I had a very light load for a vetterli conversion go through a 4x4 post, a box of laminate flooring and inbed itself into a 2x4 behind it. That round is no joke.
i heard the PPU bullets are prone to tumbiling because they arent .268, and carcanos have a wide variety of bore wear resulting in all kinds of diffrent bore diameters
Out of the shorter 18 inch barrels, they basically come out of the gun sideways. But, if they get goin straight and hit straight (usually from the full size m91) there’s nothing that will stop them. They might deflect, but they’ll keep going
@@misguidedsaint3693 The bad tumbling out of the shorter barrels are due to the gain twist rifling in them (rifling gets faster near the muzzle) which is fine in the smaller carbines that were designed to be carbines from the factory. While some are just cut down full size rifles and with doing so remove the gain twist rifling at the end not giving it enough to stabilize. You can tell which ones were cut down and ones that are original carbines by the rear sight, the cut down ones have a much higher distance zeroing on the rear sight.
The round-nosed military bullets were known to be unstable and prone to tumbling - intentionally so, just as the early 5.56x45 bullets used in the M16 were, to produce a greater wound cavity. It's quite obvious that - in the case of these wood blocks - once the spin rate has decreased from friction in the wood, the destabilized bullet is ready to fly off in any direction that the wood grain or stray knot suggests.
Yea, they seemed to drill into the wood and around 19 in started to turn. Without the boards placed on the side, the bullet was flying out the side at around 22 in of blocks
@@BattlefieldCurator Strikes me as an eminently effective round - not just because of its very high sectional density, which would make it an express train when used for hunting, but also because long, thin bullets are intrinsically predisposed to tumble when deflected by bone, causing chaos and devastating wounds. And this is when fired from a light, handy carbine - not a heavy, long- barreled rifle. The progressive/7.85 rifling twist rate should provide great long-distance stabilization, as well. I'm warming up considerably to this very underrated round. To see what appears to be a lightweight and small-caliber, low-velocity bullet penetrate 3 feet (!) of wood and still be intact is a real eye-opener. The people who brought you the Roman Empire, Ferrari, Michaelangelo, and Gina Lollabrigida seem to have their act together!
It is more the test media (wooden blocks or layers) responsible for erratic wound tracks than the bullet. Wood - including soft pine - has any number of softer and harder areas. Those irregularities will cause changes in direction. The same irregularities will cause the tumbling effect. One of the variations is the ratio of weight to length. This is called 'sectional density'. The greater the SD, the more penetration. The Carcano round is long (therefore heavy) and fully jacketed in military form. Other military cartridges of the era in 6.5mm are the 6.5x55mm, and variations of 6.5mm Mannlicher designed cartridges. Which oddly precede the Carcano and seemingly give much influence to the design.
We’ve only tried 7.5 Swiss on Clear ballistics gel. We are running out of pine wood plank pieces since doing all these tests. Will be coming out with a 7.35 test soon.
@misguidedsaint3693 I've had very little issue taking a long barreled rifle like that, hunting in the woods of Virginia. That might have a bit to do with growing up negotiating a 10' fly rod through thick brush, but it's really not that difficult and doesn't effect maneuverability in the woods when hunting.
Acording to the Warren report (according to the military expert that tested it) Oswald's Carcano was roughtly as accurate as an M14, nothing to write home about for a bolt action rifle, but good for military use. For shooting at a human-sized target at a maximum distance of 80m, it was overkill. A good shot could have made it with an handgun.
I love my carcano, but man the ammo is expensive, and PPU goes absolutely insane out of a shorter barrel. Steinel’s reloads are good, and a lot more accurate, but there’s something about them that make it so they don’t run well in my gun. Like, they jam like all hell and don’t seem to feed correctly
@@BattlefieldCurator I’ve tried em multiple times with brand new clips, they still don’t feel quite right, even brand new the 6th shot always pops up at the front and won’t feed.
All firearms, rifle or handgun, respond better to certain brands, weights and who know what else. That's why reloaders reload. That's why experienced shooters who don't reload try several commercial offerings to find what works best in the particular combination in one's hands.
@@OldManMontgomery unfortunately, not many brands make 6.5x52. Best I’ve found (function wise, not accuracy wise) is using a new brass clip with a drop of gun oil and PPU ammo. Runs really really well, just is not accurate by any means.
The 6.5 really is a magic bullet. Twists & curves. Does everything imaginable
I was shocked to see how far it actually went through that wood… almost 2x the penetration of 30-06
Magic? Does Italy have elves too?
@@BattlefieldCurator Very stable military round. Normally, it requires much harder medium than wood to deform such bullet
@@OldManMontgomeryidiot
The 6.5 does not twist and curve in mid air. There's nothing magical about it.
I had a very light load for a vetterli conversion go through a 4x4 post, a box of laminate flooring and inbed itself into a 2x4 behind it. That round is no joke.
Yea, I got to see I have 6.5 FMJ ammo for other model surplus rifles to compare
i heard the PPU bullets are prone to tumbiling because they arent .268, and carcanos have a wide variety of bore wear resulting in all kinds of diffrent bore diameters
Heard that too - guess have try different types of bullets to see what fires well or just reload
Out of the shorter 18 inch barrels, they basically come out of the gun sideways. But, if they get goin straight and hit straight (usually from the full size m91) there’s nothing that will stop them. They might deflect, but they’ll keep going
interesting! thanks for the info
@@misguidedsaint3693 The bad tumbling out of the shorter barrels are due to the gain twist rifling in them (rifling gets faster near the muzzle) which is fine in the smaller carbines that were designed to be carbines from the factory. While some are just cut down full size rifles and with doing so remove the gain twist rifling at the end not giving it enough to stabilize. You can tell which ones were cut down and ones that are original carbines by the rear sight, the cut down ones have a much higher distance zeroing on the rear sight.
The round-nosed military bullets were known to be unstable and prone to tumbling - intentionally so, just as the early 5.56x45 bullets used in the M16 were, to produce a greater wound cavity. It's quite obvious that - in the case of these wood blocks - once the spin rate has decreased from friction in the wood, the destabilized bullet is ready to fly off in any direction that the wood grain or stray knot suggests.
Yea, they seemed to drill into the wood and around 19 in started to turn. Without the boards placed on the side, the bullet was flying out the side at around 22 in of blocks
@@BattlefieldCurator Strikes me as an eminently effective round - not just because of its very high sectional density, which would make it an express train when used for hunting, but also because long, thin bullets are intrinsically predisposed to tumble when deflected by bone, causing chaos and devastating wounds. And this is when fired from a light, handy carbine - not a heavy, long- barreled rifle.
The progressive/7.85 rifling twist rate should provide great long-distance stabilization, as well. I'm warming up considerably to this very underrated round. To see what appears to be a lightweight and small-caliber, low-velocity bullet penetrate 3 feet (!) of wood and still be intact is a real eye-opener.
The people who brought you the Roman Empire, Ferrari, Michaelangelo, and Gina Lollabrigida seem to have their act together!
@@MrGsteele Long, rn bullets are nothing more prone to tumble in tissue than long, pointed bullets
Carcanos are chambered 6.5 magic
lol 😂
It is more the test media (wooden blocks or layers) responsible for erratic wound tracks than the bullet. Wood - including soft pine - has any number of softer and harder areas. Those irregularities will cause changes in direction. The same irregularities will cause the tumbling effect.
One of the variations is the ratio of weight to length. This is called 'sectional density'. The greater the SD, the more penetration. The Carcano round is long (therefore heavy) and fully jacketed in military form.
Other military cartridges of the era in 6.5mm are the 6.5x55mm, and variations of 6.5mm Mannlicher designed cartridges. Which oddly precede the Carcano and seemingly give much influence to the design.
Super cool video! I am definitely going to try this test with 7.5 Swiss PPU soft point ammo as I am debating using this for deer in my K31
We’ve only tried 7.5 Swiss on Clear ballistics gel. We are running out of pine wood plank pieces since doing all these tests. Will be coming out with a 7.35 test soon.
I use the 7.5 fmj, love the hell out of em. Never tried the soft points, and my guns a 96/11 with a 30.7 inch barrel so it’s a bit big for hunting
@@misguidedsaint3693 I am very excited to try out for deer hunting, I will let you know!
@misguidedsaint3693 I've had very little issue taking a long barreled rifle like that, hunting in the woods of Virginia. That might have a bit to do with growing up negotiating a 10' fly rod through thick brush, but it's really not that difficult and doesn't effect maneuverability in the woods when hunting.
It is truly the Magic Bullet? It makes a 556 or even a 7,62x39 look like a 9mm.
JFK
According to the Warren Report the Carcano is the most accurate rifle ever made.
Do the 6.5 Swedish next.
I think we can do the 6.5 Swede 😁💥
Not only that it turns at right angles all by itself.
The 6.5 carcano cartridge is a sleeper imo. I almost view it as the 6.5 creedmoor for its time.
The Warren report is bullshit.
Acording to the Warren report (according to the military expert that tested it) Oswald's Carcano was roughtly as accurate as an M14, nothing to write home about for a bolt action rifle, but good for military use. For shooting at a human-sized target at a maximum distance of 80m, it was overkill. A good shot could have made it with an handgun.
The first one was the magic bullet 😊
interesting tests.
Yes very… we did a second round of testing and that video will be out sometime in the near future
I love my carcano, but man the ammo is expensive, and PPU goes absolutely insane out of a shorter barrel. Steinel’s reloads are good, and a lot more accurate, but there’s something about them that make it so they don’t run well in my gun. Like, they jam like all hell and don’t seem to feed correctly
Hmmmm are you sure it’s not the clip?
They run quite well in mine, but the clips can be the culprit of the failure to feed
@@BattlefieldCurator I’ve tried em multiple times with brand new clips, they still don’t feel quite right, even brand new the 6th shot always pops up at the front and won’t feed.
All firearms, rifle or handgun, respond better to certain brands, weights and who know what else. That's why reloaders reload. That's why experienced shooters who don't reload try several commercial offerings to find what works best in the particular combination in one's hands.
@@OldManMontgomery unfortunately, not many brands make 6.5x52. Best I’ve found (function wise, not accuracy wise) is using a new brass clip with a drop of gun oil and PPU ammo. Runs really really well, just is not accurate by any means.
Too bad you didn't have any milsurp ammo for it.
Yea that would have been better
Those look like 5/4 deck boards. 1 1/4 inch, not 1". Interesting test.
Pronounced: KAR-kun-oh
Same cadence as coconut.
Single bullet...!!
Not the right distance, it's doesn't proof nothing.
Where did you get the ammunition?
Steinel ammo as well as a local shop