A public proposal is a darned good opportunity to embarrass the person you're importuning, without notice, to change your relationship permanently. Why do people never think of how embarrassing it is for the victim? No sympathy for Mr Fantasy.
@@chaosspy6723 regardless people record everything now, if they record the proposal and post it online, they can paint you out to be the bad person and your image will be ruined all over the internet. It’s just an uncomfortable situation overall.
@chiomorii and? it's not like that'll affect your job or family so who cares? plus it's the internet, it'll be over once the next political leader does anything. plenty of people are rejected and the event is recorded but doesn't go viral. the chance of that happening is pretty slim.
Dude, I feel SO bad for OP. I’m also confused where her best friend got the idea of them being together, like…I mean if I were in her situation and my friend just up and proposed to me, I’d be wildly uncomfortable and confused out of my mind
The delulu to think you're in a relationship with someone you never even held hands with, nor talked about dating?? Like for sure you gotta do at least one of the two. Crazy
Yeah OP isn’t wrong. If there’s no touchy-feely/ romantic stuff going on, then she’s entitled to not accept his proposal. She also shouldn’t entertain or even bother responding to his 4-5 paragraphed essays…I applaud her, because I don’t have the patience for this guy’s foolishness
@@hlalelanimugabe Yeah, ik that. I’m gonna assume she was beating around the bush, because in case you haven’t noticed, women are getting deleted for simply rejecting a guy. So while I do agree, she should’ve been upfront about it, the friend has some work to do with himself. If he truly “loved” her (OP) he should’ve been upfront himself (about his feelings for her), instead of springing this on her outta nowhere
I mean everyone is entitled to reject a proposal for every possible reason, including no reason at all, you don't need to marry someone... But how the frick did he think they were in a relationship when they never even held hands?? Like whaaaat?
Jordan refused to answer when the logic of his belief was questioned and he seemed entirely convinced that they were together. It was also sudden and seemingly came out of nowhere. This is typical for a person going through psychosis. I feel bad for him.
This story reminds me of the one where it was something like OPs bestfriend mentions something about a one year anniversary and never asked her out because he was scared of rejection, so he just tried to force her into a relationship
I read a story similar with proposing and in the end it was because he decided he wanted to date op and decided they were dating and that if he forced it then op would feel pressured to admit they were dating and even had told all their common friends beforehand they were dating and the common friends didnt even question it I think the guy is just an incel who thinks any woman being nice to him is asking him out
SHAME ON PEOPLE WHO PROPOSE IN PUBLIC without having a firm romantic relationship with someone who has constantly affirmed that they want to get married with them. You propose to someone knowing that they will say yes bc you both have already talked about it and you’re both sure. You cannot get angry at someone for rejecting the proposal also.
Cray cray! Dude had WAY too much alone time on his hands. And MATURE?!? Marriage is based on shared goals and expectations, that bear a lot of talking out. Without it, ambush public proposals NEVER work.
I may be reaching, but this to me sounds like he was flunking all his classes and grasped at anything that would count as a win, so he could go back home to parents without feeling like a complete failure - especially if they paid a lot of money for the tuition and there were huge consequences for not succeeding. He clearly became so desperate that he didn't even see the reality and was counting on a yes despite doing absolutely nothing to even initiate a date, let alone to acquire her consent to marry. It would explain why it came out of nowhere, especially if he wasn't really paying attention to his grades or if he was deluding himself into thinking he was passing when he wasn't. And even her saying no is still a win, because he can now go back home and say a broken heart is why he dropped out instead of admitting his grades were crap
This honestly sounds like a mental breakdown to me. Maybe he wanted to be in a relationship with op but stressed over asking her out. I wonder if he was flunking school too? Maybe it was all too much and he really just suffered a mental break. The fact that he shies away from logical questions to ruminate in his "grief" and humiliation also suggests a mental break to me.
I also think men thinking women want to be friends with them is women friendzoning them and they can convince and twist their way out of that. Like No sir. Keep the friendship as it is. Being a friend is not an invitation of trying your way to become more than that! Really pathetic.
I'll just say this. A friend of mine who is a pastor that I've known decades is married & he'll tell you that marriage won't solve your problems. He said in fact, it'll amplify it. Nick Vujicic who is also married & motivational speaker said, if you're not happy when you're single then you won't be when you're. Many couples who have been married for decades will tell you this as well. Kevin Gerald said that a misconception is that being in a relationship will complete you. He said that it takes 2 mature people to make a mature relationship not 2 halfway mature people. He didn't do this to offend anyone, but to tell people the reality of the situation. P.S I've never been married & I don't have kids, but what I'm quoting is from experts
I think she should tell his family, find out what they know about them “being together” and what he has told them. He sounds mentally ill in some way, and needs help with whatever is going on in his head.
In the very first story, Jordan just proposed to her because he wanted to put on a spectacle in front of everyone, and by him doing this he knew that it would exactly put a whole lot of pressure on the main protagonist. Jordan really doesn't even know anything about her, and plus he is moving way to quickly also. For starters their not even in a relationship at all. So what is he really doing? She must feel completely humiliated because he literally put her on the spot by doing something so ridiculous like that in front of a whole crowd of strangers. The main protagonist shouldn't even be friends with him anymore and furthermore when she returns to her college campus she should definitely ask her RA for a entirely new roommate. I say just forget him and move on; as a matter of fact, he seriosly owes her a huge apology for embarrassing her like that. It's like when I tell my friends who are women that I love them, I always mean this in a friendship type of way, but unfortunately a few of them think that I am actually in love with them when I never said that at all. Jordan has both Limerence and Emophiliia which are both conditions that cause him to fall in love with her quickly and he is craving the exact same thing back from her, but she is not returning those feelings at all. I love you my friend!! Have a great day, Good night from me!! Stay safe!! I love those headphones!!
She said their hometowns are completely different and that she’s from a big city; maybe he was raised in a very conservative area where dating after marriage is a normal thing, perhaps making him mistaking think they were romantically involved. That, or Ellen is right and he might have a disorder causing him to misread social cues Edit: after reading the updates, he probably has a different disorder that is not completely related to social cues but related to delusions
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The fact that he dropped out and moved away says a lot. I think that clearly indicates some mental crisis. This man is really doing the most even though nobody thought they were dating. How bizarre.
the first story made me glad that my best friend angel nvr tried this on me, he told me twice that he had a crush on me and also asked if my mom would consider me dating a person with asperger's that could care for himself, in my head i was like uh you may be able to take care of yourself but can you take care of me too? probably not so uhm yea that's not happening (i also have aspergers and an auto-immune disease so yea i need a guy that can not only provide for himself but also for me cuz with my health i'm not really able to work) anyway yea that first story made glad Angel didn't try that on me.
I think you need new friends op. Cause, this guy thought you broke up with him even though you didn't even know your in an a relationship. If I'm gonna make a guess that your friend thought that your friendship means that both of you and your friend is dating. All because, of his delusions.
This is a classic example of people who are emotionally and socially immature. He has been around her for two years and noticed she hasn't had any serious romantic relationships and therefore assumed he was it. If she would have had one boyfriend during that time, he would have backed off. Still not her fault. The male/female friend dynamic is very complexed and dangerous because no two are alike. One thing is always the same, one is more attracted to the other. So if you have an opposite sex bf and you don't find them attractive or never hold hands AND you don't date anyone else and neither does your bf, You're next! Lol....
I really want more updates. I'm concerned this guy is having some kind of psychotic break. If I were her, if he has a family member I know he has a good relationship with, I would tell them.
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I know everyone is saying they feel bad for OP and I do but I also feel so bad for the guy. If there is something genuinely wrong with him and he thought they were together imagine how heartbroken he must be. I really do hope he’s alright
This is an old story. Women almost always underestimate the level of romantic/sexual interest their men friends have in them, while men almost always overestimate the same. The woman is happy that she has essentially a male girlfriend who she can go and do single girl things with. The man is happy that he's got a woman who he can enjoy things with. They spend a lot of time together and he develops feelings while she's either oblivious or deliberately ignoring his emotions. I've seen this happen time and time again, but not to the extent of a ring and a proposal. That's another thing: marriage proposals should be done in private, not in public. A public marriage proposal is a crude way of putting pressure on someone to accept. That's not going to end well, whether the proposal is accepted or not. That particular shame is on him. He completely invented a fantasy relationship and then convinced himself that it was real.
You can’t blame her for him inventing a relationship in his head when all they were is just friends… i have had plenty of female friends throughout my life but had no desire to date or marry any of them, they were good friends just not my types romantically… this guy seems like he would have latched onto anyone that showed him the slightest bit of interest… it is a huge leap from a platonic friendship to a marriage proposal
Nah I think he's completely delusional. They never even held hands together in public, never talked about a relationship even once, but he thought they were in a relationship good enough to propose. Totally delusional.
Bro no this is not a normal thing. If people develop feelings for their friends they say something. It is so explicitly clear when people are just friends and it is possible to literally just be friends. The way she described it, there wasn't even play flirting they were JUST friends. There's no leading on or being oblivious, we do not always underestimate anything people make it clear, this guy is just making up a fantasy in his head
I get that we have a long way to go as a species and as couples in trying to understand another but geez. Expressing love as men is performative, "Sure i'll hang out, yes i'll do that for you no charge, I'll pay for it don't worry about it. Putting in time, money and effort to get what is a woman's Love i.e. A life mate, a cheerleader & supporter and place to rest and recharge, someone that may bring forth his/their future generations. A woman's love does not come first, meaning she just doesn't show up and does thoes things above, but a mans love does come first, its what he was "doing" and no, the woman doing the same thing isn't seen as reciprocating. Her love which he seeking comes second and after putting in the work, he asked for her love in return. Nothing is wrong with him. He just chose a bad place to direct his love to. I didn't say she's a bad person but his love was wasted going in that direction. A man isn't just there in your life putting in effort for nothing. Hes building up to something and hoping it pays off.
"I get that we have a long way to go as a species and as couples in trying t understand another but geez..." you'd think people would finally realize by now that human beings aren't *mind readers*. You can't just assume to know let alone decide for them what someone else thinks and feels about you, especially in regards to romantic feelings. You have to make sure to ask and discuss such matters explicitly in no uncertain terms in order to be absolutely sure about them, because a romantic relationship is definitely not a 1-party decision it's a mutual decision that has to be made explicitly. I refuse to feed into that very harmful stereotype about men that implies men only put in effort towards a woman for sex or whatnot, 'cause frankly it's not true. Sex and romance are actually not the only reason guys will befriend women, because it's not the only thing that matters to men. Frankly it's good to have someone of a different gender as just a friend since that's someone you can turn to for a better understanding of that gender since they have a 'living through it' perspective of it that can offer better insight. Even when a man is putting in such effort with a woman for those reasons it's on the man to realize when it's not being reciprocated('cause women do actually put in equal effort for someone their interested in it just takes a different form). For this guy to go years putting in that effort without ever once bringing it up to discuss explicitly is his own fault and he brought it on himself, 'cause a woman definitely ain't gonna bring up discussions of possible romance when she's not interested. Not to mention it's disrespectful to the person on the receiving end to not take their *right* to a choice in the matter into account *before* springing it on them. Again, the decision of whether or not you and another person are exclusively dating is not a decision that you can't make by yourself, the other person has to be given a choice too and it has to be given explicitly in no uncertain terms. People need to stop expecting everyone to just pick up hints like they're supposed to be obvious when the whole point of hints is to be anything but obvious. Again, our species ain't mind readers so it's about damn time our species finally quits acting like it.
So this guy had an entire fantasy but never bothered to check if his fantasy is in fact reality it also gives off stalker in the making vibes.
A public proposal is a darned good opportunity to embarrass the person you're importuning, without notice, to change your relationship permanently. Why do people never think of how embarrassing it is for the victim? No sympathy for Mr Fantasy.
She dodged a bullet, he is completely delulu
public proposals are so awkward because it’s almost like you’re expected to say yes and even if you want to, it still shouldn’t be a public thing😭
you can say no
@@chaosspy6723 Yes but people will paint you as a horrible person if you do that.
@tolanisimpson5360 why do you care what others think? it's your life not theirs.
@@chaosspy6723 regardless people record everything now, if they record the proposal and post it online, they can paint you out to be the bad person and your image will be ruined all over the internet. It’s just an uncomfortable situation overall.
@chiomorii and? it's not like that'll affect your job or family so who cares? plus it's the internet, it'll be over once the next political leader does anything. plenty of people are rejected and the event is recorded but doesn't go viral. the chance of that happening is pretty slim.
Dude, I feel SO bad for OP. I’m also confused where her best friend got the idea of them being together, like…I mean if I were in her situation and my friend just up and proposed to me, I’d be wildly uncomfortable and confused out of my mind
What first story? The whole thing was one story not multiple…
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Imagine if your best friend accused you of breaking up with them 😭
The delulu to think you're in a relationship with someone you never even held hands with, nor talked about dating?? Like for sure you gotta do at least one of the two. Crazy
Yeah OP isn’t wrong. If there’s no touchy-feely/ romantic stuff going on, then she’s entitled to not accept his proposal. She also shouldn’t entertain or even bother responding to his 4-5 paragraphed essays…I applaud her, because I don’t have the patience for this guy’s foolishness
What 1st story? It was all one story not multiple ones.
@@andrewft31 Whatever, you knew what I meant. Don’t start an unnecessary argument
Even if there was a touchy/feeling relationship, she fan still say no
@@hlalelanimugabe Yeah, ik that. I’m gonna assume she was beating around the bush, because in case you haven’t noticed, women are getting deleted for simply rejecting a guy. So while I do agree, she should’ve been upfront about it, the friend has some work to do with himself. If he truly “loved” her (OP) he should’ve been upfront himself (about his feelings for her), instead of springing this on her outta nowhere
I mean everyone is entitled to reject a proposal for every possible reason, including no reason at all, you don't need to marry someone... But how the frick did he think they were in a relationship when they never even held hands?? Like whaaaat?
Jordan refused to answer when the logic of his belief was questioned and he seemed entirely convinced that they were together. It was also sudden and seemingly came out of nowhere. This is typical for a person going through psychosis. I feel bad for him.
This story reminds me of the one where it was something like OPs bestfriend mentions something about a one year anniversary and never asked her out because he was scared of rejection, so he just tried to force her into a relationship
wtf...🙃
Oh god
Apparently he was delulu thinking they had THAT kind of relationship.
I read a story similar with proposing and in the end it was because he decided he wanted to date op and decided they were dating and that if he forced it then op would feel pressured to admit they were dating and even had told all their common friends beforehand they were dating and the common friends didnt even question it
I think the guy is just an incel who thinks any woman being nice to him is asking him out
"Maybe there is something mentally wrong with him? Not in a bad way."
In a good way?😂😂
Not as in insult but something that really needs mental help.
SHAME ON PEOPLE WHO PROPOSE IN PUBLIC without having a firm romantic relationship with someone who has constantly affirmed that they want to get married with them. You propose to someone knowing that they will say yes bc you both have already talked about it and you’re both sure.
You cannot get angry at someone for rejecting the proposal also.
Cray cray! Dude had WAY too much alone time on his hands. And MATURE?!? Marriage is based on shared goals and expectations, that bear a lot of talking out. Without it, ambush public proposals NEVER work.
I may be reaching, but this to me sounds like he was flunking all his classes and grasped at anything that would count as a win, so he could go back home to parents without feeling like a complete failure - especially if they paid a lot of money for the tuition and there were huge consequences for not succeeding. He clearly became so desperate that he didn't even see the reality and was counting on a yes despite doing absolutely nothing to even initiate a date, let alone to acquire her consent to marry. It would explain why it came out of nowhere, especially if he wasn't really paying attention to his grades or if he was deluding himself into thinking he was passing when he wasn't. And even her saying no is still a win, because he can now go back home and say a broken heart is why he dropped out instead of admitting his grades were crap
This honestly sounds like a mental breakdown to me.
Maybe he wanted to be in a relationship with op but stressed over asking her out. I wonder if he was flunking school too?
Maybe it was all too much and he really just suffered a mental break. The fact that he shies away from logical questions to ruminate in his "grief" and humiliation also suggests a mental break to me.
Jordan might need to see a therapist.....
Wth?? In what kind of fantasy was this bro living?? 😭
I also think men thinking women want to be friends with them is women friendzoning them and they can convince and twist their way out of that. Like No sir. Keep the friendship as it is. Being a friend is not an invitation of trying your way to become more than that! Really pathetic.
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I'll just say this. A friend of mine who is a pastor that I've known decades is married & he'll tell you that marriage won't solve your problems. He said in fact, it'll amplify it. Nick Vujicic who is also married & motivational speaker said, if you're not happy when you're single then you won't be when you're.
Many couples who have been married for decades will tell you this as well.
Kevin Gerald said that a misconception is that being in a relationship will complete you. He said that it takes 2 mature people to make a mature relationship not 2 halfway mature people. He didn't do this to offend anyone, but to tell people the reality of the situation.
P.S I've never been married & I don't have kids, but what I'm quoting is from experts
I think she should tell his family, find out what they know about them “being together” and what he has told them. He sounds mentally ill in some way, and needs help with whatever is going on in his head.
He lives in delulu land.
Lowkey hope this is an elaborate prank, that would be terrible but it being real would be worse, honestly.
In the very first story, Jordan just proposed to her because he wanted to put on a spectacle in front of everyone, and by him doing this he knew that it would exactly put a whole lot of pressure on the main protagonist. Jordan really doesn't even know anything about her, and plus he is moving way to quickly also. For starters their not even in a relationship at all. So what is he really doing? She must feel completely humiliated because he literally put her on the spot by doing something so ridiculous like that in front of a whole crowd of strangers. The main protagonist shouldn't even be friends with him anymore and furthermore when she returns to her college campus she should definitely ask her RA for a entirely new roommate. I say just forget him and move on; as a matter of fact, he seriosly owes her a huge apology for embarrassing her like that. It's like when I tell my friends who are women that I love them, I always mean this in a friendship type of way, but unfortunately a few of them think that I am actually in love with them when I never said that at all. Jordan has both Limerence and Emophiliia which are both conditions that cause him to fall in love with her quickly and he is craving the exact same thing back from her, but she is not returning those feelings at all. I love you my friend!! Have a great day, Good night from me!! Stay safe!! I love those headphones!!
She said their hometowns are completely different and that she’s from a big city; maybe he was raised in a very conservative area where dating after marriage is a normal thing, perhaps making him mistaking think they were romantically involved. That, or Ellen is right and he might have a disorder causing him to misread social cues
Edit: after reading the updates, he probably has a different disorder that is not completely related to social cues but related to delusions
“Yea he actually just skipped like 10 steps”😂
That's insane...
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The fact that he dropped out and moved away says a lot. I think that clearly indicates some mental crisis. This man is really doing the most even though nobody thought they were dating. How bizarre.
the first story made me glad that my best friend angel nvr tried this on me, he told me twice that he had a crush on me and also asked if my mom would consider me dating a person with asperger's that could care for himself, in my head i was like uh you may be able to take care of yourself but can you take care of me too? probably not so uhm yea that's not happening (i also have aspergers and an auto-immune disease so yea i need a guy that can not only provide for himself but also for me cuz with my health i'm not really able to work) anyway yea that first story made glad Angel didn't try that on me.
I think you need new friends op. Cause, this guy thought you broke up with him even though you didn't even know your in an a relationship. If I'm gonna make a guess that your friend thought that your friendship means that both of you and your friend is dating. All because, of his delusions.
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This is a classic example of people who are emotionally and socially immature. He has been around her for two years and noticed she hasn't had any serious romantic relationships and therefore assumed he was it. If she would have had one boyfriend during that time, he would have backed off. Still not her fault. The male/female friend dynamic is very complexed and dangerous because no two are alike. One thing is always the same, one is more attracted to the other. So if you have an opposite sex bf and you don't find them attractive or never hold hands AND you don't date anyone else and neither does your bf, You're next! Lol....
I couldn't imagine being in a relationship for 2 years without even a kiss
I really want more updates. I'm concerned this guy is having some kind of psychotic break. If I were her, if he has a family member I know he has a good relationship with, I would tell them.
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My thoughts on this story》 I would tell this girl that she should tell his guyfriend （as I would call him） exactly，that she thought they were only friends， and didnt mean to hurt his feelings by embarrass him in Public。
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I know everyone is saying they feel bad for OP and I do but I also feel so bad for the guy. If there is something genuinely wrong with him and he thought they were together imagine how heartbroken he must be. I really do hope he’s alright
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This is an old story. Women almost always underestimate the level of romantic/sexual interest their men friends have in them, while men almost always overestimate the same. The woman is happy that she has essentially a male girlfriend who she can go and do single girl things with. The man is happy that he's got a woman who he can enjoy things with. They spend a lot of time together and he develops feelings while she's either oblivious or deliberately ignoring his emotions. I've seen this happen time and time again, but not to the extent of a ring and a proposal. That's another thing: marriage proposals should be done in private, not in public. A public marriage proposal is a crude way of putting pressure on someone to accept. That's not going to end well, whether the proposal is accepted or not. That particular shame is on him. He completely invented a fantasy relationship and then convinced himself that it was real.
You can’t blame her for him inventing a relationship in his head when all they were is just friends… i have had plenty of female friends throughout my life but had no desire to date or marry any of them, they were good friends just not my types romantically… this guy seems like he would have latched onto anyone that showed him the slightest bit of interest… it is a huge leap from a platonic friendship to a marriage proposal
Nah I think he's completely delusional. They never even held hands together in public, never talked about a relationship even once, but he thought they were in a relationship good enough to propose. Totally delusional.
Bro no this is not a normal thing. If people develop feelings for their friends they say something. It is so explicitly clear when people are just friends and it is possible to literally just be friends. The way she described it, there wasn't even play flirting they were JUST friends. There's no leading on or being oblivious, we do not always underestimate anything people make it clear, this guy is just making up a fantasy in his head
I get that we have a long way to go as a species and as couples in trying to understand another but geez. Expressing love as men is performative, "Sure i'll hang out, yes i'll do that for you no charge, I'll pay for it don't worry about it. Putting in time, money and effort to get what is a woman's Love i.e. A life mate, a cheerleader & supporter and place to rest and recharge, someone that may bring forth his/their future generations.
A woman's love does not come first, meaning she just doesn't show up and does thoes things above, but a mans love does come first, its what he was "doing" and no, the woman doing the same thing isn't seen as reciprocating. Her love which he seeking comes second and after putting in the work, he asked for her love in return. Nothing is wrong with him. He just chose a bad place to direct his love to. I didn't say she's a bad person but his love was wasted going in that direction. A man isn't just there in your life putting in effort for nothing. Hes building up to something and hoping it pays off.
"I get that we have a long way to go as a species and as couples in trying t understand another but geez..." you'd think people would finally realize by now that human beings aren't *mind readers*. You can't just assume to know let alone decide for them what someone else thinks and feels about you, especially in regards to romantic feelings. You have to make sure to ask and discuss such matters explicitly in no uncertain terms in order to be absolutely sure about them, because a romantic relationship is definitely not a 1-party decision it's a mutual decision that has to be made explicitly.
I refuse to feed into that very harmful stereotype about men that implies men only put in effort towards a woman for sex or whatnot, 'cause frankly it's not true. Sex and romance are actually not the only reason guys will befriend women, because it's not the only thing that matters to men. Frankly it's good to have someone of a different gender as just a friend since that's someone you can turn to for a better understanding of that gender since they have a 'living through it' perspective of it that can offer better insight. Even when a man is putting in such effort with a woman for those reasons it's on the man to realize when it's not being reciprocated('cause women do actually put in equal effort for someone their interested in it just takes a different form). For this guy to go years putting in that effort without ever once bringing it up to discuss explicitly is his own fault and he brought it on himself, 'cause a woman definitely ain't gonna bring up discussions of possible romance when she's not interested. Not to mention it's disrespectful to the person on the receiving end to not take their *right* to a choice in the matter into account *before* springing it on them. Again, the decision of whether or not you and another person are exclusively dating is not a decision that you can't make by yourself, the other person has to be given a choice too and it has to be given explicitly in no uncertain terms.
People need to stop expecting everyone to just pick up hints like they're supposed to be obvious when the whole point of hints is to be anything but obvious. Again, our species ain't mind readers so it's about damn time our species finally quits acting like it.
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