FIREFOX (1982) | Mover Ruins Movies (Ft Gonky) Part Two
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- Fighter pilots react to the 1982 film FIREFOX starring Clint Eastwood. Pt 2 of 2 Looking for a good book to read? Check out the Spectre Series: www.cwlemoine.com
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There's a book called Firefox down. It covers what happens after the dog fight. His fuel lines were damaged. End up running out of fuel and landing on a frozen lake in Finland. Spoiler alert he's captured and taken to Moscow LOL
Rumble is the the way now Mover. They won’t censor your opinions or get all bent out of shape over no no words.
@@generalpurpose6517 it all works out in the end, though. 😊
Did you think the counter notification in Russian though ? Did you learn nothing from Clint ? 😂😂
What CGI? That was all back projection and greenscreen.
As a kid of the 80's, I thought this was the most bada$$ movie. And, it had an arcade game where you could plug in your own headphones!
That arcade game was absolutely awesome. God only knows how much money I spent filling that thing with quarters
As a child of the 80s, can confirm it absolutely was the most baddass movie.
i was 8 years old in 1986, and i saw this and was dazzled. The "sleek black glossy machine" theme was alive in shows like Knight Rider, Airwolf, Firefox, the MiG-28... gotta love it
Gotta be honest, I am a kid of the 80s and I thought the flying scenes were terrible. Exciting movie otherwise when I was a kid, but many other films did the flying much better.
The Firefox planes showed up as a boss fight in the first Aero Fighters arcade game.
Loved Firefox. It was an underrated movie. Clint will always be the man.
Underrated for a reason its not technically correct its poor story, poor special effects. just a cheesy 80's flick, the best is Clint! the plane no so much.
@@Thunderer0872 plane was cool😢
I liked the movie too and Clint Eastwood but the "think in Russian" was so comically awful. Is it really hard to deploy missiles from the joystick?
I like the bouncy, patriotic music.
And a video game in the 80's!
At 9 years old, this movie was a blast as a kid and definitely fueled my love for aviation.
Gant is closing his eyes during the flat spin because he's suffering from PTSD, and the Russian pilot salutes him as a sign of respect after proving himself to be a tough adversary before going in for what he expects will be a victory kill for himself.
“Coup de grace” popular fighter pilot trope of the 70’s and 80’s. “ you have been a worthy adversary, I shall now finish you” Post Vietnam US movies were pretty anti military or at least cynical. This trope elevated air to air fighter pilots to status of chivalrous knights of the sky, again harkening back to the ‘honorable’ air to air fighter combat days of WW1 & 2.
It worked. I signed up until they told me no, then went Army.
I thought the salute (in this movie) was a way to say “ Thanks for not killing me when I was totally vulnerable, I didn’t kill you while you were totally vulnerable, now we are even, no holds barred, fights on”
@@michaelold6695 consistent with the ‘kings two knights jousting’ mystique
@@baghdaddymike6669 true, my replay was more meant for the OP about being a tough adversary.
@@michaelold6695 It was a warrior's respect after proving himself to be a skilful adversary. Think "knights of the sky" along the same lines as The Red Baron. He's saluting Gant's abilities as an equal warrior. There was no warrior's honour or accomplishment in killing Gant when he was vulnerable either. So whilst he had a moment, he slipped in beside him and gave him a honorary salute for the fight he put up before he goes in for the kill.
19:50 is a Coup de grace. A popular trope in the 70s and 80’s comparing fighter pilots to chivalrous knights of the Middle Ages. “You have been a worthy adversary, I will end it now”.
Ah, the 80’s.
Thanks for doing this movie.
I was a huge airplane nerd as a kid in the 80s, I was hyped to see this movie. I remember like 80 minutes of clandestine sneaking around russia and maybe 8 minutes of flying. cold war era flicks just crack me up today.
As a kid seeing this with my fighter pilot father, we had a BLAST watching it together. Great memories with him. One of the many kick ass movies that propelled me into becoming an Air Force Pilot myself. Good all-American shit right there!🤘’Merica!!!!
This was a fresh take at watching this flick, thanks for that.
With Dragonslayer in '81, Firefox in '82, then Blue Thunder in '83, amongst other gems of course, what a time to be a kid.
Someone get Gonky a proper damn mic
Roger that
Man I loved this movie as a kid. My favorite part was him on the cockpit narrating his actions.
Have always enjoyed this film. The book and it’s sequel are excellent. Would highly recommend them. In the book, the Soviet pilot gets overconfident.
Anyone spot Cliff from Cheers in the refuelling scene? 😀
There's a 3rd book, WinterHawk iirc where he steals a Hind D
@@briandix4633 Actualy there are 4 books, though only 2 are about the Firefox, the other 2 are different missions with the same character(s), and those 4 books are part of a bigger series as it seems.
Part 4 is called "A Different War", I think it's from the late 90s.
@@eldritchmorgasm4018 I haven't read them since then lol forgot about that 1
You mean Major Derlin from The Empire Strikes back?
Yeah, caught that.
The original book was better. In the book, an ice flow hits the ice ice flow that the Firefox is using as a runway and causes a big pressure ridge to block the runway, adding to the tension. Firefox Down was a good book too.
I love that they built a full-scale mock-up of the "Firefox." There's not enough practical modeling left tin film nowadays. Toss together a cockpit and hang a bunch of blue sheets on it, then call it a day.
Awesome to see you two again, thanks for all your hard work Mover you make me laugh, love it!
"Firefox" was a great movie for a young kid. Then came "Iron Eagle".
So glad you did this film. Remember going to the theater to watch this movie. Great to laugh this early in the morning. Looking forward to part 1.😅😅
Been so long since I've seen this movie...thanks for posting guys. Just noticed that Wolf Kahler was in it as the KGB guy. He was also one of the head Gestapo dudes in Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Cliff from Cheers is one of the submarine officers.
The one thing that stuck with me from that movie was the scene at the airport during the "Your papers please" scene. I can remember thinking can you imagine a world where you are ask for your papers/ID etc just to take a flight? As a former pilot and spending years of my life in security lines I think of that scene often.....
A week or two after 9/11, all the airports had military guards -- Army, mostly likely reservists -- posted all throughout the passener spaces in airports. I had to fly one ot those weekends and I recalled the scene in this movie where he's on the subway in Moscow when he looks to his right and is watching the Russian guy with the machine gun guarding the subway platform. I got REAL mad at the American military posting guards in airports because, 1) I knew it was just a stunt of "security theater", designed to make Amercians think they're being protected. And 2) America doens't do that; Russia DOES do that but not America. We're not Russia! So like you I had a Firefox moment.
@@richardg.7491agreed, except for the "Russia does it" part. Russia does it in Hollywood movies. In the real world there are many American expats living in Russia with RUclips channels who say they like it in Russia because Russian life makes them feel like they used to feel in the old America--free.
Agreed, except for the "Russia does it" part. Russia does it in Hollywood movies. In the real world there are many American expats living in Russia with RUclips channels who say they like it in Russia, because now they feel like they used to feel in the old America--free.
I can just feel your sanity crumbling away by that Viper throttle Mover 😂
You can't ruin this movie for me because I remember when this came out & saw it @ least 3 times in H.S. until it came out in VHS. There also used to be game us could play at Aladdin’s Castle Arcade where you sat in like the pilot to play, very cool. My friends in my AFROTC unit @ college, those of us intending to be fighter pilots, us to watch this along w/ Baa Baa Black Sheep videos, anything military aviation related.
Had a 1/48 scale model of Firefox & Eagle on my desk, Loved this movie.....
You had an Aladdin's Castle? You aren't from Billings, MT are you?
I have this weird memory about this movie, I _think_ it's true? Back in the 80s, a couple guys who worked on the special effects for Firefox came to speak at the Apple computer club that I belonged to. I think they worked on the computer controlled camera rigs. They showed us pictures of a radio-controlled Firefox airplane that actually flew. It was about 6-8 feet long I think (based on a picture of the plane standing on its tail next to a person), and they were trying to use it for some of the flying sequences. Unfortunately the operator of the plane got confused by all the snowy terrain wherever they were, and he flew it into the side of a mountain, destroying the plane before they got any usable footage. So it never appeared in the movie.
He forgot to think in Russian. Rookie mistake.
TOMCAT !!! Fun fact : the log cabin in Alaska IS in Alaska . And a funny story why . This was sometime mid 70s and there was a competition between him and Burt Reynolds as to who was the number one movie star . Anyway down in the lower 48 he needed bodyguards because of his popularity . He came up to do some fishing . And a bunch of bodyguards were with him in an undisclosed small Alaskan town . They stopped at the town's shopping mall in the middle of a busy weekday . They got out of the trucks and all the locals IGNORED Clint Eastwood . That's why he has that cabin up here .
You had to watch that as a kid, then it's an awesome movie... well a kid in the 80's!
Oh, Firefox! I loved this movie the 1st time I saw it. It was on HBO some time in 1983-1984 and I was 11ish y/o and thought it was awesome. The next time I watched, around '95, I thought differently.
Same. Even today the Mig-31 looks amazing.
I saw it when it was first in theaters. And I was a lot older than 11. I am so old!
The leadership sound like the enemies from "Hogan's Heroes"...Thanks for posting, Mover...
Time 14:45 -- "They're pressure washing the ice." Our crew once swept water off the deck while we were sailing through a rainstorm, so I'd say that this film pretty accurately depicts the absurdity of many Navy evolutions. 🤦♂🤣
Combing the desert sir!
Glad you did this film. Really enjoyed Gonky and your banter. This was an entertaining movie back in the day.
This movie in the 80’s was awesome. Still is awesome for the nostalgia of it all. Very dated graphics now but what a beast of a fighter
Another fine Historical Documentary.
My uncle took me to see this back in the day when I was 10, I was very aware of Clint and was stoked to see him in such a role, then the flight scenes kicked in and I thought they were cool, yet even at 10 I noticed the subpar superimposed special effects… still a pretty good flick!
my favorite part was left out - it's when the general finally gets fed up and tells off his boss, "because of your stupidity - STUPIDITY!" love that part
This is still one of my faves, but yikes. Tanking off of a Bear, taking Aphids off of a MiG-25 (?!?!?) that ONE PERSON can carry... the list goes on and on. Still, always fun to watch you and Gonky buzzsaw this stuff. Thanks for doing this!
YEEEEESSS! THANK YOU!
Mover and gonky + Firefox = awesome
Wolf Kahler in the Soviet Air Control segment. He's been in everything. Always a watchable actor.
First and only time my old man took me to the movies, he wasn't much in to such frivolities but something this now 47 year old will never forget
I saw your post notification and saw the title "FireFox" and I am in heaven! Been waiting for this one! Off to rumble for part 1 then back here for part 2!!!! Awesome Monday!!!!!!!
At the beginning of this film, the cabin location where the helicopter touched down was Clint’s guest cabin. My Uncle owned the property next door in the Burney/Castle. He helped clean the place and washed the windows with vodka since alcohol left no streaks on the glass panes.
Mr Mover, I have not watched one of your videos in a while and I have never commented but I appreciate every serviceman from everywhere for your service. I have family in the RN, one nephew who I don’t see was a Challenger driver and the eldest nephew is the one in the Navy. Getting away from that, I love this film👍👍👍👍
Great to see you two again and thanks for bringing this back to us today, Mover ( and Gonky!)
As a kid I loved that movie and the arcade game too.
Omg, I have been WAITING for you to do this movie! One of my favorite cheese movies and I've watched it probably two dozen times so I was ecstatic when I saw Mover decide to check it out. If any movie needs a complete modern update and reboot, it's this one. Kudos to you and Gonky!
One of Clint Eastwood's earliest movie roles was very briefly as an F-84 pilot raining fire on a giant spider in the (rather good) 1955 monster movie Tarantula. Pre-Rawhide Eastwood was working as a contract player for Universal Studios, earning $100 per week to appear briefly in movies that also included the (terrible) Revenge Of The Creature (sequel to the much better Creature From The Black Lagoon) in which he wore a lab coat. Here's a clip of him in the cockpit: ruclips.net/video/JBlumsniGko/видео.html&ab_channel=TrueWax
Ah yes. Back in the days when you were nearly guaranteed that with every cut scene there would be a different airplane in the shot. Starts out with Clint’s wingman in an F-80 then switches to a formation of F-89s(?) with one peeling off for the attack run. Great stuff.
@@daniel_f4050 Good spot! In the Black Lagoon films, the creature changes a bit too. One had a bigger guy in it, and the other an ace swimmer.
Love this channel. Always great to see Gonky give his feedback too!
What are blood wolf packs?... This jet definitely DOES look like Skunk Works. A preview of what was to come. Well thank you , gentlemen! That was entertaining ! I actually had never seen this movie before ( blush to admit) it was even more fun with the fighter pilots' perspective and commentary.
We have all missed you, and all of this.
I love how Firefox is just a scaled down, twin tailed XB-70!!!
The Valkyrie was a beautiful, elegant aircraft
One of my favorite films growing up.
It’s like watching two B-1s trying to dogfight 😂
was waiting to see the iconic scene where he fly's over the water and then destroys the helicopter on the back of the ship just by flying over it, probably the best looking scene of the move but you left it out for some reason?
He was running canyons, while Maverick was a Flight School student. We must show some Respect!
As a kid, I loved the flying bits, but wasn't keen on the build up, but now I love the build up to the theft, but start to drop off when the plane takes off... and then I discovered The Hunt For Red October...
That’s where Cessna got its radar for Jericho’s Citation.
Firefox is probably better at the spy stuff than the flying stuff, but the flying stuff is still a lot of fun. And you can see that at least the script gave _a little_ thought to causes, effects, and consequences, instead of just having stuff happen so the plot can move forward, so that's nice.
Mover, does the DoD give you a choice of which inspiring martial music they pipe into your cockpit when you're flying a combat mission?
I loved this movie when it came out. Best flying sequences until “Top Gun” for a teenager who knew nothing about actual fighters (even if most of it was model work) and the story was “Hunt for Red October” for aviation before Tom Clancy was a thing. No cheesy love story like in “Top Gun”, just “get in there and steal the bad guys’ stuff”.
Loved this movie as a pre-teen in 1982, especially with the brilliant Nigel Hawthorne of Minister/Yes Minister fame playing the role of dissident scientist Baranovich. Still have the first print of the book with the MIG-25 on the cover.
2nd book is brilliant. He catches a lump of the 2nd Firefox.......
@ the time this movie was made , ATARI was still owned by Warner Brothers , the film's producer . ATARI did the fighter jets displays and there is an arcade game based on the movie , using a Laserdisc player . BTW there wasn't CGI that good back then . John Dykstra did the effects , the same designer of Lucasfilm's Dykestrafkex camera system . The only CGI is the display panels in the Firefox . John Dykstra used a Learjet for alot of the ariel shots .
These are the best parts of the movie for me so I'll be on the lookout for part 1 but I'm well satisfied with this half.
The part where they're in formation was the Russian pilot paying respect for him pulling out of the spin he was in.
Have been waiting for this for a long time - congrats Mover
One of Clint’s very first roles was as a fighter pilot in the 1955 giant radioactive spider movie Tarantula! He had a closeup cockpit shot for maybe thirty seconds as he was firing missiles at the spider.
Ah classic 80's Clint gotta love it. Wouldn't mind them going back and reworking the CGI.
Haha, awsome video Mover and Gonky, hoping for more old wierd ones like this. Made several days for me!
Why is Gonky's audio so bad?
More like why is the sound on the movie so bad? Sounded like they were listening to it underwater.
You guys are awesome. Thank you for the commentary.
The Russian pilot didn’t want to kill someone who couldn’t fight back, so we made sure that Clint was awake before resuming the fight.
This is an underrated movie.
13:55 "he's got two different refuelling ports" that's correct, one is for jet fuel the other is for vodka, fuel for the pilot!
Went back and watched Part 1 first and I’m so glad I did. Hilarious commentary.
At the time, this was such a cool film. The 1st time it was on UK TV back in the 80s, I was still at school and the following day we were all drawing aeroplanes. No matter the class, we just brushed English/maths/science/history to one side and drew planes lol.
It was a good movie for the 80s. Cold war intrigue, Clint Eastwood beating commies, a fun video game to play, what's not to like? Also who knew Cliff Clavin was in the Navy before he went to the postal service in Boston?
John Ratzenberger was living in England and appeared in several movies at that time, including "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Superman."
@@Tr0nzoid understood. It was more a tongue-in-cheek comment for those of us 80s kids.
I wonder if the Russians ever had to declare "sadly we have no more pilots rated in the Firefox platform because all have broken their necks carrying around the space-age 150 lb helmet"
2:23 hope that isn’t supposed to be afterburners. Very, very under powered if it is. 😂 maybe he started with the throttle in max AB position and had an engine fire. lol
Gonky needs those rear facing missiles for the next rematch.
Hey man I work with a pilot who has served with Gonky and thought that was pretty cool, such a small world. The pilot I work with, flew the F/A-18. I got to pick his brain about it as I want to enlist as a pilot in either air force or navy. I currently work in Huey though.
Down the canyon, if the lead plane can get the shockwave going it might succeed in putting the trailing plane in whiteout conditions so he'll fly into the wall. Nope, that didn't work. The sequence looks really cool, though.
Gant (Eastwood's character) had a PTSD event and lost control of the plane. The Russian pilot saw he was out of control, disengaged, waited until Gant got it back under control and ... you good dude? Ok ... re-engaging.
Utterly ridiculous, of course. Gotta love 80s flicks.
The flying scenes rock. No one remembers anything else.
What a fun review! Sorry about the copyright hit--I would've loved to have heard Gonky and Mover talking about the Red Flag scenes.
Firefox is cheesy but it's fun. Sometimes you just have to let go and have some fun.
I watched a documentry about Clint Eastwood. He is discussing this film at one point, and talking to a man about how they lost control of one of the RC models they were testing in Southern California, and it caused a minor accident as it crashed into the freeway.
Also, Clint Eastwood had one of his first roals, as the Squadren fighter pilot lead in the movie, "Tarantula"
"Anti-Spin switch" LMAO
burner all day ! Good stuff guys.
What "that" was was Gant having a PTSD flashback. Then he dropped his wheels in a surrender gesture, which the pursuing pilot acknowledged with a salute. Gant snapped out of it at the last moment and evaded.
Ah, and this film was pre-CG. Practical models rotoscoped int background plates.
Thank you for reviewing this. One of my favorites. Watched this when I was about seven I guess at the drive-in. Aviation is not real accurate but it was 82 so I can still appreciate the effort. Another movie you could check out if you are interested in Vietnam era is Bat 21.
The flight helmets created for the film were modified Gentex HGU-20P “clamshells”.
You’d be correct that failed all kinds of flight and shorty runs. They were considered too heavy in neg g rolls and the was a blind spot in the peripheral vision.
I say “created for the film” because there were some post-test runs made and Clint’s costuming/art dept. had two configured with the mics and tubing.
Eventually, the last of these skid lids were reconfigured yet again with dual mics and a red, white and blue color scheme for use on some of the early crew missions on the space shuttle.
Those helmets sell for thousands of dollars to collectors- I don’t think anyone has come across these two used in the movie though.
I saw this in the theaters years before I served in the USN. No CGI in 1982. its all models as God intended. :)
The man Clint asked about making a runway would leave the navy, go to post and become a post man, he would hang out at a bar called Cheers.
And he knew a little about everything.
@@CWLemoine exactly sir,
I loved this film as a kid. They actually had a laser disk video arcade game that I dumped endless quarters into. Now I spend all of my money on DCS! Ha! This is actually based on a really, really good book by Craig Thomas and even has a sequel "Firefox Down" Both are full of espionage and cool fighter pilot stuff, but mostly very heavy on Russian KGB, GRU intrigue. There's even a book in which Mitchell Gant I think ends up stealing a Russian helicopter called "Winter Hawk". All really great reads! Thanks for doing this. I really enjoyed the video!
Given the date this was made and probably not even with the Top Gun budget (even that used a LOT of movie trickery as well) this is pretty cool.
It's quite difficult after decades of cgi to get back in that mindset. In a probably not intended way, the Top Gun Maverick comment was a compliment.
Someone pay for Gonky to switch over from dial-up internet to gigabit
The Spaceballs references were spot on.
Love the expressions on Mover and Gonky at 3:51. Jet should be torn to pieces at this point.
I remember this movie! I was 18 years old when it was released!
This movie really deserved to be a film.
The one thing I always remember being cool in this movie compared to others from the time period was the reflections on Clint's helmet/visor...
When I watched "Firefox" I was a kid who was used to Clint Eastwood playing "Dirty Harry" and various cowboy types, so I thought it was cool to see him play a pilot that's also a spy. And now here we are, 41 years later, and can't help but point out that, even with my limited understanding of aviation, there were quite a few... creative liberties that were taken with this movie! This is a Cold War era movie based on the fear of the Soviet Union leaping ahead of the USA and I find it interesting to note that certain aspects, such as the neuralink control, still haven't become reality... that the public knows of!
The formation part was reciprocating how Clint didn't kill him when he was vulnerable (knocked out cold).
Btw no STS after rolling scissors?
LOL you guys are great, I always look forward to mover ruins movies
Saw the movie, read the book. Loved both. Sadly, the flight, missile scenes don't hold up
Im a great fan also...Ive read the book....Did you also read the second continuation BOOK... called FIREFOX DOWN...???... The story was the continuation from the movie....It starts with when Clint destroyed the other Russians Firefox....BUT.... The explosion debris and fragments punctured his gas line....So Gant....had to safely land the plane in a shallow lake...So now the Russians are on his heels trying to capture him.....WONT TELL YOU ANYMORE....LOL...But its a great second book brother....
But the ending is.....THE FIREFOX FLEW AGAIN pulled out from the lake....
Actually got to watch a portion of the filming, I was a young Airman working in the COC (Combat Operations Center) March AFB CA. It's where they filmed the State side Command center, with all the large status screens. Clint Eastwood was very nice and even tossed the football around with us for a few minutes, hard not to like him.
Gonky needs a proper headset with a mic so we can hear him.