@@castro4694 Champions = every other master event with a new lick of paint, subjective, farming brazil where there is no depth, we counting domestic finals?, this doesn't mean anything lol fnatic were saving strats
For me it's Chronicle. Especially now after Masters Tokyo. This man is unstoppable, even it he isn't as popular as yay or tenz, I still think he's the goat.
While I do agree I honestly think alpha is better, and easily the best player in the world, the dude is an absolute rock and the most pesky sentenel there is, the guy just absolutely shit on everyone in tokyo
same he is the only player to have a treble of international trophy plus his clutch and consistency throughout valorant brief history, he played in 2 different teams and managed to win in both
The fact that Chronicle can play 3 different agent roles so consistently makes him the GOAT for me Edit : Especially in the Grand Finals against LOUD, he played different agents in all the maps
@@kungfukenny9300 It's not just cuz they have 3 players who are best in their role if not all 5. derka is not like sayf to where the team is relaying on derke to perform. the reson fnc is the best cuz they are the only team that is a superteam
@@vuga825 i mean i felt like because of overwhelming pressure after not losing any games since lock-in causes them to lose that as well i don't know if i'm being bias but that's just my opinion. like speically when chronicle and leo starts to gets kill they just don't stop and literally starts smurfing. but they chocked badly only alfa played good
@@castro4694 umm the current fnatic roster lost for the first time against TL in the EMEA Finals, so Derke does have the win rate thing, but all of the others are good :)
for me, nats will always be the greatest player. maybe not based on statistics or achievement, but i truly believe he defined the lurking role we see today. he absolutely shifted the game and prime nats back in 2021 berlin is something we just keep referencing over and over again.
PRX something and EG Demon1 have a chance to make their way into these videos for masters tokyo. both have performed outrageously well in their regions and have crazy high potential
I thought bringing something in to the mix wont make much of a difference but i was very much mistaken and made helluva expression being the mvp of vct pacific. Mans got great potential especially with prx with the aggressive plays
I don't think he is there yet, but Crashies has always been consistent and seems to get better with every international appearance. His individual impact in man disadvantaged scenarios is crazy
For me atm Crashies is insanely good at clutches and impact however outside of that he does fall short sometimes and goes missing, Leo in FNC is what crashies potentially can be a clutch initiator player that can also frag.
What I actually think is how FNS was able to utilize the playstyle of yay which no one can do........but yay will always be the Best valorant pro according to me.
The yay disrespect lately is insane. Every team had the same meta to play with and none came to close as yay chamber and ppl love ignoring how insane yay was in Jett also. He has on off year but his ceiling is insane
fr. they say he fell off bc of chamber. During chamber meta, other teams had the same opportunity but none came close. I feel like C9 fked up his career. Why get him if they cant afford him? broke ass team
But doesnt that strengthen Chronicle and Derke's argument then? For me Chronicle is the GOAT, simply because he's the best flex player ever by a large margin, his util is amazing and he's been pretty consistent since 2021. If Fnatic win Masters or Champs Chronicle becomes the GOAT, if Loud win its Aspas. Also this video has to give a shoutout to Crashies.
I think aspas is by far The most mechanical and skillful player to ever touch this game, and todays performances of him are proving it. I think he yet didnt reach his prime.
definitely not underrated ppl know how insane he is he won’t get talked abt like aspas yay derke cuz he’s not a duelist but u ask anyone top 3 sentinels less will be in everyone single one
Well 4 days into masters tokyo, and I can confidently say zmjjkk is looking like the strongest op player in this tournament. He is an absolute monster with the operator and I personally think his op is perhaps the most flashy we have seen from duelist players, and personally I think he is the W factor of EDG
aspas should be on par with mako with their ability to clutch and consistency, it feels like when aspas is still alive the chance of loud's win is higher. next up in the future is definitely demon1, sayf and something. these guys is something else and ill be there no matter what!
I can't believe Crashies isn't on this list - he's my GOAT so far. Most consistent player in the league, especially considering the roles he plays. Insane, super valuable clutches, and always keeping his cool while chewing his piece of gum and fragging.
Crashies just feels like watered down version of Chronicle. Similar roles and agents but Chronicle has done more and achieved greater feats. This could change though if Crashies helps NRG win a trophy with MVP performance. His Sheriff plays on Icebox are some of my favourite.
@@Sho-is5vu id disagree. Crashies has a way wider role ability while also having more consistency over the bast few years. Chronicle has 2 trophys yes, but what about all the other events. Crashies has been too 3 finals and a lower bracket 3rd place. Outside of 2021 crashies has been more consistent then almost anyone ever (the whole envy/optic roster). Even wen yay had is high peaks of 2022 crashies was right behind him the whole year and arguably was more impactful the year earlier.
@@itsnotcolby u said it urself chronicle has 2 trophies, crashies has 0, its still 2 more and lets not kid ourselves, crashies is very good but he isnt as good as chronicle, not even close as consistent and clutch
Most players on GOAT lists are flashy, individual players, Crashies is able to do that, but his value really comes in his understanding of how to set up any duelist he is playing with. Its also very hard to fully shine when he is always on a team stocked full of talent, NRG with FNS, Ardiss, Victor, s0m and of course optic with Yay, FNS and Victor again and Marved. edit: similar to what he said about yay's performance in optic, he had amazing iniators to set him up, crashies one of them
Craziest part is that Chronicle have only ever been to 4 international tournaments and he reached the grand finals for all 4 of the tournaments, and winning 3 of the 4 he played.
Even Derke said in Vct Emea finals that he doesn’t know what to do when playing against Nats Cypher, because he changed his setup every time. Truly a goat that made the biggest impact possible on the game imo
For me it'll always be Tenz and yay Watching them(live) in their prime is a feeling i can't forget Those insane moments of chamber with yay and of Jett with tenz were beyond wild
It gotta to be aspas, his movement with jett, raze and neon combined with his tactical intelligence where everything feels on porpouse makes him the very best
@@jagason7494 you are assuming right? Please compare derke aspas kill for each tournament. Aspas win champions, american league. And second place in master ryjavik and lock in. I'm not aspas fan, but that's the truth bro. Derke absolutely top 3
@@tokosuburselalu8689 Aspas was still taking his first steps in the BR scene, under SLICK, when Derke was getting second in Masters Reykjavík against Sentinels. For now it's Derke, but time will tell i guess.
@@jagason7494 The reason they winned sao paulo was because of them avoiding aspas most of the time, when there was plenty of times when they hitted A despite being defended by 3 players. im not downplaying derke, but if you prefer to hit a 3 man defended site rather than contest aspas, you know hes one of the best.
nAts was my inspiration when I found out about his agent and I got inspired to play cypher a lot because it fits my play style a lot. And I finally use viper as a back up for smokes as well. nAts inspired me to play since I picked up valorant towards the end of Champions 2022.
was so glad when you mentioned derke towards the end and then that he won! been watching his gameplay recently and how insane he was in lock in. great video
why is nobody talking about f0rsaken? He is an amazing player and he can play literaly any agent at a super high level. He is just overlooked for never winning a trophy but he might be better then jinggg. He is undoubtatly the best flex player, amazing in clutches. Hope he wins a trophy soon so that more people know about his skill and more peaople see him as one of the best players.
Chronicle couldve been way higher too if it wasn't for the russian-ukraine war as well, It's either between chronicle, yay(could switch out with derke), or aspas in my opinion.
Yay is still my goat, his performance on DSG is due to the fact that he was not given proper support for him to pop off. Forced to dry swing a lot and 1v2 angles often
People underestimate and forget f0rsaken He plays all roles and even igl and give calls mid round Bro went from one of the best jett to one of the best flex and also igl He is most versatile player in valorant But sadly he didnt win champions 2023
It’s a really difficult question (to nor say impossible) to say who is the best player in valorant history, but if I have to choose one would be probably Less, he’s probably not talked about that much because of Aspas performance on the team, but he is INSANE and so constant and his aim is enviable for real.
You make some of the best valorant content i've ever seen, consistently high quality videos and you do your research. Keep it going man. Love your videos.
a small correction - chronicle wasn’t berlin mvp over nats. he was the finals mvp but the mvp for his performance throughout was nats. yay might have outperformed nats’ stats but nats’ impact and competitive numbers to yay’z as sentinels/controllers outside of raw stats made him the right choice.
derke was there when tenz was the hyped player in 2021 derke was there when yay was the hyped player in 2022 and derke is still here when aspas is the hyped player in 2023 you factually cant argue with this, my goat #DERKELELE
Tenz was better than Derke in 2021, Yay was better than Derke in 2022, it’s hard to craft an argument who up till now hasn’t even been the best player in his role at any point in his career or at an international level (up till now). Might be the best in the world rn so we’ll see at Masters.
@@gama3325 lmfao shut up. Derke was 2nd behind tenz at Iceland by acs while he played 150 rounds more, that is almost twice the rounds mor than tenz. And when tenz ghosted international scene ever after that single Iceland tournament derke was #1 overall in acs in champs 2021. Tenz was deep into his sleep by then. Sure derke wasn't at the level of yay, but he was right behind him mostly. And derke has been the #1 player itw along with aspas. What even is your point. My point still remains factual. Being atleast top 2 for 3 years is more than enough proof
I really like how Shaos Clutched sre highlighted. Ever since Ive seen him I think, hes the clutch god. Yes, Hiko is great at Clutches but when Shao was in 1 v 2 or 1v3 I never thought, the round was over. He deserves more recognition for his abilities in unfavorable positions.
Not really, bros been a top duelist and player every year, his impact entering is unmatched, ACS through the roof, and his performance never diminishing regardless of the players he is playing with, unlike yay
He has to keep his head up, I believe in him, his igl was probably really bad and he has to be set up by everyone else if he wants to be the “el Diablo” everyone wants so I won’t really blame him too much. The hate he got made me so sad for him. maybe tier 2 was not motivating enough or he wasn’t connecting with his team in DSG enough, but he shouldn’t keep his head down like this, rise up king I believe in you 👑
Aspas never missplay. Every move with jett and raze is ACCURATE. Each utility use is perfect for that situation. I think Derke is good, but he needs a lot more preparation from his team. Aspas can literally anchor a site with jett. No other player can do this. But, this is his momment. In the future, we can say that he is the best player of all time.
I definitely think there are some upcoming players that could potentially make their way into the conversation if they continue to improve off of the things we've already seen from them. Something, Demon1, etc. Also I feel like FNS should have at least been mentioned, he may not be the most gifted pro-player but he has one of the greatest minds for the game we've ever seen
damn there are so many good arguments for every single one of these players, you honestly could've revealed anyone at the end and i would've nodded along.
If it's PRIME, I have to give it to Yay. Derke has been overall more consistent than Yay but since the criteria is PRIME, it has to be Yay for his impact.
@@pirolovini I mean yay literally top fragged the Grand Final. yay also had Aspas in first kills and op kills. The only player that got the better of yay in that series was Sacy and he was getting the better of EVERYONE. yay also beat Aspas in all of those categories except first kill head to head in the Upper Final as well despite OpTic losing in 2 maps.
It is really hard to tell who the best agent is, but I think its possible to determine the best specific talents Aim in general: yay Aim PLUS utility usage: suygetsu Best utility user: nAts best overall duelist: aspas best IGL: FNS This is obv my opinion, but it seems MUCH easier to determine who is the strongest at one singular thing then overall strength. For me, I would have to say nAts is the best player ever, but that is up for debate.
@@oStraw tenz aim consists of him flying his mouse all over the place. Aim is a mix of flicks, crosshair placement, and timing. Tenz does not have that
@@bentenmenyen so flicks to you is flying your mouse all over the place? By saying this your acting like tenz aim is inaccurate, which is false as hes set multiple records on aim training maps, and hes been known as the best aimer in the game since day 1. If you think yay can aim better than Tenz idk what to tell you.
Prime is Tenz consistency is yay. Derkes although not his fault hasn’t had much consistency due to unfortunate covid issues and visa issues from his team
@@kungfukenny9300 I dont think you quite understand the definition of prime..... Prime is dominance in the event. And yes he was very dominant in that "one lan event". Go back to school and learn what prime means cause that "one Lan event" is the only thing that matters
@@botlyfe7303 Prime is defined as 'a state or time of greatest strength, vigor, or success in a person's life' it has no reference to the competition at the time, is tenz a better player than he was in 2021? definitely its just the field is much better, thus 2021 is not prime tenz. The only argument for tenz is relative to competition dominance but that isnt wat prime means.
Mako seems to me the most important player in the list. The stats he put as a controller player and locking down sites you can argue that his plays are straight up round winning.
i think yay should have won that because not only was his prime one of the longest that you listet but also because he is the only one of them to win the Esports Athlete of the Year Award that obviously includes all sorts of esports, which means that he topped every other esports athlete while in his prime.Its just as simple as that.
Honestly I am surprised to not see Crashies here on this list, like hes one of the most consistent players in Americas as of right now, although I will have to say Chronicle and Derke are some of the best players right now, especially Chronicle like the guy performs brilliantly even when under huge pressure
I value long term consistency alot when it comes to goat discussions so it has to be derke for me. He’s been a top player since the first international tournament in the game. A few months ago it would have been yay, but its sad seeing him drop off. I think he can bounce back but we’ll see.
This feels like mean disrespectful clickbait when yay has openly talked about being depressed and at his lowest point .usually like your videos but I’ve unsubscribed
Can't belive yay is even in the discussion for goat. He does not have a spot in a t1 team and he underperformed bad in t2. Good jett player, really really good Chamber when he was fucking broken but as a duelist all around i can think of At least 5 player that i would rather have on my team
hard choice but out of the ones listed here my personal top 3 are: 1. derke 2. nats 3. suygetsu pre 2023 liquid players try to win international tournament challenge (impossible)
Mako is the undisputed goat of pacific for sure. His consistency is insane. Imo, jinggg on any agent other than raze isn't good enough to warrant him top spot because raze isn't an agent you pick on all maps. For players currently in the pacific region that could become great players in the future, foxy9 looks like he has the potential. Still feels a bit raw and has some work to do though. Same with something. But i do say something is better right now. Catching mako won't be easy for now but i say that one of foxy9 or something may overtake mako within the next 2 years, or maybe even next year.
The best as of now is less or chronicle, their impact is just unmatched, they are the mid and late round goats, if they are alive the game is never over.
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Sorry for no music today, wanted to get the video out before Masters!
Aspas or Derke
I think you should allow only one entry to the form, as one person could spam their response and mess up the data.
It’s got to be yay for me. His year of dominance was insane. If only he was doing better on DSG I feel it would be undisputed
If you meant music in the video, I actually like it without any music. Others may disagree.
@@castro4694 Champions = every other master event with a new lick of paint, subjective, farming brazil where there is no depth, we counting domestic finals?, this doesn't mean anything lol fnatic were saving strats
Mako is actually insane bro whenever I'm rooting for a team that plays against DRX and MaKo is in a position to clutch I wanna close my eyes and pray
fr you can't count DRX out of a round if MaKo is alive.
I love mako
@@adreeeel to bad they lost lmao
something the goat coming soon
I think so, too. Mako's play is God's level
For me it's Chronicle. Especially now after Masters Tokyo. This man is unstoppable, even it he isn't as popular as yay or tenz, I still think he's the goat.
While I do agree I honestly think alpha is better, and easily the best player in the world, the dude is an absolute rock and the most pesky sentenel there is, the guy just absolutely shit on everyone in tokyo
@novalia1534 i kindly disagree in overall terms but for tokyo alfa was actually disgusting overall chronicle has more credentials :)
same he is the only player to have a treble of international trophy plus his clutch and consistency throughout valorant brief history, he played in 2 different teams and managed to win in both
@@novalia1534Derke is obvious goat lmao
The fact that Chronicle can play 3 different agent roles so consistently makes him the GOAT for me
Edit : Especially in the Grand Finals against LOUD, he played different agents in all the maps
man’s always working hard to provide quality content, respect o77
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@@VIJITO1 o7 looks like a salute but i added another 7 for emphasis :]]
@Yb rider damn appreciation nowadays is glazing huh
Thanks for getting me involved with this, was fun! ❤
you should have voted for boaester tbh
Thank you so much for contributing! ❤️
@@notm4nu_675 mate i am happy that she aint baised
@@Shashank_sinha1211 to give some credit to boaster, he is not amongst the best valorant players ever, but he is up there as one of the best IGLs
@@notm4nu_675 totally agreed mate🫂
I don't think Derke even hit his prime yet but if he's already on the list just by being consistent then he'll be a monster once Prime Derke wakes up.
Dudes already killing it. His jett knives are the smoothest i have seen in vct
Tbh the whole fnc is just made out of best players who are getting better even boaster is. But TL is better (probably not but im bias)
This is the best Fnatic has ever been so this is prime Derke for sure.
@@kungfukenny9300 It's not just cuz they have 3 players who are best in their role if not all 5. derka is not like sayf to where the team is relaying on derke to perform. the reson fnc is the best cuz they are the only team that is a superteam
@@vuga825 i mean i felt like because of overwhelming pressure after not losing any games since lock-in causes them to lose that as well i don't know if i'm being bias but that's just my opinion. like speically when chronicle and leo starts to gets kill they just don't stop and literally starts smurfing. but they chocked badly only alfa played good
I think it's great that you got casters to say their opinions!
@@castro4694 even though i agree with u, u are doing jumping jacks on it lil bro, please stop.
@@castro4694 umm the current fnatic roster lost for the first time against TL in the EMEA Finals, so Derke does have the win rate thing, but all of the others are good :)
@@castro4694 prime yay >
@@castro4694 This aged terribly, Loud lost all 4 maps and won none, they got eliminated right away, Aspas did terrible and Fnatic won, Lol
@@castro4694keep crying bro, Huge LLL for you
for me, nats will always be the greatest player. maybe not based on statistics or achievement, but i truly believe he defined the lurking role we see today. he absolutely shifted the game and prime nats back in 2021 berlin is something we just keep referencing over and over again.
I love seeing nats play, it is just so frustrating seeing him outplay his opponents all the time
His impact on the lurk role was like Getrights impact in csgo
PRX something and EG Demon1 have a chance to make their way into these videos for masters tokyo. both have performed outrageously well in their regions and have crazy high potential
You read my mind
I thought bringing something in to the mix wont make much of a difference but i was very much mistaken and made helluva expression being the mvp of vct pacific. Mans got great potential especially with prx with the aggressive plays
hopefully something gets his visa
i thought demon1 is not going to tokyo
@@Mohamad-p9w he got his visa, he’s going to Tokyo
I don't think he is there yet, but Crashies has always been consistent and seems to get better with every international appearance. His individual impact in man disadvantaged scenarios is crazy
For me atm Crashies is insanely good at clutches and impact however outside of that he does fall short sometimes and goes missing, Leo in FNC is what crashies potentially can be a clutch initiator player that can also frag.
imo crashies is top5. he is always there and hes nowhere near his prime yet
What I actually think is how FNS was able to utilize the playstyle of yay which no one can do........but yay will always be the Best valorant pro according to me.
i feel bad for yay like rn he's having a hard time rn
yea hes been getting clickbaited everywhere, feels bad
You can't be the best if you're alone what are you talking about
Excuses
I don’t feel bad for him… if he wanted to win he would’ve took a pay cut and stick with OpTic core and sign with NRG… $$$$ is his downfall
@@aryanwaranashiwar3303 no overpowered chamber = no yay
The yay disrespect lately is insane. Every team had the same meta to play with and none came to close as yay chamber and ppl love ignoring how insane yay was in Jett also. He has on off year but his ceiling is insane
I voted yay 1st o-o
fr. they say he fell off bc of chamber. During chamber meta, other teams had the same opportunity but none came close. I feel like C9 fked up his career. Why get him if they cant afford him? broke ass team
Fr. Ppl only see the mistakes and faults. They are blind af when it comes to talk about impacts or insane plays
But doesnt that strengthen Chronicle and Derke's argument then? For me Chronicle is the GOAT, simply because he's the best flex player ever by a large margin, his util is amazing and he's been pretty consistent since 2021. If Fnatic win Masters or Champs Chronicle becomes the GOAT, if Loud win its Aspas. Also this video has to give a shoutout to Crashies.
goat chamber? yes. goat player? no. Top 3 duelist all time? yes
For me is Chronicle so far . 4 times went to finalist and won 3 times in Master / Champions/ Lockin . He did his job very well in all role
he is literally and statistically the best player, not all these frauds like semen1, Asspass, tenz and y0y
I think aspas is by far The most mechanical and skillful player to ever touch this game, and todays performances of him are proving it. I think he yet didnt reach his prime.
yeah peoples opinions have changed a LOT since then lol. Poor yay.
I think igls should have a separate video, their impact isn't very obvious in stats but they make everyone strong in strats and in morale
Less is so underrated, and as good as aspas is, Less is the main reason why LOUD is unstoppable
definitely not underrated ppl know how insane he is he won’t get talked abt like aspas yay derke cuz he’s not a duelist but u ask anyone top 3 sentinels less will be in everyone single one
Unstoppable lul.
This aged like fine milk
Well 4 days into masters tokyo, and I can confidently say zmjjkk is looking like the strongest op player in this tournament. He is an absolute monster with the operator and I personally think his op is perhaps the most flashy we have seen from duelist players, and personally I think he is the W factor of EDG
every single lan that derke has been to his rating was like at least top 5, even if the team choked he was constatnly insane def number 1
Not putting forsaken in the list is a crime man can play any agent with so ease that it is none other than perfection
putting jingg over forsaken should be considered as crime man
aspas should be on par with mako with their ability to clutch and consistency, it feels like when aspas is still alive the chance of loud's win is higher. next up in the future is definitely demon1, sayf and something. these guys is something else and ill be there no matter what!
I can't believe Crashies isn't on this list - he's my GOAT so far. Most consistent player in the league, especially considering the roles he plays. Insane, super valuable clutches, and always keeping his cool while chewing his piece of gum and fragging.
Crashies just feels like watered down version of Chronicle. Similar roles and agents but Chronicle has done more and achieved greater feats.
This could change though if Crashies helps NRG win a trophy with MVP performance. His Sheriff plays on Icebox are some of my favourite.
I think less is better than him by far
@@Sho-is5vu id disagree. Crashies has a way wider role ability while also having more consistency over the bast few years. Chronicle has 2 trophys yes, but what about all the other events. Crashies has been too 3 finals and a lower bracket 3rd place. Outside of 2021 crashies has been more consistent then almost anyone ever (the whole envy/optic roster). Even wen yay had is high peaks of 2022 crashies was right behind him the whole year and arguably was more impactful the year earlier.
@@itsnotcolby u said it urself chronicle has 2 trophies, crashies has 0, its still 2 more and lets not kid ourselves, crashies is very good but he isnt as good as chronicle, not even close as consistent and clutch
Most players on GOAT lists are flashy, individual players, Crashies is able to do that, but his value really comes in his understanding of how to set up any duelist he is playing with. Its also very hard to fully shine when he is always on a team stocked full of talent, NRG with FNS, Ardiss, Victor, s0m and of course optic with Yay, FNS and Victor again and Marved.
edit: similar to what he said about yay's performance in optic, he had amazing iniators to set him up, crashies one of them
Less is actually insane, i love his playstyle plus he igl sometimes, hes definitelly my goat
Craziest part is that Chronicle have only ever been to 4 international tournaments and he reached the grand finals for all 4 of the tournaments, and winning 3 of the 4 he played.
yes he has a good team
Watching Tenz at Iceland was the most insane player I have ever seen to this day
My bro stopped in 2020 tenz was good but we already saw better players
nope no ones surpassing his stats soon he won the masters again
@@Lcsop
@@mamaimacrimidal7005 ???? Wydm, the MVP of this Masters was Zekken
Even Derke said in Vct Emea finals that he doesn’t know what to do when playing against Nats Cypher, because he changed his setup every time. Truly a goat that made the biggest impact possible on the game imo
Mine is probably f0rsaken. He wasn’t named in this video but he has been incredible. He can play any role and his agent pool is an ocean.
Derke is playing mostly first contact and still can deliver high performances. He is my goat!
For me, Derke would be the best. Aggressive, decisive, precise and more importantly he can be a game maker.
Hes so fucking ridiculous when he’s on
bro you r a gift for the valorant community ...wishing u nothing but the best
the title should be "Whose the best Valorant PRO player ever" cuz u are counting out those who are not playing pro
Yay will always be my GOAT. He and the Optic boys got me to love the game and I'll never forget that. Dude can be playing in T3 and I'll watch.
3x1 2022
Optic only won because gambit and fpx was forced to not play
for me its prime nats , that guy had a upper hand in any 1v4,5 situation
For me it'll always be Tenz and yay
Watching them(live) in their prime is a feeling i can't forget
Those insane moments of chamber with yay and of Jett with tenz were beyond wild
Frrrr
how did you watch tenz live in in his prime if there was no crowd in 2021?
@@essschesss6471 online 😭how else tf
@@erenyeager007 oh lmao, people don't call that watching a game live, you made it sound like it was impressive
just watch more lil bro
Coming back to this during Masters Tokyo and Kang Kang is gonna be added to that list
It gotta to be aspas, his movement with jett, raze and neon combined with his tactical intelligence where everything feels on porpouse makes him the very best
+ what he achieves in this game
derke better tbh and is more consistent
@@jagason7494 you are assuming right? Please compare derke aspas kill for each tournament. Aspas win champions, american league. And second place in master ryjavik and lock in. I'm not aspas fan, but that's the truth bro. Derke absolutely top 3
@@tokosuburselalu8689 Aspas was still taking his first steps in the BR scene, under SLICK, when Derke was getting second in Masters Reykjavík against Sentinels. For now it's Derke, but time will tell i guess.
@@jagason7494 The reason they winned sao paulo was because of them avoiding aspas most of the time, when there was plenty of times when they hitted A despite being defended by 3 players.
im not downplaying derke, but if you prefer to hit a 3 man defended site rather than contest aspas, you know hes one of the best.
nAts was my inspiration when I found out about his agent and I got inspired to play cypher a lot because it fits my play style a lot. And I finally use viper as a back up for smokes as well. nAts inspired me to play since I picked up valorant towards the end of Champions 2022.
The future:
PRX something
EG Demon1
Liquid Sayf
was so glad when you mentioned derke towards the end and then that he won! been watching his gameplay recently and how insane he was in lock in. great video
why is nobody talking about f0rsaken? He is an amazing player and he can play literaly any agent at a super high level. He is just overlooked for never winning a trophy but he might be better then jinggg. He is undoubtatly the best flex player, amazing in clutches. Hope he wins a trophy soon so that more people know about his skill and more peaople see him as one of the best players.
Chronicle couldve been way higher too if it wasn't for the russian-ukraine war as well, It's either between chronicle, yay(could switch out with derke), or aspas in my opinion.
Nats?
i was looking for the first chronicle comment. easily been top 3 since gambits 2021 run and looking like the best player on the best franchised team
"If Loud wins Tokyo..." that just killed me after knowing they didn't even win a map xD
Yay is still my goat, his performance on DSG is due to the fact that he was not given proper support for him to pop off. Forced to dry swing a lot and 1v2 angles often
Underrated youtuber, by the end of 2023 You will have 100k, keep it up man!
The truth is that we have no GOAT yet. The game is still in a early stage. Tokyo will define a lot
There has already been masters and champions. This one wont define anything
People underestimate and forget f0rsaken
He plays all roles and even igl and give calls mid round
Bro went from one of the best jett to one of the best flex and also igl
He is most versatile player in valorant
But sadly he didnt win champions 2023
It’s a really difficult question (to nor say impossible) to say who is the best player in valorant history, but if I have to choose one would be probably Less, he’s probably not talked about that much because of Aspas performance on the team, but he is INSANE and so constant and his aim is enviable for real.
Why arr u brazilians so biased*
people playing against tenz in his prime is like slapping a wet noddle at a brick wall.
You make some of the best valorant content i've ever seen, consistently high quality videos and you do your research. Keep it going man. Love your videos.
a small correction - chronicle wasn’t berlin mvp over nats. he was the finals mvp but the mvp for his performance throughout was nats. yay might have outperformed nats’ stats but nats’ impact and competitive numbers to yay’z as sentinels/controllers outside of raw stats made him the right choice.
derke was there when tenz was the hyped player in 2021
derke was there when yay was the hyped player in 2022
and
derke is still here when aspas is the hyped player in 2023
you factually cant argue with this, my goat
#DERKELELE
Tenz was better than Derke in 2021, Yay was better than Derke in 2022, it’s hard to craft an argument who up till now hasn’t even been the best player in his role at any point in his career or at an international level (up till now). Might be the best in the world rn so we’ll see at Masters.
@@gama3325 lmfao shut up. Derke was 2nd behind tenz at Iceland by acs while he played 150 rounds more, that is almost twice the rounds mor than tenz. And when tenz ghosted international scene ever after that single Iceland tournament derke was #1 overall in acs in champs 2021. Tenz was deep into his sleep by then. Sure derke wasn't at the level of yay, but he was right behind him mostly. And derke has been the #1 player itw along with aspas. What even is your point. My point still remains factual. Being atleast top 2 for 3 years is more than enough proof
@@castro4694 o Aspas já nao perdeu mais de um final?
ou é 7 vitórias / 6 derrotas?
@@0nelao996 6 finais de 7 torneios.
I really like how Shaos Clutched sre highlighted. Ever since Ive seen him I think, hes the clutch god. Yes, Hiko is great at Clutches but when Shao was in 1 v 2 or 1v3 I never thought, the round was over. He deserves more recognition for his abilities in unfavorable positions.
I think it’s crazy to have derke above either Yay or Chronicle at this point
Not really, bros been a top duelist and player every year, his impact entering is unmatched, ACS through the roof, and his performance never diminishing regardless of the players he is playing with, unlike yay
derke is way better than chronicle.
for me 1. derke. 2. chrinicle. 3. alfajer. 4. leo. 5. boaster (im totally not biased)
This video aged well for the goated chronicle
He has to keep his head up, I believe in him, his igl was probably really bad and he has to be set up by everyone else if he wants to be the “el Diablo” everyone wants so I won’t really blame him too much. The hate he got made me so sad for him. maybe tier 2 was not motivating enough or he wasn’t connecting with his team in DSG enough, but he shouldn’t keep his head down like this, rise up king I believe in you 👑
Derke getting the recognition he DESERVES. Since the start he has never been baad and that's crazy
Chronicle now hv 3 trophy strike 9:42 win
chronicle has just won his 3rd trophy, and it feels like he's only just getting started. I think that he is the GOAT of valorant.
Aspas never missplay. Every move with jett and raze is ACCURATE. Each utility use is perfect for that situation. I think Derke is good, but he needs a lot more preparation from his team. Aspas can literally anchor a site with jett. No other player can do this. But, this is his momment. In the future, we can say that he is the best player of all time.
Shao and chronicle have got to be the ‘perfect player’ they can play everything at extremely high levels
I definitely think there are some upcoming players that could potentially make their way into the conversation if they continue to improve off of the things we've already seen from them. Something, Demon1, etc. Also I feel like FNS should have at least been mentioned, he may not be the most gifted pro-player but he has one of the greatest minds for the game we've ever seen
Why does nobody talk about Chronicle? Won 2 internationals, has great eyetest with mechanics and is the flex with playing everything.
Love your vids, good editing and great insight!
damn there are so many good arguments for every single one of these players, you honestly could've revealed anyone at the end and i would've nodded along.
Its chronicle,
I think Keznit would apper here, his impact on the team is very much, when he is, the team is some completly different that when he isn't
If it's PRIME, I have to give it to Yay. Derke has been overall more consistent than Yay but since the criteria is PRIME, it has to be Yay for his impact.
Idk...Aspas went crazy against Yay in champions 2022 (Yay prime)
@@pirolovini top 3 players are yay, aspas, and derke in no particular order imo
@@pirolovini I mean yay literally top fragged the Grand Final. yay also had Aspas in first kills and op kills. The only player that got the better of yay in that series was Sacy and he was getting the better of EVERYONE. yay also beat Aspas in all of those categories except first kill head to head in the Upper Final as well despite OpTic losing in 2 maps.
@@pirolovini FNS having his worst performance against loud clearly doesn’t help dude was a liability at times
prime y0y is just chamber abuser, where is he now huh? lmaooooo
Kang Kang gonna sweep Masters Tokyo and be the new Goat
Ardiis... I dont know why he was not on this tierlist? As he performed amazingly in 2022 and so far in 2023 he has showed great value to NRG.
Based.
cause there are better players lol
i think hes not consistent enough
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@@enkels8330 kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
i like how the clip of jingg tbaging is the signature of him 😂
It is really hard to tell who the best agent is, but I think its possible to determine the best specific talents
Aim in general: yay
Aim PLUS utility usage: suygetsu
Best utility user: nAts
best overall duelist: aspas
best IGL: FNS
This is obv my opinion, but it seems MUCH easier to determine who is the strongest at one singular thing then overall strength. For me, I would have to say nAts is the best player ever, but that is up for debate.
best positioning: nats
Derke
aim in general is tenz. Yay's saving grace is his crosshair placement
@@oStraw tenz aim consists of him flying his mouse all over the place. Aim is a mix of flicks, crosshair placement, and timing. Tenz does not have that
@@bentenmenyen so flicks to you is flying your mouse all over the place? By saying this your acting like tenz aim is inaccurate, which is false as hes set multiple records on aim training maps, and hes been known as the best aimer in the game since day 1. If you think yay can aim better than Tenz idk what to tell you.
Prime is YAY, Consistency is Derke and Chronicle
Prime is Tenz consistency is yay. Derkes although not his fault hasn’t had much consistency due to unfortunate covid issues and visa issues from his team
@@botlyfe7303 disagree. What was prime tenz. One Lan event? When Valorant was a year old. 7th place is good for him.
@@kungfukenny9300 I dont think you quite understand the definition of prime..... Prime is dominance in the event. And yes he was very dominant in that "one lan event". Go back to school and learn what prime means cause that "one Lan event" is the only thing that matters
@@kungfukenny9300 you're not smart
@@botlyfe7303 Prime is defined as 'a state or time of greatest strength, vigor, or success in a person's life' it has no reference to the competition at the time, is tenz a better player than he was in 2021? definitely its just the field is much better, thus 2021 is not prime tenz. The only argument for tenz is relative to competition dominance but that isnt wat prime means.
Mako seems to me the most important player in the list. The stats he put as a controller player and locking down sites you can argue that his plays are straight up round winning.
Just come to Loud and we will see him at full potential.
Mako has to be the best controller
i think yay should have won that because not only was his prime one of the longest that you listet but also because he is the only one of them to win the Esports Athlete of the Year Award that obviously includes all sorts of esports, which means that he topped every other esports athlete while in his prime.Its just as simple as that.
Aspas is the goat imo. He's just soo consistent and incredible. Hitting those insane shots.
Crazy to think that unknown players that are grinding rn will surpass these current players in a year or two.
prxvSomething is insane tho
Demon1 to both are insane player
cant talk abou players only playing for less than 6 months bro maybe in the future tho ofc
Honestly I am surprised to not see Crashies here on this list, like hes one of the most consistent players in Americas as of right now, although I will have to say Chronicle and Derke are some of the best players right now, especially Chronicle like the guy performs brilliantly even when under huge pressure
Im here for KANGKANG.. ❤who’s with me?
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Banger video mate, thanks for including me! :))
me i am the best player
idk u but vouch
This video is insane and is so in-depth. Hella props this video is amazing.
aspas is the goat
kangkang's looking pretty good these days
Tariks the goat
I value long term consistency alot when it comes to goat discussions so it has to be derke for me. He’s been a top player since the first international tournament in the game. A few months ago it would have been yay, but its sad seeing him drop off. I think he can bounce back but we’ll see.
This feels like mean disrespectful clickbait when yay has openly talked about being depressed and at his lowest point .usually like your videos but I’ve unsubscribed
what does that have to do with anything
Can't belive yay is even in the discussion for goat. He does not have a spot in a t1 team and he underperformed bad in t2. Good jett player, really really good Chamber when he was fucking broken but as a duelist all around i can think of At least 5 player that i would rather have on my team
ur just a biased yay hater clearly
Big fan of the players on G2 Gozen, a championship winning team that sadly gets little recognition in the general valorant space.
Cuz they still lose to tier 3 male teams
@@Fleischgewordener_Sterbehelferthey're champions in their own category mate
If Fnatic go on to actually win Tokyo, I think the Goat debate becomes clear that it has to be a Fnatic player. Either Derke, Leo or Chronicle.
DRX buzz no cap
It's gotta be one of the LOUD, FNC, FPX/NAVI, or DRX guys. I'd say aspas but take your pick.
Yo calm down it’s just my opinion
i hate how the editing made me expect boaster was going to be on the list xD keep up the good content!
hard choice but out of the ones listed here my personal top 3 are:
1. derke
2. nats
3. suygetsu
pre 2023 liquid players try to win international tournament challenge (impossible)
bro really thought he could make a "best valorant player ever" list in 2023 without the GOAT and we wouldnt notice???? the GOAT BabyJ
Chronicle won 3 world champs now! He’s a versatile and consistent player
Mako is the undisputed goat of pacific for sure. His consistency is insane. Imo, jinggg on any agent other than raze isn't good enough to warrant him top spot because raze isn't an agent you pick on all maps. For players currently in the pacific region that could become great players in the future, foxy9 looks like he has the potential. Still feels a bit raw and has some work to do though. Same with something. But i do say something is better right now. Catching mako won't be easy for now but i say that one of foxy9 or something may overtake mako within the next 2 years, or maybe even next year.
The best as of now is less or chronicle, their impact is just unmatched, they are the mid and late round goats, if they are alive the game is never over.
Would love to see this type of video again but with underdogs. What team or player is considered the best underdogs and why.