That's great Ralph,and really good quality video. You have the right idea about a motor with high torque,you can press down and get a graver ready quickly. Whats funny,is i have quite a few of the parts,that I got for other projects,but never used. I'm sure if you bought a slightly more expensive digital box thing it would work quicker,but in a few months you might get over the fine tuning desire:)
Thanks mate, I can see why you prefer templates, if you resharpen only it's faster. But it's one template per geometry and if I buy a few of them I will spend more than what the whole machine did cost me. Maybe I make some myself later on. At the moment I am still experimenting with all the different graver geometries to see what they can do and what I like best. I am also still frequently breaking the tips of my carbide gravers, mostly due to inexperience I guess, and reshaping on the machine is faster than by hand. Might also be because I mostly do steel and titanium which is less forgiving than copper...
I found if I resharpen under the scope by hand,with about a 2000 grit stone on a carbide graver,it makes the angles slightly rounded,and have had no trouble,engraving a stainless steel watch. Try to copy the angle you already have,and it will be slightly rounded.You can also polish the point with 1 micron diamond paste on some leather. Your going through the same process i did when i started,looking for the magic geometry. If you get the chance,can you do a video on your hand-piece. I know that would get a ton of views,and followers. I've pointed quite a few people to your channel.
Once you find a specific setting on eithe axis, say 40 DSEG, could you scribe that location to return later. Perhaps add a circular component on each axis with a permenant pointer on the linear bearing.
Hello greygleam, I would know about the motor, I checked your link but the motor is from german & I read they can't shipping it in France. I tried to check on several website but there are so many & I don't know which one to buy. Do you have any link of motor where I can buy one, with almost same characteristics of you motor?
Hi Ralph thanks for the great well explained video. I will look to build one for me as well, if is possible could you list please the wood plates Dimension you use, because the Maschine has to be even as possible, and I do not have a good wood saw for perfect fittings. I will let cut those on a hardware store for me. Danke schön und Lg. Aus Wien :)
Greygleam Hallo Ralph, i bought the Motor you list on Tim list from eBay. Thank you for the dimensions of the wood plates. Soon as I finished my I will tell you. Thank you as well for the great video explanation.
Hi Ralph Thanks very much for your Video, it's very cool. Did you manage to find a " instant " Digital angle finder ? Also on looking at your materials list you've shown a link to a 24 v windscreen wiper motor, when I went to view the (www) I could see that it had 2 wires (red&black). which indicated to me that it rotated in 1 directional only. When I then looked and further scrutinised your video, I saw too that your motor appears to have 2 wires. I did though see you start your wwm, firstly in 1 direction, then stop it and reverse the rotation. Could you please clarify the situation for me in this regard. Regards Bob.
dc motor can easily be reversed by changing polarity.A six poleDPST switch wired correctly is all you need. google "dc motor reverse switch" for schematic pics.
This is wonderful thank you! Do you happen to have any links to the parts you used to make the hone? Or if you could list the parts that would help! I know you list them but I am not sure exactly what all these parts are...noobie haha.. Thank you :)
Hi Brandon, the most important part is the motor, there are many different windshield wiper motors out there as for specs look for something that puts out 180-240rpm and a constant torque of 5Nm(initial torque can be up to 30nM on these motors but since no heavy load this not critical, but output of 5Nm constant torque is needed) other than that i used 2x heavy duty flanged bearing for 12mm shaft 1x flexible shaft coupling 8mm (motor shaft size) to 12mm(drive shaft) 1x 24v, 15ADC power supply(these motor runs at 24V) 1x double pole switch 1x aluminium disk 15cm diam. 10mm thickness for the graver angle jig i used: 1x shaft 16mm diam 25cm long 1x linear bearing (also for 16mm diam to accomodate the shaft) 1x shaft holder (for 16mm) 12x12cm base plate of 8mm steel angle aluminium 8mm thickness 14mm steel tubing and set rings plus a few wood parts and O-ringsfor the graver holder Digital protractor to set the angles A lindsay type graver sharpening template is even easier to make but you will need one for every different graver geometry. As for grinding discs I use the cheap chinese ones without major complaints so far. The quality of the diamonds may not be as high as on the original grs disks - but these are in my country at 215€ (per grit size!) so its a no-brainer for me to use the cheap ones (3-5€ per grit size) So for the price of one original disk I can get 57 of the chinese ones - and even if these are not as good I rather doubt they are 57 times worse.... I get these off ebay or banggood. eu.banggood.com/Wholesale-Warehouse-3pcs-6-Inch-120-400-1200-Grit-Diamond-Wheel-Diamond-Coated-Diamond-Grinding-Disc-wp-Eu-1071495.html eu.banggood.com/Wholesale-Warehouse-3pcs-6-Inch-240-600-3000-Grit-Diamond-Wheel-Diamond-Coated-Diamond-Grinding-Disc-wp-Eu-1071497.html
Thank you so much! I have the Lyndsay engraver right now and should be getting my scope in today, no more head magnification! Haha This is one of the last pieces I need is the hone but $500?! And I love making, or attempting to make my own equiptment if possible. This was the nicest diy I have seen so far, very nice work thank you so much for the information :)
Scope will make a huge difference even the cheap amscope clone I am using now is better than optivisor - whish I could afford a Leica A60 or a Zeiss stemi but these are way out of my budget... When changing to scope i quickly found the next item I then needed was a turntable, thats also something easy to make by youself ...
Yes the A60 is a beauty I actually just received mine last night! yes I have some old car parts that are going to make perfect turn tables. Next is a nice vice then a hone and then I will be set!
Greygleam thanks much for the reply! I'm going to order one ASAP. gotta get a windshield wiper motor as well! the gear reduction is what I'm missing in my build
Hi Tim, some of the exact parts I used are now expired ebay auctions but here are some links to similar parts on german ebay. The motor is a little bit faster but thats not a bad thing. If this one were avaliable at the time I built it I would have used it. Some of these parts are also possibly avaliable cheaper elsewhere- i did not search for best deals on everything... Motor www.ebay.de/itm/24V-Gleichstrommotor-Getriebemotor-40W-0-260U-min-Torantrieb-Fenster-Grill-/200517678680?hash=item2eafc8f658:g:8HcAAOxygPtSrep5 Power supply 24V /15A www.ebay.de/itm/DC-12V-24V-5A-8-5A-10A-15A-20A-25A-30A-Trafo-Netzteil-Driver-LED-Streifen-Lampen-/252408420730?var=&hash=item3ac4b6d97a:m:mJ2pI_KlgrtPRHfBzl9JCHw Support disc www.ebay.de/itm/Ronde-aus-Aluminium-plangefrast-AlMg3-Blech-150-x-10-mm-foliert-Aluscheibe-/112088105561?hash=item1a18f8c259:g:QcYAAOSwyDxXgh9k drive shaft (12mm) www.ebay.de/itm/Silberstahl-1-2210-12-mm-x-ca-330-mm-115CrV3-Passung-h9-gegluht-gezogen-pol-/261368143424?hash=item3cdac15e40:m:m2pik4qWbmtkS-rZMpv-X1w UCF flanged bearing (you need 2pc) www.ebay.de/itm/1-Flanschlager-Flanschagereinheit-UCF-201-Durchmesser-12mm-/191893830982?hash=item2cadc37d46:g:5SYAAOSwcLxYE3ka flexible shaft coupling (motor above has 10mm shaft so you need a 10/12 coupling) www.ebay.de/itm/Wellenkupplung-25mm-9NM-Bohrungen-wahlbar-z-B-fur-CNC-Schrittmotoren-etc-/232094454719?var=&hash=item3609e853bf:m:md2W_53XJvOJAG2rSnCjBaA flip switch www.ebay.de/itm/Einbau-Wippenschalter-6-polig-rot-beleuchtete-Wippe-250V-15A-/252405428117?hash=item3ac4892f95:g:7XMAAOSw4GVYNK8e
Greygleam Hi Ralph thank you for the nice tutorial, is really great, and thank you as well for the materials list. Ralph the only thing I can't find because is "out of stock " is the flexible shaft coupling 25mm (10 to 12mm). I just can find 30mm external diameter, will work? Better not? Ralph I hope I am not asking to much could you also please tell us the dimensions of the wood plates. ( because I go to a hardware store and let they completely even cut them for me, I don't have the tools for that in this case it must be perfect for level base etc... I really appreciate your idea and the power hone video. Keep doing.
Hi Ralf, I made my power hone thanks to you, with a slightly modification. I wanna send you photos, please send me your email. Thank you so much again.
You're a legend m8, great work!
That's great Ralph,and really good quality video. You have the right
idea about a motor with high torque,you can press down and get a graver
ready quickly. Whats funny,is i have quite a few of the parts,that I got
for other projects,but never used. I'm sure if you bought a slightly
more expensive digital box thing it would work quicker,but in a few
months you might get over the fine tuning desire:)
Thanks mate, I can see why you prefer templates, if you resharpen only it's faster. But it's one template per geometry and if I buy a few of them I will spend more than what the whole machine did cost me. Maybe I make some myself later on. At the moment I am still experimenting with all the different graver geometries to see what they can do and what I like best. I am also still frequently breaking the tips of my carbide gravers, mostly due to inexperience I guess, and reshaping on the machine is faster than by hand. Might also be because I mostly do steel and titanium which is less forgiving than copper...
I found if I resharpen under the scope by hand,with about a 2000 grit stone on a carbide graver,it makes the angles slightly rounded,and have had no trouble,engraving a stainless steel watch. Try to copy the angle you already have,and it will be slightly rounded.You can also polish the point with 1 micron diamond paste on some leather. Your going through the same process i did when i started,looking for the magic geometry. If you get the chance,can you do a video on your hand-piece. I know that would get a ton of views,and followers. I've pointed quite a few people to your channel.
Very clever, Thank you.
Verry cool idea!
Is the entire drive shaft threaded? Do you have a link for the drive shaft?
Once you find a specific setting on eithe axis, say 40 DSEG, could you scribe that location to return later. Perhaps add a circular component on each axis with a permenant pointer on the linear bearing.
Hello greygleam,
I would know about the motor, I checked your link but the motor is from german & I read they can't shipping it in France.
I tried to check on several website but there are so many & I don't know which one to buy.
Do you have any link of motor where I can buy one, with almost same characteristics of you motor?
You sell?. I want it 😍
Hi Ralph thanks for the great well explained video. I will look to build one for me as well, if is possible could you list please the wood plates Dimension you use, because the Maschine has to be even as possible, and I do not have a good wood saw for perfect fittings. I will let cut those on a hardware store for me.
Danke schön und Lg. Aus Wien :)
the top plate is 20cmx30cm and height is 20cm but height will depend on size/type of the motor you use so everything fits inside.
Greygleam Hallo Ralph, i bought the Motor you list on Tim list from eBay. Thank you for the dimensions of the wood plates. Soon as I finished my I will tell you. Thank you as well for the great video explanation.
Hi Ralph
Thanks very much for your Video, it's very cool. Did you manage to find a " instant " Digital angle finder ? Also on looking at your materials list you've shown a link to a 24 v windscreen wiper motor, when I went to view the (www) I could see that it had 2 wires (red&black). which indicated to me that it rotated in 1 directional only. When I then looked and further scrutinised your video, I saw too that your motor appears to have 2 wires. I did though see you start your wwm, firstly in 1 direction, then stop it and reverse the rotation. Could you please clarify the situation for me in this regard.
Regards Bob.
dc motor can easily be reversed by changing polarity.A six poleDPST switch wired correctly is all you need. google "dc motor reverse switch" for schematic pics.
do you have a list of the parts used for this please? specifically the motor a day power supply?
richwatts1981 look in the comments, I posted some eBay links there.
having trouble with finding a motor bud, have found pretty much everything else.
This is wonderful thank you! Do you happen to have any links to the parts you used to make the hone? Or if you could list the parts that would help! I know you list them but I am not sure exactly what all these parts are...noobie haha..
Thank you :)
Hi Brandon, the most important part is the motor, there are many different windshield wiper motors out there as for specs look for something that puts out 180-240rpm and a constant torque of 5Nm(initial torque can be up to 30nM on these motors but since no heavy load this not critical, but output of 5Nm constant torque is needed)
other than that i used
2x heavy duty flanged bearing for 12mm shaft
1x flexible shaft coupling 8mm (motor shaft size) to 12mm(drive shaft)
1x 24v, 15ADC power supply(these motor runs at 24V)
1x double pole switch
1x aluminium disk 15cm diam. 10mm thickness
for the graver angle jig i used:
1x shaft 16mm diam 25cm long
1x linear bearing (also for 16mm diam to accomodate the shaft)
1x shaft holder (for 16mm)
12x12cm base plate of 8mm steel
angle aluminium 8mm thickness
14mm steel tubing and set rings plus a few wood parts and O-ringsfor the graver holder
Digital protractor to set the angles
A lindsay type graver sharpening template is even easier to make but you will need one for every different graver geometry.
As for grinding discs I use the cheap chinese ones without major complaints so far. The quality of the diamonds may not be as high as on the original grs disks - but these are in my country at 215€ (per grit size!) so its a no-brainer for me to use the cheap ones (3-5€ per grit size) So for the price of one original disk I can get 57 of the chinese ones - and even if these are not as good I rather doubt they are 57 times worse.... I get these off ebay or banggood.
eu.banggood.com/Wholesale-Warehouse-3pcs-6-Inch-120-400-1200-Grit-Diamond-Wheel-Diamond-Coated-Diamond-Grinding-Disc-wp-Eu-1071495.html
eu.banggood.com/Wholesale-Warehouse-3pcs-6-Inch-240-600-3000-Grit-Diamond-Wheel-Diamond-Coated-Diamond-Grinding-Disc-wp-Eu-1071497.html
Thank you so much! I have the Lyndsay engraver right now and should be getting my scope in today, no more head magnification! Haha
This is one of the last pieces I need is the hone but $500?! And I love making, or attempting to make my own equiptment if possible. This was the nicest diy I have seen so far, very nice work thank you so much for the information :)
Scope will make a huge difference even the cheap amscope clone I am using now is better than optivisor - whish I could afford a Leica A60 or a Zeiss stemi but these are way out of my budget... When changing to scope i quickly found the next item I then needed was a turntable, thats also something easy to make by youself ...
Yes the A60 is a beauty I actually just received mine last night! yes I have some old car parts that are going to make perfect turn tables. Next is a nice vice then a hone and then I will be set!
I can't for the life of me find one of these aluminum discs. where were you able to find that!? lol any help would be greatly appreciated! thanks!
Justin Jeffries I got the disc from eBay, there is a link in the comments somewhere, don't know if it's still active though since it's been a while.
Greygleam thanks much for the reply! I'm going to order one ASAP. gotta get a windshield wiper motor as well! the gear reduction is what I'm missing in my build
Hi Ralph, can u send me some links to buy the materials?
That would be great!
Greetings from germany,
Tim
Hi Tim,
some of the exact parts I used are now expired ebay auctions but here are some links to similar parts on german ebay. The motor is a little bit faster but thats not a bad thing. If this one were avaliable at the time I built it I would have used it. Some of these parts are also possibly avaliable cheaper elsewhere- i did not search for best deals on everything...
Motor
www.ebay.de/itm/24V-Gleichstrommotor-Getriebemotor-40W-0-260U-min-Torantrieb-Fenster-Grill-/200517678680?hash=item2eafc8f658:g:8HcAAOxygPtSrep5
Power supply 24V /15A
www.ebay.de/itm/DC-12V-24V-5A-8-5A-10A-15A-20A-25A-30A-Trafo-Netzteil-Driver-LED-Streifen-Lampen-/252408420730?var=&hash=item3ac4b6d97a:m:mJ2pI_KlgrtPRHfBzl9JCHw
Support disc
www.ebay.de/itm/Ronde-aus-Aluminium-plangefrast-AlMg3-Blech-150-x-10-mm-foliert-Aluscheibe-/112088105561?hash=item1a18f8c259:g:QcYAAOSwyDxXgh9k
drive shaft (12mm)
www.ebay.de/itm/Silberstahl-1-2210-12-mm-x-ca-330-mm-115CrV3-Passung-h9-gegluht-gezogen-pol-/261368143424?hash=item3cdac15e40:m:m2pik4qWbmtkS-rZMpv-X1w
UCF flanged bearing (you need 2pc)
www.ebay.de/itm/1-Flanschlager-Flanschagereinheit-UCF-201-Durchmesser-12mm-/191893830982?hash=item2cadc37d46:g:5SYAAOSwcLxYE3ka
flexible shaft coupling (motor above has 10mm shaft so you need a 10/12 coupling)
www.ebay.de/itm/Wellenkupplung-25mm-9NM-Bohrungen-wahlbar-z-B-fur-CNC-Schrittmotoren-etc-/232094454719?var=&hash=item3609e853bf:m:md2W_53XJvOJAG2rSnCjBaA
flip switch
www.ebay.de/itm/Einbau-Wippenschalter-6-polig-rot-beleuchtete-Wippe-250V-15A-/252405428117?hash=item3ac4892f95:g:7XMAAOSw4GVYNK8e
Oh wow..!! Thank u so much Ralph! Perfect, absolutely perfect. :-)
Greygleam Hi Ralph thank you for the nice tutorial, is really great, and thank you as well for the materials list. Ralph the only thing I can't find because is "out of stock " is the flexible shaft coupling 25mm (10 to 12mm). I just can find 30mm external diameter, will work? Better not? Ralph I hope I am not asking to much could you also please tell us the dimensions of the wood plates. ( because I go to a hardware store and let they completely even cut them for me, I don't have the tools for that in this case it must be perfect for level base etc... I really appreciate your idea and the power hone video. Keep doing.
Tim Grünfeld Danke schön dass Du gefragt hat über eine kauf Liste. MFG aus Österreich.
Hi Ralf, I made my power hone thanks to you, with a slightly modification. I wanna send you photos, please send me your email. Thank you so much again.