.
I'd have them at the same scale.
Pretty much all scales that I've seen that are higher than high 1-C are kind of unrealistic and easy to debunk.
I'll have a gander at the Goku vs Simon video that I read you posted after this one.
I actually want to know. TY.
As strong as he needs to be.
DONT BELIEVE IN YOURSELF, BELIEVE IN THE ME THAT BELIEVES IN YOU!
(oh btw the author didnt know how to draw universes so the galaxies are actually universes ;) )
Yup, I recalled this fact sometime after the video was uploaded, unfortunately. I made a pinned comment clarifying this. I would re-upload an edited version, but it’s very rare a small RUclipsr has a video grow as quickly as this one.
The Cruel Indifference of the Universe means nothing to the Indomitable Human Spirit.
And this show proves that.
If Simon can fight GOD, we can fight and overcome our hardships just like it's nothing.
I love this anime so goddamn much, and to me, this is just my opinion and I’m not saying to at it’s gonna be true with everyone, this show is on a scale of greatness that is comparable to dragon ball, and very other anime I’ve seen. It’s amazing and I’m dying to see more if this show in the future.
this is how I believe spiral power functions: spiral power itself is proportionate to opposing forces and obstacles, it scales up near equivalent energy and is dependent on the user to bridge the gap or surpass it but the growth is exponential. If a man fights a beast maybe he'll gain capability to defeat it with enough effort and intelligence but he couldn't fight anything stronger until he reaches that level. And in the world of Gurren lagann it seems to be best manifested and harnessed through some kind of vessel like a vehicle or mecha but at some point someone can become powerful enough to render those mute. Spiral Power is the ability to Overcome but not necessarily make up or manifest something like wishful thinking at least not until youre altering the laws of a universe itself. It's not a power that just grows with screaming or wishing or wanting something so much, not a power that is all powerful to begin with or strong, and it's not without cost, it can be just evolution which takes millions of years or something that in a moment needs to rise to usurp despair, pain and suffering.
i'd also like to point out that in many instances spiral power was used not just as brute force but as a spear to hit vital points to forces that seemed all imposing and nigh unimpeachable.
this is also why I think spiral power is better than abilities like the transformations in dragon ball where a character can just get stronger because they want or need to and try hard or long enough. in gurren lagann there is risk and there is immense loss, there are consequences, conditions and counters and even some strategy, not merely whos beam is stronger (yeah the giant drill off seems like that but we actually lost that fight until it was left to simon to try something different)
A casual by the end as old man
HES THE GOAATT
Mid. Goku solos
@@animecity9678 Oh dont get it twisted I love Goku waayyy more and Goku prolly wins those too ngl
You should've been there to argue in that death battle episode of Goku vs Simon. The guy repping Gurren Lagann just spoke shit from his mouth and couldn't explain anything, he just said "he got that dog in him" like 20 times.
It was actually a db cast which is not the official episode. A db cast is basically an argument between 2 characters on who would win without any in-depth research. And besides, its confirmed that simon the digger vs kyle rayner is gonna be happening this year in an actual db episode and not a cast. Which means there is going to be more in-depth research for both characters.
@jocelyngilcatinoy4255 more people are familiar with death battle and not the cast ver as they are basically the same but cast is just worse cause no script lol
I've heard people talk about the light novel saying hes 20-d and i havent read it so idk about this
The light novels and other media really help support outerversal scaling, and I do want to take another stab at scaling Simon now that I've gotten a lot better at power scaling
@@TheMKninja I think you should and the only reason i mention this cause death battle is doing simon the digger against kyle rayner and their both powerful in their own way, i dont do power scaling that much but it seems fun, I hope you do post more videos about character like this or just power scaling videos cause they seem very good
I would say at most 11D - 12D scaling is pretty accurate so far the most.
Personally, i alawys thought in the final show down the anti spiral lost, because by always tryign to equal their enemies power.
the greater the power the more of a difference can be made in the moment. however once it went down to fisticuffs, the physical power portrayed was small enough that jsut by simply improving throught he fight, or through willpower youd be at the top again. and with simons will power, there again. was noi limit
This is a great video but i don’t think the conclusion that lagan is equal to ttgl really makes sense. the final blow was delivered by him but it was more of a final resort, and i would say that both parties in the battle were tired out. I would understand he’s near in power but probably not equal
In brightest day as darkest ills
Nice video but i would scale him to hyperversal via transcending dimensions
Yeah I realize I scaled him too low after the fact
This guy's feats are just absurd...
It's crazier because I lowballed him. New video soon ;)
Broly’s getting solo’d, Gojo getting solo’d, Saitama and Goku getting s… actually, I don’t want to start a war in the commments
Simon the WHAT?
The only anime that i want to have a DC crossover
The spiral power has the same utility as the green lantern corps. But their technology can more accurately harness that power
WHO THE F DO YOU THINK I AM !!!!!
Thanks!
They always say saitama versus goku but where is this guy in the discussion
Nowhere because everyone already knows the answer
I heard that each Galaxy we see is actually a single universe. So they are Multiversal level easily
@@Marisa_arts I know, I actually lowballed him. But I’m working on a new video about it
@@TheMKninjaI can tell lol
Can't wait to see the new video about it since TTGL is both bat shit insane and underrated in these talks since few like to think a Mecha Show can reach such Cosmic Levels that Transcends the boundaries we thought were there.
i can (maybe) scale 'em to low outer
Yeah I scaled him a bit too low, I think Hyperversal-Outerversal is the proper range. I was still getting used to the terminology when I made this video.
Only being in anime or manga that could beat him is Saitama…and that’s cause that’s what he’s supposed to do that’s his character..even still crazy match up
How powerful is Simon without the lagann? Doesn't he need it to use any spiral energy at all?
Edit: so I didn't know there is movies. In the anime he doesn't run the ones with the anti spiral, he kills it with lagann.
@@victorminor1283 He is the one who powers Lagann, and we saw him at the end of the child arc, defeat Lordgenome with just Spiral Power. Obviously the movies show it a little better with him fist-fighting a literal god.
What if simon got a green lantern ring?