Great video Jason! Will you cover the new Aeroad CF SLX // CFR and the Dogma F anytime soon? This comparison series is one of the my favourites on youtube ! best wishes from Canada
Hey! I appreciate it. I am currently working on the canyon aeroad and the madone Gen 7 but all press bike from both companies are out at the moment. Obviously my sized channel doesn’t even register on their pecking order 😂 I am confident I can get my hands on the new aeroad in the next 2 months though. Canyon have been good to me. Pinarello on the other hand are another ball game. I have been turned down by them a lot! Try to contact them again every now and then but still get nothing. I’m going to say it. I think they are a bit up their own arse from my experience, as beautiful as their bikes are.
I'm enjoying this series a lot. Your direct comparisons of the bike you're reviewing to the bikes you've already ridden is something that big YT channels/magazine hint at, but don't deliver on. Great stuff.
I want to keep going to try and build this big list. It’s of course subjective but hopefully provide a good expectation of the experience of riding each bike
Great review, looking to upgrade my venge disc for one soon. Should be at least 5-600g difference which will be nice. Agree with you on the paint, will be getting a custom job done 👌🏻
it might seem like hyperbole but this review is pretty on point. i have both a Madone SLR Gen 6 and a Tarmac SL8 and i'll concur with essentially each finding, particularly the handling. I had been on the Madone for so long that i was it was almost an odd feeling to be able to adjust line on the SL8 when really attacking corners. There is a sensation difference in straight line rolling speed - the Madone "feels" faster but speed / power numbers don't indicate a shift. It's almost like how tires that are over inflated "feel" faster despite the opposite being true on most road surfaces. The SL8 is WAY less susceptible to being blown around in crosswinds, that may be a factor in the straight line feeling by not having to consciously correct the bike?
I am glad they are inspiring! I appreciate the kind words. I am trying to get my hands on one. All the press bikes are out at the moment and trying to call individual shops but having no luck
I'd love to see how this bike compares to the aethos since both are only about 200g apart in terms of total bike weight. You can get an aethos for far cheaper on the used market than you can an sl8 though
J’ai eu le choix en 2023 soit un sl8 sworks ou un sl7 sworks dura ace 12 s. J’ai pris le sl7 car c’est juste un vélo plus beau que le sl8 ,surtout en taille 58! Le miens a la potence claqué il est absolument magnifique,je lui ai mis un pédalier et plateaux cybrei full carbone,6,9kg complet avec support compteur,porte bouteille,pedales (look carbon ceramic). C’est un vélo absolument génial qui a changé ma façon de rouler et le petit plus du sl8 ne me fera pas passer sur son design que je trouve mauvais.
I am with you. The sl7 is a far more attractive bike. And like I said on the video, it’s not really worth the upgrade to the sl8 from the 7. The sl7 is still better than any other bike I have ridden.
Great review. I have just ordered an SL7 SW’s at a good price. In terms of the SL8 having an ‘Aethos like’ rear triangle and BB I think this might be an issue for some riders coming off the SL7 and going to the SL8. I own an Aethos and an out going Emonda SLR and I would say the Emonda accelerates more quickly up a climb compared to the Aethos. I put this down to some flex in the rear of the Aethos (btw, I ran both bikes with the same Bontrager Aeolus RSL37 climbing wheels). The Aethos has other benefits tho. Anyway, I guess I’ll find out once my SL7 is up and running and then ride my mates SL8 which he has on order as a comparison….
i wonder if you'd notice much difference in the non s-works versions. I also gotta wonder what they're going to do with the SL9. It's already light enough.
your mentioning the bb being "stiff" but I have heard that it is NOT stiff when putting down the power and has quite some flex. Us taller guys always have more flexy bikes than the manlets riding 54s and smaller due to the size of the triangles so if a reviewer is on a small saying its stiff that will not automatically translate to an adults size bike lol. Obviously I havent ridden one yet so cant comment but thats the thing im the most picky about, were riding road bikes here not full suspension mtb, there gonna buzz and vibrate a bit but the last thing I wanna do is ride a flexy bb/rearstays regardless how compliant it is.
The fork for sure is definitely stiffer. It’s the only bike I have been on so far where I don’t get brake rub from fork flex out the saddle. The BB area feels like it works with you. If you go to my shark analogy on the climbing section it just seems to work with you. The rear does flex but in a positive timing and forward translation way. It’s very hard to describe but easier to feel.
I have S-Works SL7 Dura Ace and S-Works SL8 new SRAM RED. I’ve done 200km on the SL8 and 10,000km on the SL7. They are very different but too early to say one is better. Both fabulous though. SL7 more Venge-like, SL8 more nimble. Review to follow!
Nice video as always , honest review 👌im not a fan of these bulgy head tubes also , iv got a 3t strada and the new one is like the tarmac , horrible bulgy head tube definitely not a good look
I have been lucky enough to ride a few bikes recently and I still get it even from the same frame but with the 12s, + it happens on sram drive as well. (Same sl7 frame) I am personally convinced it’s the fork flex as it just happens on almost every bike for me when out the saddle. But I am still happy to be proven otherwise. It’s been about 3.5 years since I have ridden the sl6 so take this as a distant memory. I think if you still love riding the sl6, it’s probably not worth it. The sl6 still felt fast and flicky up the hills and had a lot of energy when riding it. Maybe if you want some aero gains though for faster speed on the flats I think it would be worth it. + who doesn’t love a new bike. On another note, I enjoyed the paint jobs of the sl6 and sl7 over the sl8 paint jobs
I think the more aerodynamic a bike is the harder it feels to lean over since at speed the air is basically stabilizing it. Just a very broad non scientific theory but I think the bikes that are easier to lean over are not as aero as their counterparts, if you equal out the geometry and such
It’s an interesting thought. One I can’t comment on myself. I do know that your magazine has only found an about a 4 - 6 watt difference at 45kmh compared to an aeroad or madone (gen 7). I don’t feel like 5w is detectable by the human body but maybe it does for bike lean? I am still of the belief it’s down to the bike design, wheels and geometry
@@cyclingunboxed That's good to hear, and my guess was, too. We have pretty similar body measurements. There's a size 58 SL7 I've been eyeing. I agree with you that an SL8 with a stack of spacers looks pretty bad. That is my biggest issue with SL8. It's not a good-looking bike for larger sizes. Great review overall, well done!
I would say it's part of an attractive bike. As I said on the video, the Gen 7 Madone and Aeroad turn heads because well, they look good. I also believe that most people like seeing their bike as they ride past in the shop window (this is what I called it this category) . In my eyes, this bike is less attractive to look at than those others because of its overall shape. I would 100% argue that part of deciding which bike to buy is; is it attractive to you? does it make you feel good when you ride it? do you like to look at it when you pass it in your house? That's what the shop window category is about. does that clarify a bit more as to why its in my review?
SL7 looks better to me but I would rather have the SL8, mostly over the headset situation. The SL8 felt closest to my SL4 than anything I had ridden or owned since. I know it will get harder and harder to get parts for the SL4 but man what a ride.
A few people mention this in my videos on other bikes but never in person. I think it’s my shorter body making the bike look a bit more cramped. As soon as I sit on a size 60 bike it’s way too long for me and the head tube sites far too high. I’m quite flexible for my height and like the drop.
Unfortunately the best I can do is try and get across what the frame feels like underneath you and provide what the experience is like to ride the bike. If I wanted to be objective I would need some serious data collection that wouldn’t be viable due to changing conditions such as air temp, density, road surface, wet/ dry roads, gyro sensors for vibration and ride smoothness. As much as I would love some objective measures, they just wouldn’t be accurate. I will leave aero and stuff to Tour magazine.
Looks ugly af tbh. The line is old and boring and the sniffer just makes it ugly af. And of course everybody who owns sl8 says it's better then sl7. They have to somehow justify they bought overpriced version of the same bike, just with ugly front
Maybe they will make the sl9 more attractive. Could be part of their plan! In all fairness to the bike, as I said in my conclusion, it was better. Only marginally though and I would personally spend the money to upgrade. No denying it’s frame weight as well. I think that’s a big achievement for a bike that only measures 5w slower at 45kmh than the new aeroad on Tour magazines testing.
@@cyclingunboxed I think a lot of the feelings you had are due to different wheels and tires. Love you honest review but I gotta admit you missed one important point. Your SL7 looks waaaay better
Great video Jason! Will you cover the new Aeroad CF SLX // CFR and the Dogma F anytime soon? This comparison series is one of the my favourites on youtube ! best wishes from Canada
Hey! I appreciate it.
I am currently working on the canyon aeroad and the madone Gen 7 but all press bike from both companies are out at the moment.
Obviously my sized channel doesn’t even register on their pecking order 😂
I am confident I can get my hands on the new aeroad in the next 2 months though. Canyon have been good to me.
Pinarello on the other hand are another ball game. I have been turned down by them a lot! Try to contact them again every now and then but still get nothing.
I’m going to say it. I think they are a bit up their own arse from my experience, as beautiful as their bikes are.
I'm enjoying this series a lot. Your direct comparisons of the bike you're reviewing to the bikes you've already ridden is something that big YT channels/magazine hint at, but don't deliver on. Great stuff.
I want to keep going to try and build this big list. It’s of course subjective but hopefully provide a good expectation of the experience of riding each bike
Great review, looking to upgrade my venge disc for one soon. Should be at least 5-600g difference which will be nice. Agree with you on the paint, will be getting a custom job done 👌🏻
Such a great looking bike the venge.
Would be interested to see what paint job you end up with
Would LOVE to see a comparison with a Factor Ostro can 2.0
Another bike I want to get my hands on. I have always liked the look of it
it might seem like hyperbole but this review is pretty on point. i have both a Madone SLR Gen 6 and a Tarmac SL8 and i'll concur with essentially each finding, particularly the handling. I had been on the Madone for so long that i was it was almost an odd feeling to be able to adjust line on the SL8 when really attacking corners. There is a sensation difference in straight line rolling speed - the Madone "feels" faster but speed / power numbers don't indicate a shift. It's almost like how tires that are over inflated "feel" faster despite the opposite being true on most road surfaces. The SL8 is WAY less susceptible to being blown around in crosswinds, that may be a factor in the straight line feeling by not having to consciously correct the bike?
It’s a good analogy with the tyre pressure! I think I may use that one in the future as most of us understand that now
Love your reviews! Every time I watch them.. wanna go for a ride :) Can you please review Trek Madone SLR Gen 8?
I am glad they are inspiring! I appreciate the kind words.
I am trying to get my hands on one. All the press bikes are out at the moment and trying to call individual shops but having no luck
I'd love to see how this bike compares to the aethos since both are only about 200g apart in terms of total bike weight. You can get an aethos for far cheaper on the used market than you can an sl8 though
J’ai eu le choix en 2023 soit un sl8 sworks ou un sl7 sworks dura ace 12 s.
J’ai pris le sl7 car c’est juste un vélo plus beau que le sl8 ,surtout en taille 58! Le miens a la potence claqué il est absolument magnifique,je lui ai mis un pédalier et plateaux cybrei full carbone,6,9kg complet avec support compteur,porte bouteille,pedales (look carbon ceramic).
C’est un vélo absolument génial qui a changé ma façon de rouler et le petit plus du sl8 ne me fera pas passer sur son design que je trouve mauvais.
I am with you. The sl7 is a far more attractive bike. And like I said on the video, it’s not really worth the upgrade to the sl8 from the 7. The sl7 is still better than any other bike I have ridden.
Great review. I have just ordered an SL7 SW’s at a good price. In terms of the SL8 having an ‘Aethos like’ rear triangle and BB I think this might be an issue for some riders coming off the SL7 and going to the SL8. I own an Aethos and an out going Emonda SLR and I would say the Emonda accelerates more quickly up a climb compared to the Aethos. I put this down to some flex in the rear of the Aethos (btw, I ran both bikes with the same Bontrager Aeolus RSL37 climbing wheels). The Aethos has other benefits tho. Anyway, I guess I’ll find out once my SL7 is up and running and then ride my mates SL8 which he has on order as a comparison….
I own both, sl8 for sure
i wonder if you'd notice much difference in the non s-works versions. I also gotta wonder what they're going to do with the SL9. It's already light enough.
It’s a good question. Would definitely have to be done with the same components I think
Can you review the Aethos?
Yes! I can get my hands back on one. Won’t be this month but middle of next month. I have put it in the diary
your mentioning the bb being "stiff" but I have heard that it is NOT stiff when putting down the power and has quite some flex. Us taller guys always have more flexy bikes than the manlets riding 54s and smaller due to the size of the triangles so if a reviewer is on a small saying its stiff that will not automatically translate to an adults size bike lol. Obviously I havent ridden one yet so cant comment but thats the thing im the most picky about, were riding road bikes here not full suspension mtb, there gonna buzz and vibrate a bit but the last thing I wanna do is ride a flexy bb/rearstays regardless how compliant it is.
The fork for sure is definitely stiffer. It’s the only bike I have been on so far where I don’t get brake rub from fork flex out the saddle.
The BB area feels like it works with you. If you go to my shark analogy on the climbing section it just seems to work with you.
The rear does flex but in a positive timing and forward translation way. It’s very hard to describe but easier to feel.
100% agree. Sl8 only looks good slammed.
The head tube bulge rectifies the recall on the sl7
It does, doesn't it. I believe Peak Torque did quite a good video explaining this subject.
superbe vidéo !
You should try the new aeroad and make a vidéo about how it feel !
Thx :)
I am currently working it!
I am struggling to get my hands on one right now but hopefully in the next month I can
Nice, you are the best
enjoy mate
I have S-Works SL7 Dura Ace and S-Works SL8 new SRAM RED. I’ve done 200km on the SL8 and 10,000km on the SL7. They are very different but too early to say one is better. Both fabulous though. SL7 more Venge-like, SL8 more nimble. Review to follow!
I look forward to hearing if you have similar conclusions
Like Doug DeMuro for bikes. Subscribed.
Ah, someone has clocked on to it!
It’s who I got the idea from!
Nice video as always , honest review 👌im not a fan of these bulgy head tubes also , iv got a 3t strada and the new one is like the tarmac , horrible bulgy head tube definitely not a good look
Have you done a review on the Scott foil RC?
No, not yet.
It has been requested quite a lot now so I am going to try and approach them today.
Rubbing of breaks….think it improved with Shimano 12x. Not sure, it is the fork. Would you switch from SL6 to SL8?
I have been lucky enough to ride a few bikes recently and I still get it even from the same frame but with the 12s, + it happens on sram drive as well. (Same sl7 frame)
I am personally convinced it’s the fork flex as it just happens on almost every bike for me when out the saddle. But I am still happy to be proven otherwise.
It’s been about 3.5 years since I have ridden the sl6 so take this as a distant memory.
I think if you still love riding the sl6, it’s probably not worth it. The sl6 still felt fast and flicky up the hills and had a lot of energy when riding it.
Maybe if you want some aero gains though for faster speed on the flats I think it would be worth it. + who doesn’t love a new bike.
On another note, I enjoyed the paint jobs of the sl6 and sl7 over the sl8 paint jobs
@@cyclingunboxed thx for the info!! Who does not love a new bike…I apply the n+1 rule. But garage starts getting crowded again 😂
😂 it’s a rule that works well! Just got to spend the time explaining to others why you need 5 bikes
@@cyclingunboxed 8 at the moment 😂😂😂
I think the more aerodynamic a bike is the harder it feels to lean over since at speed the air is basically stabilizing it. Just a very broad non scientific theory but I think the bikes that are easier to lean over are not as aero as their counterparts, if you equal out the geometry and such
It’s an interesting thought. One I can’t comment on myself.
I do know that your magazine has only found an about a 4 - 6 watt difference at 45kmh compared to an aeroad or madone (gen 7).
I don’t feel like 5w is detectable by the human body but maybe it does for bike lean?
I am still of the belief it’s down to the bike design, wheels and geometry
Hey man, can I ask how tall you are and which size you decided on?
Looks like a 58 to me, which would make him around 6 foot 2inch
I am 192cm / 6ft 4
This is size 58
I have very long legs and a shorter body
@@cyclingunboxed im also 192cm tall but have more of a longer body with shorter legs. Would you still recommend size 58?
What’s the spec?Dura Ace or SRAM (new or old RED)
Current gen dura ace on this one (r9270)
I’d take the new Scott Foil RC pro
Another bike I want to get my hands on. One I have always liked the look of
@@cyclingunboxed I would love to hear a review if you’re able to get your hands on a bike
Is it a size 58? I'm 6ft 2, so I'm between a 58 and 61.
im 6ft 1 and looking at the geo the 56 sl8 is the size id go for to get for me and I ride a 58 in trek madone and 58 sueprsix evo.
This one here is size 58. Same as my sl7
I have a shorter body and very long legs so a 61 gets too long for me
I am 192cm / 6ft 4
@@cyclingunboxedhi there. Same size and same doubt . On trek emonda I have a 60 and wondering if souls be better sworks 58 or 61 for me
What length of stem do you have on your SL7?
I have 110 but in hindsight I should have waited for the 120 to come back into stock for my position
@@cyclingunboxed That's good to hear, and my guess was, too. We have pretty similar body measurements. There's a size 58 SL7 I've been eyeing. I agree with you that an SL8 with a stack of spacers looks pretty bad. That is my biggest issue with SL8. It's not a good-looking bike for larger sizes. Great review overall, well done!
Looks being subjective, i think the sl8 looks better, due to slender rear end and rounnder top tube
5:02
A lower score because you feel less adored?? Is this an important aspect of cycling for you?
I would say it's part of an attractive bike. As I said on the video, the Gen 7 Madone and Aeroad turn heads because well, they look good. I also believe that most people like seeing their bike as they ride past in the shop window (this is what I called it this category) . In my eyes, this bike is less attractive to look at than those others because of its overall shape.
I would 100% argue that part of deciding which bike to buy is; is it attractive to you? does it make you feel good when you ride it? do you like to look at it when you pass it in your house?
That's what the shop window category is about.
does that clarify a bit more as to why its in my review?
SL7 looks better to me but I would rather have the SL8, mostly over the headset situation. The SL8 felt closest to my SL4 than anything I had ridden or owned since. I know it will get harder and harder to get parts for the SL4 but man what a ride.
@@MrHallTV I’ve had a SL4, and now have a SL6 (crashed) and a SL7. SL4 good bike, SL6 the playfull one, SL7 the clinical one (but fast)
It looks kind of small on you imho
A few people mention this in my videos on other bikes but never in person.
I think it’s my shorter body making the bike look a bit more cramped. As soon as I sit on a size 60 bike it’s way too long for me and the head tube sites far too high.
I’m quite flexible for my height and like the drop.
Tarmac fanboy - it's clearly a great bike but this doesn't come across as being at all objevtive
Unfortunately the best I can do is try and get across what the frame feels like underneath you and provide what the experience is like to ride the bike.
If I wanted to be objective I would need some serious data collection that wouldn’t be viable due to changing conditions such as air temp, density, road surface, wet/ dry roads, gyro sensors for vibration and ride smoothness.
As much as I would love some objective measures, they just wouldn’t be accurate. I will leave aero and stuff to Tour magazine.
🤌🤌 😂
I think this will become a frequent feature
Looks ugly af tbh. The line is old and boring and the sniffer just makes it ugly af. And of course everybody who owns sl8 says it's better then sl7. They have to somehow justify they bought overpriced version of the same bike, just with ugly front
Maybe they will make the sl9 more attractive. Could be part of their plan!
In all fairness to the bike, as I said in my conclusion, it was better. Only marginally though and I would personally spend the money to upgrade.
No denying it’s frame weight as well. I think that’s a big achievement for a bike that only measures 5w slower at 45kmh than the new aeroad on Tour magazines testing.
@@cyclingunboxed I think a lot of the feelings you had are due to different wheels and tires. Love you honest review but I gotta admit you missed one important point. Your SL7 looks waaaay better