Are EVs Sensible or Hyped? | Electric Bikes’ Future | Tarun Mehta
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Gagan and I sat with Ather Energy’s CEO Tarun Mehta to understand the future of EVs in India and the roadblocks it’s facing. We also tried to understand how the two-wheeler landscape has changed in the last 5-6 years after the introduction of high-end EV scooters in India. Tarun also shared his insights on why EV is prefered alternative among all the available green solutions when it comes to two wheelers.
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00:01 - Preview
01:52 - Intro
02:18 - Tarun’s Background
04:07 - How Ather started
08:56 - Why scooter, not bikes?
11:03 - South vs North India sentiment
18:20 - Why premium pricing
19:15 - Battery replacement & Fires
28:04 - Quality vs Quantity
29:40 - Is Ather Rizta Late?
31:38 - Taking on Legacy Players
34:15 - Burn vs Investment
35:14 - Are EVs Enviornment Friendly?
40:34 - India is Ahead of China in 2Wheeler EVs
50:41 - Is China Benefetting from EV Growth?
54:45 - Will EVs rule autoby 2030?
1:00:46 - Future of Hydrogen vehicles
Team EV, Team ICE or both?
Two strokes ❤
Team ICE
Team ICE
Once EVs truly become green and clean and infrastructure is sufficient, will think about EVs 😂
Team EV for scooter and Team ICE for four wheelers
Team ICE
30:29 Nahi samajh aa raha tha bas….such a simple outlook! What a casual way of accepting failure. Appreciate it
This is the type of podcast/content/awareness we need more and more.
Ather should focus on expanding their showrooms to Gujarat and North as I seen, other EVs are coming in our city and people choose first come first serve, By the way Podcast is great as usual. Kudos to both of you.
one of the most important questions the media is not asking is what about right to repair situation will be, will they allow 3rd party co to repair? will they provide repair syntax? and connected tech also has an evil side, the subs, remote monitoring by the co, serial no lock already we are seeing that co hates when customers own something for a lifetime (like they revoke perpetual license of somethings )
Bhai ye log same hardware ko alag product me software se limitations laga dete hai , ye thori provide karenge ye sab inke liye sab business point of view se inke thoughts change hote rehte hai
Govt inki g phad denge.....
Govt nai SC phat degi..
Likk ke Rakho..
@@akshatkhedekar8561woh to sahi kaha apne lekin chance bhi nahi hai ki yeh alog itna jaldi right to repair de de kyunki market choti hai aur repair karne ke knowledge hone wale bhi bahit kam log hai tho wo tho question tab hoga jab EV ka sales aur badega
@@gurupramodashetty452 ha ye bhi sahi hai
18:50 - agr price problem nahi hai to OLA ki sales Ather se jada kyo ho rhi hai North me...
Ather is too expensive for middle class & entry level market
Because ather is not working on outlets and all in north ,ola is opening stores in even small towns , you can test ride and see it and check it
There is undeniably a quality difference in ola and ather.....Ather has proven to be a premium brand
Bhai thoda bht hi price difference hai. I think issue ye h ki Ather abhi north taraf itna dhyan de hi nhi raha hai. Bangalore me you will get to see more Ather then Ola
Bhai Xiaomi sale is higher than Apple in India
He is telling and Want to Sell Ather as Aspirations not Value for money ..
Ye samajh lo
OLA has got incentive under PLI scheme for their scooter. Tarun has talked about this before.
What happens when big company's like honda starts to make similar electric scooter, then people will choose established companies instead of startups
Honda is struggling to compete in EV againt tesla byd tata etc
They dont have reliable evs and by the time they develop one,market will be saturated
They are not struggling to make evs.....it's just that they dont want to make evs and that strategy is starting to pay of for them
iCube case study
My Ather 450xHR is just 1month old.I noticed panel gaps under the handle bar panel, chipped/rough edges and unfinished mirrors. Even the panels next to headlights have panel gaps.These issues are not there in previous generation vehicles.Even SC agreed these are manufacturing defects.SC team tried to adjust panel gaps but unsuccessful. Panel gaps increase with time After spending 1.8lakhs i get this type of fit and finish. Really unhappy
Then Iqube must sell more than any EV as per you. But its not. Ola is the leader.
One correction I'd like to point out at 4:47 is that ICEs don't work on carnot cycle. Carnot is the most ideal a thermodynamic cycle can get. Petrol based ICEs work on Otto Cycle while diesel based ICEs work on Diesel Cycle.
Agar Product 95% india mai banta hai,🔥🔥to Gov ko two wheeler EVs pe Taxes 0% kar dena chahiye...
Govt ko mtlb nhi h ki India me bne ya America. Govt dekhti h ki janta ki gend lg rhi h ya nhi.
@@anmolverma9318😂 gend lover
The worst thing about this video is that it ends 😤
Sahi me bhai
i own both activa and ola but have not ridden much of activa since buying the ola.No going back to ice after riding an ev for a few months.Will replace my activa with rizta.
what's your avg. odo for a year vaise ?
@@Adityakumar-mt7lu 3-3.5k kms
its good till OLA working fine once it showing issue i sure u will back to your activa like me. As the services are very poor. Now whoever asking me i suggest them go for petrol one
@@abhimanyusahoo2741 why petrol if one is not satisfied with ola then go for ather or chetak.I have had many problems with my activa.
@@lgsamsung1 that's plausible but to anyone with less that 2k clicks should consider ice instead of ev for sure
i think what ather needs is a scooter with 3 kwh 4kwh max speed 80kmph no maps and all simple clean dashboard with a semi digital instrument cluster which supports ather grid and decent speed of charging at 1lakh near about on road price on all states
Rizta base model
@@arunp2885but full charge time 8hrs 😢
price is the real problem for a middle class family ( from west bengal) . Base model ka on road price 1,24,00L too high .
EV's are Hyped. 🙂🙂🙂 Just import the product from china and change the name & customize the design little bit and launch the crap product on India.
He completely ignore battery change question
Battery acche products mein nahi chamge karni padti mere bhai, lakh kilometer ke upar jaoge tab kaho jaroorat padti hai.
thats a non issue, thats why he ignored it
52:45 pe suno
He did answer
@sahastradhara
My platina 110 has done 4 lakh kms. Can your EV do that on single battery 😂😂😂
@@XYZ-pn2dm sir , then it makes even more sense because of huge savings advantage by cost/km.
Its not the just the awareness but your availability as well, there are not a lot of showrooms of ather in northen states which is why they aren't getting any good response from that section of our country
Correct 💯
🛵 scooters EV hi hone chahiye 5 -7 saal main😐😐,bas Shauk mai Bike 🏍️ bikni chahiye...,
Public ka Petrol mehenga hai ki natak hi band ho jayega
Bande me hai dum. Delighted to hear from two favourites from jaipur. I'm a delhi guy, have a actica for 12 years and access for 7 years. Went for ascooter hunt last week for sister. Wanted a low seated scooter. Test ride taken for fascino, dio and ather. Fascino and dio were majorly underwhelming compare dto my access. The sales reps were not that enthusiastic as well.
But ather, it's something else. The warp mode is ballistic. The sport mode of 450s was as good as my access. 139000 on road with 15k subsity. 125k for 450s looks almost good. The sales rep were a delight to talk with. If only I can get my hands on an offer/subsidy which brings the price down further, it's a done deal for me. Also Tarun seems a real bright chap. His gujrati business accument and concepts are clear. Is ghode pe paisa jaroor lagayega apun.
Hydrogen isn't coming for cars either, as per current state of technology.
It's impossible.
Prime example Toyota mirai
when you need 120L tanks which is even bigger than cng for car, how will you even sit on bike scooter with such huge tanks for h2
Yar main isko headphones me sun raha tha (without watching video) and i couldn't differentiate between Gagan and Tarun's voice. So similar. Close ur eyes and feel
Get better headphones. They are not at all similar lol.
@@human_boulder get better ears or get them cleaned man , I ve airpods so fckoff
2 years + on road and you will know you are in soop with EV scooter in India.
All that so called savings will be spent on repairs or battery and charger -- highly unreliable.
It is taking more than 3 months to fix issues on my scooter for this brand.
Time has come to ban petrol scooters. Govt should ban the petrol scooter
My Ather 450xHR is just 1month old.I noticed panel gaps under the handle bar panel, chipped/rough edges and unfinished mirrors. Even the panels next to headlights have panel gaps.These issues are not there in previous generation vehicles.Even SC agreed these are manufacturing defects.SC team tried to adjust panel gaps but unsuccessful. Panel gaps increase with time After spending 1.8lakhs i get this type of fit and finish. Really unhappy
Near Non existent infrastructure for EVs and no ev brand considering tier-3 cities for service and reach but still positive attitude towards ending ice scooter dominance by 2030 😂....OG splendor and OG Activa wouldn't have been called OG if their target was only big cities.
Awareness Awareness Awareness. Tackling mis-information & FUD(Fear, Uncertainty, Disruption) from social media is the biggest stumbling block towards electrification and de-carbonization. The goal of Net zero can only and only be achieved through BEV.
Absolutely amazing podcast guyz, both of you asked relevant questions and tarun spoke really well and he is such an intelligent guy, no wonders Ather has got customer satisfaction.
Mr.Tarun is far more mature. I am definitely putting Rizta as my first option before buying any E Scooter. Also this will be my first E vehicle in family.
Great podcast.
Just fix a day on a big ground with customers and demo all functions features there. Use well known customers as volunteers.
Saving environment using NMC chemistry!!!!!!
Please start using LFP chemistry in your battery.
Otherwise no point to discuss on saving environment
Me kabhi bhib EV me kuch bhi nhi kharidu. Saab chutiya bana rhe he EV k naam pe😂 petrol diesel cng with hybrid engine is the real future
🤡🤡🤡
@@tanmoydas8389 bhai Har saal yad dilata rehna.. 100 taka sach likha mene
I went to buy ather scooter yesterday and Ather has closed its only showroom in Industrial Area, Chandigarh. If EVs are so good, why did ather close its showroom?
Even in the comment section, people are so negative in terms of the reception of EV as a solution. Aur ye woi log hain jinhone kabhi bhi EV na own kia hai na test drive li hai. People need to come out of their bubble and see for themselves that the EV space is not in nascent stage right now. It has significantly matured in last 2-3 years.
Ev is costly. Ev has low range. No skilled 3rd party to repair for cheap. Ev's are highly explosive compared to ICE. Evs are very unreliable. EVs have high carbon footprint hence bad for environment.
Evs are scam.
Dude you really need to up your game. I won't type too much, just humbly suggest you to read/ watch about the carbon emissions and inhumane aspects of extraction of Lithium and Cobalt... It's 60% more polluting than an ICE
@@judgementholder People only care about the "cost savings" part.
They are indirectly proving his point about people falling prey to misinformation and lack of awareness assets.atherenergy.com/Ather_ICCT_Emissions_Report.pdf
Base model price of ather is 17k more than top 125 cc activa.
N reliability is bullshit
Ev का कोई भविष्य नही ह
I have ather 450 x
It’s 1.5 years old
And I driven it over 30,000 km
But only serviced it one time😂
Is it ok or i need to service it every 6 months as ather says??
Yeah, you've probably voided the warranty :/
*We can never understand .. why Ather don't sell a variant of scooters without touchscreen & subscription* ... AKA "Dumb scooter" ... The price difference between a dumb and smart scooter is at least 35,000/-
The more tech enabled the scooter the more problems it creates... and needs company trained technicians... But that is where they will MAKE MONEY FROM ... Service - Maintenance...
*THAT ... DEALERSHIP MODEL... IS NOT SUSTAINABLE IN EVS*
Clear, no bakwas content. Love your videos and your work and especially your unwavering commitment 😊
Okay..one of the context question.... Which brand is that table over which you guys are having this conversation? It looks like its height can be adjusted electronically. I want the same table for my office too. The one that I have shortlisted costs exorbitantly high. So I was looking for the cheaper options. Is that table under a lakh?
North ki sirf ek problem hai ki koi bhi ev company fast charging nhi deti. Sare fast charging station ya toh metro city mai hai ya south mai.
That is not a reason for low adoption in EV in the north. Most of the people charge at home.
I think ev ka sirf ek fayda hai, running cost kum hai but agar pricing aur resale ko consider kare to vo bhi balance out ho jayega isliye filhal to ice hi better hai, EVs me kuch bhi easy nahi hai aapko roj charging par lagane ka hassel rakhna padega, charging infra bhi nahi hai, price bhi jyada hai resale bhi zero hai, reliability bhi nahi hai to aise me ice hi sabse badhiya option hai
I learnt new things. Kudos! Please have one with tata like u had with maruti!
Tarun sir answer on green energy is answer to Gagan concern which he raised in another video on EV that electricity used by coal as peoduct is not green by EV .
And one lame excuse of minerals used in battery are more exploiting that areas .
One thing is clear : He is very confident and has contiguous energy. I mean you feel assured even for the ecosystem emerged in india for electric two wheelers.
He is a visionary for sure 👍🏻👏🏻
The reason I love this brand over others is because they have a clear vision. And a brand that has the right vision will never produce wrong products unlike ola which seems to push half baked products just to increase sales figures.
@@jenilsoni9519 well put👍🏻
Aare yeh green shirt ko chup karao, Tarun kitna accha bolta hain.
When it comes to EV Scooter, Ather is BEST in quality followed by TVS/ Bajaj and Ola.
Ev is a scam, iam using two ather 450x gen2 and gen3, after 30000 km the gen2 ather is giving only 50km in eco, so basically company disables the faulty cell section of battery by ota update and customer never knows the battery is faulty, just like the phone companies do by slowing the phone performance by ota update.
There is no doubt that Ather is doing well in 2 Wheeler EV segment but, the word premium hurts a lot, because Mass customer are give way more volume then the premium customers. So I feel that if Ather can do a quality product for the Mass at the price of Activa ..............then the target of EV market share of 2030, they will achieve it as early as possible.......
50:00 petrol vs Ev for country forex
Great , i don't understand why lots of people are still buying ICE scooters , bikes I can understand, but scooters , you should research and buy electric
It's absolutely reversible statement.......there is no future for electric , yes the ICE engine have more that 100 year revolution.......
Electric vehicles is only boom for some time...... just Chinese things......chale tohhh chanddd takkkk nai tohhh shammtakk.........
Ather 450x in jabalpur costs 193000 onroad and i dont think it is worth almost 200k for a scooter
Okay, let's buy a petrol scooter and keep it then
At 5:19 he starts talking about Stirling engines, which are quite common, but they only have very niche applications. It’s very inefficient, just 10%, contrary to what he is claiming. I don’t understand why he is lying about it. The technology has been around since 1800s lol.
Mera 450x
64000 k.m. me
3 bar battry ripair karni padi
Or maintenance patrol scooter se bahut hi he
Bahot mehga padtahe
Parts ke rate check Karo
Kahise verth he kya
Maintenance me
konsa parts kitneme pada
Or kitne k.m. pe dalna pada pura experience ho gaya
Jannahe to pura chittha duga
Tarun bhai Durg me services center kholo please. Mughe ak gadi lena h. Ola ka ak showroom already h. Nahi to hero ke showroom se booking aur service chalu kar do...🙏🙏🙏🙏
Range badhao, charging time aur price ghatao... Abhi k abhi le lunga ev bike/car... Bikes pe 400-500km ka real world range chahiye
Yes just 100yrs near😂
I own 2 Activas, 1st 16yrs old, 2nd 6 yrs old..ZERO issues in both.. working as good as new..Period..Mic drop..
Places like mumbai people can't charge vehicles at their apartment which leads to natural options towards ICE
16:25 As a Ex - Ather owner i agree , Main bhi Ather ko follow karra tha 2 saal se or Khush Khushi hua jab Finally Hamne li tab
PlugInIndia also had made an dedicated video on it Fossil fuel vs EV . People can watch that to get there doubt clear .
E vehicle ka resale value nahi hota
Brilliant point raised like exports to Indonesia - huge market completely dominated by Japanese - Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, Kawasaki
Very important point : EVs are costly even after so much govt. subsidy. ICE running cost is high due to huge taxes on petrol .
when government starts taxing huge on electricity then 2.5 Rs /km debate will not be there
How arrogant this person sounds really made me not like his company now on
In my opinion EVs are the future.....but EVs in current form EVs are miles away from that future.... for eg: we need good charging infrastructure, then we should consider EV batteries how will we replace EV batteries after 5 years or so ICE vehicles work well for minmum of 10 years but if we have to replace EVs every 5 years that is not possible for a regular customer if someone says changing the battery is a solution then in my opinion justifies a person from spending 40-60% of vehicle cost every 5 yers or so. Also in my opinion we need to have same charging standards for all kind of EVs. In my opinion EV manufacturers should come up with some kind of subscription model for batteries in the sense they own the battery and we pay a rent for it...and a common man owns the scooter....which can make electric scooters cheaper than their ICE counterparts. Also in my opinion LCD touch screen are prone to being damaged so in my opinion we just need a digtal or analogue speedometers as other ice vehicles.... Also depending much in software for running a vehicle is not good. An Ev should just be like normal ICE vehicles that do not rely much on software ...EVs are much more prone to software disruptiona unlike their ICE counterparts.
Ather should develop adopter for ola scooter so that ola scooter owner can access their charging infrastructure
In mountains, it's not possible to use ev specially two wheeler because a two wheeler with 100km practical range on climb will give like 20-30km range which will make it unusable.
Ergonomic is not the same compared to Activa/Honda's vast experience..please work on that front, also probably tie up with Hero/Honda and bring up a robust and reliable Hybrid drive-train
Will you please explain how ford and other companies avoiding ev in other countries there ev sales are fell down..... 😅😅😅😅 Toyota working on new technology.... And they were saying ev is not the future its just an option...
@Ather Energy
We want more range in Ather Ev scooter. Currently Ather provides 90 to 110 killo meter true rang. Which is not less range in Ather scooter. We want 200+ Killo meter range Ather 450x & Ather Rizta. scooter.
I would never buy ather like scooters for daily usage which is costly & costly to maintain, with a whining noise with two belts(two more parts for failure if not properly looked after. Prefer chain drive or hub motor). A lot of useless tech features which is good for youngsters.
यार हरियाणा के सभी जिले में 1 से 2 चार्जर लगाओ फिर लोग इसके स्कूटर बहुत खरीदेंगे और चार्ज करने के चार्ज करने के रेट 3.7kello वॉट को 3.7x2=7.4 इतने पैसे लो लूट मचा रही है
Not to get offend but asking an EV manufacturer that why is EV good is quite obvious. In India 2 wheelers are not just for city rides , people travel across country using it. ICE gives that flexibility to go anywhere any time. In north steep mountains are there as well EV wont viable for those inclined terrains.
Hybrid makes more sense , fuel cost is one aspect . Actually we should look for more kilometer’s in less fuel . Hybrid have most average out of all options.
North means he’s talking about Gangetic plains, you know where 9% of global population lives?
Also, in hills, ICE loses efficiency due to thinner air, EV doesn’t have that issue. Much more performance also, no lag no slowdown instant torque
True, the scooters is used for small hops within the city. Could be a series of small hops. And an e scooter with a true range of about 200kms will kill the ice engined scooters. It’s about time. But cars are a long way off.
Ev in two wheelers is fail.. very specific use cases it will work until battery swapping is everywhere…it’s useful only for those with 60-70km daily driving..too low and it’s not use and too high and it’s no use
They want to sale EV as a city 2wheeler and cannot make infra in tier2 and tier3 cities as EVs dsnt benefit there. And also they want to sale it on premium which they cannot justify in tier2,3 cities and no after sales service. Its issue with the companies they want to earn profits with no ownership and no expansion. People have money but you couldnt make an impact as a brand, marketing, good product and after sales, you are lagging everywhere with Ather.
No... ICE scooters will still be there another 10-15 years easily. And then Hybrid ones. All electric vehicles need the infrastructure which will take atleast 30-40 years.
You need to work on your questioning skill. Both. Look like you both were unprepared or uninterested.
Bro Ather should launch a f77 competitor with 10kwH bartery
Its a loud cry for help. ICE is not going anywhere, EV might stop 😂
Will he shut the company if ICE doesn't phase out till 2030?
I will buy scooter if it is having minimum 500km range and aslo with reasonable price. It is not competitive to petrol and cost more than petrol😂😂
Ather engineering and tech is best but look and filling is not as gorgeous voluptuous like icube and Activa, it is fency but very light and no big seat and very small and light for family use
Sir, Auto hold k liye I can write an Ad for you... Give me email.. I will write it in Bengali...u can do rest... And for free 😊
8:04 In India, YObykes launched their electric two-wheelers in 2006. Taking about cars, Mahindra brought Reva as early as 2001 in India. Although Ather today is doing marvelous innovations, why are these guys more or less portraying Ather as the pioneer of EV in India?
Because THE ev is different than ev.
Morning bicycle 🚲 ride ok प्रातःकालीन साइकिल भ्रमण ठीक
Ev for me.
Ather, Ather ki marketing abhi not in league of #Ola Electric. Do work aggressively in that field.
For god sake ev still not stable for indian weather.
So its not reliable for now.
It might take other rvolution for the hot and humid weather of india
Electric vehicles catch fire spontaneously , one important reason for being hesitant on Electric vehicle.
EVs are bogus. why are you not considering cost of changing battery and range of battery gets after 4-5 years.
Ev bas dhoka hai😂😂 kuch dino ke liye ye phase bhi nikal jayege😂😂
Total hype hai EV. Aur ye podcast pura paid hai ather ke PR ke liye..
Ev kahi se convenient nahi hai, infrastructure hai nahi aur aur jo kah rahe environment friendly wo sabse bade gadhe hai.. electricity aa kaha se raha wo pata hi nahi inko... Charge khatam huwa to leke baitho😂😂... Ab kuch log kahenge plan kar lo pahle.. kyu bhai itna bhi kyu plan karna jab petrol conveniently available hai har jagah.. ab isne kaha tha ek video me aga apka wajan kam hai to low battery me jyada mileage dega.. matlab kya hai ye bhai😂😂😂
Big automobile companies are just waiting for the ev market to die itself slowly in few years 😂
U cant ignore a electric vehicle in 20th century
First cartalaap jo boring laga.
For ather , I can say their scooter reached upto tier 3 cities but they haven't as a brand & services. Ironic!
Ola is going to reduce its prices and motor kw then what should happen to all other co.ev
Is there any practical charging solution for those who do not have a covered parking space ? For example, in Mumbai we have at lease four months of heavy rains and in many housing societies two wheelers are parked in an open space. In that case what can help a person who is interested in buying an electric scooter ?
But why live in Mumbai? You live only once, find a decent place to live.
North me sirf style marne aur paise bachane ke alava unko kuch nahi samjta hai.
Hope ICE reviewer also change there mindset and be neutral while reviewing EVs
Ev is good for city's I prefer personally, for long ride heavy use ev is nowhere near ice