The Boeing Situation Is Just Disturbing
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BREAKING NEWS: Popular streamer Ian "Vaush" Kochinski found dead with two gunshots to the back of the head and a suicide note
The gun was a hipster AF2011 and the suicide note bregs about how conventional suicide is overrated and how he is gonna do it better than anyone else. Typical Vaush
The Kharkiv Kid finder?!
@@yingfortheking "Known for his affinity for the equestrian phallus, Kochinski was also noted for finding and guiding the young boys of Kharkiv to safety during the Russian War."
The note was typed and had no signature, but a bloody handprint assures investigators that he left that as a signature and verifies the legitimacy of this note.
Authorities have ruled his death as "likely self-inflicted," but the local police also note that it is possible that his cat Artemy may be partially responsible.
Late state capitalism moment
Late **Stage* Capitalism ☝️🤓
late stage HYPERcapitalism. Larry Gonick, the guy who made the Cartoon Guide to History series, collaborated with Tim Kasser to make a cartoon guide on how capitalism essentially mutated into a practically giant hungry caterpillar... which is depicted as a LITERAL giant hungry caterpillar in a suit. No Cap.
Democratic Corporatocracy?
I refuse to fix the typo 🗿
@@thaenaa I respect that 🗿🤝🗿
4:55 "We understand the gravity." I sure hope so, if you plan on building things that fly.
Spoiler: They don't...
care.
Fuck Boeing
It was even worse than that. The only reason that autopilot was even installed was because they made aftermarket changes to the planes that meant they were unusable without the autopilot. They took normal planes, made them unflyable, and their fix was that autopilot that murdered people.
so they wanted to compete with airbus. But instead of making a brand new plane, what they did was strap jet engines on that were waaaay too big for it. So to adjust for the fact that the center of gravity is now shifted and you need to tilt the nose up, they just threw on a thing that basically kept pushing the plane up the whole time. So if this thing malfunctioned, they had a backup solution, but obviously the business execs were like "but yeah it'll never fail, we'll be fine. We'll save money anyways on not re-training".
It was so unbelievably fucking bad. The 737 Max was a total fraud from initial conception as the previous commenter states although he makes minor mistakes in retelling the tale.
Strapping big new engines on an old plane design made it easier to sell to customers and claim that pilots wouldn't need retraining. But those big engines made the plane prone to stalling. So they created MCAS.. a kludge solution that would tip the nose of the plane down automatically when a stall was determined to be imminent. But on at least two occasions it malfunctioned due to faulty readings and sent planes into a nosedive killing everyone on board.
I guess I wrote a bad word and my comment disappeared
Unflyable is a big word. To my knowledge the Max is perfectly flyable without the MCAS (as stated by both Mentour and Disaster Breakdown in their respective documentaries). True, it would be less stable in a stall event, but not unflayable. That's not the main part of the issue. Lots of planes have control augmentation systems, including passenger ones, they have been a thing for decades now. Where Boing actually went wrong (and wrong is putting it mildly) was in giving such a crucial system a single failure point (!) and withholding information about what MCAS is and what it does from both airlines and pilots. The reason they did that is because they wanted to market the Max as an upgrade that requires no crew retraining, which wouldn't be possible if they admitted it has a new control augmentation system. So they just lied and said that MCAS doesn't exist, after they have already designed it in a way that could cause a disaster if only a bit of dust got into the angle of attack sensor
Yeah, pretty much. They took a shortcut for designing a "new" plane (using an old design with new engines stuck on), and found that this new plane handled differently where it would pitch up more than the ones that pilots were used to flying. So instead of requiring pilots be trained to fly it, they installed a system that would simply pitch the plane down automatically so that it would fly just like the old planes. Except this system had a single point of failure, which lead to it overriding the pilot's input and forcing the plane to pitch down way further than it was meant to. And because boeing actively kept this system a secret even after the first crash, none of the pilots would've known about this or how to override it when it went haywire. Which is something that happened multiple times btw, there were other flights where this system was interfering with pilots that didn't lead to a crash. But again since no one knew this system existed at all, no one really knew that this was a problem with the plane itself (except for boeing ofc)
Where are the ancaps on this? I don't hear them cheering for this grand example of capitalism working without government regulations.
"Real capitalism has never been tried before."
I've regularly seen them saying that there's too many regulations when something bad happens because of lacking regulations
"government by virtue of existing influenced Boeing"
After ancap jesus was elected in Argentina and then subsiquently destroying it... yeah ancap stonks have been in the gutter since then. Real bad when you put all your chips in one basket then that basket catches on fire and sinks into the ocean
b-b-b-but muh capitalisum dood it works dood it just has to be done in this specific way that has no historical precedent dood capitalism works, you just have to BELIEVE, it's like faith dude
Ladies and gentlemen, the OLIGARCHY
They told us about this in Fight Club, years ago. We are seeing the real application of that thought process. Cartoonish, movie-villain evil. Real villains more evil and vile than the ones we draw in huge bright crayon lines for film.
the stuff in fight club was hundreds of years old - it was talking about stuff that was true since the 1800's (and of course, sooner).
Flight club
Do you mean flight club
@@xBINARYGODx I guess you don't remember the movie very well. I am talking about the part where he details how a corporation calculates the risk from a flaw in their manufacturing and how much money it will cost them and then they only fix the problem if it will cost them more than the lawsuit.
That is a specifically modern dystopian capitalist problem. And the absolute movie villain evil of the corporations that ran and do run our world exactly that way seemed cartoonish and silly when we saw it in the movie but this is really how it is.
@@angelainamarie9656 I knew that was real the moment I saw it. That's definitely a real job responsibility. I hate people.
I had to fly recently for a funeral. Thankfully, my family did not have to worry as I was flying on an Airbus both ways.
Seems like Boeing flies a lot of people for funerals
…Thanks for the info? We all just sharing random info about flights were getting? 😂
@@cassanateli it's relevant, obviously.
They didn’t need to worry either way. Boeing is awful but we’re still talking about a few incidents over the last several months when there’s 10,000 flights on Boeing airplanes every day. Your chances of anything happening are astronomically small
@@nathanmcguire932 Boeing currently has systemic issues that have lead to Congress actually doing anything at all. Airbus is trying to earn a monopoly on international longhaul airplanes. They are not the same.
It was a series of cost cutting measures that resulted in what I call a "Frankenstein" plane.
Boeing didnt have a plane/design that could compete with the Airbus A320 Nero, so the modified the 737. The larger engines they used were not appropriate for the frame, which significantly altered flight characteristics, causing the nose to pitch upward at certain points during flight.
To fix this, they implemented the MCAS system to automatically correct (or hide) the wacky physics at play.
Due to a combination of cost-cutting measures, the plane was designed poorly, they systems to hide it were faulty, and pilots were not properly trained to deal with the consequences of Boeing's greed.
There's A LOT more to the story, but that's the gist.
BTW, Boeing workers are very likely to go on strike in September. Safety and quality control are key issues they plan on raising.
Wouldn't call the airframe itself a Frankenstein since probably something like 30% of planes nowadays have control augmentation systems to hide/improve some kind of nasty flight characteristics, but the rest is on point. I would also emphasize the MCAS having a single failure point, cause that's just completely unacceptable
@@professormicron6470
I call it a "Frankenstein" because they just took a 737 and slapped bigger engines on it, which is the entire reason they had to use MCAS in the first place.
And as far as I'm aware, no other plane uses an MCAS-like system to compensate for structural design flaws. The KC-46, however, uses it during aerial refueling operations, which I think is a far more reasonable application.
@@TheRylieFox @TheRylieFox The Airbus A320 had a bigger engine slapped on it too; which resulted in the Nero. Airbus could do this because the frame was higher off the ground and could accommodate the larger engines (almost as if they anticipated the upgrade). The Boeing 737, on the other hand, didn't have enough ground clearance for the bigger engines. It was far cheaper to mount the engines higher on the wing and use software to "fix" the resulting handling issues. You get what you pay for.
really this whole thing sounds like it would've been fine if boeing were *eever* so *slightly* less greedy, and lazy, and evil.
don't have a new airframe, don't wanna design one? fine, sure. w/e. put bigger engines on an airframe that wasn't made for it? eehh, it's something that has to be accounted for, and the wacky flight characteristics, sure.
install some software thingy to help out/adjust the plane? sure...
be really fucking lazy and cheap out on the sensors and design the system with one point of failure and easily confused?
and tell NO ONE?! well congratulations. now you've gotten people *killed* nice job boeing.
like if they were just slightly less lazy with the MCAS and told people about it, and trained/let them train on it... it would've been, fine? sounds like it would've been fine. it'd be fine. a cheap, and lazy cost cutting solution, but one that doesn't result in your planes crashing. but they couldn't even do that.
4:56 They blamed DEI for this because the pilots were Ethiopian and Indonesian or Malaysian. They strongly implied that the pilot capabilities of non-westerners were not good, forgetting Ethiopian airlines has a very strong reputation for safety and professionalism.
That's horrible and so insulting.
This post reads like a joke, but unfortunately I can fully see this being real. These chud conservatives that accuse people like myself of hating America really try their hardest to make it true, and it's way too close to working.
Frankly, pilot training and average competency outside the US isn’t as good as in the US, but that wasn’t the main issue with the MAX crashes.
Frankly, pilot training and average competency outside the US isn’t as good as in the US, but that wasn’t the main issue with the MAX crashes.
Paid my way through college working the 777 line in Everett hanging engines (shoutout IAM local 751). The corporate culture there is fucking cursed, they don’t care about anything but numbers and money.
That's a dumb thing to say.
Numbers and money are what production firms *should* care about.
They're not artists.
However, the numbers they should care about shouldn't be quarterly profits and units sold that year. It should be safety margins and units sold in the next *ten* years.
But you didn't say that. You sneered at efficiency, not at short-dightedness.
@@JoshSweetvale except when your quality goes to shit, you lose orders and public trust and in the long run money. So no, it isn’t a dumb thing to say
"your honour i was just expanding the quarterly profits! Surely you can understand that?"
What Vaush described about the truck automatically doing shit happened to me. New Freightliner Cascadia driving through Sacramento and the collision mitigation system saw a cone on the side of the freeway freaked out and slammed on the brakes which could have caused an accident.
Artificial "intelligence" at its finest! Such innovate! Much efficient!
That‘s terrifying. Hope you made it through ok… sounds like enough adrenaline for a WEEK.
My sister got a new truck that pushes the steering, and I swear this thing has no clue what it's doing. Annoying *and* dangerous
@@hrodebertcoad9848 CyberTruck? 🤣
@@TheAmericanAmerican Surprisingly, no. It's a Chevy Colorado! Can't remember if it's a 24 or a 25.
How can he say they understand the gravity when the planes are all losing to gravity
When more so do you understand someone, than when you lose to them.
Anakin truly understood Obi Wan that moment he cut his legs off...
The Boeing situation is what happens when predatory, almost parasitic, capitalism takes hold and any semblence of craft and pride in what is being produced by a company is replaced with greed and investor appeasement.
Many such cases.
Okay, so here is what happened with the Max crashes in a few easy steps:
- Boeing got caught off-guard by Airbus releasing a new, improved variant of the A320 with more efficient engines. They had nothing to match so they quickly scrambled to make one more update to the 737, after the million updates it already had
- They ran into trouble with installing more efficient engines on the 737, because it's an ancient platform with very short landing gear. Modern, efficient jet engines need a lot of room for their huge fans. Much more room than original 737 engines needed and much more room than the original landing gear provided
- Boeing should have at this point retired the 737 or made a serious redesign with brand new wings and landing gear, but being the greedy corporation they currently are, they just modified the engine pylons and stretched the landing gear a little bit. This allowed them to fit the desired new engines, but it also altered the flight characteristics in an unfavorable way
- Boeing recognized the potential handling issue and chose to rectify it with a control augmentation system (one they named MCAS). At this point it still could have been done right, cause plenty of planes have similar systems that operate safely
- This is where it actually gets nasty. Someone at Boeing was so hell bent on cutting costs that they chose to feed the MCAS with data from only one angle of attack sensor, creating a single failure point for a system that has full control authority
- This is where it gets even nastier. Boeing wanted to make the Max more attractive to airlines, so they marketed it as an upgrade that requires no crew retraining. In order to do that they concealed the existence of MCAS, fearing that if they disclose that information, the authorities will start to question if crews should be allowed to fly the Max with so simulation training. That's why pilots initially had no idea what MCAS even does
- Once the first disaster happened Boeing was no longer able to hide the existence of MCAS. So the information was made public and Boeing promised to have a software fix asap. Except that "3 week fix" took them months do develop, until a second plane crashed, which finally lead to the Max being grounded and investigated properly
So vaush was wrong?
They would have been better off updating the 757, would've been a way better competitor to the Neo in my opinion, though I'm sure the current boeing would've found a way to screw that up somehow anyway.
'We are totally committed to our shareholders profits...I mean safety!'
"Elevating employment engagement." Is that a euphemism for defenestration?
More Perfect Union did a video the other day on Boeing, worth viewing in regards to negotiations for pay deal. Thought Vaush was going to cover it here.
yeah they produce some pretty informative stuff
We are two steps away from cyberpunk corpo deathsquads...
two steps past*
Part of the issue was that the MCAS relied upon only a single AOA (Angle of Attack) sensor's data and didn't have any level of redundancy or fault-detection to prevent erroneous AOA data from telling the MCAS to (very quickly) apply full nose-down trim. Even if the pilots had been properly trained on the system, the chances of them intervening before the control force necessary to overcome the trim became too great would've been slim to none. In other words, it was a fucked up system that essentially doomed the pilots (and passengers) regardless of the training.
There is also a problem with the hydraulic jack at the back of the plane. Every nose dive seems to have made the jack "slip", making it impossible for pilots to pitch the plane up enough after a certain point. This seems to have been caused by the plane becoming much heavier over the years because of the various modifications they made without upgrading the jack.
The Boeing hitmen should unionize.
Love a CEO apologizing about a plane crash as he prioritizes cost cutting and stock buybacks.
Oh hey, a segment where Vaush isn't yelling at the chat the entire time.
That does get kinda tedious
@@DecMurphy chat is so annoying, rare to see them not be that way for single segment
@@DecMurphy The negativity really does affect my mood, even if I try to not let it. In life I noticed that bad attitudes spread like a virus and his aggressiveness has slightly spread into my own political life.
@@tabithal2977I guess if you consider them not agreeing with vaush being annoying, if he really think the arguments of every single person in chat is worthless than he shouldn’t take time engaging.
Like how long did he spend on the « eurocuck » shit last time cause one guy say « actually Germany isn’t a festering shithole » after vaush said Germany was a festering shithole cause 20% of the population voted for AFD which are less far right than Trump in term of policy.
@@DecMurphyand it's chat's fault
Idk bout yall, but I've had enough of the 2nd Gilded Age. Time for the next Teddy Roosevelt to get out his big TrustBusting Stick!
4:52 all those people who died understand the gravity too. It’s what killed them.
That CEO should be in prison for the rest of his life and should never see the light of day. An demanding a fine of 25 billion is too generous it should be $100 billion.
You KNOW its bad, when a CEO its publicly apologising in front of a hearing....
Airbus redesigned their new gen aircraft and Boeing retrofitted old designs that made the planes unbalanced. To compensate, they put in an auto adjust that cause the plane to tip forward in a way that was complicated to undo. Some said that the ability to shutoff the auto dive was an add on feature for more cost.
MCAS wasn't complicated to undo, it just involved disconnecting the automatic trim, but Boeing was relying on pilots recognizing it as a runaway trim event which is a memory item, and the pilots didn't. In addition, they only took data from one AoA sensor at a time which is something you never want to do. The best part is, MCAS only exists so the airlines wouldn't have to give the pilots additional training
Airbus innovates while hyper corporate Boeing can only scramble to keep up.
@@XMysticHerox sticking new engines on an existing airframe isn't exactly innovative, also, the 787 was extremely innovative, but I don't expect people with the "Hurry durr Boeing bad" mentality to accept that
They should start giving YuGiOh’s evil card names to their planes.
it's like people don't even care about the shareholders
Always found weird how much trust was put on a company who's name sounds like a cartoon onomatopoeia
This lizard gets up and gives a hollow apology, and then he goes home to count his money.
His appeal to human emotions is meaningless.
When I became a supervisor; I swore all up and down that if I ever cause some other person harm because of a safety issue I would submit my resignation on the spot. pathetic losers ..
I'm very sorry for the lose of your loved ones but I really wanted a villa in Tuscany and the margins weren't making it to get me that sweet bonus. So I'm sorry, but be conforted that at least now I can enjoy the beautiful italian countryside after I "resign".
This is so bizarre to watch after criminal minds season 10 episode 3-
Loke i know it might be a bit hyperbolic , but truely the correlation between holding power and a loss of soul is very evident
They have become McDonald Douglas in all but name and need to be broken up.
"We understand the gravity... ... while elevating employee engagement.." is mans dropping thematic puns in court?
Man this isn't looking good for a Hello Internet return, I don't think Brady could stomach doing Plane Crash Corner at this time but the pressure from unhinged Tims would be immense
If they understood the gravity, why did the planes crash?
I don't know that much about planes, but from my understanding the issues were thus:
The plane was marketed as having additional capacity and engine power at a similar cost, an obvious benefit to an airline because faster flights with more passengers are more profitable. This led to the design of the plane being slightly unorthodox, the positioning of the wings being changed to accommodate for the additional engines. This led to a tendency for the plane to pitch up more than was typical, but another aspect of the marketing was that it would involve no additional training for people previously trained on other Boeing planes. So, in a classic genius move from the company, they decided to incorporate an additional program into the planes computers that would compensate for this increase in elevation.
The issue of increased elevation was a real one, but if they didn't try to hide it pilots might've been able to compensate. Maybe it just would've been something your boss would mention as you're going on the new plane. "Oh, before you go, I heard from the last guy it was a bit weird on the elevation. You might want to watch out for that."
But instead, by secretly incorporating this software, they decided to take it completely out of the hands of all pilots; such that whether they were extremely experienced or a complete novice, the plane could malfunction and pitch down irreversibly, reliably killing everyone aboard.
Oh and they also cut costs by reducing the time allotted for final inspection before shipping to the airline, and simultaneously cutting corners on manufacturing.
It's like they made the worst decision every time because it made some asshole slightly more money.
Boeing engineers contacting upper management about their concerns: ‘the plane, boss, the plane!’
Non-defeatable automatic flight controls are super dangerous and should absolutely not be legal.
whoever it was that originally ran Boeing as CEO and actually gave a damn about quality over profit, it he ain't dead of old age yet, i'm sure he's rolling in his grave. they never should've [UNALIVED] those whistleblowers; it literally caused a Streisand Effect.
Vaush predicted that Boeing would actually get in trouble this time, that the potential threat to America's military strength would actually motivate the political system to really take on corporate might; however I am not so sure. A big part of the reason we have that military might is because of previous generations of Boeing lobbyists, and those same lobbyists are obviously going to find ways to fight back against accountability. The government may also find that there is a limit to how hard they can swing the hammer of justice, and that it is not enough to shake a big corporation anyway.
If he’s proud of every single decision they made, what did he apologize for?
It not autopilot it's drive by wire imagine your drive a 90s car some changes the suspensions out to a modern car and just augments the inputs so it still feels like your driving a 90s car and it has a wheel speed sensor go out and just doesn't know what to do so it just steers left and you steering wheel does nothing. Basically that. It was an augmented input cluster to save money on a plane that flew completely differently.
Basically what happened was Boeing added a system that made 737 MAX feel like a regular 737 when you fly it, and this was enough to avoid training pilots to pilot 737 MAX’s.
They installed a system, not for safety or necessity, but just to make the plane feel like another one when you’re flying. Ridiculous.
Oooo accountability? Cool. Go to prison immediately. All of you. Youre committed to accountability right???
Vaush you really need to look into the KC-46 program mate
Vaush is not suicidal
I wonder if the CEO is a DEI hire. 🤔
I'm just asking questions, bruh.
Lizards need to work, too.
I saw an article that the Boeing 737's are being handed off to sun country airlines..which means the other name brand commercial flights are probably purchasing better quality planes
Wrong. It was a system designed to auto adjust the different weight of the 737 Max engines. Boeing added tiny winglets at the nose of the aircraft that controlled the auto pilot and a software always interfered with human inputs. In one case these winglets got stuck causing the plane to nosedive without the pilots having any chance to save it.
So it was also negligence on their part in that they knew this was an issue. Why not every plane had it happen was because a variety of sensors on the plane feed the mcas system data on altitude, angle, air speed etc. Many of those systems generally have multiple sensors that each have to correlate with one another such that one sensor alone being faulty doesn't give false data. The issue was they had one faulty sensor trigger the mcas and basically told the system to nosedive into the ground. Most planes are somewhat of an autostabilixed system because of the tail flaps and the Centre of mass. Boeing put bigger engines on the same frame such that they wouldn't have to retrain pilots. That shifted the Centre of mass which is why the added the software to essentially correct for that. Problem is, autopilot is only as good as the data you feed it. Boeing execs should be jailed because fundamentally they knew this was a thing and chose profit. Until we start holding companies actually liable to their actions zero will change.
I can't believe the star of the most famous Christmas movie would do this
it was like HAL pilot
Four seasons of game of thrones is perfect. The novel are amazing
The 5th and 6th seasons have some all time episodes I wouldn’t count those out completely
Generic comment for the algo
Don’t tell me they killed someone for telling on them? I’m asking a question remember that and I haven’t seen the video yet, And I don’t know if I ever will see this video.
We must protect the shareholders!!!
This really helped Boing to stop having its ass kicked by Airbus, huh?
This tho.
boeing is the sound a peanujs makes... 🥳
when it erects
vaush fans got that funny bone in 'em
Wish NASA was well funded...
its my understanding that Boeing sat on their arses for a while, McDonald Douglas came in, used the profits to buy more shares leaving Boeing to fall further behind in product developments.
one day, Airbus became the number one seller and Boeing fell second for the first time in decades.
in order to come back in the game, Boeing had to fit these new engine on the 737 outdated frame.
the engine being too big to fit under the wing ended up forward and higher on the wing causing the nose to go up on acceleration risking stalls and crashes, mostly on take off.
to correct that they put together a raggedy control system but the choices of the 737 was to avoid retraining pilots, that takes days and more per pilot, that would make the plane less interesting to airline companies.
Boeing managed to take control of the FAA and hide the mods on the aircraft. Boeing even had charts on the number of crashes to be expected and so on.
for having been able to bring Boeing back on top and sticking the airline companies with the 737 by the thousands, the CEO of Boeing at the time got a 60 plus million dollard bonus...a well deserved bonus under the circumstances as Boeing is getting away with premeditated murder and billions in the pockets.
I've heard that Boeing also manufactures weapons that are being used by Israel in Gaza😵💫
The third world bush pilots just were having too much fun flogging the powerful engines. No discipline. Couldn't wait until the correct altitude/attitude combination to crack the throttle.
Listening to non aviators talking about this is kinda dumb. Just saying, go check out some aviators when you done with this so you dont become unreasonable scared of flying.
to be faire its still brety save to fly but airbus has the better safty record in speicl for 2000s plus jets
@@anno-fw7xn cheers!
Wearing that t-shirt and talking fashion, woof.
Hehehe
I am early
The third-world bush-pilots were yanking the stick back too hard. Triggering anti-stall. If they DIDN'T have anti-stall, those planes would have still crashed.
Really? Disturbing? Or a normal result of Puritan Work Ethic? Or was it the religion of becoming rich?
Id like just to comment that there is no late stage calitalism and just people deflecting criticism , capitalism ultimate goal alweys was and will be money and lots people paid lives from that , from corporations on saving on materials to safety or training , today its more rrgulated but capitalism is still capitalism , systrm where there is prize on your life and company often will rather kill you if its worth the money.b or let you die if it saves more money then costs of you dying , what people should morr be pissed is shareholding or stocks , where often they consider short gains more , if we save 80mil today its great , so what people will die , by that point they already sold stocks
You uploaded this 17 seconds ago. I need to get off youtube.
Boeing is co producer of the V-22 Osprey which has killed a lot of soildiers in accidents 6:57
And has a lower crash rate per flight hour than the UH-60 Blackhawk
Thankfully Vaush called him "Demon" not "Orc"
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FIRST!!!!!
Last!!!!
First
First like and comment. I'm doing my part o7
It was the people with the funny caps, big crooked 👃 and last names that end with berg, stein or witz.
no views in 22sec fell off
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This is why I don't like DEI
Lol @ leftists losing their minds over one of the best companies in the world 😂
If Boeing is one of the world’s best companies, then we are in deep, deep shit. I mean, if that’s true, I’m terrified to use my toaster.
@@elisawhitman8526 Their planes aren’t any more dangerous than European ones. The 737 has an unparalleled safety record.
Boeing can't even bother getting the good bots.
@@thenormalberries6767Unparalleled, yeah. It's bad without parallel. You can "leftists mad" us all you want, hundreds of people died in that plane crash.
@@faithlessfurry7816You know literally nothing about aviation if you think the 737 is a bad aircraft 😂
If only they had hired more diversely