Koril is the real villain here. Her selfishness caused all manner of miscommunications which ended up leading to the deaths of a lot of people. And intentionally riling up Mae, trying to cause rifts between not only the witches and the Jedi, but between Mae and Osha, is just messed up.
Bruh that scene at 2:55 creeped me out when she came from the trees like that. I might be the only one who felt that way, but that looked quite sinister to me
You know whats funny like really fun, she might actually end up being the big sith bad guy. She is never shown dead and she says to Mae to use her anger like a sith. You cannot make this show up.
I don't know if you noticed this is Drag Queen story hr here Koril is a dude. This story about the force making twins is... welllllll probably not what really happened if you get my drift.
@@anthonyb5279 Damn, I thought the first reply about Kathleen was the most pathetic thing I've ever seen in youtube, and seconds later you came in and got it beat. Legit compliments on being a whole other level,
A New hope cost $11 million adjusting for inflation today that would be $63 million. They invested in new film technology called motion control. That came out of the budget. I want to know where the money went on the acolyte? It’s certainly not on the screen.
same with kenobi, at least here we have a good cast and a decent actor performance and decent effects, i honestly think you can see the money in this show, at least a bit
So what exactly was Mother Aniseya doing when she started to transform into black smoke? Was she just teleporting away to get Osha and she was just gonna come right back and then let them leave? Sol probably overreacted by stabbing her, but when a person who you have an antagonistic relationship with starts to transform into some ominous black smoke, what else should he do?
I thought it was an obfuscation trick, disappearing Mae out of the Jedi's vision but cut (ha) short by Sol stabbing her. Then again maybe they just thought "what would look cool here? Some kind of shadow force bollocks!" 😅
They don't have the budget for that. Poor Disney could only provide a very limited budget for star wars shows and I'm totally sure the acolyte didn't have much money to spare...
@@JotaDeeMeO Not enough to money to spare 😂. This show has a budget of $180 MILLION, that’s over $20 million per episode for at best 30 minutes of cheap looking garbage. Look at house of dragon which has $200 million budget but gives us 8 hours of jaw dropping content with large scale castle sets.
The glorification of the days where seasons had 20 episodes compeletey ognores that every serkes had so many filler episodes back in the days. Still, it doesn't make the nonsense better that's coming out today.
The story of this show would have been a good option for a Rashomon-style feature film, focusing on the different perspectives of what happened during an ill-fated meeting between a group of Jedi and force witches.
I think I'm going to have no complaints in hindsight about this eight part movie about a Jedi named Sol that spends a little too much time with its other principal characters. This episode killed me, especially Aniseya's death and the last moment of the episode with Sol breaking down and beginning to tell for the first time the lie that's going to kill him a little more every time he tells it for the next 16 years. But last episode frustrated the hell out of me with the Stranger padding and being a series of eight thirty minute episodes has done this show absolutely no favors. There's a Rogue One tier three hour movie in this series.
@@victinhalcyon2646 I wish the “a Star Wars story” movie series took more swings like this. But yes, having competent filmmakers would be vitally important.
I can forgive a lot of plot holes and even sloppy writing in many things, especially Star Wars, but I think the biggest problem with The Acolyte by far was it's marketing vs what we got. They told us it was "Going to tell us events from the Sith's prospective", and I'm not even sure we've seen a True Sith in this entire show so far, with only one episode left.
THIS! Literally wtf. I don’t know why enough people aren’t bringing up this point. This was lowkey the show I was most excited for when it was first announced and described in that way. Absolutely insane the way this show has gone.
@dylante5987 - I completely misread that comment as you were most excited for the force metal detector. LOL! Show is definitely not what I expected. But, I don't really expect much anymore.
This episode still hasn't explained why shit started exploding. I find it very hard to believe that tiny ass fire that Mae started somehow caused a reactor to explode. I expected it to be the sith the sabotaged the reactor but they haven't shown that and I doubt they'd do ANOTHER flashback in the very last episode
@@kusaselihlengubane8984I went back to watch the fire wasn’t that big. It was only the explosion. Obviously burning that magic book was going to create some kind of chemical that was going to spread some.
i really found it lazy that just her removing the dark side presence from the wookie automatically killed them ALL. like one? two? ok, but the entire coven? they didn''t just get a force headache but frickin outright died? that's a pretty big weakness. 50 ppl to possess one person that one jedi can purge and you ALL die when you literally could have easily killed them by force instead of chanting. the fight sequences however in the entire series are ALL really good, so it's got that at least. i capitalize ALL a lot...
@@gimzod76 the opposite actually. they were many and extremely powerful in the force, so they should have kicked the jedi's ass in pure force manipulation alone, not combat
Mei and Osha's backstory amounted to a guy with an unhealthy obsession, a homesick man-child and an idiot who issued vague threats and impulsively triggered an ominous power instead of just communicating like an adult. Then in her dying breath she gaslights Sol. And the issues don't end there. I can see what the writers were going for but they completely lacked the competence to pull it off. Ultimately, there's very little about this episode that's defensible. And it's apparent that this series is going to end in an Ahsoka-style cliffhanger where nothing's resolved and everyone's back to square one. Seriously, this is the worst episode yet.
First, he let Mother Aniseya corrupt his mind the first time the broke in. He probably never recovered from that. Secondly, he rushed off to go "rescue" the twins to cure his own homesickness, which precipited the disastrous fight.
This episode was great and it was the perfect follow up the its previous flash back one. Most people in the future will see this in a binge fashion so will get the answers they want sooner rather than dread out over months, leading to less frustration.
How many flashback scenes are in the six Star Wars movies George Lucas made? It's hard to stay in the moment and enjoy shows with all of the timeline jumping
@@EckhartsLadderAcolyte all-flashback episode 7 was very good. I liked the references to the hyperspace catastrophe that wiped out life on some planets; of which in the last episode Jedi master Vernestra has pain/nausea from traveling through hyperspace due to her strong connection to the force. The fact that Sol was an emotional Jedi like Dooku, Anakin and Quigon Jinn was seen in quite a big way. The turn of the plot, who is responsible for the death of the entire Clan of these Witches who follow the path of Bogan = Darkness in magic, they were quite similar to the Witches of the Sisterhood of the Night from Dathomir, where Darth Maul also comes from. The fights were great, the choreography was great and seeing two Jedi fight against a possessed Wookie Jedi was great. But most of all, normally, just like Mother Cora, I felt this emotional pain in my heart. When Sol killed her partner, co-mother of two children and the love of her life, mother Aniseya, in front of her eyes. The destruction reminded me of something similar to when the Jedi destroyed the entire planet of Korriban, where the original Sith race came from.
Whole Acolite show is better then Kenobi and Book of Boba fett together. They made mistakes they turned these two project into show and not as movie. Every one of the movies by himselfe are good even 8 Last Jedi but that was mistake by one stupin man. But these film are still better then these ones down here.\/ Okay so the best trilogy of Star Wars movies from the original George Lucas era. And that: Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure; Ewoks: The Battle for Endor & Star Wars Holifays special. Ewoks: The Battle for Endor So, what do you say to me now. These ones are total strash.
I'm seven episodes in and I couldn't begin to tell you what the plot of this show is even about. A whole bunch of random disconnected plot threads and ideas that aren't coming together and keep being abandoned.
The Sith are always boring. This coverup is tragic as heck and very entertaining. They could have written off the Sith from all the movies, and it would have made little difference.
The end credit song was my last straw. I tried defending some of the stuff, but r&b pop isn’t Star Wars. Artist themselves, while good, is yet another multi check box hire too instead of picking someone that would know how to make a Star Wars theme.
I think this show's biggest weakness is presentation/execution. I feel like this should have been episode 1 instead of a flashback. With the exception of Sol, I feel little to no connection to these Jedi characters since they've already died early on in the show. I think this would make Mae's "fall" (and the plot in general) more profound as we follow the events as they happen, instead of looking to these flashbacks to justify what we saw in previous episodes. To me, the characters and events feel really dull and the whole show is just hinging upon the mystery of "what happened?" I think the big mystery should really be "Will Mae succeed in killing Sol and fall further into darkness, or will she be swayed from her path by Osha?"
I think a major part is that much of the plot of the show is held together with contrivances and inconsistencies, and most of the main characters are barely characters; Osha has barely any agency and Mae's motivations seem to change with every scene she's in. Plus the show from the very first episodes seemed to very clearly telegraph that the intention of the show was to make the Jedi seem like the bad guys, despite the events in the show and rest of the SW movies including Disney's sequel trilogy doing the opposite. Instead of making the Jedi look corrupt or imperialistic they just seem very incompetent and really bad at communicating, both versions of which are very much goes contrary to what we've seen the Jedi to be in the prequels when Qui Gon and Kenobi are sent as diplomats to Naboo. One of the most frustrating things I find about bad fiction writing is when a situation gets completely out of control because characters who should know better fail to use the most basic communication skills to actually communicate, and in the Acolyte there are plenty of potential plot mechanics available in the SW universe that could have been used to create a more believable conflict than what was actually chosen.
I disagree, I was very impressed by how not anti-Jedi this episode actually was. This episode to me was all about tragedy caused by people acting on their assumptions and confusing their personal desires and feelings for reality. If anything it Sol and Torbin showing their inexperience as Jedi, which Indara emphasized
Agreed. Torbin was both paranoid after the witch getting in his head. He also wanted to leave and Sol seemed to care more getting an apprentice of his own. Indara was level headed, same with Kelnacca. It's clear Sol is a very emotional Jedi and this may not be the first time he's acted like this. Maybe that's why Indara covered it up, not only to protect Osha but also keep Sol, her Padawan and by extention herself from getting in series trouble with the High Council. Based off of what we saw in this episode Mae looked like she never intended to kill Osha but keep her there. Mae seemed genuinely scared that she caused the fire. First flashback was Osha's POV and the Witches. So i can see why Osha "thinks" Mae wanted to kill her. In the end, this all was because of multiple miscalculations and assumptions that caused this mess.
No it's that people are flawed. This doesn't challenge the ideals structure or law imposed by the jedai. You know, what the show was trying to sell us as the premise.
@@SkywalkerAcademy-oi4fbMae literally says she wants to kill Osha in Episode 3; even if she didn’t truly mean it, saying that then immediately starting a fire, Osha will believe it’s her intention.
That's because the writers are trying to call good evil, and evil good. They are trying to confuse things, but rational people just don't follow their gas lighting.
@@ZenMonkeyGod SHE'LL NEVER CHANGE ALWAYS HARNASSING THE DARK STRENGTH OF THE FORCE, MISGUIDED IN HER INTENT I TRIED TO STOP HER, I TRIED TO TAKE-to-- take her- her children...
This episode also tells u y Saul didnt know it was Mae who was the one on the ship with him. The girls have the same essence or wavelength so using the force to tell them apart isnt possible because they are one and the same in the force. The tattoo or the way they act is the only way to distinguish them.
Master Yoda during the first episode of Clone Wars literally said to three clones that although they share the same face they are very much different in the force
@@Aetoski sometimes you have to make a dark side or light side choice just like in SWTOR game and KOTOR games. Sol did a dark side choice saving only one and letting the other fall.
For episode 7 Disney really thought "episode 3 was one of the worst star wars products ever and the worst episode of The Acolyte, let's make it longer without adding anything"
Episode 3+7 should have been flashback scenes during the season, and episode 4+5 should have been one 50 mins episode instead. Maybe it's just me, but I absolutely dislike mid-season cliffhangers! This show really didn't need to be more than 6 episodes.
I agree with that assessment. So as written this could have been a shorter season, OR, and hear me out, write better character building which would help so much with the character motivation for every character in this show. Why is Torbin so ansy to go home (You are training to be a damn Jedi, kid. Take it seriously!)? I'm sure more depth could explain Mae's flip flopping, Sol's burning desire for a padawan, the witches persecution complex (I'm not doubting it, but why are they so secretive, why is Koril so aggressive, etc.). That would have fleshed out the show nicely. As is, it's a barely coherent story stretched over too many episode. Cue Bilbo's "butter over too much bread" quote.
Yeah, over all I am enjoying this series but the full episode flashbacks have really killed the momentum of the story. I didn’t care enough about the characters to be fully invested in episode 3 and by episode 4 it almost felt like they had to reintroduce everyone since we had been away from them for so long
A finale flashback scene in the finale, revealing what ultimately happened, while still resolving the present day story, would've been much better than this backwards storytelling we got.
Totaly agree. ep 3 plus 7 should have been ep 1 (or 1 plus 2) and then we could jump to present day and following Sol trying to figure out who killed Jedi and so on. We could also had combined 4 and 5 (and probebly omit half of ep 4 (or give it to another director at least) into one hour long episode. Plus that we could have spent more time in EP 1 and 2 to flesh out why the senate overseeing the Jedi was such a big deal for Vanestra. Like a senator that is trying to find out what she is hiding during all these years. J.
@@ironmaiden93ofangmar I had hopes that the would go back to Brendark and solve some of the problems left out in EP 7 in the last episode thus giving us conclusion to key questions in the past - But given the showrunners interview I dont really has high hopes for that to happen. But if Sol and Mae could go back there investigation with Qamir and Osha going to prevent them while Vanestra going to arrest what she think is a fallen Sol could make for an intersting finale.
Questions from this episode: Why does Leslie Headland still have a job? Why does this episode exist? It’s basically a reshoot of episode 3 with like 4 extra scenes of Squid Game guy and Woman talking about Squid Game guy’s weird obsession with little girls, frizzy hair kid taking a blood sample, and like 1 fight with the wookie guy. No information is really gained, episode 3 is not meaningfully recontextualized, my mind isn’t really changed from the Jedis doing everything they could/should have done regardless. Why is everyone so traumatized by this. The events of this episode were apparently so bad that frizzy hair kid kills himself in episode 2 because he is just so guilt ridden and traumatized. Why. He literally did nothing wrong. THEY attacked HIM. He literally just wanted to go home, and this cultist inflicted a thinly-veiled rape allegory on him. How does any of this relate to smile face guy. How did May survive the infinite pit drop, flee the planet, and then manage to find presumably the only Sith in the universe at this point. Why does stopping the mind control instantly kill all the mind controlling women that seems like a severe design flaw. Why is it framed like I’m supposed to side with the women like they literally “assault” a little boy and harass this squad of monks over a blood test and a space themed eye exam. What the fuck was the main woman trying to do, she was “going to let her go because that’s what she wanted” but instead of just saying that we had to fight, turn into ghosts, and then die. Unless she was literally just saying shit to be funny this makes zero sense.
That one was so freaking dumb but at least funny. I was sitting there, eating my food and was just laughing and repeating OSHA ... MAE ... MAE ... OSHA ... MAE .... OSHA while it was playing out. And I was forgetting who is who and who was the good or the bad one again. They both can use the force and are apparently pretty good at it, but no ... do nothing. Just stand there and repeatedly scream the others name lol.
@ironesdacunha8865 they could have put the money into a more methodical story line than what we got. You know that's true the story for this show is all over the place
"How will they wrap up the story?" They won't, they only have one episode left...I speculate Qimir will get away, there'll be a few more pointless deaths, and nothing will get resolved because this series is supposed to be about the bad guys - not the good guys.
how have i seen nobody talking about how absolutely horrible the speeders look in this episode? it looks like a paper cutout of sol on a speeder pulls up then it cuts to a still shot of him getting off. where did the $180 million go???
Oh like witches pose sing minds and losing and telling children to lie isn’t an issue lol don’t know witches are bad at raising children compared to the Jedi order plus Jedi aren’t bad it’s a good thing in SW yet this wants you to forget that truth and act like Jedi are bad yeah not working
Jedi aren''t supposed to be a galactic police force. They broke into a covens home (out of curiosity), insisted they have a right (which they don't) to test younglings, got offended that they non-violently defended themselves, broke into their home *again*, then Sol killed their leader because he failed to interpret her intentions. All of this while the council told them to let the coven do their thing. But sure, lol, let's pretend the witches are in the wrong here.
We havent really seen anything to suggest that the Jedi simply not intervening would have led to any negative consequences: Osha was vocal about not really wanting to do the ascension and her Mother seems to be willing to defer to her wishes on that matter. The Jedi's failings here are threefold: - As an organisation overstepping it's boundaries - As individuals putting their own desires over the wellbeing of themselves and others - As a squad for masking the truth from the greater order for the supposed wellbeing of child (something they make NO attempt to rectify once Osha abandons that dream of her own volition) That isn't to say that the Witches, but particularly the zabrak birth mother, don't fail to de-escalate tensions at key points. But it is important to remember that the Jedi, as an institution of the Republic have no authority on Brendok and breach the coven without permission multiple times. Cooler heads very much could have prevailed but as of what we have seen so far the jedi are still to blame.
What did the Jedi even do wrong? Why the hell did Torbin drink poison? I cannot fathom what the hell he was so guilty about. Why did he literally END himself over...nothing?
@@Blisterdude123 Guilt is a funny thing. Sometimes it isn't that you did something wrong, but that you didn't realize something was wrong until it was too late. Feeling guilt over what you've done while being mind controlled is a very common trope. "This never would have happened if I hadn't been so impatient," or "if I'd been strong enough to realize my mind was being influenced."
@@theazurefire91 He didn't even do anything when he was mind controlled. The 'worst' he did was run off to the temple because he clearly had a few screws loose after his head got invaded. I don't mince words when I say that in this show, Torbin has basically done nothing but whine about going home, get beaten up by a Wookie, and then drunk poison after Mae's comedy cartoon attempt to kung-fu him to death.
@@Blisterdude123 That running to the temple is what instigated the entire thing. It's a domino effect. You're right he did nothing wrong directly, but his going to the temple lead ultimately to its destruction. You don't have to do something wrong directly to feel guilty.
@@theazurefire91 And why did he go running off? An evil witch invaded his brain, twisted his emotions and tormented his psyche, in an act of unwarranted aggression. Torbin was a victim. He did nothing wrong directly, or indirectly. The witches destroyed themselves through their own hostility and cult mentality.
I'm definitely 50/50 on the movie~episode format. Overall I do feel no matter what show the episode count should be minimum 50mins(not counting credits). Every other streaming show I enjoy literally is that minimally and do great. Does Disney not have that much faith in any of their projects 👀
I didn't think the witches were actually teleporting but we're casting an illusion of disappearing to throw off the Jedi. I understood that Sol was able to see through it somewhat and kill aniseya.
The biggest problem with the show really is just bad writing/execution and storytelling. It's been a recurring problem with a lot of the Disney era Star Wars. There have been interesting ideas that have either been executed poorly or marred by trying to push other messages into the story hamfistedly.
@@crispy_338 I actually think S2 of Mando was better as a whole but the high point of the whole show was the first 3 minutes of the first episode, which was really disappointing for the rest of the season for me. I expected a really gritty serious show about an antihero and we got a babysitting escort mission that really didn't need to be that long. And then there was S3... ooof.
The implication is plainly that the Jedi always knew they were out there. The whole balance of the force bit would demand it anyway. You want balance, kill off both the Jedi and the Sith. You cannot have one without the other. Yin/Yang. This whole story paints the Jedi as not so much keeping the Peace but forcing Peace. Stealing kids and forcing their will on entire planets is certain to create resentment. The Witches are right to hide. The Jedi would break them up for not using the Force in their prescribed way. Like a Baptist arguing with another Baptist affiliation (see Emo Phillips joke). ruclips.net/video/ANNX_XiuA78/видео.html
@@TahoeMtnMan but that's not how George Lucas meant for the Jedi and Sith to be. To him, the light side is what gives true balance to the Force. The dark side, though more specifically the Sith, are like a disease/virus to the Force, and by destroying them Anakin "healed" the Force, so to speak, so that balance was restored. The Jedi in the Prequels were flawed, but still GOOD people. They never forced their will upon anyone and NEVER stole children; they only ever recruited them after receiving full consent from the parents. The Acolyte is a fundamental misunderstanding of who the Jedi are.
@@TheTruMan196 How did Annakin/Darth Vader bring balance back to the Force? It seemed to require killing off the bulk of the Jedi and then the Emporer with them. He removed both sides... The only Jedi we know of were in hiding. Neither side ruled anything in the end. I don't need to know what George Lucas thinks... I just need to watch what he put on the screen before Disney screwed it all up.
@@jimmyramos1989 Fine then. A daily reminder that this money laundering operation disguised as a bad star wars show cost more than enterire series of Babylon 5. ;)
I mean, we know the safety standards in SW are non-existent. Nary a guardrail in sight. But, no fire suppression systems? No fire alarms? Lucas, please. Atmosphere on asteroids and sound in space? Sure. Lightsabres? Ok. The Force? OK. No fire suppression/alarm? That's where I draw the line.
Eckhart, bombastic, Moist and RLM are the only star wars reviews i trust at this point. These channels seem to be the only ones judging these shows from an unbiased neutral standpoint
Mae went from lying during the test to suddenly answering truthfully about Ascension simply because the plot required it... and I just couldn't believe that a padawan would act as rashly as Torbin did, hopping on a speeder and racing back toward the same compound where his mind was invaded... his motivation was paper thin. Such a frustrating episode, I keep rooting for the show but the execution just keeps failing the underlying ideas.
I'm thinking that the last episode might be a double-length for the finale. I certainly hope it is, because I have no idea how they're going to wrap it up in 30 minutes.
It is over. Do you think that just because a corpo puppets the zombie remains of a once beloved IP, that that matters? Do you think that you have to accept Disney Star Wars? Because you are free to ignore it, and should.
I take issue with you saying someone invading and taking control of your mind is banal. That has to be one of the most invasive, cruel, and dangerous things you could possibly do to a sentient living being. It's not like she was just telepathicly communicating. We see that when they do that, they take control.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Qamir himself is possibly Plagueis and has the ability to create life. First, this would explain why he still looks young despite it being implied that he's much older than what he looks. Perhaps he has the ability to continue to renew himself or prevent aging. At the end of the fifth episode when he rolls over Osha, it looks like he somewhat heals her wound or at least seals it? If he is Plagueis, is older, and can create life then perhaps he was involved in creating the twins. Episode seven emphasized that despite being twins they had the same aura signature (I don't think that was the exact wording but it's what I'm using) as if they are the same being split into two. Perhaps the original plan was that the twins go through the ceremony and one of them becomes the leader of the coven while the other becomes his apprentice? The witches seemed very against having Osha leave despite Mae still staying and leading the coven, almost as if they were scared for their own well-being if they let Osha go with the Jedi. When Qamir/Plagueis saw that the Jedi were taking Osha and may have heard Aniseya say that she was going to let Osha go anyway, he may have decided to then blow up the place and kill everyone. I mean, this episode still doesn't really show why the explosion happened. It seems unreal that a hallway fire caused all of that lol.
@@IrrelevantPerson There's a difference between explosions and the fire that is shown in Acolyte. I think all space science fiction movies accept the idea of explosions and sounds in space battles (suspenson of disbelief). But no one lights a campfire in space, which is basically equivalent to the fire that was shown in Acolyte. The writers of the Acolyte are just plain stupid, just lazy, aren't Star Wars fans, and they aren't even science fiction fans. They just don't care, and it shows. It shows in the quality (or lack thereof) of their work.
@@peterphan227 Someone’s ignoring the flaming SSD crashing into the Death Star at the battle of Endor and all the ships in flames at the battle of coruscant and all the other times, but you should keep going! Maybe this time add in your complete distaste and ideas of laziness in the OT for their being sound and fire in space, which I’m sure you must have if you’re this worked up over a gas line on fire! It’s a space fantasy. Not hard sci fi.
Seriously? How to say you’ve never watched a single piece of star wars content in your life 101. Return of the Jedi is the most famous one, go watch the destruction of the executor again and repeat that.
SO I AM HONESTLY ENJOJYING THIS SHOW and I haaaaaaate where Star Wars has been going. Yeh, very very very dumb decisions being made but I like this Sith guy.
The shills/fans of the show telling haters to keep coping yet giving no actual examples of how it’s a good show is just as annoying as the haters who say it’s awful yet give no actual criticism and just say it’s woke
From a technical filmmaking standpoint, it’s not made well. That’s for sure. But as a Star Wars fan who’s been used to poor execution since the prequels, it does give us some interesting concepts and characters. Try watching Generation Tech’s videos on it, he explains the redeeming qualities to it far better than I can, while also being critical of it.
I legit have a guy telling me that Lucas got the Jedi wrong and this show is showing that and he listed examples from Disney of the Jedi "sucking" as being done right, thats the word he used. That's right, the guy who created the Jedi got it wrong lol. I dont understand these people
I would recommend the little platoons videos as he does praise what little there is and gives his opinion on how this interesting concepts should be done.
There are no Sith in this series, just a failed padawan posing as one who has allied with the Zabrak surviving witch in a vengeance plot against the Jedi.
I hope the eight episode is longer and more fleshed out because I get what you mean with going back twice with these rather short episodes. I really liked this episode but we have a lot of lose ends right now and if they end it on a cliffhanger I’m going to be rather disappointed.
I didn’t like either of the flashback episodes but overall I’ve been enjoying the show for what it is. I’m looking forward to seeing how the “current day” storyline wraps up.
I think people should cry a little more about this pretty good show. First completely new thing we've gotten with no nostalgia and all the weirdos are yapping about it.
Disney needs to do themselves a favor a just release the whole season at once. Releasing the season weekly just leaves us confused and judging too quick.
i think the last episode is gonna show how one sister raised in the light falls to the dark, and the other raised in the darkness, rises to the light. If i'm right, the these perspectives help us see how both sisters went the way they went. from Mae's perspective, the jedi are murderers who killed her whole family, but will find out that they actually wante to saver her and her sister. And Osha will find out how her saviors are actually her enemy. they will essencially swap places. so even tho the story telling is confusing, it all leads up to this. but maybe in the end they all die to keep the cannon events of the sith
The overall Star Wars story needed a "hey, this is why people didn't always like/trust the Jedi" story. Jedi have always been the ones coming in and cleaning up the messes, not causing them. In our lives, we see so many cracks in organizations that were portrayed as being there to help us. Sometimes, even while trying to do "the right thing", we have the wrong people in the moment. A situation escalates that never should have occurred, and irreversible tragedy results.
@@GrimDim the Jedi have been misguided but kiling people and lying about it is just not a Jedi characteristic. It's a subversion. That seems to be the only thing Disney Star Wars can do. Subvert the Jedi. This show is supposed to be focused on the sith lol
Sure, but this is a shit version of this. And it would have been better building this up over several shows, movies, books, comics than just cramming it into 8 20 minute episodes that are written by Chatgpt
@@GrimDim They are a group of force-sensitives, which in Star Wars lore have a heightened sense of empathy assuming they don't intentionally tap into the Dark Side, who make a conscious effort to keep the peace and protect the weak through their actions and are trained from childhood to improve their abilities. It's little wonder that they would look like a group that only does good because they are made up of people who all actually TRY to do good by both natural inclination and philosophy. They don't always succeed but they are pretty much the only organization in Star Wars who is firmly and proactively aligned with the light. Most other Force-sensitive organizations are neutral at best and outright evil at worst. When they decline or nearly go extinct, bad things tend to happen as all the dark powers they keep in check are left... unchecked.
If you studied George Lucas' film making techniques as I did back in the day and actually read about his philosophy on film making, he expressly DOESN'T USE FLASHBACKS because he thinks its lazy storytelling. Fast-forward to Disney Star Wars and their hacks like headland saying George is a misogynist and purposefully ignored everything he established in 6 Star Wars movies! How'd that work out for you Disney?😂
You're probably watching a wookie with a metal detector, because it probably was a metal detector. At the very least it's a pretty good design for a scanner
@@codygusto9654 Because they are JEDI looking for a powerful FORCE NEXUS. They should literally just need to sit in orbit for 2 minutes and home in on it like a golden retriever to a greenie bone. They aren't geologists looking for a fucking limonite deposit. They aren't even non-force-sensitives looking for a force nexus while relying on Khyber-technology or whatever. They're JEDI MONKS who for some reason need to sweep a meadow like a Ukrainian EOD tech rather than just... Meditating on it??? If they're having trouble for some reason??? It's so, so, so very stupid.
I think what they wanted to go for is to show how the Jedi wreak just as much havoc as the Sith do, the difference is the Jedi do it unintentionally out of ignorance and self-righteousness.
I think it's been clear for a long time that the Jedi aren't a flawless group. However, like Gui-Gon Jinn famously said, the choice to choose the light is important. They are an important nay essential component for maintaining the balance of the Force in the Star Wars galaxy which has a myriad of powerful and naturally occurring dark forces seeking to disrupt that balance. If you take them out of the picture then the situation for life in general quickly begins to spiral downward around the galaxy as the darkness grows unchecked. My analogy are that the Jedi are gardeners tending to the galaxy and trying to keep it healthy. They don't always make the right decisions, such as about what is or isn't a weed, but they ultimately are doing what they do with the greater good in mind. That's far more than you can say about the Sith who have an active interest in turning said garden into a chaotic dangerous jungle where only the strongest thrive.
Well it's not that bad... The Lightsaber fights are undoubtfully awesome! I guess it's to improve Jedi Vs Sith combat since the lame lightsaber duels between Rey and Kyle Ren. This series is dead because it focused on greatly improving lightsaber duels and completely forgot wth this series is even about.
@@shogunpug4071 True I guess... Let's just hope that the last episode is something good lol, because there hasn't been a lot of action like in Episode 5.
If I’m being honest it was genuinely hilarious when the witch said, “Not you!!!” when brainwashing the Wookie. Seems like they accidentally used the “ok one more take for the actor have fun with it!” take.
You know after all the hate baiting and the Fandom Menace being awful to the actors, I just can’t stand it anymore, I’m gonna take a break from Star Wars after this show ends.
@@thelordakira I’m just so tried after all this especially how they just won’t stop hate baiting. I don’t feel bad for them after Mr H Reviews, Nerdrotic, or StarWarsTheory being awful to people.
Look up what the creators are saying about the audience and tell me you still feel that the fans are the problem The creators literally went out of their way to say their story was meant to uproot Star Wars, hired people specifically unfamiliar with it, said the goal was to make white men cry.. and now they want to blame the audience for not liking the show they created ? This is the whole Eric Andre “why would they do this” meme
I went into this show with an open mind. It makes no sense. Everything from the little things like fire in space up to Sol’s reasoning the twins were in danger. I just can’t get into it.
I’ve, surprisingly, quite enjoyed the show so far. Episode 7 tho… ehhhhh. I knew they needed to stick the whole unreliable narrator angle and they just didn’t. That episode opened up MORE questions than it closed, and left me feeling pretty hopeless the finale will wrap things up well. I was incredibly disappointed that THAT was what we’ve been waiting to see for 6 episodes. Maybe it could’ve worked if they’d started the show w the fire on Brendok, buuuuut they didn’t
Koril is the real villain here. Her selfishness caused all manner of miscommunications which ended up leading to the deaths of a lot of people. And intentionally riling up Mae, trying to cause rifts between not only the witches and the Jedi, but between Mae and Osha, is just messed up.
Kathleen is the master and Koril is the apprentice, the writers are the many
The power of one, the power of two the power of mannnnnnny🤮
Bruh that scene at 2:55 creeped me out when she came from the trees like that. I might be the only one who felt that way, but that looked quite sinister to me
You know whats funny like really fun, she might actually end up being the big sith bad guy. She is never shown dead and she says to Mae to use her anger like a sith. You cannot make this show up.
I don't know if you noticed this is Drag Queen story hr here Koril is a dude. This story about the force making twins is... welllllll probably not what really happened if you get my drift.
@@anthonyb5279 Damn, I thought the first reply about Kathleen was the most pathetic thing I've ever seen in youtube, and seconds later you came in and got it beat. Legit compliments on being a whole other level,
Call me a conspiracy theorist but there is no way this cost 180 Million dollars.
It's that money laundering timing.
it didnt, the women lined their pockets
A New hope cost $11 million adjusting for inflation today that would be $63 million. They invested in new film technology called motion control. That came out of the budget. I want to know where the money went on the acolyte? It’s certainly not on the screen.
same with kenobi, at least here we have a good cast and a decent actor performance and decent effects, i honestly think you can see the money in this show, at least a bit
Probably Disney paying absurd amounts to shell companies so they can lie and say they lost money and then don't have to pay taxes
So what exactly was Mother Aniseya doing when she started to transform into black smoke? Was she just teleporting away to get Osha and she was just gonna come right back and then let them leave? Sol probably overreacted by stabbing her, but when a person who you have an antagonistic relationship with starts to transform into some ominous black smoke, what else should he do?
She was doing something to try to protect the kids
@@EckhartsLadder Then why did she say she was going to have let Osha go as she was dying? Did I miss something in that scene?
I thought it was an obfuscation trick, disappearing Mae out of the Jedi's vision but cut (ha) short by Sol stabbing her.
Then again maybe they just thought "what would look cool here? Some kind of shadow force bollocks!" 😅
And Sol, having played a JRPG or two in his day back at the temple, understandably thought she was changing into her final form.
@@thomasspangenberg5328 She was going to let Osha go with the Jedi. Osha wasn't even there, so her trying to stop the fight isn't part of that.
I miss the days where the season of a show was 20ep+ long and could actually tell a whole story...
They don't have the budget for that. Poor Disney could only provide a very limited budget for star wars shows and I'm totally sure the acolyte didn't have much money to spare...
@@JotaDeeMeO Not enough to money to spare 😂. This show has a budget of $180 MILLION, that’s over $20 million per episode for at best 30 minutes of cheap looking garbage. Look at house of dragon which has $200 million budget but gives us 8 hours of jaw dropping content with large scale castle sets.
@@treykambi9566 They... They were being sarcastic, babes. They said "poor disney". C'mon.
The glorification of the days where seasons had 20 episodes compeletey ognores that every serkes had so many filler episodes back in the days. Still, it doesn't make the nonsense better that's coming out today.
@@mynamedontmind fillers ♥️
This entire episode could have been an email
Body snatching, mind control and using your new meat puppet to fight his friends still feels pretty evil ...
That's all dark side feats 🤷♂️.. I don't understand why anyone is defending this terribly written show
The story of this show would have been a good option for a Rashomon-style feature film, focusing on the different perspectives of what happened during an ill-fated meeting between a group of Jedi and force witches.
pretty genius idea, actually! but I think rashomon is probably too much of the purview of the show creators.
I think I'm going to have no complaints in hindsight about this eight part movie about a Jedi named Sol that spends a little too much time with its other principal characters. This episode killed me, especially Aniseya's death and the last moment of the episode with Sol breaking down and beginning to tell for the first time the lie that's going to kill him a little more every time he tells it for the next 16 years. But last episode frustrated the hell out of me with the Stranger padding and being a series of eight thirty minute episodes has done this show absolutely no favors. There's a Rogue One tier three hour movie in this series.
@@victinhalcyon2646 I wish the “a Star Wars story” movie series took more swings like this. But yes, having competent filmmakers would be vitally important.
@@victinhalcyon2646 They actually said the film was an inspiration for how the mystery unfolded in the show.
The Last Jedi was a better homage to Rashomon than Acolyte is.
I can forgive a lot of plot holes and even sloppy writing in many things, especially Star Wars, but I think the biggest problem with The Acolyte by far was it's marketing vs what we got. They told us it was "Going to tell us events from the Sith's prospective", and I'm not even sure we've seen a True Sith in this entire show so far, with only one episode left.
We saw something infinitely more important this episode than any Sith story. We saw metal detectors that presumably find concentrated.... force?
THIS! Literally wtf. I don’t know why enough people aren’t bringing up this point.
This was lowkey the show I was most excited for when it was first announced and described in that way.
Absolutely insane the way this show has gone.
Then people complain about sith existing... wait they do
@dylante5987 - I completely misread that comment as you were most excited for the force metal detector. LOL!
Show is definitely not what I expected. But, I don't really expect much anymore.
@@jcope3886 what is this force metal detector? Do you mean a strong presence in the force location? Like the force Nexus on Dagobath?
This series has less connecting episodes than the third season of the Mandalorian
This episode still hasn't explained why shit started exploding. I find it very hard to believe that tiny ass fire that Mae started somehow caused a reactor to explode. I expected it to be the sith the sabotaged the reactor but they haven't shown that and I doubt they'd do ANOTHER flashback in the very last episode
Hydraulics, faulty wiring, old mining equipment
Especially in a Stone castle.
Faulty wiring doesn't make stone blocks flammable.
@@kusaselihlengubane8984I went back to watch the fire wasn’t that big. It was only the explosion. Obviously burning that magic book was going to create some kind of chemical that was going to spread some.
@@guybunchofnumbers123more like faulty writing
i really found it lazy that just her removing the dark side presence from the wookie automatically killed them ALL. like one? two? ok, but the entire coven? they didn''t just get a force headache but frickin outright died? that's a pretty big weakness. 50 ppl to possess one person that one jedi can purge and you ALL die when you literally could have easily killed them by force instead of chanting.
the fight sequences however in the entire series are ALL really good, so it's got that at least. i capitalize ALL a lot...
There has been no confirmation that the witches died?
It looks like they all faint.
Proving the force is more powerful than the power of many.
@@gimzod76true
It could also be that they were all knocked unconscious by the jolt of being forced out of Kalnacca's mind, leaving them to die in the fire.
@@gimzod76 the opposite actually. they were many and extremely powerful in the force, so they should have kicked the jedi's ass in pure force manipulation alone, not combat
Mei and Osha's backstory amounted to a guy with an unhealthy obsession, a homesick man-child and an idiot who issued vague threats and impulsively triggered an ominous power instead of just communicating like an adult. Then in her dying breath she gaslights Sol. And the issues don't end there.
I can see what the writers were going for but they completely lacked the competence to pull it off. Ultimately, there's very little about this episode that's defensible. And it's apparent that this series is going to end in an Ahsoka-style cliffhanger where nothing's resolved and everyone's back to square one.
Seriously, this is the worst episode yet.
The whole show was terribly ham-fisted together.
That Jedi that drank the poison , what did he do that was bad enough that he decided he deserved to die ? I don’t understand.
First, he let Mother Aniseya corrupt his mind the first time the broke in. He probably never recovered from that. Secondly, he rushed off to go "rescue" the twins to cure his own homesickness, which precipited the disastrous fight.
This episode was great and it was the perfect follow up the its previous flash back one. Most people in the future will see this in a binge fashion so will get the answers they want sooner rather than dread out over months, leading to less frustration.
How many flashback scenes are in the six Star Wars movies George Lucas made? It's hard to stay in the moment and enjoy shows with all of the timeline jumping
I would say half of them ;)
@@EckhartsLadder lol
@@EckhartsLadderAcolyte all-flashback episode 7 was very good.
I liked the references to the hyperspace catastrophe that wiped out life on some planets; of which in the last episode Jedi master Vernestra has pain/nausea from traveling through hyperspace due to her strong connection to the force.
The fact that Sol was an emotional Jedi like Dooku, Anakin and Quigon Jinn was seen in quite a big way.
The turn of the plot, who is responsible for the death of the entire Clan of these Witches who follow the path of Bogan = Darkness in magic, they were quite similar to the Witches of the Sisterhood of the Night from Dathomir, where Darth Maul also comes from.
The fights were great, the choreography was great and seeing two Jedi fight against a possessed Wookie Jedi was great.
But most of all, normally, just like Mother Cora, I felt this emotional pain in my heart. When Sol killed her partner, co-mother of two children and the love of her life, mother Aniseya, in front of her eyes.
The destruction reminded me of something similar to when the Jedi destroyed the entire planet of Korriban, where the original Sith race came from.
Whole Acolite show is better then Kenobi and Book of Boba fett together. They made mistakes they turned these two project into show and not as movie.
Every one of the movies by himselfe are good even 8 Last Jedi but that was mistake by one stupin man.
But these film are still better then these ones down here.\/
Okay so the best trilogy of Star Wars movies from the original George Lucas era.
And that: Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure; Ewoks: The Battle for Endor & Star Wars Holifays special.
Ewoks: The Battle for Endor
So, what do you say to me now.
These ones are total strash.
@@EckhartsLadderwell played
What does any of this have to do with the sith guy? These writers are infuriating.
A show called the acolyte focused almost entirely on subverting the jedi during the HIGH REPUBLIC ERA lmao. This show could've been so cool.
I'm seven episodes in and I couldn't begin to tell you what the plot of this show is even about. A whole bunch of random disconnected plot threads and ideas that aren't coming together and keep being abandoned.
I think the shows writers spent $180m on acid so they could write this crazy script
The Sith are always boring. This coverup is tragic as heck and very entertaining.
They could have written off the Sith from all the movies, and it would have made little difference.
@@hugoedelarosa of all the takes I've ever seen about Star Wars this is certainly one of them.
The end credit song was my last straw. I tried defending some of the stuff, but r&b pop isn’t Star Wars. Artist themselves, while good, is yet another multi check box hire too instead of picking someone that would know how to make a Star Wars theme.
I think this show's biggest weakness is presentation/execution.
I feel like this should have been episode 1 instead of a flashback. With the exception of Sol, I feel little to no connection to these Jedi characters since they've already died early on in the show. I think this would make Mae's "fall" (and the plot in general) more profound as we follow the events as they happen, instead of looking to these flashbacks to justify what we saw in previous episodes. To me, the characters and events feel really dull and the whole show is just hinging upon the mystery of "what happened?" I think the big mystery should really be "Will Mae succeed in killing Sol and fall further into darkness, or will she be swayed from her path by Osha?"
I think a major part is that much of the plot of the show is held together with contrivances and inconsistencies, and most of the main characters are barely characters; Osha has barely any agency and Mae's motivations seem to change with every scene she's in. Plus the show from the very first episodes seemed to very clearly telegraph that the intention of the show was to make the Jedi seem like the bad guys, despite the events in the show and rest of the SW movies including Disney's sequel trilogy doing the opposite. Instead of making the Jedi look corrupt or imperialistic they just seem very incompetent and really bad at communicating, both versions of which are very much goes contrary to what we've seen the Jedi to be in the prequels when Qui Gon and Kenobi are sent as diplomats to Naboo. One of the most frustrating things I find about bad fiction writing is when a situation gets completely out of control because characters who should know better fail to use the most basic communication skills to actually communicate, and in the Acolyte there are plenty of potential plot mechanics available in the SW universe that could have been used to create a more believable conflict than what was actually chosen.
I disagree, I was very impressed by how not anti-Jedi this episode actually was. This episode to me was all about tragedy caused by people acting on their assumptions and confusing their personal desires and feelings for reality. If anything it Sol and Torbin showing their inexperience as Jedi, which Indara emphasized
Agreed. Torbin was both paranoid after the witch getting in his head. He also wanted to leave and Sol seemed to care more getting an apprentice of his own. Indara was level headed, same with Kelnacca.
It's clear Sol is a very emotional Jedi and this may not be the first time he's acted like this. Maybe that's why Indara covered it up, not only to protect Osha but also keep Sol, her Padawan and by extention herself from getting in series trouble with the High Council.
Based off of what we saw in this episode Mae looked like she never intended to kill Osha but keep her there. Mae seemed genuinely scared that she caused the fire. First flashback was Osha's POV and the Witches. So i can see why Osha "thinks" Mae wanted to kill her.
In the end, this all was because of multiple miscalculations and assumptions that caused this mess.
Yes thats the point, the jedi aren’t evil, but they can be extremely flawed.
This episode was literally, "Qui-Gon really screwed up, and I don't think we're talking about this enough." 😂
No it's that people are flawed. This doesn't challenge the ideals structure or law imposed by the jedai. You know, what the show was trying to sell us as the premise.
@@SkywalkerAcademy-oi4fbMae literally says she wants to kill Osha in Episode 3; even if she didn’t truly mean it, saying that then immediately starting a fire, Osha will believe it’s her intention.
Despite this episode "attempts" to portray the Jedi as bad I'm still firmly on their side. Sure they made mistakes, but that's all it was mistakes.
That's because the writers are trying to call good evil, and evil good. They are trying to confuse things, but rational people just don't follow their gas lighting.
the episode was clearly more favorable to the jedi than theyve been portrayed in the previous episodes, i dont even know what show you are watching
They aren’t trying to portray them as bad, they are trying to portray them as flawed.
you are dimwitted
@@imhere8474 many SW fans when the Jedi are shown to have faults; "Wait, that's illegal!"
episode 8 gonna have you looking like Chuck in the courtroom.
IT WAS THE BIRTH MOTHER
SHE ORCHESTRATED IT
SHE GASSED HERSELF INTO A WOOKIE
SHE DEFECATED THROUGH THE POWER OF MANY!
@@ZenMonkeyGod SHE'LL NEVER CHANGE
ALWAYS HARNASSING THE DARK STRENGTH OF THE FORCE, MISGUIDED IN HER INTENT
I TRIED TO STOP HER, I TRIED TO TAKE-to-- take her- her children...
YOUR TELLING ME THE CHILDREN JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE NO FATHER.
The funniest comment on twitter I say was saying that "This show was a tax write off" lmao
Hollywood is a money laundering scheme.
With the Star Wars Resort shut down I believe that haha
This episode also tells u y Saul didnt know it was Mae who was the one on the ship with him. The girls have the same essence or wavelength so using the force to tell them apart isnt possible because they are one and the same in the force. The tattoo or the way they act is the only way to distinguish them.
Does this also hide the massive tattoo on her forehead? Force obscuration?
Master Yoda during the first episode of Clone Wars literally said to three clones that although they share the same face they are very much different in the force
Why does Sol try to hold up both platforms which look quite heavy and not just force pull the girls to safety?
Not every Jedi is perfect you know.
For the story to happen. Also he should at least force push the twins away from the platform.
@@christiancolasito8266 as I said not every Jedi is perfect
@@A21_Edits its the easier option... and the obvious choice
@@Aetoski sometimes you have to make a dark side or light side choice just like in SWTOR game and KOTOR games. Sol did a dark side choice saving only one and letting the other fall.
For episode 7 Disney really thought "episode 3 was one of the worst star wars products ever and the worst episode of The Acolyte, let's make it longer without adding anything"
The choice of music at the end was a real shock for me
Episode 3+7 should have been flashback scenes during the season, and episode 4+5 should have been one 50 mins episode instead. Maybe it's just me, but I absolutely dislike mid-season cliffhangers! This show really didn't need to be more than 6 episodes.
I agree with that assessment. So as written this could have been a shorter season, OR, and hear me out, write better character building which would help so much with the character motivation for every character in this show. Why is Torbin so ansy to go home (You are training to be a damn Jedi, kid. Take it seriously!)? I'm sure more depth could explain Mae's flip flopping, Sol's burning desire for a padawan, the witches persecution complex (I'm not doubting it, but why are they so secretive, why is Koril so aggressive, etc.). That would have fleshed out the show nicely. As is, it's a barely coherent story stretched over too many episode.
Cue Bilbo's "butter over too much bread" quote.
Yeah, over all I am enjoying this series but the full episode flashbacks have really killed the momentum of the story. I didn’t care enough about the characters to be fully invested in episode 3 and by episode 4 it almost felt like they had to reintroduce everyone since we had been away from them for so long
A finale flashback scene in the finale, revealing what ultimately happened, while still resolving the present day story, would've been much better than this backwards storytelling we got.
Totaly agree. ep 3 plus 7 should have been ep 1 (or 1 plus 2) and then we could jump to present day and following Sol trying to figure out who killed Jedi and so on. We could also had combined 4 and 5 (and probebly omit half of ep 4 (or give it to another director at least) into one hour long episode. Plus that we could have spent more time in EP 1 and 2 to flesh out why the senate overseeing the Jedi was such a big deal for Vanestra. Like a senator that is trying to find out what she is hiding during all these years. J.
@@ironmaiden93ofangmar I had hopes that the would go back to Brendark and solve some of the problems left out in EP 7 in the last episode thus giving us conclusion to key questions in the past - But given the showrunners interview I dont really has high hopes for that to happen.
But if Sol and Mae could go back there investigation with Qamir and Osha going to prevent them while Vanestra going to arrest what she think is a fallen Sol could make for an intersting finale.
Questions from this episode:
Why does Leslie Headland still have a job?
Why does this episode exist? It’s basically a reshoot of episode 3 with like 4 extra scenes of Squid Game guy and Woman talking about Squid Game guy’s weird obsession with little girls, frizzy hair kid taking a blood sample, and like 1 fight with the wookie guy. No information is really gained, episode 3 is not meaningfully recontextualized, my mind isn’t really changed from the Jedis doing everything they could/should have done regardless.
Why is everyone so traumatized by this. The events of this episode were apparently so bad that frizzy hair kid kills himself in episode 2 because he is just so guilt ridden and traumatized. Why. He literally did nothing wrong. THEY attacked HIM. He literally just wanted to go home, and this cultist inflicted a thinly-veiled rape allegory on him.
How does any of this relate to smile face guy.
How did May survive the infinite pit drop, flee the planet, and then manage to find presumably the only Sith in the universe at this point.
Why does stopping the mind control instantly kill all the mind controlling women that seems like a severe design flaw.
Why is it framed like I’m supposed to side with the women like they literally “assault” a little boy and harass this squad of monks over a blood test and a space themed eye exam.
What the fuck was the main woman trying to do, she was “going to let her go because that’s what she wanted” but instead of just saying that we had to fight, turn into ghosts, and then die. Unless she was literally just saying shit to be funny this makes zero sense.
The girls just standing on the bridge screaming each other's names was the most idiotic scenes in the show, and there's a lot to choose from.
That one was so freaking dumb but at least funny. I was sitting there, eating my food and was just laughing and repeating OSHA ... MAE ... MAE ... OSHA ... MAE .... OSHA while it was playing out. And I was forgetting who is who and who was the good or the bad one again.
They both can use the force and are apparently pretty good at it, but no ... do nothing. Just stand there and repeatedly scream the others name lol.
The lane rnb song in the credits was extremely out of place
This show is a complete waste of money
Good it's ome step to drive disney bankrupt
Not my noney 😊
@ironesdacunha8865 they could have put the money into a more methodical story line than what we got. You know that's true the story for this show is all over the place
Womp womp don't watch then
Nah it's actually pretty good
"How will they wrap up the story?" They won't, they only have one episode left...I speculate Qimir will get away, there'll be a few more pointless deaths, and nothing will get resolved because this series is supposed to be about the bad guys - not the good guys.
This is what happens when you write a show with Chatgpt
Flashback episodes are bad unless done VERY carefully, and choosing to make a penultimate episode a flashback episode is frankly insane
how have i seen nobody talking about how absolutely horrible the speeders look in this episode? it looks like a paper cutout of sol on a speeder pulls up then it cuts to a still shot of him getting off. where did the $180 million go???
Speederwise, after the BOBF speeder chase episode, nothing speeder related in star wars seems bad anymore lmao
Calling it now. They are gonna end this on a cliffhanger, with the expectation that this show is gonna get a second season.
They tried to do Roshomon, but I feel like nobody making this actually watched Roshomon - or Kill Bill. Or Frozen.
What’s driving me insane is waiting for these videos to drop
The witches are the villains here. The jedi did nothing (knowingly) wrong in this episode.
Idk the Jedi overstepped boundaries like crappy beat cops. Their involvement made the situation worse.
Oh like witches pose sing minds and losing and telling children to lie isn’t an issue lol don’t know witches are bad at raising children compared to the Jedi order plus Jedi aren’t bad it’s a good thing in SW yet this wants you to forget that truth and act like Jedi are bad yeah not working
*Witches possessing minds and teaching them to lie and live in fear
Jedi aren''t supposed to be a galactic police force. They broke into a covens home (out of curiosity), insisted they have a right (which they don't) to test younglings, got offended that they non-violently defended themselves, broke into their home *again*, then Sol killed their leader because he failed to interpret her intentions. All of this while the council told them to let the coven do their thing. But sure, lol, let's pretend the witches are in the wrong here.
We havent really seen anything to suggest that the Jedi simply not intervening would have led to any negative consequences: Osha was vocal about not really wanting to do the ascension and her Mother seems to be willing to defer to her wishes on that matter.
The Jedi's failings here are threefold:
- As an organisation overstepping it's boundaries
- As individuals putting their own desires over the wellbeing of themselves and others
- As a squad for masking the truth from the greater order for the supposed wellbeing of child (something they make NO attempt to rectify once Osha abandons that dream of her own volition)
That isn't to say that the Witches, but particularly the zabrak birth mother, don't fail to de-escalate tensions at key points. But it is important to remember that the Jedi, as an institution of the Republic have no authority on Brendok and breach the coven without permission multiple times. Cooler heads very much could have prevailed but as of what we have seen so far the jedi are still to blame.
No way, even Eckharts has stopped denying it after this crap?.. Maybe something will actually change
He's still doing his best to grasp at straws lmao
"Jedi screwing up and having to redeem themselves stories" have been done better in the past.
What did the Jedi even do wrong? Why the hell did Torbin drink poison? I cannot fathom what the hell he was so guilty about. Why did he literally END himself over...nothing?
@@Blisterdude123 Guilt is a funny thing. Sometimes it isn't that you did something wrong, but that you didn't realize something was wrong until it was too late. Feeling guilt over what you've done while being mind controlled is a very common trope. "This never would have happened if I hadn't been so impatient," or "if I'd been strong enough to realize my mind was being influenced."
@@theazurefire91 He didn't even do anything when he was mind controlled. The 'worst' he did was run off to the temple because he clearly had a few screws loose after his head got invaded. I don't mince words when I say that in this show, Torbin has basically done nothing but whine about going home, get beaten up by a Wookie, and then drunk poison after Mae's comedy cartoon attempt to kung-fu him to death.
@@Blisterdude123 That running to the temple is what instigated the entire thing. It's a domino effect. You're right he did nothing wrong directly, but his going to the temple lead ultimately to its destruction. You don't have to do something wrong directly to feel guilty.
@@theazurefire91 And why did he go running off? An evil witch invaded his brain, twisted his emotions and tormented his psyche, in an act of unwarranted aggression. Torbin was a victim. He did nothing wrong directly, or indirectly. The witches destroyed themselves through their own hostility and cult mentality.
Free dinner with kennedy
This episode broke me I hate this show now
I'm definitely 50/50 on the movie~episode format. Overall I do feel no matter what show the episode count should be minimum 50mins(not counting credits). Every other streaming show I enjoy literally is that minimally and do great. Does Disney not have that much faith in any of their projects 👀
I didn't think the witches were actually teleporting but we're casting an illusion of disappearing to throw off the Jedi. I understood that Sol was able to see through it somewhat and kill aniseya.
I thought that may be the case as well
Sad we couldn't get an obi wan season 2 because season 1 was bad. 90mil for obi wan, 180 mil for the acolyte 😂.
The biggest problem with the show really is just bad writing/execution and storytelling.
It's been a recurring problem with a lot of the Disney era Star Wars. There have been interesting ideas that have either been executed poorly or marred by trying to push other messages into the story hamfistedly.
Disney just cannot write or direct a half-decent Star Wars show
Except for Andor.
@@peterphan227 Andor and Mando S1. Two seasons out of how many attempted lmao
@@crispy_338 I actually think S2 of Mando was better as a whole but the high point of the whole show was the first 3 minutes of the first episode, which was really disappointing for the rest of the season for me. I expected a really gritty serious show about an antihero and we got a babysitting escort mission that really didn't need to be that long. And then there was S3... ooof.
Now comes the question of how are they gonna kill everyone who knows of the sith in 1 episode
Somehow.
it’s really a matter of killing Sol off, since he’s the only one left. Osha is being turned to the sith, and will probably become Qmir’s acolyte.
The implication is plainly that the Jedi always knew they were out there. The whole balance of the force bit would demand it anyway. You want balance, kill off both the Jedi and the Sith. You cannot have one without the other. Yin/Yang.
This whole story paints the Jedi as not so much keeping the Peace but forcing Peace. Stealing kids and forcing their will on entire planets is certain to create resentment. The Witches are right to hide. The Jedi would break them up for not using the Force in their prescribed way. Like a Baptist arguing with another Baptist affiliation (see Emo Phillips joke).
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@@TahoeMtnMan but that's not how George Lucas meant for the Jedi and Sith to be. To him, the light side is what gives true balance to the Force. The dark side, though more specifically the Sith, are like a disease/virus to the Force, and by destroying them Anakin "healed" the Force, so to speak, so that balance was restored. The Jedi in the Prequels were flawed, but still GOOD people. They never forced their will upon anyone and NEVER stole children; they only ever recruited them after receiving full consent from the parents.
The Acolyte is a fundamental misunderstanding of who the Jedi are.
@@TheTruMan196 How did Annakin/Darth Vader bring balance back to the Force? It seemed to require killing off the bulk of the Jedi and then the Emporer with them. He removed both sides... The only Jedi we know of were in hiding. Neither side ruled anything in the end.
I don't need to know what George Lucas thinks... I just need to watch what he put on the screen before Disney screwed it all up.
A daily reminder each episode of this money laundering operation disguised as a bad star wars show cost more than godzilla minus one.
who cares about Godzilla lol
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@@gimzod76 Godzilla Minus One is less expensive because of overworking 35 artists.
@@MrTragedious986 Which is why Disney special effects have been becoming memes with how bad they've become. :)
@@jimmyramos1989 Fine then.
A daily reminder that this money laundering operation disguised as a bad star wars show cost more than enterire series of Babylon 5. ;)
Hollywood reaaaallly needs to stop with the eight episode season bullshit
Talking head... always a Talking head.
I mean, we know the safety standards in SW are non-existent. Nary a guardrail in sight. But, no fire suppression systems? No fire alarms? Lucas, please.
Atmosphere on asteroids and sound in space? Sure. Lightsabres? Ok. The Force? OK. No fire suppression/alarm? That's where I draw the line.
I like that you have drawn a line!
Stay Strong! OSHA approv… oh, wait.
i mean why? completely arbitrary, what a stupid comment
Ironically, there are actual guard rails in the castle.
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Eckhart, bombastic, Moist and RLM are the only star wars reviews i trust at this point. These channels seem to be the only ones judging these shows from an unbiased neutral standpoint
Mae went from lying during the test to suddenly answering truthfully about Ascension simply because the plot required it... and I just couldn't believe that a padawan would act as rashly as Torbin did, hopping on a speeder and racing back toward the same compound where his mind was invaded... his motivation was paper thin. Such a frustrating episode, I keep rooting for the show but the execution just keeps failing the underlying ideas.
Mae was told to lie on the test, not anything else. I assumed torbins want to go home was extremely boosted by the mother manipulating his mind.
What are you on about? Mae clearly lied to fail the test. Nothing else that was said contradicts that.
But didn't you listen ... his mind was fortified now, so he was in no danger lol. Gosh, this show is so dumb.
I'm thinking that the last episode might be a double-length for the finale. I certainly hope it is, because I have no idea how they're going to wrap it up in 30 minutes.
Why wrap up a show when you can cliffhanger for a 2nd series you're sure to get 😬
I'm pretty sure they confirmed it was around 40 mins
... it's 43 minutes. I'm so done
I honestly wish George just decided to end Star Wars all together instead of selling it.
It is over. Do you think that just because a corpo puppets the zombie remains of a once beloved IP, that that matters? Do you think that you have to accept Disney Star Wars? Because you are free to ignore it, and should.
This show feels like the prequels. Good ideas. Poor execution.
I take issue with you saying someone invading and taking control of your mind is banal.
That has to be one of the most invasive, cruel, and dangerous things you could possibly do to a sentient living being. It's not like she was just telepathicly communicating. We see that when they do that, they take control.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Qamir himself is possibly Plagueis and has the ability to create life. First, this would explain why he still looks young despite it being implied that he's much older than what he looks. Perhaps he has the ability to continue to renew himself or prevent aging. At the end of the fifth episode when he rolls over Osha, it looks like he somewhat heals her wound or at least seals it?
If he is Plagueis, is older, and can create life then perhaps he was involved in creating the twins. Episode seven emphasized that despite being twins they had the same aura signature (I don't think that was the exact wording but it's what I'm using) as if they are the same being split into two.
Perhaps the original plan was that the twins go through the ceremony and one of them becomes the leader of the coven while the other becomes his apprentice? The witches seemed very against having Osha leave despite Mae still staying and leading the coven, almost as if they were scared for their own well-being if they let Osha go with the Jedi.
When Qamir/Plagueis saw that the Jedi were taking Osha and may have heard Aniseya say that she was going to let Osha go anyway, he may have decided to then blow up the place and kill everyone. I mean, this episode still doesn't really show why the explosion happened. It seems unreal that a hallway fire caused all of that lol.
All that shilling got you no where
Unsubbing too btw
*Gives you a medal for reviewing this* You did a brave thing tackling this monstrosity my man.
The Acolyte: where fire can exist in the vacuum of space and rock is flammable.
Star Wars: where fire has burned in space since the OT and clearly shown electrical fires cause issues when they make contact with a reactor 🤯
@@IrrelevantPerson There's a difference between explosions and the fire that is shown in Acolyte. I think all space science fiction movies accept the idea of explosions and sounds in space battles (suspenson of disbelief). But no one lights a campfire in space, which is basically equivalent to the fire that was shown in Acolyte. The writers of the Acolyte are just plain stupid, just lazy, aren't Star Wars fans, and they aren't even science fiction fans. They just don't care, and it shows. It shows in the quality (or lack thereof) of their work.
@peterphan227 not to mention comparing this 180 million dollar show to movies made in the 80s and 90s is crazy lol
@@peterphan227 Someone’s ignoring the flaming SSD crashing into the Death Star at the battle of Endor and all the ships in flames at the battle of coruscant and all the other times, but you should keep going! Maybe this time add in your complete distaste and ideas of laziness in the OT for their being sound and fire in space, which I’m sure you must have if you’re this worked up over a gas line on fire! It’s a space fantasy. Not hard sci fi.
Seriously? How to say you’ve never watched a single piece of star wars content in your life 101.
Return of the Jedi is the most famous one, go watch the destruction of the executor again and repeat that.
SO I AM HONESTLY ENJOJYING THIS SHOW and I haaaaaaate where Star Wars has been going. Yeh, very very very dumb decisions being made but I like this Sith guy.
The shills/fans of the show telling haters to keep coping yet giving no actual examples of how it’s a good show is just as annoying as the haters who say it’s awful yet give no actual criticism and just say it’s woke
From a technical filmmaking standpoint, it’s not made well. That’s for sure. But as a Star Wars fan who’s been used to poor execution since the prequels, it does give us some interesting concepts and characters.
Try watching Generation Tech’s videos on it, he explains the redeeming qualities to it far better than I can, while also being critical of it.
Both sides of the argument are hilarious to me
I haven't heard the woke argument from any serious SW fans. This show has far too many problems to even need to bring the shows political leaning up.
I legit have a guy telling me that Lucas got the Jedi wrong and this show is showing that and he listed examples from Disney of the Jedi "sucking" as being done right, thats the word he used. That's right, the guy who created the Jedi got it wrong lol. I dont understand these people
I would recommend the little platoons videos as he does praise what little there is and gives his opinion on how this interesting concepts should be done.
There are no Sith in this series, just a failed padawan posing as one who has allied with the Zabrak surviving witch in a vengeance plot against the Jedi.
I would rather have flashbacks throughout the episodes than two completely pace-breaking flashback episodes.
The real crime of this episode was the end credit music.
It’s almost like everyone saying this shit is garbage, poorly written, and a waste of money were right eh Eck?
I hope the eight episode is longer and more fleshed out because I get what you mean with going back twice with these rather short episodes. I really liked this episode but we have a lot of lose ends right now and if they end it on a cliffhanger I’m going to be rather disappointed.
What’s done.. is done.. but why insist on making it worse
I'm hoping we get a Patterson cut of the Acolyte that can move all the flashbacks around.
This show alone is ruining the whole franchise.
No it isn't. Just ignore it.
100%
@@Cryptosifunot completely
Not completely
I didn’t like either of the flashback episodes but overall I’ve been enjoying the show for what it is. I’m looking forward to seeing how the “current day” storyline wraps up.
I think people should cry a little more about this pretty good show. First completely new thing we've gotten with no nostalgia and all the weirdos are yapping about it.
I think the message of this show is to accept the differences of others and not force your world view on them.
I feel like Osha/Mae don’t make sense is because they’re meant to be one person.
Okay Ecks, what you call an "eight hour movie" is actually called a miniseries.
Disney Star Wars is usually so bad it becomes hilarious
Dune lookin’ hella good right now!
Disney needs to do themselves a favor a just release the whole season at once. Releasing the season weekly just leaves us confused and judging too quick.
It's not going to wrap up they're probably going to make a season 2😭😭
God, I hope not
@@MandatoryFruit search your feelings, you know it to be true
@@MandatoryFruit peace is a lie
@eckhartsladder please make a history of Jaina solo or Ben skywalker or even Anakin solo plz
Acolyte is a good story and wrapped well in finale......
@@dbapto6994 🙄
@@detectiveluck2899 star wars is back...and it's called: The Acolyte
The execution issues you cite are also everywhere to be found in the sequel trilogy.
Not like this....this is one of the most frustrating shows of the past few years.
And the prequels, but somehow we forgot about those....
@@hoos3014 100% agree
@@hoos3014 How so? Examples?
@@hoos3014prequels were executed fine. They created a want for more starwars. The sequels created a want to not love star wars.
i think the last episode is gonna show how one sister raised in the light falls to the dark, and the other raised in the darkness, rises to the light. If i'm right, the these perspectives help us see how both sisters went the way they went. from Mae's perspective, the jedi are murderers who killed her whole family, but will find out that they actually wante to saver her and her sister. And Osha will find out how her saviors are actually her enemy. they will essencially swap places. so even tho the story telling is confusing, it all leads up to this. but maybe in the end they all die to keep the cannon events of the sith
The overall Star Wars story needed a "hey, this is why people didn't always like/trust the Jedi" story. Jedi have always been the ones coming in and cleaning up the messes, not causing them.
In our lives, we see so many cracks in organizations that were portrayed as being there to help us. Sometimes, even while trying to do "the right thing", we have the wrong people in the moment. A situation escalates that never should have occurred, and irreversible tragedy results.
Why did star wars need that?
I hate the fiction thing of one group only does good. Yeah this is a world that is filled with space magic but no one is a saint...
@@GrimDim the Jedi have been misguided but kiling people and lying about it is just not a Jedi characteristic. It's a subversion. That seems to be the only thing Disney Star Wars can do. Subvert the Jedi. This show is supposed to be focused on the sith lol
Sure, but this is a shit version of this.
And it would have been better building this up over several shows, movies, books, comics than just cramming it into 8 20 minute episodes that are written by Chatgpt
@@GrimDim They are a group of force-sensitives, which in Star Wars lore have a heightened sense of empathy assuming they don't intentionally tap into the Dark Side, who make a conscious effort to keep the peace and protect the weak through their actions and are trained from childhood to improve their abilities. It's little wonder that they would look like a group that only does good because they are made up of people who all actually TRY to do good by both natural inclination and philosophy.
They don't always succeed but they are pretty much the only organization in Star Wars who is firmly and proactively aligned with the light. Most other Force-sensitive organizations are neutral at best and outright evil at worst. When they decline or nearly go extinct, bad things tend to happen as all the dark powers they keep in check are left... unchecked.
If you studied George Lucas' film making techniques as I did back in the day and actually read about his philosophy on film making, he expressly DOESN'T USE FLASHBACKS because he thinks its lazy storytelling. Fast-forward to Disney Star Wars and their hacks like headland saying George is a misogynist and purposefully ignored everything he established in 6 Star Wars movies! How'd that work out for you Disney?😂
A Wookie with a metal detector? Dafaq am I watching?
Seriously at least stick it out of a backpack to make it look like something that isn't a metal detector.
They can't scuba dive so they need some sort of hobby ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You're probably watching a wookie with a metal detector, because it probably was a metal detector. At the very least it's a pretty good design for a scanner
Chewie did all sorts of goofy shit, wearing googles with tools. Why is that different?
@@codygusto9654 Because they are JEDI looking for a powerful FORCE NEXUS. They should literally just need to sit in orbit for 2 minutes and home in on it like a golden retriever to a greenie bone.
They aren't geologists looking for a fucking limonite deposit. They aren't even non-force-sensitives looking for a force nexus while relying on Khyber-technology or whatever. They're JEDI MONKS who for some reason need to sweep a meadow like a Ukrainian EOD tech rather than just... Meditating on it??? If they're having trouble for some reason???
It's so, so, so very stupid.
Prediction, they will think they’re super smart and have a twist reveal that Sol is a Sith as well
You're just now recognizing this series is trash? Welcome to the party, pal.
Finally! Welcome home brother.
Thank you for watching this and summarizing it so I don't have to.
I think what they wanted to go for is to show how the Jedi wreak just as much havoc as the Sith do, the difference is the Jedi do it unintentionally out of ignorance and self-righteousness.
That in itself would have been a bad idea and if that was the plan they failed at executing it.
I think it's been clear for a long time that the Jedi aren't a flawless group. However, like Gui-Gon Jinn famously said, the choice to choose the light is important. They are an important nay essential component for maintaining the balance of the Force in the Star Wars galaxy which has a myriad of powerful and naturally occurring dark forces seeking to disrupt that balance. If you take them out of the picture then the situation for life in general quickly begins to spiral downward around the galaxy as the darkness grows unchecked.
My analogy are that the Jedi are gardeners tending to the galaxy and trying to keep it healthy. They don't always make the right decisions, such as about what is or isn't a weed, but they ultimately are doing what they do with the greater good in mind. That's far more than you can say about the Sith who have an active interest in turning said garden into a chaotic dangerous jungle where only the strongest thrive.
"The witches took things too far"
How would you feel if someone broke and entered your home?
stop with the snide remarks you know we're right about this being a sh*t show
Well it's not that bad... The Lightsaber fights are undoubtfully awesome! I guess it's to improve Jedi Vs Sith combat since the lame lightsaber duels between Rey and Kyle Ren.
This series is dead because it focused on greatly improving lightsaber duels and completely forgot wth this series is even about.
@@maximomartin2529the one lighstsber fight*
Also the jedi don't know how tube the force in fights. The show is dogshit. Ekk grasping straws
@@shogunpug4071 True I guess... Let's just hope that the last episode is something good lol, because there hasn't been a lot of action like in Episode 5.
@@shogunpug4071eh
What
I feel really bad for the people who watch ANY of this slop. Star Wars died in 2012.
I’m done with Star Wars. They’ve turned Anakin’s very special case within Star Wars into something not so special anymore. Fuck Disney
If I’m being honest it was genuinely hilarious when the witch said, “Not you!!!” when brainwashing the Wookie. Seems like they accidentally used the “ok one more take for the actor have fun with it!” take.
You know after all the hate baiting and the Fandom Menace being awful to the actors, I just can’t stand it anymore, I’m gonna take a break from Star Wars after this show ends.
don't feel bad about the meat marionette, when they blame the fans for their decisions, they include you.
@@thelordakira I’m just so tried after all this especially how they just won’t stop hate baiting. I don’t feel bad for them after Mr H Reviews, Nerdrotic, or StarWarsTheory being awful to people.
I don’t blame you
Look up what the creators are saying about the audience and tell me you still feel that the fans are the problem
The creators literally went out of their way to say their story was meant to uproot Star Wars, hired people specifically unfamiliar with it, said the goal was to make white men cry..
and now they want to blame the audience for not liking the show they created ? This is the whole Eric Andre “why would they do this” meme
Not an airport. No need to announce your departure.
This whole show feel very much like they assume they are getting another season and can just take their time throwing the Jedi under the bus
I went into this show with an open mind. It makes no sense. Everything from the little things like fire in space up to Sol’s reasoning the twins were in danger. I just can’t get into it.
fire in space has happened in star wars before, you know that right? padme's ship being damaged and catching on fire
I’ve, surprisingly, quite enjoyed the show so far. Episode 7 tho… ehhhhh. I knew they needed to stick the whole unreliable narrator angle and they just didn’t. That episode opened up MORE questions than it closed, and left me feeling pretty hopeless the finale will wrap things up well. I was incredibly disappointed that THAT was what we’ve been waiting to see for 6 episodes. Maybe it could’ve worked if they’d started the show w the fire on Brendok, buuuuut they didn’t