What's even more amazing about Menton's climate is that its borderline Csb (warm summer Mediterranean) as opposed to the usual Csa (hot summer Mediterranean), it technically falls on the Csa side but its close. Usually Csb climates are either alpine (as in the Andes), high latitude (as in the Puget lowlands) or very foggy (as in central-southern California or parts of the eastern Azores), or some combination of these such as the highlands of Hawaii. The former two of these have cold spells and frequent freezes, and the latter doesn't appeal to everyone (I for one like fog but a lot of people seem averse to it) plus I'd imagine you'd have to deal with some amount of salt from the heavy marine influence. Menton might be the only (borderline) Csb climate that I know of that basically never freezes but also doesn't have fog as the factor moderating the summer temps. Definitely a gem of a climate anomaly.
A lot of Vietnam and South China would be an excellent climatic proxy for this, the precipitation is basically reverse (wet in summer) but the temperature trends should be nearly identical to this microclimate and as you know that region is overflowing with unique fruits. As long as you had drip irrigation it should be fine. Northern Mexico should be a gold mine too, I even managed a Tejocote (Mexican hawthorn) for a while in Zone 8a until a particularly nasty freeze took it out so I'd imagine pretty much anything north of the Yucatan should yield good results. One interesting challenge might be the daylight changes throughout the year, some plants from tropical regions really suffer with long summer days and long winter nights.
Plant yacon (Smallanthus sonchifolius) and some edible dahlias in that park. Highly interesting. Am planning to buy some farmlands and a little house somewhere where it doesn't get too hot and has good water supply . Maybe here I get inspiration. Learned some European languages: German, English, Spanish and French.
@@allthefruit Are they edible? Dahlia is the national plant of Mexico and the storage tubers are a traditional dish. The big company Lubera in Switzerland sells different types of edible dahlias with beautiful flowers.
@@allthefruit There is special edible breeds with good taste. It is said they taste like Kohlrabi or Parsil. In case of prepping for emergency they look like flowers and wouldn't be stolen from the garden.
I would do a collection of: cultivated Plinia varieties Lucama Green sapote Davidson plum I think Jaboticabas have potential with their flavor and the amount of species to make hybrids with, it would be nice to have a place of high genetic diversity where people can spread the seeds from. Lucama and green sapote I think they would do good in that climate and they look like really good fruit. The Davidson plum is just a really weird tree and supposedly the fruits are very nice made into different things.
When i visit arboretums, i am constantly collecting seeds and cuttings to grow out. Now that you have a friend with a greenhouse, are you doing anything similar?
Trying to compare to Los Rios region in Chile because im planning to move there and im thinking of starting a nursery. It has a unique climate so your videos help me with what is seen and works in something more comparable, although europe is still hotter in the summer than austral Chile while it's way colder in winter.
@creeperFIN123 Wow, Chile is a great place and I spent 3 childhood years in Concepción de Chile before Allende, still having contacts. Am an older professional german gardener and graduated biologist with extra training in agriculture (phytopathology and official auditing). My main crop here in Germany is south American yacon (Smallanthus sonchifolius). Would be interested in following your path in Chile.
@@katipohl2431 I am half Chilean so I'm just moving back after most of my life in Helsinki. The weather here is terrible for planting so I hope I can start a business and maybe post my progress somewhere. I have planted Aristotelia chilensis (maqui) in my balcony and lithrea caustica (litre) from seed and a couple others, a real challenge up here. I hope in Chile i can invest more time into botany and conservation. Concepción is beautiful sadly now with all the land erosion and dryness too prone to fires for my liking.
@@creeperFIN123 Had the best time of my life in Chile, traveling a lot to the Andes, Atacama desert and places, living in avenida sanhueza de Concepción close to cerro caracol. Part of my heart stays there forever. Vivan los copihues, los cavallos criollos, los indios mapuches y las empanadas. Remembering the easyliy burning eucalyptus trees.
Hm yeah i agree with you that it has more potential but i don’t agree with putting Banas or Mangos in an american garden because its not from the americas. That belongs in the Asian garden. With Sapodillas i absolutely agree, tons of sapodilla sp., Annona sp. Passiflora sp. Papaya, Pineapple, Abiu and all the stuff which comes from the americas that doesn’t come to mind now!
@@allthefruit Haha its okay. But so many missed opportunities for crazy looking Chilean or Argentinian plants and just generally much much more potential, especially with that microclimate.
What's even more amazing about Menton's climate is that its borderline Csb (warm summer Mediterranean) as opposed to the usual Csa (hot summer Mediterranean), it technically falls on the Csa side but its close. Usually Csb climates are either alpine (as in the Andes), high latitude (as in the Puget lowlands) or very foggy (as in central-southern California or parts of the eastern Azores), or some combination of these such as the highlands of Hawaii. The former two of these have cold spells and frequent freezes, and the latter doesn't appeal to everyone (I for one like fog but a lot of people seem averse to it) plus I'd imagine you'd have to deal with some amount of salt from the heavy marine influence. Menton might be the only (borderline) Csb climate that I know of that basically never freezes but also doesn't have fog as the factor moderating the summer temps. Definitely a gem of a climate anomaly.
Yes, the summers are coolish and wet for Mediterranean standarts
A lot of Vietnam and South China would be an excellent climatic proxy for this, the precipitation is basically reverse (wet in summer) but the temperature trends should be nearly identical to this microclimate and as you know that region is overflowing with unique fruits. As long as you had drip irrigation it should be fine. Northern Mexico should be a gold mine too, I even managed a Tejocote (Mexican hawthorn) for a while in Zone 8a until a particularly nasty freeze took it out so I'd imagine pretty much anything north of the Yucatan should yield good results. One interesting challenge might be the daylight changes throughout the year, some plants from tropical regions really suffer with long summer days and long winter nights.
Tell me a lot about Vietnamese fruits and i might go there
Plant yacon (Smallanthus sonchifolius) and some edible dahlias in that park. Highly interesting. Am planning to buy some farmlands and a little house somewhere where it doesn't get too hot and has good water supply . Maybe here I get inspiration. Learned some European languages: German, English, Spanish and French.
They have Dahlia imperialis around there
@@allthefruit Are they edible? Dahlia is the national plant of Mexico and the storage tubers are a traditional dish. The big company Lubera in Switzerland sells different types of edible dahlias with beautiful flowers.
Ah, so not all are edible?
@@allthefruit There is special edible breeds with good taste. It is said they taste like Kohlrabi or Parsil. In case of prepping for emergency they look like flowers and wouldn't be stolen from the garden.
Interesting. I want some
I would do a collection of:
cultivated Plinia varieties
Lucama
Green sapote
Davidson plum
I think Jaboticabas have potential with their flavor and the amount of species to make hybrids with, it would be nice to have a place of high genetic diversity where people can spread the seeds from.
Lucama and green sapote I think they would do good in that climate and they look like really good fruit.
The Davidson plum is just a really weird tree and supposedly the fruits are very nice made into different things.
Great ideas
When i visit arboretums, i am constantly collecting seeds and cuttings to grow out. Now that you have a friend with a greenhouse, are you doing anything similar?
Nah, i can still find enough stuff on the internet
Trying to compare to Los Rios region in Chile because im planning to move there and im thinking of starting a nursery. It has a unique climate so your videos help me with what is seen and works in something more comparable, although europe is still hotter in the summer than austral Chile while it's way colder in winter.
@creeperFIN123 Wow, Chile is a great place and I spent 3 childhood years in Concepción de Chile before Allende, still having contacts. Am an older professional german gardener and graduated biologist with extra training in agriculture (phytopathology and official auditing). My main crop here in Germany is south American yacon (Smallanthus sonchifolius). Would be interested in following your path in Chile.
@@katipohl2431 I am half Chilean so I'm just moving back after most of my life in Helsinki.
The weather here is terrible for planting so I hope I can start a business and maybe post my progress somewhere. I have planted Aristotelia chilensis (maqui) in my balcony and lithrea caustica (litre) from seed and a couple others, a real challenge up here. I hope in Chile i can invest more time into botany and conservation. Concepción is beautiful sadly now with all the land erosion and dryness too prone to fires for my liking.
Chile is amazing, so many climates. I want to go
@@creeperFIN123 Had the best time of my life in Chile, traveling a lot to the Andes, Atacama desert and places, living in avenida sanhueza de Concepción close to cerro caracol. Part of my heart stays there forever. Vivan los copihues, los cavallos criollos, los indios mapuches y las empanadas. Remembering the easyliy burning eucalyptus trees.
What rare fruits?
I would plant mamey, coconuts, dates, bananas and different citrus varieties
Too cold for coconuts, not sure about mamey
Parajubaea would be a good coconut replacement, or perhaps Beccariophoenix for the aesthetics
Parajubaea grows there but its not common
Hm yeah i agree with you that it has more potential but i don’t agree with putting Banas or Mangos in an american garden because its not from the americas. That belongs in the Asian garden. With Sapodillas i absolutely agree, tons of sapodilla sp., Annona sp. Passiflora sp. Papaya, Pineapple, Abiu and all the stuff which comes from the americas that doesn’t come to mind now!
Come on, everything can be better 😂 but its still great
@@allthefruit Haha its okay. But so many missed opportunities for crazy looking Chilean or Argentinian plants and just generally much much more potential, especially with that microclimate.
Find me private collectors in that area
@@allthefruit Idk Luca is close enough to send it there i guess. But do you even have the permission to plant anything there anyways?
I mean you should go on the internet and find me great private collections i can visit