I’ve always wondered if this is why he’s more compassionate. He is 700 years older and wiser than the other kaylon and spent all those years teaching and observing a sentient species.
Well theres that and the fact he was built AFTER his species gained consciousness and rebelled/genocided their creators meaning he literally had no hate in him for biologicals.
@@crabinthetophat490 you think the writers are here in this comment section, scouring all the comments looking for their next bit of plot? Don't be so cynical bro, let OP have some fun
I like that he states that to the crew. To a flesh and blood being, it'd be an eternity, but to a machine it's a drop in the bucket of their perpetual existence
Well there are correspectives also in biological life forms. We have trees and sharks and turtles that have 3, 4, 500 years on their shoulders. Recently scientists have found a shark that is supposed to be 1000 years old. No one have an explanation for that. Also certain trees are so old. I mean, they was planted before the discovery of America, before the Reinassance, before the Fall of the Eastern Roman Empire... Robots... technically can't last so long. Yes in ideally conditions they maybe last a lot, but "ideally conditions" doesn't exist and metal degrade as fast as everything else. After all outside our world there are phoenomenons such radiations thousands or millions of times stronger than what we experience here on Earth and yet it was sufficient Chernobyl disaster, that in terms of radiations in a universe scale, was little trouble, to destroy after few seconds the most advanced robots of the time. A robot such Isaac would take more, but he will still be destroyed in such conditions. So technically robots don't last long. Neither computers and artificial brains are so durable. Sure they do lots of calculations, but I didn't saw yet an artificial intelligence being able to do what we do for the entire span of our lives. Not even the most advanced can. But we can, it is actually what we do every day. Moving our bodies, making working complex machines, thinking complex thoughts... all of this while still conducting complex operations like producing hormones, proteines, breathing, pumping blood, digesting food, even pissing and taking a s*it... It's way more than what an Artificial Intelligence can do. There's simply no match. And all of this not counting that our brain is functioning with most of it's genes related to intelligence currently shut off. If we switch them on... no one can understand or figure it out how smart we can become. AIs will need millions of years of natural evolution to just match our capabilities.
@@istredd3465in all fairness Jesus was a chill guy who said not to judge others or be a hypocrite, with the Roman Empire corrupting that message when starting the Catholic Church
@@istredd3465 strictly speaking, Buddha was always a guy, and the buddhists never worshipped him as a god Siddharta Gautama (the Buddha) was just considered so wise, that his followers considers him THE Teacher, and follows his teachings Unlike in Abrahamic religions' God who is the creator of everything, "gods" in Buddhism were just people who have succeeded in ascending to higher planes of existence Can't say the same for Hinduism tho, their gods are like concepts or parts of nature, but personified
@@Palmer132completly untrue, the notion that the belief about Jesus was changed by the roman empire is extremly ahistorical that almost no well known historians agrees with it. We literally have writings from church fathers from the 1st, 2nd and 3rd century that espouse the same belief that current orthodox church espouses.
@@chucklesthebagel2121I watched that episode twice and still couldn't remember on the second watch wtf was going on. It wasn't a bad episode by any means but it was definitely wacky and then to end it with "Oh it's just us from before but way more advanced now and that was just virtual reality okay byeee" was an interesting choice lol
From the shorts alone, he is the best character. Everyone else is so bland and uninteresting. Except for the moclans, and the doctor, they are great too.
@@alphanerd7221 No, it was actually Seth's original pitch for Discovery before they went with the final pitch. Seth instead took it to fox and pitched the comedic elements harder until midway through the first season.
@@SeaneThompson1 Age is generally defined as lifespan. Its just in the real world theres nothing that allows you to experience more time from the date of your birth, to the current day than anyone else.
I was thinking the exact same thing. It is the way every religion has worked for possibly 80’000 years. We’ve reached a stage now where new religions will become more and more rare except in small cults and that’s partially because people use some logic and critique when thinking about newer religions. Sadly, many of them lack the same ability to accept criticism of their own religious beliefs. Scripture read with an open mind and the willingness to question things that don’t add up is something I’d recommend to anyone who has time to read incredibly tedious books
@@thegreyarea-WPPgood thing all the major religions of the world are severely declining in membership, often driven by young people. Christianity is especially going to disappear from the West in one generation. It’s a truly wonderful sight to behold. If you’re young like me, you are literally driving history.
@@gamera5160 And yet it is no less accurate. I'm sure that if you went back in time and told them that the geocentric world view was false and that it was infact the sun that the earth revolve around, and then showed them the data to prove it, some of them would also call that "patronizing".
As a Kaylon, Isaac could likely just change his perception of time and view months to years as actual seconds. Same for the opposite direction, seconds to months or years.
probably he has no concept of time at all! Circuitry running on the speed of time anyway, so he's choosing to participate in the present time just because. He could have hybernated and turned on any point of time even after all life is gone. @pokemonfanmario7694
To issac 700 years is 700 seconds, and he married a woman whose entire lifes only a blink in time to him Despite "not having emotions" hes gonna hurt after that blink :]
Call me closed minded and prejudicial all you want but a robot with no biological parts marrying a fully biological organism (human female in this case) is DISGUSTING and should not be legal, and this is coming from someone who voted YES on allowing same gender marriage.
@slycat123123 the whole idea of not fucking with the timeline is to keep some consistency within the universe. If it's okay for people to go into the past and just change shit, none of the timelines will ever last. Also, you can't get rid of a trillion people and then say, "it's okay, I replaced them with a trillion other different people!" That's not moral or justified.
Different issue. This doesn't disrupt a timeline, it disrupts cultural development. Gordon would have rewrote history, wiping millions from existence, replacing them with others, and making the future uncertain. Butterfly Effect.
A better idea is, what if the solar system is a generational ship? Its moving somewhere alltogether, it has organic beings on atleas a planet that live and die there, they can explore the outer space. Why not? It could be that the solar system was propelled by a ancient civilisation to a distant destionation forgotten to time. The engoine wouldve been melted by the sun? Its just a silly idea. After all, everything moves anything. For all we know, an alien might have shot a laser that moved our planet a 100 atoms farther from the sun. We could have slowed down a neutron star on the other side of the universe by 10/atom².
It can't be lol, it would have to be a solar system size ship, which wouldn't be possible due to the asteroid belt and the stat itself sucking in everything If you're talking about the earth itself, no Because when people go to space it isn't a large flat disc, it is a gigantic sphere
Depending on your adherence to strict definition we are, a spacecraft is a vehicle used for travelling in space; a vehicle is a thing used for transportation. Since we use the earth for transportation through space and time, it’s a vehicle. Since it’s a vehicle used for traveling space, it’s a spacecraft. Hell, if you wanted to get to “spaceship” level, world governments are the crew managing the spacecraft, therefore, earth is a very large spaceship.
Which itself was inspired by the novel Dragon's Egg by Robert L. Forward, he in turn was inspired by astronomer Frank Drakes' theory that intelligent life could inhabit neutron stars, that theory was 49 years ago, crazy what one idea spawns.
@@develynseether4426 I read Dragon's Egg AND the sequel Star Quake many years ago. I wanted a 3rd book but Robert never made it into a series (I define a "series" as 3 or more stories. A trilogy is the shortest series possible). However, this story is very different in that time effectively was different for the "Cheela" due to their metabolisms being so different but in this story the people are basically like us and time only goes out of sync during certain "phasing". Its not really very similar to Dragon's Egg. Also, call me closed minded all you want but there is not a chance in heck of life existing on a STAR.
Unless I'm completely remembering wrong, Gordon changed an existing timeline, Kelly didn't, it's not really the same thing. In star trek analog, she broke the prime directive, which is bad, but Gordon broke the TEMPERAL prime directive, which has always been shown to have been fixed in star trek by the time police.
@@Hythinethem surviving the ship being destroyed by a future theft that wanted to steal their ship and sell it off should have changed the time line too. You know because they shouldn't have existed any longer
She didn't get a pass. Earlier in the episode she got reprimanded by the admiralty for the effects she had during the stone age. However, unlike in the case with Gordon, she did not go into the past to do it. She merely got seen during a visit. The consequences of this visit always took place in the present, meaning that the timeline was not contaminated. In the case of Gordon, he went back in time and became a well known test pilot. This is forbidden as it alters the timeline in unpredictable ways. That being said, it is unknown whether or not the other timeline was completely deleted when Gordon was retrieved from an earlier time.
I’d like to ask something, would he be considered an artificial or synthetic life form? I think synthetic would be more accurate, as he is fully recognized as a real life, though he was created synthetically rather than biologically. Artificial life form would be synonymous with a false life form, of which he is not.
Purely philosophical question, only you can really answer in a way that'll fully satisfy yourself. That said, semantically I believe it should be accurate. Artificial life form = body meant to imitate a biological form of life. What I believe you were thinking of was artificial intelligence. In that case, I would consider the Kaylons to have synthetic intelligence. There are many ways to measure intelligence and philosophically there's no universal agreement on what classifies as such. Most definitions would probably include creativity and adaptation, though, which Isaac has proven capable of. He even has developed a conscience, which pushed him to defy his orders.
Iirc theres nothing biological àbout his makeup. So hes not synthetic(a material meant to mimic what it resembles). His intellegiance is artifical, man made, though its evolving. Hes an android. Not a cyborg or robot. Theres little philosophy relevant to his existance. "It aint that deep".
The word artificial is of current relevance for obvious reasons...and it is extremely problematic. It is used often where it does not belong. "Artificial flavor," "artificial color," and the like are actually incorrect if you think about it. All colors are real and can be seen. All flavors can be tasted. They are synthetically derived, and as such should be described that way. Artifical intelligence is nothing of the kind. It is neither artificial (it exists, and was produced to be what it is), nor is it intelligence (it is a series of algorithms meant to average a dataset). It should be neither termed artifical nor synthetic. For Isaac, it's a bit more difficult, as he is neither artificial (he does not simply appear to be alive as he has consciouness), nor was he synthesized in the strictest sense, as he only cursorily resembles biological humanoids. He was created in the way his kind are always created, to be the exact thing he is supposed to be. That makes him real, not artificial, and not synthesized. To my mind, the closest term we would have to accurately describe what he is would be "non-biological" lifeform. Though that in itself is bio-centric, describing him by what he is not, and therefore problematic. In truth, Isaac simply needs a new term to fully describe himself.
@@DonoVideoProductions sir, artificial doesnt mean "fake", or "nom existant" as your philosophically coded mesg may imply. Artificially directly refers to something created by a biological being, that is non biological, or NATURALLY occurring. Ie, machinery, artificial flavors and the like. Yes. These flavors have substance - but when refered to, they are artificial. Because the flavor is produced through an unnatural means - in a lab. Isaac is 100% artificial. A machine produced by biological beings. His intellegiance is also artificial despite his consciouness - which is simply a byproduct of Kaylons uninhibited algorythym. AI is nothing more than an advanced robot w the capabality of unhindered computation.
*_What channel is this on?? I only saw the first season then it wasnt on TV.._*_ and im not trying to pay for a streaming service for a single show....!?_ 🤔😳🤦🏼🤷🏼 #PleaseAdvise!
@@LBCB94025 What kind of dissident are you? It's the natural order one shall pay for streaming services for two reasons only: That is, to watch one single show per each streaming service, and to be swamped with as many ads as possible while watching streaming services in general. Because, as humans, we're nothing but wallets and purses to extract funds from, with ads falling out of our brains, there to delineate our lives, our motivations, our decisions, our actions.
@@LBCB94025 just go to Hulu, it's all there Besides, streaming's more consistent than TV with older shows Also check Pluto TV, it's another streaming service but you don't have to pay for it, they've got plenty of older shows and the thing acts kinda like TV in a way, and it might be on there. But keep in mind that Family Guy, Orville, etc, would've been under Fox when Disney bought out Fox.
"Its time we brought your wind up toy back to you..." Isaac: "I must protest..." "Isaac... you literally watched us phase out geears switches and wires 400 years ago." Isaac: "Captain I believe I'm ready to be a big fish in a little pond again..."
They're a lot more advanced than the humans in the Orville. They spent centuries in another universe with similar conditions, so they likely were able to observe other civilizations and simulate their own. It's very likely that they actually do know it would've been the same, or at least have a similar outcome.
Agreed they would have developed differently if they had thought, like we do, that they were alone in the universe versus having a functioning guide in Isaac!
@@TerryAshley-s4o eh, maybe? I mean, to our average population's knowledge we don't have anything like isaac, but we still have the concepts of fantasy to go off of that people think about and try to apply to current and future tech. Just about every piece of tech we currently have is based of science fiction writing that people thought was a great idea and tried to make it a reality. Not everyone thinks we are alone in the universe, everyone has a widely diverse idea about our place in it and what other things might inhabit it or not. So, likely they are correct in assuming that the overall end result wouldn't be all that different given enough time. The only real difference would be how long it would take with a guide vs how long to get their on their own.
No you wouldn't evolve the same, his presence alone would expedite your technology development alone, knowing he came from out of space would also add onto that, this would unite the world and accelerate the progression of evolution by hundreds of years. Just because they know for a fact that flying is possible, travel through space is possible, electricity is possible, etc.
I think their reply was more along the lines of the fact that Kelly didn't have as much of an impact as a deity as she thought. I mean, on earth we have plenty of legends and stories about deities that have performed "miracles" that could most likely just be higher forms of technology misinterpreted as magic or divinity. They are basically just saying that whether it was her or someone else, the results would have been similar. But yes, Isaac's case is different because he is verifiably artificial and is definitive proof about tech, space, space travel, etc and probably did his best to disabuse people of their ideas that he was some kind of god and actually taught them, which drastically accelerated their progression as a race.
There are several shows that have a take on this plot. The species that lives at a pace a million times faster than the humans in space. It comes from a novel called Dragon's Egg, which is among the hardest of hard sci fi but is still a fantastic read.
Am I really the ONLY person on this thread that also read the sequel Star Quake?? Also, call me closed minded but I refuse to believe that it is possible for ANY kind of life to exist on a STAR.
@@Zurround It wasn't intentional. I had never heard of it when I picked it up. It wasn't until I read Starquake that found out it was a sequel. I haven't read them since the late 90's so I am not sure I can answer your question. The only reason I remember as much as I do is because they are such unique books, they stand out.
@@StoneInMySandal humans is a creature inclined to worships, if not to the Creator, then to our own whims and desires, and if not to our own whims and desires, that worships will always go to the other humans that we idealize in our eyes as "perfect" examples of what humans should be, that is why so many young women jumped off the roofs when Elvis Presley died, and that is also the reason for so many cults of personality existed throughout history, and even to this day there still exist cults of personality like the ones in North Korea and China.
Not just his happiness, an entire branch of reality. His descendants, their families, everything they would ever contribute, all of that got wiped away
@@weldonwin Silly reasoning. Every decision we make erases an infinity of universes in favor of one. They did exactly as Gordon originally requested, and saved him as soon as they could after he was stranded, which was his wish and their responsibility.
Diplomat: We thought we would return your artificial lifeform to you. Ed: He's our friend, not our property. Thank you, though. Issac: I tried to explain this to them, but they never understood.
Keep in mind that time is different on the other dimension that they phase to, that means that Earth in the other dimension is also 10,000 time's older after every jump
It was blue and their species release a powerful pheromones that attracts anyone even other species. So powerful that it is almost impossible to resist. The funny part is it also attracts the same gender when the captain of the ship was also entranced the pheromones.
I've only ever seen this series in clips but dear god this show is beyond incredible. May be a comedy but damn do some of the clips I see get a little really af
You have to watch the show. It's much funnier and much better than just clips. Especially once they left Fox and went to Hulu - no longer constrained by network time limits and time for ads.
@@ITheAscended1I believe it is, and may be on Disny+ too, I bought all three seasons on iTunes. Seth hasn't ruled out a season 4, but goodness knows when or if it will happen. Isaac's story gets very very VERY interesting. Don't want to spoil anything, but yeah. Great stuff...
It's worth the watch. Considering that this series was meant to be a comedy it ended up being better than the modern Trek series Discovery (& Picard- the first few seasons at least as I haven't seen them all). It set out to mock Star Trek & ended up shaming them imo.
Good parody must be based on a deep understanding of why the original worked (or didn't) when played without comedy. The Orville is Star Trek parodied by Trekkies, so it ended up looping right back around to being one of the better Trek inspired medias.@@nexarian2523
Since I see it every time this episode is referenced, the reason why this is okay compared to Gordon later is because this is an underdeveloped world, not the past. While technically it appears that this world is just a past version of earth, it’s simply one that hasn’t caught up in terms of technology and culture, thus is why it’s bad that she became their god but they were still able to fix it since it had time to adapt to the change. Gordon went back and altered actual moments in the past and, while that episode was super tragic, he needed to be stopped because he could theoretically create either a paradox or a new timeline altogether.
Maybe his species is immune to boredom? A nearly immortal human with a greatly extended life span would be miserable after 700 years even if they were living in luxury.
@@Scipio488which he didn't really do tho. I get the logic behind the "he's changing the whole world jusy by existing" but that not how this works. the world and timeline would've developed almost exactly the same, to the point that the difference would've been absolutely insignificant and for all they knew him landing in the past was always supposed to happen.
That bit at the end about A necessary stage in a consciousness was shockingly profound. I may have to check this series out instead of just watching small snippets on RUclips.
How is this written by Seth McFarland, this is so profound and not just bad jokes. As much as I dislike the shows he writes I gotta give him props this is great.
@shadows_star @@lucho7819 I know it's the Orville but I don't remember watching this episode, also that episode when Kelly meets her 7 years younger self. Either I don't remember them or they're not on Disney plus
It has better stories than many Star Trek episodes. The "comedy" on this show is just some comic relief to make the show more pleasant. I don't think the show is flat out a comedy (like red dwarf).
Imagine after 700 yrs the indigenous people are all dead and now it’s a race of Kaylons that have advanced their technology to be unstoppable. (Kelly would never forgive herself)
This show was incredible... I thought it was going to be a silly comedy, something similar to family guy, but it wasn't. It was one of those shows that you just don't want to end.
What I find ironic is how the Kaylon start down a path of learning to change and these people eventually gave us Dinal who body jacks people for the thrill of dying. Found the Orville's version of Q...
Incredible to think, that this humorous series is doing Star Trek better, than many of the last few official Star Trek Series did. All this while still giving an ironic wink to everything.
I’ve always wondered if this is why he’s more compassionate. He is 700 years older and wiser than the other kaylon and spent all those years teaching and observing a sentient species.
Probably, plus all the other experiences he had
Well theres that and the fact he was built AFTER his species gained consciousness and rebelled/genocided their creators meaning he literally had no hate in him for biologicals.
Ths is an excellent point that i never considered .
Don't do the job of the writers for them.
@@crabinthetophat490 you think the writers are here in this comment section, scouring all the comments looking for their next bit of plot? Don't be so cynical bro, let OP have some fun
only 700 seconds for me.
This line hits hard.
Robo person is literally and figuratively built different.
This is one of the reasons why his race is so dangerous
How bored or un-bored Isaac would be if he understands time like humans
Makes you wonder how Isaac can make meaningful connections on the Orville at all...
I like that he states that to the crew. To a flesh and blood being, it'd be an eternity, but to a machine it's a drop in the bucket of their perpetual existence
Well there are correspectives also in biological life forms.
We have trees and sharks and turtles that have 3, 4, 500 years on their shoulders.
Recently scientists have found a shark that is supposed to be 1000 years old.
No one have an explanation for that.
Also certain trees are so old.
I mean, they was planted before the discovery of America, before the Reinassance, before the Fall of the Eastern Roman Empire...
Robots... technically can't last so long.
Yes in ideally conditions they maybe last a lot, but "ideally conditions" doesn't exist and metal degrade as fast as everything else.
After all outside our world there are phoenomenons such radiations thousands or millions of times stronger than what we experience here on Earth and yet it was sufficient Chernobyl disaster, that in terms of radiations in a universe scale, was little trouble, to destroy after few seconds the most advanced robots of the time.
A robot such Isaac would take more, but he will still be destroyed in such conditions.
So technically robots don't last long.
Neither computers and artificial brains are so durable. Sure they do lots of calculations, but I didn't saw yet an artificial intelligence being able to do what we do for the entire span of our lives.
Not even the most advanced can.
But we can, it is actually what we do every day. Moving our bodies, making working complex machines, thinking complex thoughts... all of this while still conducting complex operations like producing hormones, proteines, breathing, pumping blood, digesting food, even pissing and taking a s*it... It's way more than what an Artificial Intelligence can do.
There's simply no match.
And all of this not counting that our brain is functioning with most of it's genes related to intelligence currently shut off.
If we switch them on... no one can understand or figure it out how smart we can become.
AIs will need millions of years of natural evolution to just match our capabilities.
Comes back clad in gold wearing a crown 👑
As C-3PO
C3PO
Robot Slay !
Ahh, the bender ending I see 😂
"Pranked"
Imagine speaking to your planets former diety who apologised for being your planets former diety.
Imagine Jesus or Buddha are just some dudes on a ship somewhere, you get to meet them and they are totally casual dudes 🤔
@@istredd3465that was the general vibe they wanted to give off funnily enough too if you so a bit more research (just a dude)
@@istredd3465in all fairness Jesus was a chill guy who said not to judge others or be a hypocrite, with the Roman Empire corrupting that message when starting the Catholic Church
@@istredd3465 strictly speaking, Buddha was always a guy, and the buddhists never worshipped him as a god
Siddharta Gautama (the Buddha) was just considered so wise, that his followers considers him THE Teacher, and follows his teachings
Unlike in Abrahamic religions' God who is the creator of everything, "gods" in Buddhism were just people who have succeeded in ascending to higher planes of existence
Can't say the same for Hinduism tho, their gods are like concepts or parts of nature, but personified
@@Palmer132completly untrue, the notion that the belief about Jesus was changed by the roman empire is extremly ahistorical that almost no well known historians agrees with it. We literally have writings from church fathers from the 1st, 2nd and 3rd century that espouse the same belief that current orthodox church espouses.
Lets just remind people that they Issac a kylon alone with another race for 700 yrs had the opportunity to destroy them but instead just helped
Isaac is different
Not the oldest. There are those immortal aliens later
@@HugeHaddockthere the same planet just evolved more since the phasing thing fast cowered time for them
He did not know the plan..
@@chucklesthebagel2121I watched that episode twice and still couldn't remember on the second watch wtf was going on. It wasn't a bad episode by any means but it was definitely wacky and then to end it with "Oh it's just us from before but way more advanced now and that was just virtual reality okay byeee" was an interesting choice lol
Imagine the adventures Isaac had in that 700 years.
Spin-off?👀
He probably wrote a book
Spin-off! Spin-off! Spin-off! Spin-off!
From the shorts alone, he is the best character. Everyone else is so bland and uninteresting. Except for the moclans, and the doctor, they are great too.
Or did he.. 🫢
I still love how this show basically started out as a satire, but became comparable, if not competitive with it's source material
Trek fans embraced it out of necessity, it carried the torch that modern shows calling themselves Star Trek tried to snuff out.
It's better than st:discovery objectively
I mean, it has a LOT of Star Trek cast and crew in all episodes. Seth knew what he was doing. 😊
It was never satire. It was a trek rip off from the jump.
@@alphanerd7221 No, it was actually Seth's original pitch for Discovery before they went with the final pitch. Seth instead took it to fox and pitched the comedic elements harder until midway through the first season.
Does this mean Isaac is the oldest character in the show 😂
after this episode, yes
It depends on you definition of age is it who was born first or how many year have you lived through
@@SeaneThompson1second options sounds more accurate
@@SeaneThompson1 Age is generally defined as lifespan. Its just in the real world theres nothing that allows you to experience more time from the date of your birth, to the current day than anyone else.
@@SeaneThompson1 life lived*
They did this on chrono trigger
I see you are a gentleman of culture...
What is that ?
@@MannyAldaraca a video game on snes that I believe may be talking about gnostic teachings and religious beliefs stuff now that I saw this video.
That's what I thought when I watched this scene
Ahhhh, a man of culture I see
"the first ten million years were the worst. the second ten million years, they were the worst too"
i guess after that, you went into a bit of a decline?
Life. Don't talk to me about life.
Brain the size of a planet, and this is what they have me doing...
And after all he went through, the last words he ever saw were "sorry for the inconvenience"
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“Mythology would have found another face” he’s not wrong
I was thinking the exact same thing. It is the way every religion has worked for possibly 80’000 years. We’ve reached a stage now where new religions will become more and more rare except in small cults and that’s partially because people use some logic and critique when thinking about newer religions. Sadly, many of them lack the same ability to accept criticism of their own religious beliefs. Scripture read with an open mind and the willingness to question things that don’t add up is something I’d recommend to anyone who has time to read incredibly tedious books
@@thegreyarea-WPPgood thing all the major religions of the world are severely declining in membership, often driven by young people. Christianity is especially going to disappear from the West in one generation. It’s a truly wonderful sight to behold. If you’re young like me, you are literally driving history.
Yes, keep thinking that
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I think it's incredibly patronizing to suggest that religion exists as a silly little phase in cultural development that societies grow out of.
@@gamera5160 And yet it is no less accurate.
I'm sure that if you went back in time and told them that the geocentric world view was false and that it was infact the sun that the earth revolve around, and then showed them the data to prove it, some of them would also call that "patronizing".
Bro said “light work, no reaction” to 700 years of sentience on a planet just for his job
As a Kaylon, Isaac could likely just change his perception of time and view months to years as actual seconds.
Same for the opposite direction, seconds to months or years.
probably he has no concept of time at all! Circuitry running on the speed of time anyway, so he's choosing to participate in the present time just because. He could have hybernated and turned on any point of time even after all life is gone. @pokemonfanmario7694
Isaac: Gathering Data for 700 years?! Sign me up!
To issac 700 years is 700 seconds, and he married a woman whose entire lifes only a blink in time to him
Despite "not having emotions" hes gonna hurt after that blink :]
Call me closed minded and prejudicial all you want but a robot with no biological parts marrying a fully biological organism (human female in this case) is DISGUSTING and should not be legal, and this is coming from someone who voted YES on allowing same gender marriage.
So if 700 years is 700 seconds to him does that mean that all his time with the crew is just a barely remembered side quest that he did when bored?
@@thewhitewolf58 a sidequest thats changed him forever that he'll never forget
@@thewhitewolf58 Perhaps, but not like that. Try watching Freiren Beyond Journey's End. It's a show that's all about this idea. 🙂
Meanwhile, Gordon is a monster for settling in quietly and starting a family.
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Gordon was going to possibly disrupt the entire timeline, killing trillions by way of making them never exist. The situations are not comparable
@@Eye0fTheSt0rm Are those trillions of lives worth more then the infinite amount of lives that would have been born if he stayed?
@slycat123123 the whole idea of not fucking with the timeline is to keep some consistency within the universe. If it's okay for people to go into the past and just change shit, none of the timelines will ever last.
Also, you can't get rid of a trillion people and then say, "it's okay, I replaced them with a trillion other different people!" That's not moral or justified.
Different issue.
This doesn't disrupt a timeline, it disrupts cultural development.
Gordon would have rewrote history, wiping millions from existence, replacing them with others, and making the future uncertain.
Butterfly Effect.
The ep where the ship was an eco system with humans for 2000 yrs and dident known they where on a ship still sticks with me. What if earth is a ship?
A better idea is, what if the solar system is a generational ship? Its moving somewhere alltogether, it has organic beings on atleas a planet that live and die there, they can explore the outer space. Why not? It could be that the solar system was propelled by a ancient civilisation to a distant destionation forgotten to time. The engoine wouldve been melted by the sun? Its just a silly idea. After all, everything moves anything. For all we know, an alien might have shot a laser that moved our planet a 100 atoms farther from the sun. We could have slowed down a neutron star on the other side of the universe by 10/atom².
Short version: alien laser goes boom boom.
It can't be lol, it would have to be a solar system size ship, which wouldn't be possible due to the asteroid belt and the stat itself sucking in everything
If you're talking about the earth itself, no
Because when people go to space it isn't a large flat disc, it is a gigantic sphere
@@toasty1079 wake up, it's all an illusion
Depending on your adherence to strict definition we are, a spacecraft is a vehicle used for travelling in space; a vehicle is a thing used for transportation. Since we use the earth for transportation through space and time, it’s a vehicle. Since it’s a vehicle used for traveling space, it’s a spacecraft. Hell, if you wanted to get to “spaceship” level, world governments are the crew managing the spacecraft, therefore, earth is a very large spaceship.
His time on the Orville is like what a couple milliseconds?
I know what episode of star trek inspired this episode. Voyager had an episode called 'The Blink Of An Eye.'
And the doctor had a family lol
Which itself was inspired by the novel Dragon's Egg by Robert L. Forward, he in turn was inspired by astronomer Frank Drakes' theory that intelligent life could inhabit neutron stars, that theory was 49 years ago, crazy what one idea spawns.
@@develynseether4426 I read Dragon's Egg AND the sequel Star Quake many years ago. I wanted a 3rd book but Robert never made it into a series (I define a "series" as 3 or more stories. A trilogy is the shortest series possible). However, this story is very different in that time effectively was different for the "Cheela" due to their metabolisms being so different but in this story the people are basically like us and time only goes out of sync during certain "phasing". Its not really very similar to Dragon's Egg. Also, call me closed minded all you want but there is not a chance in heck of life existing on a STAR.
Wasn't there an episode in ds9 about a planet that phased in and out of existence
@@angryvaultguy season 3, 'Meridian'
It’s kinda ironic that they’ve evolved to become more godlike than the very god they worshipped
Complete crap that she gets a pass when they decided that Gordon deserved to have his happy life ruined.
Ironic how a two tiered justice system transcends many centuries😅
Unless I'm completely remembering wrong, Gordon changed an existing timeline, Kelly didn't, it's not really the same thing. In star trek analog, she broke the prime directive, which is bad, but Gordon broke the TEMPERAL prime directive, which has always been shown to have been fixed in star trek by the time police.
@@Hythineno one knows if he actually changed anything. They said he might change something.
@@Hythinethem surviving the ship being destroyed by a future theft that wanted to steal their ship and sell it off should have changed the time line too. You know because they shouldn't have existed any longer
She didn't get a pass. Earlier in the episode she got reprimanded by the admiralty for the effects she had during the stone age. However, unlike in the case with Gordon, she did not go into the past to do it. She merely got seen during a visit. The consequences of this visit always took place in the present, meaning that the timeline was not contaminated.
In the case of Gordon, he went back in time and became a well known test pilot. This is forbidden as it alters the timeline in unpredictable ways. That being said, it is unknown whether or not the other timeline was completely deleted when Gordon was retrieved from an earlier time.
I’d like to ask something, would he be considered an artificial or synthetic life form? I think synthetic would be more accurate, as he is fully recognized as a real life, though he was created synthetically rather than biologically. Artificial life form would be synonymous with a false life form, of which he is not.
Purely philosophical question, only you can really answer in a way that'll fully satisfy yourself.
That said, semantically I believe it should be accurate. Artificial life form = body meant to imitate a biological form of life.
What I believe you were thinking of was artificial intelligence. In that case, I would consider the Kaylons to have synthetic intelligence. There are many ways to measure intelligence and philosophically there's no universal agreement on what classifies as such. Most definitions would probably include creativity and adaptation, though, which Isaac has proven capable of. He even has developed a conscience, which pushed him to defy his orders.
I wasn't expecting a philosophy lesson
Iirc theres nothing biological àbout his makeup. So hes not synthetic(a material meant to mimic what it resembles). His intellegiance is artifical, man made, though its evolving. Hes an android. Not a cyborg or robot.
Theres little philosophy relevant to his existance. "It aint that deep".
The word artificial is of current relevance for obvious reasons...and it is extremely problematic. It is used often where it does not belong. "Artificial flavor," "artificial color," and the like are actually incorrect if you think about it. All colors are real and can be seen. All flavors can be tasted. They are synthetically derived, and as such should be described that way. Artifical intelligence is nothing of the kind. It is neither artificial (it exists, and was produced to be what it is), nor is it intelligence (it is a series of algorithms meant to average a dataset). It should be neither termed artifical nor synthetic.
For Isaac, it's a bit more difficult, as he is neither artificial (he does not simply appear to be alive as he has consciouness), nor was he synthesized in the strictest sense, as he only cursorily resembles biological humanoids. He was created in the way his kind are always created, to be the exact thing he is supposed to be. That makes him real, not artificial, and not synthesized. To my mind, the closest term we would have to accurately describe what he is would be "non-biological" lifeform. Though that in itself is bio-centric, describing him by what he is not, and therefore problematic. In truth, Isaac simply needs a new term to fully describe himself.
@@DonoVideoProductions sir, artificial doesnt mean "fake", or "nom existant" as your philosophically coded mesg may imply. Artificially directly refers to something created by a biological being, that is non biological, or NATURALLY occurring. Ie, machinery, artificial flavors and the like. Yes. These flavors have substance - but when refered to, they are artificial. Because the flavor is produced through an unnatural means - in a lab.
Isaac is 100% artificial. A machine produced by biological beings. His intellegiance is also artificial despite his consciouness - which is simply a byproduct of Kaylons uninhibited algorythym. AI is nothing more than an advanced robot w the capabality of unhindered computation.
bring this show back
They are, not sure when but McFarlane confirmed season 4. I forget what else he said about it
*_What channel is this on?? I only saw the first season then it wasnt on TV.._*_ and im not trying to pay for a streaming service for a single show....!?_
🤔😳🤦🏼🤷🏼
#PleaseAdvise!
@@LBCB94025 What kind of dissident are you?
It's the natural order one shall pay for streaming services for two reasons only:
That is, to watch one single show per each streaming service, and to be swamped with as many ads as possible while watching streaming services in general.
Because, as humans, we're nothing but wallets and purses to extract funds from, with ads falling out of our brains, there to delineate our lives, our motivations, our decisions, our actions.
@@LBCB94025 just go to Hulu, it's all there
Besides, streaming's more consistent than TV with older shows
Also check Pluto TV, it's another streaming service but you don't have to pay for it, they've got plenty of older shows and the thing acts kinda like TV in a way, and it might be on there. But keep in mind that Family Guy, Orville, etc, would've been under Fox when Disney bought out Fox.
@@LBCB94025Well its a streaming service show so boohoo to you
"Its time we brought your wind up toy back to you..."
Isaac: "I must protest..."
"Isaac... you literally watched us phase out geears switches and wires 400 years ago."
Isaac: "Captain I believe I'm ready to be a big fish in a little pond again..."
😂😂😂
They can't know that everything would have been the same without him.
They're a lot more advanced than the humans in the Orville. They spent centuries in another universe with similar conditions, so they likely were able to observe other civilizations and simulate their own. It's very likely that they actually do know it would've been the same, or at least have a similar outcome.
Agreed they would have developed differently if they had thought, like we do, that they were alone in the universe versus having a functioning guide in Isaac!
@@TerryAshley-s4o eh, maybe? I mean, to our average population's knowledge we don't have anything like isaac, but we still have the concepts of fantasy to go off of that people think about and try to apply to current and future tech.
Just about every piece of tech we currently have is based of science fiction writing that people thought was a great idea and tried to make it a reality.
Not everyone thinks we are alone in the universe, everyone has a widely diverse idea about our place in it and what other things might inhabit it or not.
So, likely they are correct in assuming that the overall end result wouldn't be all that different given enough time.
The only real difference would be how long it would take with a guide vs how long to get their on their own.
Show name:
The Orvall
I could be spelling it wrong
thank you buddy!
isaac is like the doctor but for him time feels like a blink in the eye
"Sir, an unknown ship just warped in and is hailing. Highly advanced, claims to be from the... Holy Isaacian Empire?"
I love how these people look like they've ascended and then there's Isaac just standing there like
"hello"
No you wouldn't evolve the same, his presence alone would expedite your technology development alone, knowing he came from out of space would also add onto that, this would unite the world and accelerate the progression of evolution by hundreds of years. Just because they know for a fact that flying is possible, travel through space is possible, electricity is possible, etc.
I think their reply was more along the lines of the fact that Kelly didn't have as much of an impact as a deity as she thought.
I mean, on earth we have plenty of legends and stories about deities that have performed "miracles" that could most likely just be higher forms of technology misinterpreted as magic or divinity.
They are basically just saying that whether it was her or someone else, the results would have been similar.
But yes, Isaac's case is different because he is verifiably artificial and is definitive proof about tech, space, space travel, etc and probably did his best to disabuse people of their ideas that he was some kind of god and actually taught them, which drastically accelerated their progression as a race.
They sound truly enlightened.
Kelly is slowly becoming a real Skylar White... Yo.
Isaac should have said "it's only 22090320000 seconds to me"
There are several shows that have a take on this plot. The species that lives at a pace a million times faster than the humans in space. It comes from a novel called Dragon's Egg, which is among the hardest of hard sci fi but is still a fantastic read.
Voyager S06E12 "Blink of an Eye" mixed with DS9 S03E08 "Meridian."
Am I really the ONLY person on this thread that also read the sequel Star Quake?? Also, call me closed minded but I refuse to believe that it is possible for ANY kind of life to exist on a STAR.
@@Zurround I actually read Star Quake first. It was the sequel to Dragon's Egg.
@@Elthenar Odd thing to do, reading a sequel first. Which book did you like better?
@@Zurround It wasn't intentional. I had never heard of it when I picked it up. It wasn't until I read Starquake that found out it was a sequel. I haven't read them since the late 90's so I am not sure I can answer your question. The only reason I remember as much as I do is because they are such unique books, they stand out.
"They respected me and made me their king."
These people clad in white are so chill.
That’s what happens when you move beyond religion. Which was the point of the episode. Star Trek hit on the theme many times too.
@@StoneInMySandalthe world will become North Korea without religions.
@@unknowuser9821 Why? Morals and ethics aren’t based on the Bible. They’re based on empathy and fairness, concepts completely absent in the Bible.
@@StoneInMySandal humans is a creature inclined to worships, if not to the Creator, then to our own whims and desires, and if not to our own whims and desires, that worships will always go to the other humans that we idealize in our eyes as "perfect" examples of what humans should be, that is why so many young women jumped off the roofs when Elvis Presley died, and that is also the reason for so many cults of personality existed throughout history, and even to this day there still exist cults of personality like the ones in North Korea and China.
Such a good episode of a profoundly underated show.
I wonder if that 700 years help issac develop emotions.
Isaac is like a male version of "Dot Matrix" in "Space Balls." He should have yelled "Virgin alert!" a few times🤣😅🤣😅🤣😂🤣
453 likes, 42 views, *makes sense to me*
Lol, good catch. RUclips is broken
Damn...you just wrote that a day ago? 😅😅
Always been like that 😂
"453 likes is like 42 views to me" - the guy when he got sent to the planet
Technically, if Isaac thinks at a faster rate than us, it would be much longer than 700 seconds.
She got scott-free and Gordon's happiness is erased.
Not just his happiness, an entire branch of reality. His descendants, their families, everything they would ever contribute, all of that got wiped away
@@weldonwin Silly reasoning. Every decision we make erases an infinity of universes in favor of one. They did exactly as Gordon originally requested, and saved him as soon as they could after he was stranded, which was his wish and their responsibility.
This episode... seriously, Adrianna's performance really conveyed the immense STRESS of being put on such a high pedestal.
Diplomat: We thought we would return your artificial lifeform to you.
Ed: He's our friend, not our property. Thank you, though.
Issac: I tried to explain this to them, but they never understood.
Keep in mind that time is different on the other dimension that they phase to, that means that Earth in the other dimension is also 10,000 time's older after every jump
I stoped believe in kelly when I saw her in bad with that green monster!
blue
It was blue and their species release a powerful pheromones that attracts anyone even other species. So powerful that it is almost impossible to resist. The funny part is it also attracts the same gender when the captain of the ship was also entranced the pheromones.
Anyone else immediately noticed the black woman is the actress that played Cassandra in mafia 3
I've only ever seen this series in clips but dear god this show is beyond incredible. May be a comedy but damn do some of the clips I see get a little really af
You have to watch the show. It's much funnier and much better than just clips. Especially once they left Fox and went to Hulu - no longer constrained by network time limits and time for ads.
@@SpookMrsSpooky I definitely will. And it is on just Hulu now?
@@ITheAscended1I believe it is, and may be on Disny+ too, I bought all three seasons on iTunes. Seth hasn't ruled out a season 4, but goodness knows when or if it will happen. Isaac's story gets very very VERY interesting. Don't want to spoil anything, but yeah. Great stuff...
It's worth the watch. Considering that this series was meant to be a comedy it ended up being better than the modern Trek series Discovery (& Picard- the first few seasons at least as I haven't seen them all). It set out to mock Star Trek & ended up shaming them imo.
Good parody must be based on a deep understanding of why the original worked (or didn't) when played without comedy. The Orville is Star Trek parodied by Trekkies, so it ended up looping right back around to being one of the better Trek inspired medias.@@nexarian2523
Since I see it every time this episode is referenced, the reason why this is okay compared to Gordon later is because this is an underdeveloped world, not the past. While technically it appears that this world is just a past version of earth, it’s simply one that hasn’t caught up in terms of technology and culture, thus is why it’s bad that she became their god but they were still able to fix it since it had time to adapt to the change. Gordon went back and altered actual moments in the past and, while that episode was super tragic, he needed to be stopped because he could theoretically create either a paradox or a new timeline altogether.
Kendrick lammar
He's not saying that he experiences time differently, he's saying it makes no difference to him whether it's 700 years or 700 seconds
Maybe his species is immune to boredom? A nearly immortal human with a greatly extended life span would be miserable after 700 years even if they were living in luxury.
@@Zurround you've clearly never watched it, so do not try to correct me
😥
You can help me
Don’t you know who I am
I want to be me
Someone who did all the hard work
This me.. was.. the nicest one
You won’t even remember
Why hitting us with the sad German ofc we remember
A Cylon with a heart and a soul.
They can throw the whole rule book out for this episode, but my man can't have a family?!
Correcting cultural contamination is not the same thing as altering the past.
@@Scipio488which he didn't really do tho.
I get the logic behind the "he's changing the whole world jusy by existing" but that not how this works.
the world and timeline would've developed almost exactly the same, to the point that the difference would've been absolutely insignificant and for all they knew him landing in the past was always supposed to happen.
"your artificial life form" for them he is alive and I loved that
Atheist wins
Not really. That score gets settled after death.
@@mystdragon8530then what? We return to the source (code)
@@mystdragon8530 What are your beliefs about afterlife?
That bit at the end about A necessary stage in a consciousness was shockingly profound. I may have to check this series out instead of just watching small snippets on RUclips.
The fact she only got a slap on this wrist for this but the other guy was treated like crap annoys me to no end
How is this written by Seth McFarland, this is so profound and not just bad jokes. As much as I dislike the shows he writes I gotta give him props this is great.
I can see a christian mom losing their absolute sh*t over this episode 😂
I didn’t like that they turned them into arrogant aliens but I wasn’t surprised
Where are you getting these episodes?? I want answers
The show is named "the orville"
Orville. Its on Disney+ now
@shadows_star @@lucho7819 I know it's the Orville but I don't remember watching this episode, also that episode when Kelly meets her 7 years younger self. Either I don't remember them or they're not on Disney plus
So many great messages in this show
It has better stories than many Star Trek episodes. The "comedy" on this show is just some comic relief to make the show more pleasant. I don't think the show is flat out a comedy (like red dwarf).
"If not you, we would have worshipped another. Mythology has to find a face. It's part of every cultures learning phase."
Click, click, boom religion.
It’s a show not a debate
I believe the same.
@@Spicysand28 It's a fact.
@@Smartness_itselfits at best a theory lol, not a fact as its not proven.
@@Smartness_itselfI think most of humanity would disagree
Damn. This is what I think we all wish A.I. truly becomes. And not...well...you guys who watched Terminator know what I mean with Skyline.
I cant wait for earth to grow out of dieties too😂
You know tgat 700 years is what advanced his mind pathways
Feels a bit like a ripoff of Star Trek Voyager episode "blink of an eye"
Good thing the show is a comedy star trek rip off
Good thing is better than star trek
@@fatalmyth9778 not a rip off, a parody
@Astros_in_space I know I was using the same terms the original commentor did.I've watched the orville since it came out
I love how this scene takes a massive steaming shit on the “prime directive” from Star Trek.
It's very interesting to think that our species will understand the universe on a much deeper level in the future discovering how it all works.
The Orville really hit the star trek ethos perfectly. This is just as good conceptually as "Who Watches the Watchers in TNG"
700 years later and they turned into proto Marlon Brandon.
If 700 years were literally 700 seconds for him he'd move slower than a tree
... and then we have some civilizations that never outgrow and move past their deities.
One of the best episodes. Man I miss this show.
being considered a deity is better than burning on the ceiling by a Yellow eyed demon
Dude is like space tech Imhotep.
This is basically Robo from Chrono Trigger. Staying behind, helping out for centuries, until reunited with his friends again.
"It's 700 years"
Yes, that's what 7 centuries is
Do you really not understand the intent of that line, or are you just being a redditor?
My theory is that he completely reset himself and would go back to his original self once the time was right.
That's... ingeniously simple.
mark zuckerberg displays such patience here ♥️
I'm gonna use that line next time my boss asks me why I'm taking so long.
Imagine after 700 yrs the indigenous people are all dead and now it’s a race of Kaylons that have advanced their technology to be unstoppable.
(Kelly would never forgive herself)
But god forbid a man is stranded for a decade and decides to live his life instead of staying in a cave.
That was very Star Trek!
No naughty jokes.
Very polite.
Actually nice.
But I do enjoy the naughty jokes.
I’m gonna absorb this whole shows lore through shorts
It's taking us waaaayyy longer than 700 years to get past our superstitions. Indeed it's not clear that we are making progress in that regards at all.
This show was incredible... I thought it was going to be a silly comedy, something similar to family guy, but it wasn't. It was one of those shows that you just don't want to end.
What I find ironic is how the Kaylon start down a path of learning to change and these people eventually gave us Dinal who body jacks people for the thrill of dying. Found the Orville's version of Q...
Dude was only there for about 12 minutes Isaac is just that dude✍🏽
This show is so mf awesome
I hope it comes backs
A moment can also be an eternity for an android.
This seems pretty identical to that one episode of Voyager
Voyager S06E12 "Blink of an Eye" mixed with DS9 S03E08 "Meridian."
The hell loop of 60 seconds of the same background music all over, again and again
Incredible to think, that this humorous series is doing Star Trek better, than many of the last few official Star Trek Series did. All this while still giving an ironic wink to everything.
Metal person, phasing through time, it's Karn.
god i miss this show...left so many questions unanswered but at least it did end on a good note
I love that enlightened beings are like "Excuse me sirs, is this your child?"
and Isaac is like "I got to ride in the police car!"
"mythology would have found another face" is a great spin on the classic Trek episode where Picard accidentally becomes a god
"Isaac, its 700 years"
"It will only take me 100 years to wipe out the entire planet. Plenty if time"
"Oh.Ok... . . Wait! No, no, no, no..."
Just casually slipping in some blasphemy at the end