I do not support the French colonization of Algeria, this is just a video for enjoyment purposes. If you want the maps and resources from the video, support me on Patreon: patreon.com/VidentisHistory
@Videntis, can you do a 3 part Alternate history. 1, What if America actually settled and colonized the territories gained from the Spanish American War. Particularly Cuba and Philippines. 2, What if the British Imperial Federation was successful and English speaking commonwealth had a similar economic relationship as the French in this scenario. 3, This France is keeping an Algeria scenario.
There’s some ENORMOUS glazing of France here. “Yeah, they just made all of west Africa atheist peacefully and also aren’t racist against west african immigrant workers in this timeline”
@@electricangel4488 I think he's trying to say that the scale of the atrocities against the natives does more to delegitimise French rule there than the presence of French settlers does to legitimise French rule in Algeria
They where concidered a terrorist organization by the official governments at the time. They would do shootings and bombings against civilians in the mains cities (Oran and Alger). After the peace treaty and independance was signed in 1962, when the french army didn't have the right to interfer anymore, they celebrated the liberation by killing nearly a thousand europeans (civilians again) and harkis. My great grandfather died that day and my grandmother escaped from FLN supporters who tried to capture and rape her (she was saved by a french military who disobeyed the orders of not protecting the civilians), my grandfather was saved by an arab friend who hid him. I would accept the term "terrorists".
@@randomguy6152 no, obviously not as one kingdom. before the reconquest of the royal domain (after the Hundred Years' War) France's hierarchy was rather composite
@@abarette_ the western portion of the hre that became france was pretty much always the shape it was though I believe youd have to go back to redrawing the treaty of verdun and making francia weaker but then lotharingia would be in a better position and probably wouldnt have fallen. I believe its hard to choose a point where france could possibly be intergrated into the HRE as france was in the perfect position to break away from any power in germany
I would like to add to this thought, what if the kingdom of West Frankia became the HRE I believe East Frankia/Germany was extremely decentralized at the time, and though Frankia was as well, West Frankia/France seemed more manageable, everyone knows the cursed HRE borders If Lothair of France was instead requested by Pope John XII instead of Otto then we could have seen a far more prestigious France and perhaps legitimized their rule over more of the German lands This still wouldnt be your suggestion of France being part of the whole HRE though
Fun fact: The reason De Gaulle gave independence to Algeria despite the military failure of the FLN is because he feared if France kept Algeria, millions of Algerians would move to mainland France and replace the locals with their higher birthrates and ruin the place. Plenty of quotes from De Gaulle shows this, in one of them he even says the greatest service he did to France was to rid it of French Algeria, which he calls "a cancer that was going to be the end of us". Of course the hilarous thing is that what he feared happened regardless.
"de Gaulle got tired and recognized algerian independence" yeah clearly you haven't done your research. changing who the US recognizes during world war 2 does not change the political reality in france itself as de Gaulle was wildly popular and anybody who had anything to do with vichy france was abhorred. and even the wildly popular de Gaulle loses power in the 1950's and is only brought back in an emergency state as the algerian war brought down the 4th republic. This is a truly wild oversimplification and outright dismissal of a whole people's motivations and struggle, the FLN wasn't born out of thin air it came out of decades of political activism and their struggle wasn't only with arms but with diplomacy by earning support for the algerian cause around the world. you also overestimate how much french people felt any connection with a far away land they got no benefit from, the most ardent defenders of the colonies were the colons themselves who were the primary beneficiaries. but even if you want to dismiss what you consider to be some random islamic revolt, even the US did not want the european powers to keep their colonies no matter who was at the head of those powers, if it was "their man" in power then all the more influence they would have had to clear france out of africa so they could have their own influence there. there's so many things wrong with this take i would never have enough time to list each way you are wrong
I appreciate you making an informative video but the title is quite controversial, as an algerian france wanted to keep algeria after 132 years of colonization, killing more than 5 million people and torturing, raping and committing the most horrendous acts of violence against algerians but it failed dismally algerians fought for a over a century to gain their independence, they also put a lot of pressure on france globally by making many allies, even the US and the UK both supported algeria's independence as algeria was one of the first countries to recognize the USA as a sovereign country, so it wasn't on france's hand to keep algeria, algeria won and gain its independence
It was only diplomatically that Algeria gained its independence, because France was not supported internationally and de Gaulle absolutely wanted to avoid an Islamization of France. Ironically for such a proud people, today France is still Islamized by Algerians who come to immigrate en masse. Because Algeria has not developed anything more, except a quasi dictatorship.
@@TesaLegitimusVonAttimeh, not only diplomatically, it was just impossible to hold for a longer time because of the tension there. Also Algeria did achieve a lot of things, looking up at the condition of life of the Arabs and berbers which were purposefully kept very low, after Independence they could finally have access to modern medecine, schooling and free university, infrastructure, no famine and modern housing. It did achieve great things for what it was
@@TesaLegitimusVonAtti Algeria is the most well off state in africa, which is especially impressive considering we had the bloodiest independence war on the continent and a civil war less than three decades later. France also aided in the creation of the civil war through its backing of the FLN which they saw as friendly to their interests, which in turn has led to mass algerian migration to france.
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You said FLN was a terrorist organisation!!!!????? Wtf ... where did you get that from? FLN was a political communist parti , and ALN (army of National liberation) was the armed forces of the party. As it's said FLN was a nationalism movement. Nationalists not religious or ideological one . FLN by ALN lunch at 11/1/1954 one of the biggest military operation of freedom in the 20th century. The colonisation of Algeria by french occupation took more than 132 years from 1830to1962. More than 5,300,00 Algeria killed by the most brutal colonisation of the 20th century . More than 1,500,000 during the liberation war 1954-1962. FLN was supported by URSS -USA -Italy -Egypte -Tunisia -moroco -China .
Great video, my friend, but I'll just point out that in reality, Gabon voted to become a department but got rejected as it was said to be an unworthy and costly region. So, then I guess that it would've been accepted in such timeline.
Good story! A consequence of this system is that China doesn't experience the miraculous growth from the real timeline, as Europe doesn't de-industrialize. In this reality, the arab spring come to be very different. As independant nations such as Tunisia, Lybia and Egypt see their system collapse, French Union forces deploy in the name of ensuring safety and avoiding mass population displacements. Government forces are taken down, with the representatives of the previous systems judged and punished harshly should they refuse to collaborate to the nation's salvation efforts made by the French. Any rebel which do not fold into the French intervention is labelled as terrorist and destroyed mercilessly. France present itself as a third party coming to end the cycle of violence of which previous sides were both responsible for. After the French military secure the terrain and guarantee that no organised armed forces may rise, companies with strong ties with the central government arrive and begin investing in infrastructures often underdevelopped by the previous tyrants. Each time, this wave of construction is used to give jobs to the local population and increase their standard of living. These are made lucrative by opening new markets to the industries of the union, and creating new outlets for the manufactured goods of the Union's core territories. In turn, the increased standard of living, safety and sense that justice was enforced promote the ideas and values of France proper, making integration within the Union easier. This model of expansion is repeated each time a dictatorship is shaken by rebellion or massive unrest. Tunisia, Lybia, Egypt and Sudan would fall to it, as well as Rwanda, Kenya, Somalia. The cycle is maintained somewhat stable by offering to every currently incorporated territory the guarantee that the next wave of expansion will benefit them too. However, as Africa began to become too small for the need of expansion, the French Union begin to look toward the Middle East, or South America, two playing fiels that the United States may consider their turf. Thus, as the 2020's come, a different cold war emerge, with America positioning itself as the champion of liberty and freedom against what is dubbed as Neo-Colonialism.
Wtf is this guy smoking did he just called the resistance against brutal colonizer "terrorists" ? And he called south vietnam a democratic freedom fighter 😭😭
@Videntis.History there is many books ، I assume U can't read arabic soo I recommend history of Algeria after independence by Benjamin Stora franch historain, there is many articles and books by malek bennabi , if U don't feel like reading U can watch movie : la bataille d'alger ,
It wasn’t a regular rebellion or even war. They did do terrorist actions. Atrocities on both sides. The war officially started after the brutal Philippeville massacre, many French woman and children killed while the men were at work. Brutal retaliation attack as well. There was even a Pied noir terrorist organization working against the Algeriens and the French government.
What if the Philippines won the Philippine-American War? What if Anastasia Romanov survived, got exiled to Poland, the Whites won, and became the Tsarina of Russia? (this is heavily based on HOI4 mod Dreams of the White Russian Victory)
FLN is not a terrorist movement it is a nationalist one and I don't know why don't you talk about the 1,5 million Algerian Martyrs killed by the brutal French army in the war of Liberation And also after independence Algeria didn't superset women but they gave them rights to study to work to have thier own property and wearing whatever it likes if it is not impolite And to summarize if France kept Algeria it will be a place of war and apartheid
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I apologize for the ad, but if you understand french, I recommend the channel of the french channel Alterhis and his video on the subject covering the historical plans for an alternate end of the war in Algeria, from integrating all of Algeria into France, to only few cities as Alger and Oran, like Spain with Melilla today. Anyway, good video, I personally believe a dominion system like the UK would have never been applied to french colonies, France colonization system didn't worked like that, either the land was ruled by France directly, like in Algeria, or was ruled indirectly, by local leaders submitted to France's orders, like Morocco, as protectorates. A semi-independent status would have not been considered, That's why for example historically, negotiations at Fontainebleau failed (the last attempt to avoid war in Indochina), France wanted Vietnam to remain in "Union française", basically being ruled by France but indirectly, as protectorates, with the Cochinchine province being a part of France directly, and Hô Chi Min refused obviously. And even with the twist of being ruled in a more conservative way, by Darlan, I don't believe France would have been able to defeat Algerian FNL, especially from the point including She lost the Indochina war already, the Algerian war was lost for socials and international reasons, not by military aspect, the french public opinion was against the war by seeing all the men not coming back from the "contingent" send in Algeria, and the time of colonization was done, France wasn't a great power after the destruction of WW2, and the 2 giants of Ussr and Usa were pressuring for the end of the conflict into Algerian independence, alongside the others countries of the world, and even conservatives of France who rule here would have been forced to give in eventually. Well, I'm just writing too much by now, especially on an alternate history video, it's alternative for a reason after all, and internationals and nationals beliefs and objectives would have changed drastically under an authoritative republic aligned to Usa, but I just wanted to share my point of view as a french unit student. Take care everyone, I hope you upload more Videntis if you read this because I can't get enough of your videos, and I now go back to study more for the exam, don't expect many replies from me, I'm busy, but I'll always be happy to answers questions about the Algerian war or the Colonization from a french aspect, I'm just saying.
I agree. Alterhis video on France keeping Algeria is pretty interesting. However, FLN lost military but won politicaly because of international pressure and public opinion in France who wanted TO END (edit) the war in Algeria. Algeria would have won their indpendance at some point because of huge cultural differences and agreements signed with France But I'd like to know what would have happened if FLN Didn't take the power in Algeria . In my opinion, it's one of the reason Algeria is under-developped today in some aspect (of course it's not the only one). Algeria should be the strongest country in Africa and a powerhouse in the continent. That s a waste
@@Pertchak It's hard to tell. The complete monopoly of power by FLN-descended politicians in nowadays Algeria is certainly one of the causes for its stagnation and corruption. It can be compared to how, in Iran, the Guardians of the Revolution, keep complete control of the country. For FLN to not take power in Algeria would have meant for them to refuse to lead the country right after being the major force behind Algerian independance, when the country was in its most chaotic state. At that time, I think Algerians were preoccupied by securing their independance than by straight up figuring out a solid democratic system. Especially considering that there had never been a basis yet for a modern nation-state construction in Algeria. I think the only scenarion in which they're no longer in power is a scenario in which they do take power after the independance, but then lose dramatically popular support 10-20 years later, and are ousted from power under popular pressure, thus paving the way for new political forces to emerge. But even this wouldn't be the guarantee of things going better. If you look at Tunisia, after they ousted Ben Ali during the arab spring, it seemed like they had built a proper functioning democratic system. Yet, the system collapsed 10 years later, and now the president has de facto taken full power. But a similar scenario could have atleast meant for Algeria to be better developped, atleast
@@haidouk872 Interesting. And yes : I agree with you. I think the prupose of Algerian power at the time was to secure power, order and independance. I fully understand why and you can compare that situation with Spain after Franco's coup d'Etat. The purpose was to stop the chaos in the country after a 10 years long civil war. Hell, China in the 50 s, Russia with Staline went through the same process. Even though a lot of people died, those countries started to develop overtime, accepted to give some freedom to their people (They still were dictatorships) and became relevant again. The main problem with Algeria is their hatred for everyone, especially France and Morroco, the huge corruption in the elite, the lack of infrastructures, even with all what France left in the country. Dictatorship or not, Algeria should be a powerhouse in Africa, because of their natural ressources like oil and gaz. Instead, we have country who live in the past and is the equivalent of an African North Korea. As a french ; I admit : French conquest of Algeria was a mess and was brutal at some point. Mistakes have been made during those times. However, France developed the area alot with hospitals, schools, roads, removed slavery, and the Algerian population grew rapidly during the colonization. Of course, you don't colonize a country to bring good to everyone but to keep your interests safe. But We could have left after a huge massacre and do nothing. Today, France welcomes a lot of Algerians who hate France but go in Europe for better life conditions and highly praise Algeria, even though they would never live there for 3 months.They are born in a system where they are tought to hate France. They even changed their national anthem to add a anti french verse. I pity Algerians. And my Algerian friends in France pity their country as well.
@Pertchak in my experience, those who praise algeria and criticize France the most are the french kids who are children of Algerian parents. Almost all the actual Algerians I meet in France are depressed about the state of their country
@@haidouk872 There is some thruth in what you say. Still, Welcoming people coming from a country where hate for France is taught since their childhood is irresponsible. That creates a huge nest of potential ennemies of your nation inside your country. If you watch their national TV chanel, When they speak about France, it's always in a bad way and insulting way.
Can you please make a video on if Portugal kept some of it's colonies? Smaller colonies easier to maintain control of and integrate such as Guinea-Bissau, Cape Verde, Sao Tome, and Timor-Leste?
De Gaule did not give independence to the Algerians. The independence of Algeria was wrested from the sacrifice of 1.5 million Algerian martyrs, or 1/4 of the Algerian population. The Algerian Army at the time, made up of a few thousand Algerian fighters, had to face 2 million French soldiers supported by 1 million settlers. The Algerian Army was under-equipped (1 rifle for 4 fighters at the start of the war supported by a poor and starving population of 8 million Algerians) against a well-fed French colonial army superior in number and equipped by the armada of NATO and supported by 40 million French mainland citizens. And despite everything, the Algerians ended up triumphing.
0:18 no they did not, it was not critical, and they had special treatment including not fighting during the entire winter season, in the same way the american involvement did nothing but stop France from carving out Germany
Fun fact by Irwin M. Wall, a historian who knows what he's talking about: « It is hard to conceive of a worse outcome than the one de Gaulle managed to produce short of an actual French civil war. His policy resembled that of Nixon in Vietnam, who pursued the Vietnam War longer than Johnson did, and escalated it by bombing Cambodia before bringing it to an end. Similarly, de Gaulle, whom Nixon so much admired, fought longer in Algeria than had the fourth republic and escalated the war in a vain attempt to win it before negotiating peace. »
You don't talk about who was financing and more importantly arming the Algerian FLN, the USA created many groups and gave them everything they needed to destroy France presence in Algeria
Kennedy was very naive to support the FLN despite what happened at Philippeville. The US thought they could create a democratic regime out of the FLN! Irwin Wall's book is a must read of how the US fucked over France in North Africa. It did the same thing in Indochina. Only led to intolerant communists and Islamic extremists.
Première nouvelle, ce sont les Algériens émigrés en France qui ont cotisé au FLN pour acheter des armes, jamais les USA n'ont donné quoi que ce soit en argent et en armes aux combattants algériens
@@anteversus8471 Pauvre ignorant c'est littéralement la CIA qui a financer et fait grossir les rangs du FLN de bout en bout pour affaiblir la France de même en Indochine ou se fut la Chine et l'URSS. En Mai 68 les chefs des groupes étudiants était carrément organiser et de nouveau financer par la CIA, les agents de la CIA avaient d'ailleurs pour instruction de faire tomber de Gaulle en créant tout un tas de mouvement dont celui qui a culminé avec mai 68. La plupart est déclassifier aujourd'hui renseignez vous.
Et si ma grand-mère en avait ça sera pas ma grand-mère avec les si on coupe du bois l Algérie n à jamais été française c était une illusion française l Algérie n à jamais cessé d être algérienne
Rends les routes, les écoles, les hopitaux, les lignes de chemins de fer puis on en reparle. L' Algérien : L'espèce qui déteste un pays dans lequel il vit, et qui adore un pays dans lequel il refuse d'y rester 1 an. L'Algérie est un dépotoir depuis le départ de la France alors qu'elle a suffisemment de ressources naturelles pour être la première puissance d'Afrique. Et garder le seum contre la France est ce qui vous ralentit depuis 62 ans. Mais continuez à hurler que vous êtes "fiers". Personne vous prend au sérieux.
When would they repeal them exactly do they keep the levant and eygpt? And if so how and for how long? Also Would the muslim be fully crushed or do they get persia and the eternal rivalry between rome and persia just continue with a another new name
What if Germany remained in France? Algeria was liberated by force and the determination of its children who love their country to the core. Algeria has never wronged another country or another party, so its history is more honorable than all the hypocrites.
@@Videntis.History I think your understanding of things is very superficial. Can we say that the French soldiers who were transferred from Algeria to France to Germany were Algerians? The same thing applies to the period you are talking about.
I think Darlan would have kept mild anti-semetic laws or there would have at least been some anti-Semitic feeling in Darlan’s new lands in the late 1900s. Darlan would support Muslim causes in the late 50s and early 60s. At first, he’d be pro-American at the start of the Cold War but then drift away. He’d support Nassar initially but then fall out with him in the next decade. Many things would be delayed or not happen at all. Darlan would be anti-interventionist and use the other nations to do his bidding. America would fight the Vietnam war earlier. I think Darlan would promote a more patriotic, Christian state, rather than a secular or atheist one.
I doubt it, in this scenario, i think the Singaporean scenario would happen or something similar, because of demographic fears since there would be no visa restrictions to go to metropolitan france, it's likely france would kick them out in some way.
Well, France actually wanted to keep Algeria, but wasn't able to. Hypothetically, if France kept Algeria, it would have faced the problems that they wanted to avoid by not actually keeping the revolted nation: - Mass Migration of Algerians, who would have a French citizenship (imperative condition to keep Algeria in this Hypothetical scenario). That would lead to the a huge identity crisis, and eventually chaotic events in the hexagon itself. - France would have to spend massively into Algeria (imperative condition to keep Algeria in this Hypothetical scenario), without a guarantee of success on one hand. On the other hand it would weaken the French economy and power during a very competitive period of time. - Strong military presence due to the ongoing guerrillas warfare, and to the mass protests that won't stop, even if the France managed to "control" the revolution, That would lead necessarily to human rights violation in the era of the UN "ruling" and would interestingly strengthen the nationalism of Algerians, and also weaken the French, and make them seems like a pariah nation, like what heppened in South Africa or more recently in Palestine. At the end of the day France would have to leave Algeria anyway, even if it stayed another 20 years, it would be just more weakened that it was in 1962. We would have won anyway 😂
Not really.. thats like saying Algerians now are doing worse than Palestinians or black south africans. Algerians were NOT given equal rights as the French in Algeria. And when they demanded equal rights/french citizenship they were killed in mass. France also lied multiple times like when they promised Algerians that if they help them in world war 2 they’ll give them independence.. and when they won and Algerians were celebrating with the french and asking for independence, France killed 45k Algerians in a matter of a month
When the brits colonized countries it was mostly about trade and business they stole yes but they were not that atrocious. France on the other hand committed massive genocides in algeria, mali, niger, vitenam
Only against those who resisted, otherwise no interest to be so atrocious. In other way, for centuries, the Pirates of Algiers kidnapped Europeans and made them slaves. The French have also stopped this ignominy.
@@Ethnogoblin Left-Wing France wanted to a civilizing mission in external policies. The Right-Wing cared more about internal policies of the country, or the revanchism against Germany later.
This video illustrates well my main beef with your videos. They are well made and entertaining, that's certain. There is a lot of work behind and it shows. But in pretty much every alt-hist video, the country who is the focus of the alt-hist scenario has everything going perfectly for it, ignoring completely all the obstacles, constraints, negative consequences, and reality of impossible things. It's like whoever is the focus gets to play with cheat codes on. And it automatically makes these scenario feel goofy and a bit childish. Which is a shame, because there is a lot of quality in the way you deliver those scenarios. For example, in this scenario, I think it's a shame that you didn't really try to explore "how" France would have won the war in the first place. The explanation in this video seems to be "victory is achieved thanks to more repression and even more brutal war, and thanks to American support, and afterwards all the Algerians are happy to progressively become secular under France rule", which really sounds silly. It's highly debatable if being more violent would have been even possible in the first place, since the war was unpopular within France itself in the first place. And USA would have never supported France, even with "their man", since they were heavily supporting decolonization in order to break up the power of the colonial empires and assert their own hegemony within the western sphere. And even if France could have been more violent, this would have just made the terrorist attacks of the FLN even more violent, and rallied even more Algerians against France, thus making the war even longer and even more of a strain on France. Even if France was to eventually triumph, the Algerian resentment would be much higher than before the war. And they would not trust any French initiative to give them full citizenship in exchange for securalizing. Firstly because when people feel opressed by a hostile regime, they'll tend to embrace even stronger their religious/cultural identity. And secondly because the official discourse before the war was already that Algerians had citizenship rights, while de facto they were just second-class discriminated citizens, and thus they'd have even less reasons to trust France now. Anyway, the French settlers in Algeria would have always refused a situation in which the Algerian natives had as much rights as them, because they were scared of being completely overtaken democraphically and politically within Algeria. The situation before the war was already in an unsustainable deadlock. But this scenario where France stays after even more brutality would only make the situation even worse. And I don't think France would have managed to keep all its other colonies. In real life, France kinda gave up on all its other colonies, under the pressure, in order to focus fully on Algeria and keep it (which, as we know, failed). In a scenario where France uses even more resource on this war and loses even more time, it's even less likely that it would have managed to keep its other colonies. But even if it, the final bilan of your video sounds highly problematic to me. I understand that, like for all your alt-hist scenarios, you want things to end all well and great for the target country, but in this case, you basically sent the message that "everything would have been better for French-ruled Africa if it stayed under French rule". Which is both problematic and not true. Anyway, I guess that you get the idea. There are a lot of things that aren't great with this scenario, with all the simplistic shortcuts and the disapperance of all the problems and consequences. And while it's particularly present in this one, it's also an issue that tends to appear in most if not all of your alt hist. And I really think that this holds your channel down, considering how your videos are of high quality. Unfortunately the quality of the scenarios doesn't match yet the quality of the videos, in my honest opinion. And I hope you'll be able to improve this aspect of your videos in the future :)
yeah, not looking for how, this would have DRASTIC and HORRIBLE consequences on the entirety of africa, with the frensh african neo colonial empire being strenghened, potentially causing countries like libya to be even more militarist
@@Videntis.History yeah I know, I do recognize what the FLN did but their actions were part of a broad anti-colonialism movement and their cause was legitimate. They just employed bad tactics that I condemn but I don't think they deserve to be called a terrorist organization.
@@Videntis.HistorySo you agree that France was also a "terrorist state" by this very same definition right? After all, they killed significantly more women and children than FLN ever did
im sad that Spain and Italy didnt get to have their expansion in NA, they had a very solid opportunity to do that, specially Spain with the liberation of Morocco they coulve have conquer them and assimilated them with Franco.
So you’re sad that Spain and Italy couldn’t conduct forced assimilations and acculturation of native people of North Africa ? Yeah I don’t need to k word what is wrong with you I already do
@@inkusquidusquid1673 bro im talking about this specifical scenario, it is just map painting, and probably Spain and Italy would assimilate them as Spain did in Americas, Spain had with Franco a legal system in which the africans in guinea ecuatorial couldnt be mistreated, they had the same protection as a minor had, but with adult privililegies. So we can presume the north africans in morocco could have the same protection, and not live under the Shäria law which made all of the women suffer there. Spain was one of the countries who treated the best their overseas territories, no other country on earth was as polite as them.
@@nadri3335Honestly Libya would likely become something akin to an Italian greater homeland, like Canada , it would likely become a majority white Italian country due to how few people live in Libya and could even be a part of modern italy
@@inkusquidusquid1673North African natives were already assimilated multiple times, i don't see why you painted it like it's the first time, berbers already lost their majority at that time.
I do not support the French colonization of Algeria, this is just a video for enjoyment purposes. If you want the maps and resources from the video, support me on Patreon: patreon.com/VidentisHistory
Thanks For this! Keep up the good work ❤❤❤
I don't support you
@Videntis, can you do a 3 part Alternate history.
1, What if America actually settled and colonized the territories gained from the Spanish American War. Particularly Cuba and Philippines.
2, What if the British Imperial Federation was successful and English speaking commonwealth had a similar economic relationship as the French in this scenario.
3, This France is keeping an Algeria scenario.
There’s some ENORMOUS glazing of France here. “Yeah, they just made all of west Africa atheist peacefully and also aren’t racist against west african immigrant workers in this timeline”
@Kidd-In-Charge Why should they love a foreign yoke?
Least Francophile Videntis video.
I'm waiting for "what if Portugal keeps its colonies "
That's a cool one
Todos nós lusitanos queremos este vídeo
if you want to help me, I would love to make that a video
I fully support this, btw any Spanish videos?
That would be a very cool video.
14:10 is when the dementia kicked in
It's about time this ALT HIST is made.
Algeria was governed not as a colony but as a of France and had a major French population.
they also committed atrocities to the non french population which far outweighed the french population living in algeria
@@taner873 eum how can you compare the consept of "crimes one a population" too "the amound of a population"? I seriously dont understand
@@electricangel4488 i seriously don’t understand your comment in the slightest
@@taner873 oke so how are atrocities on the algerians (which i get are bad),,, like.... related too there being french people there?
@@electricangel4488 I think he's trying to say that the scale of the atrocities against the natives does more to delegitimise French rule there than the presence of French settlers does to legitimise French rule in Algeria
How tf do you call people terrorists who are trying to liberate their own country?
Because they oppose the goverment
Cause he rasisit
They where concidered a terrorist organization by the official governments at the time. They would do shootings and bombings against civilians in the mains cities (Oran and Alger). After the peace treaty and independance was signed in 1962, when the french army didn't have the right to interfer anymore, they celebrated the liberation by killing nearly a thousand europeans (civilians again) and harkis.
My great grandfather died that day and my grandmother escaped from FLN supporters who tried to capture and rape her (she was saved by a french military who disobeyed the orders of not protecting the civilians), my grandfather was saved by an arab friend who hid him.
I would accept the term "terrorists".
You can be both but Algeria doesn’t rate being a nation
@@Juan-qu4oj talk with people like you like talk to crazy man he never gona understand you
"What if France was integrated inside the HRE?" Would be a cool video.
as 1 kingdom? they'd dominate the hre or break apart from it
@@randomguy6152 no, obviously not as one kingdom. before the reconquest of the royal domain (after the Hundred Years' War) France's hierarchy was rather composite
@@abarette_ the western portion of the hre that became france was pretty much always the shape it was though I believe youd have to go back to redrawing the treaty of verdun and making francia weaker but then lotharingia would be in a better position and probably wouldnt have fallen. I believe its hard to choose a point where france could possibly be intergrated into the HRE as france was in the perfect position to break away from any power in germany
I would like to add to this thought, what if the kingdom of West Frankia became the HRE
I believe East Frankia/Germany was extremely decentralized at the time, and though Frankia was as well, West Frankia/France seemed more manageable, everyone knows the cursed HRE borders
If Lothair of France was instead requested by Pope John XII instead of Otto then we could have seen a far more prestigious France and perhaps legitimized their rule over more of the German lands
This still wouldnt be your suggestion of France being part of the whole HRE though
THIS
No way…I suggested this! I can’t believe you actually this into a video!
Did you really call FLN terrorists ?
yup
@siyacer that's like calling free France terrorists
@@mohamedrafik2237 the French resistance never put bombs in a bar that was frequented by mostly women and children.
@@Twasforthevine based fln
@@algerian_ex_christian you're 13 and it shows lol.
Fun fact: The reason De Gaulle gave independence to Algeria despite the military failure of the FLN is because he feared if France kept Algeria, millions of Algerians would move to mainland France and replace the locals with their higher birthrates and ruin the place.
Plenty of quotes from De Gaulle shows this, in one of them he even says the greatest service he did to France was to rid it of French Algeria, which he calls "a cancer that was going to be the end of us".
Of course the hilarous thing is that what he feared happened regardless.
yeah buddy millions of algerians totally moved to the French mainland.
@@Prussian_man 1.6 million to be precise.
Charles De Gaulle was foreshadowing over 50 years in advance?
@@TheRatOnFire_ one 🤓 two your promoting a racist talking point so stfu
@The_whales This is what great statesmen must be able to do: they have to imagine what the future will be like at least in the span of 50 years. 😏
Videntis deserves 1M subscribers for the work he is putting out
I'm waiting for "What if Britain kept it's Empire"
Hell nah
Many people have already made that
Israel has more cannon fodder
best world ever.
UK will be Brownie empire
It was fun to work with you videntis, Lele21
And then France accepts the Euro and half of Africa uses it! Algeria into the EU lets go!
yessir!!! algerian euro!!!
the EU here wouldn't exist, since the European coal and steel community wouldn't form thanks to France having massive amounts of ressources
O great more immigrants 😑
@@electricangel4488 well even though you hate us at least you recognise atrocities against us as bad... its something I guess
@MohammedAli-hl4mr does me not liking immigrants transelate too me hating somebody?
"de Gaulle got tired and recognized algerian independence" yeah clearly you haven't done your research. changing who the US recognizes during world war 2 does not change the political reality in france itself as de Gaulle was wildly popular and anybody who had anything to do with vichy france was abhorred. and even the wildly popular de Gaulle loses power in the 1950's and is only brought back in an emergency state as the algerian war brought down the 4th republic.
This is a truly wild oversimplification and outright dismissal of a whole people's motivations and struggle, the FLN wasn't born out of thin air it came out of decades of political activism and their struggle wasn't only with arms but with diplomacy by earning support for the algerian cause around the world. you also overestimate how much french people felt any connection with a far away land they got no benefit from, the most ardent defenders of the colonies were the colons themselves who were the primary beneficiaries.
but even if you want to dismiss what you consider to be some random islamic revolt, even the US did not want the european powers to keep their colonies no matter who was at the head of those powers, if it was "their man" in power then all the more influence they would have had to clear france out of africa so they could have their own influence there.
there's so many things wrong with this take i would never have enough time to list each way you are wrong
Ok thanks for the fair comment. I’m new to the whole topic so do you have any books you recommend reading so I can educate myself better? 🙏
I like how De Gaulle is on the thumbnail but he dies offscreen
I appreciate you making an informative video but the title is quite controversial, as an algerian france wanted to keep algeria after 132 years of colonization, killing more than 5 million people and torturing, raping and committing the most horrendous acts of violence against algerians but it failed dismally algerians fought for a over a century to gain their independence, they also put a lot of pressure on france globally by making many allies, even the US and the UK both supported algeria's independence as algeria was one of the first countries to recognize the USA as a sovereign country, so it wasn't on france's hand to keep algeria, algeria won and gain its independence
Im not endorsing the French colonization of Algeria but I get where you are coming from
It was only diplomatically that Algeria gained its independence, because France was not supported internationally and de Gaulle absolutely wanted to avoid an Islamization of France. Ironically for such a proud people, today France is still Islamized by Algerians who come to immigrate en masse. Because Algeria has not developed anything more, except a quasi dictatorship.
@@TesaLegitimusVonAttimeh, not only diplomatically, it was just impossible to hold for a longer time because of the tension there. Also Algeria did achieve a lot of things, looking up at the condition of life of the Arabs and berbers which were purposefully kept very low, after Independence they could finally have access to modern medecine, schooling and free university, infrastructure, no famine and modern housing. It did achieve great things for what it was
@@TesaLegitimusVonAtti Algeria is the most well off state in africa, which is especially impressive considering we had the bloodiest independence war on the continent and a civil war less than three decades later. France also aided in the creation of the civil war through its backing of the FLN which they saw as friendly to their interests, which in turn has led to mass algerian migration to france.
@@darkdestroyerza2381 The richest country in Africa is South Africa (401 billion) then Nigeria (395 billion), then Egypt (358 billion).
Wtf you saying
0:50
Future videos suggestions:
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the first one is a story not a scenario and the last one would change little expect make the British whinge
You said FLN was a terrorist organisation!!!!?????
Wtf ... where did you get that from?
FLN was a political communist parti , and ALN (army of National liberation) was the armed forces of the party.
As it's said FLN was a nationalism movement.
Nationalists not religious or ideological one .
FLN by ALN lunch at 11/1/1954 one of the biggest military operation of freedom in the 20th century.
The colonisation of Algeria by french occupation took more than 132 years from 1830to1962.
More than 5,300,00 Algeria killed by the most brutal colonisation of the 20th century .
More than 1,500,000 during the liberation war 1954-1962.
FLN was supported by URSS -USA -Italy -Egypte -Tunisia -moroco -China .
this channel is a classic west propaganda channel, calling Muslims fighting for their freedom "terrorists".
They weren't communists, they were socialists at best.
classic west calling people fighting for their freedom "terrorists"
the FLN was not communist.
Great video, my friend, but I'll just point out that in reality, Gabon voted to become a department but got rejected as it was said to be an unworthy and costly region. So, then I guess that it would've been accepted in such timeline.
Definitely be using this scenario for one of my alt hist scenarios! Good job! I think it’d be realistic
Go for it!
@ it’s part of my world where Confederates won the Civil War
Good story!
A consequence of this system is that China doesn't experience the miraculous growth from the real timeline, as Europe doesn't de-industrialize.
In this reality, the arab spring come to be very different. As independant nations such as Tunisia, Lybia and Egypt see their system collapse, French Union forces deploy in the name of ensuring safety and avoiding mass population displacements. Government forces are taken down, with the representatives of the previous systems judged and punished harshly should they refuse to collaborate to the nation's salvation efforts made by the French. Any rebel which do not fold into the French intervention is labelled as terrorist and destroyed mercilessly. France present itself as a third party coming to end the cycle of violence of which previous sides were both responsible for.
After the French military secure the terrain and guarantee that no organised armed forces may rise, companies with strong ties with the central government arrive and begin investing in infrastructures often underdevelopped by the previous tyrants. Each time, this wave of construction is used to give jobs to the local population and increase their standard of living. These are made lucrative by opening new markets to the industries of the union, and creating new outlets for the manufactured goods of the Union's core territories.
In turn, the increased standard of living, safety and sense that justice was enforced promote the ideas and values of France proper, making integration within the Union easier.
This model of expansion is repeated each time a dictatorship is shaken by rebellion or massive unrest. Tunisia, Lybia, Egypt and Sudan would fall to it, as well as Rwanda, Kenya, Somalia. The cycle is maintained somewhat stable by offering to every currently incorporated territory the guarantee that the next wave of expansion will benefit them too. However, as Africa began to become too small for the need of expansion, the French Union begin to look toward the Middle East, or South America, two playing fiels that the United States may consider their turf. Thus, as the 2020's come, a different cold war emerge, with America positioning itself as the champion of liberty and freedom against what is dubbed as Neo-Colonialism.
Wtf is this guy smoking did he just called the resistance against brutal colonizer "terrorists" ? And he called south vietnam a democratic freedom fighter 😭😭
Another great video bro
I am Algerian , and I tell to recheck ur saureces about Algeria post independence bec they very wrong , or U just checking western saureces
Fair enough, are there any books you recommend?
@Videntis.History there is many books ، I assume U can't read arabic soo I recommend history of Algeria after independence by Benjamin Stora franch historain, there is many articles and books by malek bennabi , if U don't feel like reading U can watch movie : la bataille d'alger ,
Man give us the part 3 for Alexander's conquest and love your videos man
How can You call Algerian Terrorist if they were being colonized by France ??
It wasn’t a regular rebellion or even war. They did do terrorist actions. Atrocities on both sides. The war officially started after the brutal Philippeville massacre, many French woman and children killed while the men were at work. Brutal retaliation attack as well. There was even a Pied noir terrorist organization working against the Algeriens and the French government.
@ France colonized Algeria and wanted to take over the country Algerian defended back against colonialism how is this terrorist attacking?
What about an Anglosphere video? That would be quite cool 😁
Great video
What if the Philippines won the Philippine-American War?
What if Anastasia Romanov survived, got exiled to Poland, the Whites won, and became the Tsarina of Russia? (this is heavily based on HOI4 mod Dreams of the White Russian Victory)
Tsaritsa*
15:15 This is as blessed of a world as your Crusade and Roman Britain videos!
FLN is not a terrorist movement it is a nationalist one and I don't know why don't you talk about the 1,5 million Algerian Martyrs killed by the brutal French army in the war of Liberation
And also after independence Algeria didn't superset women but they gave them rights to study to work to have thier own property and wearing whatever it likes if it is not impolite
And to summarize if France kept Algeria it will be a place of war and apartheid
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One thing I've always wanted to see was a world where the United Kingdom of Portugal and Brazil survived as a Lusophone Trans Atlantic state.
I apologize for the ad, but if you understand french, I recommend the channel of the french channel Alterhis and his video on the subject covering the historical plans for an alternate end of the war in Algeria, from integrating all of Algeria into France, to only few cities as Alger and Oran, like Spain with Melilla today.
Anyway, good video, I personally believe a dominion system like the UK would have never been applied to french colonies, France colonization system didn't worked like that, either the land was ruled by France directly, like in Algeria, or was ruled indirectly, by local leaders submitted to France's orders, like Morocco, as protectorates. A semi-independent status would have not been considered, That's why for example historically, negotiations at Fontainebleau failed (the last attempt to avoid war in Indochina), France wanted Vietnam to remain in "Union française", basically being ruled by France but indirectly, as protectorates, with the Cochinchine province being a part of France directly, and Hô Chi Min refused obviously.
And even with the twist of being ruled in a more conservative way, by Darlan, I don't believe France would have been able to defeat Algerian FNL, especially from the point including She lost the Indochina war already, the Algerian war was lost for socials and international reasons, not by military aspect, the french public opinion was against the war by seeing all the men not coming back from the "contingent" send in Algeria, and the time of colonization was done, France wasn't a great power after the destruction of WW2, and the 2 giants of Ussr and Usa were pressuring for the end of the conflict into Algerian independence, alongside the others countries of the world, and even conservatives of France who rule here would have been forced to give in eventually.
Well, I'm just writing too much by now, especially on an alternate history video, it's alternative for a reason after all, and internationals and nationals beliefs and objectives would have changed drastically under an authoritative republic aligned to Usa, but I just wanted to share my point of view as a french unit student. Take care everyone, I hope you upload more Videntis if you read this because I can't get enough of your videos, and I now go back to study more for the exam, don't expect many replies from me, I'm busy, but I'll always be happy to answers questions about the Algerian war or the Colonization from a french aspect, I'm just saying.
I agree. Alterhis video on France keeping Algeria is pretty interesting. However, FLN lost military but won politicaly because of international pressure and public opinion in France who wanted TO END (edit) the war in Algeria.
Algeria would have won their indpendance at some point because of huge cultural differences and agreements signed with France
But I'd like to know what would have happened if FLN Didn't take the power in Algeria . In my opinion, it's one of the reason Algeria is under-developped today in some aspect (of course it's not the only one).
Algeria should be the strongest country in Africa and a powerhouse in the continent. That s a waste
@@Pertchak It's hard to tell. The complete monopoly of power by FLN-descended politicians in nowadays Algeria is certainly one of the causes for its stagnation and corruption. It can be compared to how, in Iran, the Guardians of the Revolution, keep complete control of the country.
For FLN to not take power in Algeria would have meant for them to refuse to lead the country right after being the major force behind Algerian independance, when the country was in its most chaotic state. At that time, I think Algerians were preoccupied by securing their independance than by straight up figuring out a solid democratic system. Especially considering that there had never been a basis yet for a modern nation-state construction in Algeria.
I think the only scenarion in which they're no longer in power is a scenario in which they do take power after the independance, but then lose dramatically popular support 10-20 years later, and are ousted from power under popular pressure, thus paving the way for new political forces to emerge.
But even this wouldn't be the guarantee of things going better. If you look at Tunisia, after they ousted Ben Ali during the arab spring, it seemed like they had built a proper functioning democratic system. Yet, the system collapsed 10 years later, and now the president has de facto taken full power. But a similar scenario could have atleast meant for Algeria to be better developped, atleast
@@haidouk872 Interesting. And yes : I agree with you. I think the prupose of Algerian power at the time was to secure power, order and independance.
I fully understand why and you can compare that situation with Spain after Franco's coup d'Etat. The purpose was to stop the chaos in the country after a 10 years long civil war. Hell, China in the 50 s, Russia with Staline went through the same process. Even though a lot of people died, those countries started to develop overtime, accepted to give some freedom to their people (They still were dictatorships) and became relevant again.
The main problem with Algeria is their hatred for everyone, especially France and Morroco, the huge corruption in the elite, the lack of infrastructures, even with all what France left in the country.
Dictatorship or not, Algeria should be a powerhouse in Africa, because of their natural ressources like oil and gaz. Instead, we have country who live in the past and is the equivalent of an African North Korea.
As a french ; I admit : French conquest of Algeria was a mess and was brutal at some point. Mistakes have been made during those times.
However, France developed the area alot with hospitals, schools, roads, removed slavery, and the Algerian population grew rapidly during the colonization. Of course, you don't colonize a country to bring good to everyone but to keep your interests safe. But We could have left after a huge massacre and do nothing.
Today, France welcomes a lot of Algerians who hate France but go in Europe for better life conditions and highly praise Algeria, even though they would never live there for 3 months.They are born in a system where they are tought to hate France. They even changed their national anthem to add a anti french verse.
I pity Algerians. And my Algerian friends in France pity their country as well.
@Pertchak in my experience, those who praise algeria and criticize France the most are the french kids who are children of Algerian parents. Almost all the actual Algerians I meet in France are depressed about the state of their country
@@haidouk872 There is some thruth in what you say.
Still, Welcoming people coming from a country where hate for France is taught since their childhood is irresponsible. That creates a huge nest of potential ennemies of your nation inside your country.
If you watch their national TV chanel, When they speak about France, it's always in a bad way and insulting way.
Can you please make a video on if Portugal kept some of it's colonies? Smaller colonies easier to maintain control of and integrate such as Guinea-Bissau, Cape Verde, Sao Tome, and Timor-Leste?
De Gaule did not give independence to the Algerians. The independence of Algeria was wrested from the sacrifice of 1.5 million Algerian martyrs, or 1/4 of the Algerian population. The Algerian Army at the time, made up of a few thousand Algerian fighters, had to face 2 million French soldiers supported by 1 million settlers. The Algerian Army was under-equipped (1 rifle for 4 fighters at the start of the war supported by a poor and starving population of 8 million Algerians) against a well-fed French colonial army superior in number and equipped by the armada of NATO and supported by 40 million French mainland citizens. And despite everything, the Algerians ended up triumphing.
Of course he didn't. This is basic knowledge that anyone who actually read a couple of books about the subject would know.
Are you going to do a what if Spanish protectorate in Morocco survived well at least the northern zone hope it doesn't sound boring?
0:18 no they did not, it was not critical, and they had special treatment including not fighting during the entire winter season, in the same way the american involvement did nothing but stop France from carving out Germany
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Hi, I really enjoyed the video and also "in a day" do what if the british empire survived with some colonies in africa
Fun fact by Irwin M. Wall, a historian who knows what he's talking about: « It is hard to conceive of a worse outcome than the one de Gaulle managed to produce short of an actual French civil war. His policy resembled that of Nixon in Vietnam, who pursued the Vietnam War longer than Johnson did, and escalated it by bombing Cambodia before bringing it to an end. Similarly, de Gaulle, whom Nixon so much admired, fought longer in Algeria than had the fourth republic and escalated the war in a vain attempt to win it before negotiating peace. »
You don't talk about who was financing and more importantly arming the Algerian FLN, the USA created many groups and gave them everything they needed to destroy France presence in Algeria
Kennedy was very naive to support the FLN despite what happened at Philippeville. The US thought they could create a democratic regime out of the FLN! Irwin Wall's book is a must read of how the US fucked over France in North Africa. It did the same thing in Indochina. Only led to intolerant communists and Islamic extremists.
@@the19thcentury81 l’Algérie n’est pas un pays islamique
Première nouvelle, ce sont les Algériens émigrés en France qui ont cotisé au FLN pour acheter des armes, jamais les USA n'ont donné quoi que ce soit en argent et en armes aux combattants algériens
@@anteversus8471 SI, apparemment la CIA aidé le FLN depuis le Maroc. Moi aussi j'y croyais pas mais c'est vrai
@@anteversus8471 Pauvre ignorant c'est littéralement la CIA qui a financer et fait grossir les rangs du FLN de bout en bout pour affaiblir la France de même en Indochine ou se fut la Chine et l'URSS. En Mai 68 les chefs des groupes étudiants était carrément organiser et de nouveau financer par la CIA, les agents de la CIA avaient d'ailleurs pour instruction de faire tomber de Gaulle en créant tout un tas de mouvement dont celui qui a culminé avec mai 68. La plupart est déclassifier aujourd'hui renseignez vous.
14:09 bro has dementia💀 bro has dementia💀
Cool la vidéo.
that 4:55 jumpscare tho 💀💀💀
Et si ma grand-mère en avait ça sera pas ma grand-mère avec les si on coupe du bois l Algérie n à jamais été française c était une illusion française l Algérie n à jamais cessé d être algérienne
Tg
Rends les routes, les écoles, les hopitaux, les lignes de chemins de fer puis on en reparle.
L' Algérien : L'espèce qui déteste un pays dans lequel il vit, et qui adore un pays dans lequel il refuse d'y rester 1 an.
L'Algérie est un dépotoir depuis le départ de la France alors qu'elle a suffisemment de ressources naturelles pour être la première puissance d'Afrique.
Et garder le seum contre la France est ce qui vous ralentit depuis 62 ans. Mais continuez à hurler que vous êtes "fiers". Personne vous prend au sérieux.
What if Japan became christian?
He did that video alreadyn
Day 29 on what if the Byzantines repelled the arab invasions
When would they repeal them exactly do they keep the levant and eygpt? And if so how and for how long? Also Would the muslim be fully crushed or do they get persia and the eternal rivalry between rome and persia just continue with a another new name
I wish I could watch the video but RUclips decided to put on an automated audio translation and the tracks tab doesn't show.
I gotta disable that, sorry
What if the British Empire survived? British Imperial Federation is a good video?
What if Germany remained in France? Algeria was liberated by force and the determination of its children who love their country to the core. Algeria has never wronged another country or another party, so its history is more honorable than all the hypocrites.
Imao
wrong, Algeria was a massive pirate hub where they stole, raped, and pillaged for hundreds of years, so you are objectively wrong
@@Videntis.History I think your understanding of things is very superficial. Can we say that the French soldiers who were transferred from Algeria to France to Germany were Algerians? The same thing applies to the period you are talking about.
Please do one where britain keeps at least some of its empire
pretty sure song at the start is "Marechal, nous voila!"
Nice video, sir. Video suggestion, what if everything went perfect for Austrian Empire.
I have an interesting ideea, you should make an video about "what if krakow reunified poland in 19 century
I think Darlan would have kept mild anti-semetic laws or there would have at least been some anti-Semitic feeling in Darlan’s new lands in the late 1900s. Darlan would support Muslim causes in the late 50s and early 60s. At first, he’d be pro-American at the start of the Cold War but then drift away. He’d support Nassar initially but then fall out with him in the next decade. Many things would be delayed or not happen at all. Darlan would be anti-interventionist and use the other nations to do his bidding. America would fight the Vietnam war earlier. I think Darlan would promote a more patriotic, Christian state, rather than a secular or atheist one.
AND IF FRENCH ALGERIAN 10 MILLIONS IN FRANCE KEEP FRALGERIE....
just an hour ago i searched the title of this video
Lore of What if France kept Algeria? Momentum 100
Very fascinant 👏 🔥 👏 🔥
Algeria won against France and Europe, which supported it, except for Næzi Germany💚, which supported Algeria before the revolution
what if france revived byzantium
Good 😃 😃 😃
The crusades part 3, the video reached the number of likes.
Algerians only wanted equal footing, to be French citizens with full rights. Had France accepted that, it would have been different.
You should do what if Britain kept some of its empire
My grandfather whould have been promoted, thats all i know
Com licença você teria outros canais que também estão cientes da atualização de dublagem no RUclips gostaria de acompanhar
I doubt it, in this scenario, i think the Singaporean scenario would happen or something similar, because of demographic fears since there would be no visa restrictions to go to metropolitan france, it's likely france would kick them out in some way.
Well, France actually wanted to keep Algeria, but wasn't able to.
Hypothetically, if France kept Algeria, it would have faced the problems that they wanted to avoid by not actually keeping the revolted nation:
- Mass Migration of Algerians, who would have a French citizenship (imperative condition to keep Algeria in this Hypothetical scenario). That would lead to the a huge identity crisis, and eventually chaotic events in the hexagon itself.
- France would have to spend massively into Algeria (imperative condition to keep Algeria in this Hypothetical scenario), without a guarantee of success on one hand. On the other hand it would weaken the French economy and power during a very competitive period of time.
- Strong military presence due to the ongoing guerrillas warfare, and to the mass protests that won't stop, even if the France managed to "control" the revolution, That would lead necessarily to human rights violation in the era of the UN "ruling" and would interestingly strengthen the nationalism of Algerians, and also weaken the French, and make them seems like a pariah nation, like what heppened in South Africa or more recently in Palestine.
At the end of the day France would have to leave Algeria anyway, even if it stayed another 20 years, it would be just more weakened that it was in 1962.
We would have won anyway 😂
9:12 democratic south my ass, south Vietnam was known to be a brutal dictatorship.
The good endin- I mean... great video!! Keep it up
(To clarify, this scenario is NOT based! Secular France bad)
DEUS VULT! Reform the Kingdom of the Franks! 🫡✊🏻
Yes, I absolutely despised the Secularism pushed by this France.
Ironically, this timeline would've probably been way better for Algeria.
Not really.. thats like saying Algerians now are doing worse than Palestinians or black south africans. Algerians were NOT given equal rights as the French in Algeria. And when they demanded equal rights/french citizenship they were killed in mass. France also lied multiple times like when they promised Algerians that if they help them in world war 2 they’ll give them independence.. and when they won and Algerians were celebrating with the french and asking for independence, France killed 45k Algerians in a matter of a month
What if Britain remained a 3rd power in the cold war
When the brits colonized countries it was mostly about trade and business they stole yes but they were not that atrocious. France on the other hand committed massive genocides in algeria, mali, niger, vitenam
Only against those who resisted, otherwise no interest to be so atrocious. In other way, for centuries, the Pirates of Algiers kidnapped Europeans and made them slaves. The French have also stopped this ignominy.
Because France was more about assimilation then making profit they were lossing money on their colonys
@@Ethnogoblin Left-Wing France wanted to a civilizing mission in external policies. The Right-Wing cared more about internal policies of the country, or the revanchism against Germany later.
Lol cope, Britain's colonial nations were draconian censorship states
You don't know Indian Subcontinent for said British were not atrocious
Why are you ignoring amazigh if there is no arab presence we dominate culturally
If the Portuguese story was perfect? day 5❤
Thanks for czech translate. Do you want czech audio recording?
It would have been interesting if the French were Catholic. I think it would have been better for Algeria in the long term to continue with France.
Calling people fighting for their freedom "terrorists"
Idk why but i like you
The reel stories began in 16 century, France tried to colonize this countries 3 centered before et it never stop tryng
Interesting scenario. I wonder if this France is somewhat politically Europe's South Korea.
so this is unironically
Africa: the Blessed Ending?
Oui :)
Can you do a what If North Africa remain Christian. Like when the Abbasid’s take over from the umayyads a Christian kingdom revolts in Tunisia.
😂😂😂
they would speak African romance
What a grimm and horrible nightmare of a timeline 🤢☣️
This video illustrates well my main beef with your videos.
They are well made and entertaining, that's certain. There is a lot of work behind and it shows.
But in pretty much every alt-hist video, the country who is the focus of the alt-hist scenario has everything going perfectly for it, ignoring completely all the obstacles, constraints, negative consequences, and reality of impossible things. It's like whoever is the focus gets to play with cheat codes on. And it automatically makes these scenario feel goofy and a bit childish. Which is a shame, because there is a lot of quality in the way you deliver those scenarios.
For example, in this scenario, I think it's a shame that you didn't really try to explore "how" France would have won the war in the first place. The explanation in this video seems to be "victory is achieved thanks to more repression and even more brutal war, and thanks to American support, and afterwards all the Algerians are happy to progressively become secular under France rule", which really sounds silly.
It's highly debatable if being more violent would have been even possible in the first place, since the war was unpopular within France itself in the first place. And USA would have never supported France, even with "their man", since they were heavily supporting decolonization in order to break up the power of the colonial empires and assert their own hegemony within the western sphere.
And even if France could have been more violent, this would have just made the terrorist attacks of the FLN even more violent, and rallied even more Algerians against France, thus making the war even longer and even more of a strain on France.
Even if France was to eventually triumph, the Algerian resentment would be much higher than before the war. And they would not trust any French initiative to give them full citizenship in exchange for securalizing. Firstly because when people feel opressed by a hostile regime, they'll tend to embrace even stronger their religious/cultural identity. And secondly because the official discourse before the war was already that Algerians had citizenship rights, while de facto they were just second-class discriminated citizens, and thus they'd have even less reasons to trust France now.
Anyway, the French settlers in Algeria would have always refused a situation in which the Algerian natives had as much rights as them, because they were scared of being completely overtaken democraphically and politically within Algeria.
The situation before the war was already in an unsustainable deadlock. But this scenario where France stays after even more brutality would only make the situation even worse.
And I don't think France would have managed to keep all its other colonies. In real life, France kinda gave up on all its other colonies, under the pressure, in order to focus fully on Algeria and keep it (which, as we know, failed). In a scenario where France uses even more resource on this war and loses even more time, it's even less likely that it would have managed to keep its other colonies.
But even if it, the final bilan of your video sounds highly problematic to me. I understand that, like for all your alt-hist scenarios, you want things to end all well and great for the target country, but in this case, you basically sent the message that "everything would have been better for French-ruled Africa if it stayed under French rule". Which is both problematic and not true.
Anyway, I guess that you get the idea. There are a lot of things that aren't great with this scenario, with all the simplistic shortcuts and the disapperance of all the problems and consequences. And while it's particularly present in this one, it's also an issue that tends to appear in most if not all of your alt hist. And I really think that this holds your channel down, considering how your videos are of high quality. Unfortunately the quality of the scenarios doesn't match yet the quality of the videos, in my honest opinion. And I hope you'll be able to improve this aspect of your videos in the future :)
fair enough, if you want to write a scenario, feel free to and I will turn your more realistic one into a video
What if Novgorod united Russia?
776 views in 29 minutes? Yeah, bro actually did kinda fall off, I guess these types of comments aren't always just troll comments
France's demographics wouldn't be any different than they are in OT and thats probably the saddest thing about OT
They'd be even worse...
France would be a more multiracial nation which is a good thing, don't know why you alt-righters think diversity is bad?!
More ethnically diverse here but more culturally homogeneous
yeah, not looking for how, this would have DRASTIC and HORRIBLE consequences on the entirety of africa, with the frensh african neo colonial empire being strenghened, potentially causing countries like libya to be even more militarist
Calling the FLN a terrorist organization at the start is wild.
Au contraire
just because France was bad doesnt mean the FLN didnt murder innocent people as well
@@Videntis.History yeah I know, I do recognize what the FLN did but their actions were part of a broad anti-colonialism movement and their cause was legitimate. They just employed bad tactics that I condemn but I don't think they deserve to be called a terrorist organization.
@@Videntis.HistorySo you agree that France was also a "terrorist state" by this very same definition right? After all, they killed significantly more women and children than FLN ever did
@@Videntis.History I'm sorry to say this, but you don't seem well versed with the subject.
what if napoleon didn’t take a shit during his conquests?
im sad that Spain and Italy didnt get to have their expansion in NA, they had a very solid opportunity to do that, specially Spain with the liberation of Morocco they coulve have conquer them and assimilated them with Franco.
So you’re sad that Spain and Italy couldn’t conduct forced assimilations and acculturation of native people of North Africa ? Yeah I don’t need to k word what is wrong with you I already do
@@inkusquidusquid1673 bro im talking about this specifical scenario, it is just map painting, and probably Spain and Italy would assimilate them as Spain did in Americas, Spain had with Franco a legal system in which the africans in guinea ecuatorial couldnt be mistreated, they had the same protection as a minor had, but with adult privililegies. So we can presume the north africans in morocco could have the same protection, and not live under the Shäria law which made all of the women suffer there. Spain was one of the countries who treated the best their overseas territories, no other country on earth was as polite as them.
@@inkusquidusquid1673you're really annoying
@@nadri3335Honestly Libya would likely become something akin to an Italian greater homeland, like Canada , it would likely become a majority white Italian country due to how few people live in Libya and could even be a part of modern italy
@@inkusquidusquid1673North African natives were already assimilated multiple times, i don't see why you painted it like it's the first time, berbers already lost their majority at that time.
It's a shame that France has left Africa 😢
What if the Portuguese Monarchy wasn’t overthrown?
I stopped the video when you said an Algerian terrorist organisation
What if Britain kept India? Or what if Britain kept Canada?
You completly ignored amazigh kayble. Chaoi, tuareg etc