Pro's & Con's of These Two Saab 9-5 Generations 02-05 vs 06-09
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- In today's video, I review the pro's and con's of these two saab 9-5's! A compare and contrast between the 2002-2005 vs the 2006-2009 model years! I hope you enjoy. Please like, share, and subscribe!
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Love my 2002 Aero, won't trade it for any other!
Wish you could have compared a ‘99-‘01 generation as well! Glass headlight lenses, headlight wipers, umbrella holders in the B pillars, and I’m probably missing more things that GM slowly deleted. Thank you for summing up so well why I never liked the ‘06+ model years!
Rear tail gate interior handle
My recent personal favourite - physical lock on the boot (for the saloon/sedan). That would have been very helpful recently when electric lock went!
I own a 2002 Aero with 313500km (around 190k miles) and I love it. It's not trouble free, but its also not a pain in the ass and I think its very reliable if you keep an eye on everything regularly. My friends were impressed by the level of equipment, engine and quality when I bought it 3 years ago
Great vid, thanks! Just purchased an '04 Arc Wagon as my daughter's first car, and let's just say that dad needs to drive it for a few months before he hands over the keys. Love it!
Also, the fuel door (or whatever you prefer to call it) is no more button operated on the 06-09 version. A small detail, but it still shows the whole cheap out policy of GM. There seems to be an explanation actually. I read somewhere that Saab were to release a completely new 9-5 which was to share a platform with the Alfa Romeo 159 (with certain differences, of course), but GM shut down the project (probably because our guys were losing a lot of money already) and only gave them peanuts to make yet another facelift which turned out to be the 06-09 we see here. As for the platform, the Italians still used it and some people think that the fact that it's developed by Saab is the main reason the 159 is such a solid car in terms of safety.
I own an Alfa Romeo 159 ti Sportwagon (My car in the avatar photo). I can attest to the build quality - it is a heavy car, but is well put together and at 118,000 miles does not have any squeaks or rattles and is rust free. I have owned 2 og 9-5's and found them to be fantastic cars. I currently have my eye on a '97 Saab 9000 cde with +/- 270 bhp.
Yeah that’s gone in my MY2005 9-5 😢
Couldn’t agree more mate. Just bought a 2004 Aero estate in the UK for £1150. Think I got a bargain. It’s immaculate so this video is very reassuring. Thanks.
Hey Kyle. I had a 2005 9-5 Arc that flooded out in a vicious rain storm 2 years ago. Ended up buying a used Camry . Strongly considering selling the Camry locally and buying another used Saab, preferably 2005 or a few years older. Like my Saab mechanic said to me years ago…..Toyotas are reliable but they have no soul. If you have anything that matches please get in touch.
On my 06 model, you can still access the fuel pump by pulling up on the rear seats just like in the old models
generally not for the US-spec models
It’s because your 06 is not a biopower
@@Kallemedkn1ven you saved my sanity im away from home about to service my 06 9-5 wagon and I can get to the fuel pump...I was wondering what that patch was lolol
Not on the '06 i had. Mine was the US version. Misaligned fuel pump to cutout.
Outstanding comparison on both 9-5 I have the same exact 2005 aero would not give it up for anything 2004-2005 Aero ultimate Saab with unique bumper👊
Awesome comparison! I have an 04 Aero and love how the car feels and drives.
Good review..... I have got the older generation saab 95.... and it a pleased to own one.... especially with the shark front bumper.... I am glad you have shown the saab community... the difference In these models... and a good video guideline... for the growing saab fan base...
Great video bud
Ive owned a 99, 05 and now and 03. Loved my 4 Speed Auto 99(never had a sludge issue btw) glass headlights and very reliable sold with over 200K to a VW guy!. The 03 is faster w a 5spd and still a damn good car. The factory stereo still sounds great and works after 19 years.
We have an '08 9-5 Aero with 99k mi which I throughly enjoy. (My bride of 34 years says it looks like a Buick; but does like the comfort and acceleration.) At the beginning I just knew you would pick the Edna. A little surprised for your pick but you are correct about the materials and servicing. (Also add the later years lack of auto trans dipstick & when you open the bonnet, to pull up on the lever instead of the chrome lest you pull the chrome piece off. ) Thanks to you I'll bet the price of the ones up to '05 just shot up! Keep the videos coming!!!
Great comparison!! Glad to have a 2003 model.
Even though this is two years old, it's still a great video! I always thought the NG was better looking and more desirable. You've changed my opinion! I have had some challenges to put it mildly with my 2002 95. Still, I can see now that it is the better car. The reduction in material quality is a common in GM cars. I worked a long time ago in the car business. The original version of a car would have better quality materials, but they would come with technical issues. A few years would go by, and the technical/mechanical issues would get corrected. Then they would do a facelift and use cheaper plastic parts just to squeeze an extra few cents from each unit sold! Those parts would not last as long or wear as well. Kyle, have you had an issue with your transmission banging into gear?
I think the rear lights cluster on the 2006-on looks a lot sexier than the previous 95 which is just a horrid square. About the quality of the materials I have to agree, however, and owning a 9000 too, I find the 2004 version dated, so to me the face lift is kind of refreshing. An important point is emissions tho, and this is ultimately why I've kept the 2006 one in the end, although they have almost the same powertrain, the 2006 has a higher rated environmental sticker in many countries, meaning it pays less tax and is allowed in big cities where the 2004 isn't.
Start with 99 9-5. Had 03 9-5 now I have 06 9-5 and it stays forever with me. Very good side by side comparison, same thoughts
When I was searching for my first SAAB I decided I wanted only the 2006 and newer 9 5. It took several weeks until I found the one I did buy: 2006 9 5 2.3T from Hawaii with only 46,000 miles. I bought it for $650. Slight engine overheating so I had it repaired at a dedicated SAAB service center in Irvine, California. After two years, the oil cooler lines were leaking while I was driving home. You would think a newer engine replacement would include new cooler lines. The SAAB is still stored in my garage, so the plastic interior is not degrading at all. When is Kyle coming to SoCal for some repair assistance and a new video?
The Aero always have sport seats, in other models you normally had to add it, so probably the difference in seats you feel is caused by the fact you' re compare the comfort seats with the sport seats, I personally think the sport seats is better. As I also own those two generations (Aero '05 and Aero '07) I can agree on many things, even if I like the steering wheel in the old model better, also she meters. I also think the new rear light clusters are plain ugly, looks much better on the older model. In general I think the '05 Aero is the best version of 9-5 that was ever made.
..So why do I have a '07 too ? ..Well.. my '05 have a lot of miles on it and I found the '07 for a really good price.
Thanks GM for fucking up Saab!
Hello mate!
A very nice video indeed. I just bouhgt a '05 9-5 yesterday! 😊 I also preffer the looks of a firts series. I found one from a senior man who can't drive anymore, first owner with genuine 83 tkm (51tmi), always in garage, never driven in winter.
But also like the newer cluster more ..are these interchangeable? And the steering wheel also?
Thank you!
I can see that it is summer for you😎😎, because it is still cold for me🐧🐧. I have a 9-5 from 2006 and I don't have such plastics. I'm glad it looks pretty good and stands out from the crowd. The tail lights could be better. Despite some minor comments, I am very pleased👍👍
That's real Saab vs GM Saab
Hi. Thank you for the video. I love both of them, especially the 04-05 areo bumper. They are so sexy imo. Although I have a 03 areo I'm not really liking the current 03 areo bumper with a missing lip.. it's pretty hard to find a 05 areo to convert bumper. I also love how the 06 front facial looks too. . From your experience with front end work, will the 06 front end bolt on to the older models? I usume Im I'll be needing
Hood
Fender
Bumper + accessories
head lights
I found one pretty cheap and I'm also in south NJ.
Thank you again for the cool comparison
Fair comparison to be honest. I love the more modern look of the Dame Edna, and I bought one because it suits my current needs a bit more. It's my only car so I need something a bit professional-looking for professional purposes. However, the quality of the pre-Dame models is much higher.
Because my Dame Edna is my first car I've purchased with my own money, I'm probably going to keep it for a while - maybe forever - especially if I can afford a collection. But years from now when I'm no longer daily driving a Saab, I'd probably rather have a pre-Dame as a toy.
You definitely hate the 06-09 model, and just telling you, that is not a different generations, the 06-09 is a facelift of the 97-05 so, the same generation is from 97-09, the reverse light is just because of design
Helps me decide, now that I am looking for one myself.
05 Aero manual is on the search bar!! 🤣
I love my 08 and I didn't know about that 1 reverse light had to go check
I´ve got leather door pulls in all doors in my 03 that are the same leather and exact stitching than the Saab charcoal leather seats and look 100% stock. Custom made of course. Just find a 2nd pair of front seats. Walnut door sills too (there´s a plastic trim sill just under there -00 earlier ones had some nice saab lettering). You can also upgrade the cheap plastic by the A pillar where you control the exterior side mirrors with some nice leather stitching (you see that all the time). You may want to have the 05 stock sat nav, just for the upscale look. I also had the center console upgraded (in saab leather), with some nice stitching too around where you turn the key. Or the cheap plastics behind the steering wheel.
These little details and some sound deadening inside the doors which is a very cheap DIY will go a very long way to make your car feel totally upscale.
The ultimate would have been the SAAB 9-5 AERO combi 05 with the 07's look from the rear. 😎👍
The OG's have a whole different feel to it compared to the Facelift.
The plastics and Vinyl "leather" seats in the facelift can't compare..
And the Edna just doesnt appeal to me as much as the -05 Aero spec ones.. Both good cars though!
Kyle I have 2005 03 linear and I love it more the my 03 95.
I changed oil 4vtimes so far since sept.. I heard the journal squeak in turbo so I ordered new balanced cartridge.
Then it went away. I use engine flush and let run on idle then flush the add ow 40 mobile 1.
The turbo has the.bolts not the clamp.
What would you do. Compression perfect and building smoke machime.. and input helps thx
After owning 11 9-5 Aeros, the 04-05´s have absolutely been the best put together. The Dame's are a joke interior wise, still love them though.
And yeah well, the 9000 (the opposite of cheaping out on materials) also has one single reverse light ;)
Are the blendor issues the same as the previous gen on the 06-09 9-5's?
Older=SAAB
Newer=GM
Nuf said.
SAAB FTW
GM FU
'97 9000 CSE Turbo even better. FU GM forever.
I'm in MN and may look at one of these thats for sale. What should I look out for? It has 86,000 miles. Do these have any particular area to wary of for rust on frame or suspension parts like some cars have? What type of leaks are common? Do they have head gasket issues or timing chain issues?
Thanks
So I have an 2007 9-5 2.3t with the white interior. However, it has the seats with the little to no bolstering. Will older generation front seats fit my 07? My other concern is that the white interior might only be available on the 06-09 generation. Appreciate the help.
I think GM went with the one reverse light to pay homage to the 9000? I remember reading that somewhere
10:40 the wagon version (AKA Sport Combi) of the '06-'09 95 has 2 backup lights.
I love my 9-5 vector from 2002 altho it needs new camchains and due to previous owners lack of maintenance needs alot of work its my absolut best car so far
Do whatever it takes to keep it on the road. Love my Saab 9-3 Vector manual. The best car i have owned so far.
I get the complaints on quality of the 06-09 models for sure, the parchment leather seats on my 06 at 170,000 look terrible and are being replaced soon. However the exterior styling looks much sleeker and more svelte than the earlier models.
I’ve been without motor transport for about 3 years now, I borrow the wife’s Qashqai when I need to which hasn’t been a lot this past two years but I’m curiously drawn to the Saab 9-5…I am looking at a few wagons as that’s what I like to use to haul my crap about.. I suppose your critiques would be the same for those taken from your reviews of the saloons?
There's a 2004 9-5 Aero for sale near me with 86,000 miles for $5400.00. Would this be a reliable car for my teen daughter? I've never had a turbo before and wonder about the reliability of the turbo. Does it use engine oil or is it self contained in the turbo?
An interesting comparison, what do you think of the Saab 9000s from the 90s and even the late 80s?
I think the 9000 from the late 90s is a brilliant car and very underrated. Easy to tweak and surprisingly quick and of course, Saab comfort and safety. As Jeremy Clarkson once said "You wonder why new Saabs are so expensive, until you have a crash in one". A RUclipsr here in the UK has a late 9000 CDE that he is raffling for £10 a ticket - I've bought a few tickets, so wish me luck!
Would still take any of these over any modern car.
My 09 griffin is more feature complete than most cars my friends have that are sometimes 10 years newer, and so much more fun.
TONS, and I mean tons of Euro spec cars have the one reverse light, one fog light. I like the asymmetrical look of it. Most other Americans don't dig asymmetrical stuff though.
That said, the Dame Era Sportcombi has two reverse lights still. My fog is a small square under the turn/reverse layer. I don't know why the wagon had such a departure from the saloon, but it did.
Personally, while I agree the older pre-facelift had better materials; the Dame is so much sleeker and more refined looking. But, that's just my opinion, and I know it isn't shared by a lot of Saab lovers. (Although I see some Dame love in the comments here!)
I love my 99 sl500 but just really want a saab
I owned a 98 SE model it had leather map pockets and rear reading lights I part exchange it after three years for a 2001 model same SE spec they had replaced the leather for vinyl and got rid of the reading lights must have saved a few Pounds at most 😢
06 model had also cheaper 'steel'.Thinner,more prone to rust. I had 2000y model Aero 4d for over 9 years and about 180.000 miles done by myself , and now I bought my05 Aero Wagon . And I think this Barracuda will stay with me...😏
After my 2005 9-5 was totalled, I test drove an 2007 and absolutely hated the interior quality
I have 3 saabs 2004-05 Aero and Arc spec if I owned a Dame (06-09) I would swap front to 04 05 aero it's far superior in my opinion
The single reverse light is a huge wtf. GM's crackdown on SAAB happened around the time that newer 9-5 was being designed, clearly. Before that, SAAB was forced to use the rebadge chassis, but GM did not stay on top of how much SAAB would use direct from the GM Bin. SAAB spent a lot of GM-money reengineering SAAB versions of the components, until GM took away the SAAB Engineer's credit cards. XD
Nonetheless, I will take an 09 in a heartbeat.
Throw a good LED bulb in that single reverse light. It makes a huge difference, as long as it is a not a autoparts bulb, but a good one with top and side led's on it.
4 Saabs. A 9000 CS, a 9⁵ NG and two 9⁵ OGs like yours (one phase 2 and one phase 3). I just followed you on Insta, so you will be able to find me too. I think exactly the same as you do and so did my late dad, who owned 3 of my 4 current Saabs.
Thanks for this video mate. Now I know why I won't be getting Dame Edna 9-5. Much inferior quality comparing to previous SAAB's.
Nice cars 🚘
I have just bought a automatic 2.3 55/06 9-5 in the U.K. and it looks like your 08 model
I agree the materials are not as good on the 06-09. I have an 08 9-5 aero and love it,. On the topic of power, much better than models before, but one thing that I don't like, there is no fuel filter. This never made sense to me one bit.
Just bought a 05 9 5 turbo
Great comparison. Gosh, I hate what GM did to Saab. So cheap. Love my '04 TiD estate.
I got an 03 that's nearly mint
It seem like the Saab 9000 was the last model of the bulletproof Saab.
The 2004-2005 aero style is A-1🏁🏁🏁👍
What's the stereo like man?
No OnStar & No SiriusXM pre-09. That's why I'll take the '09 even though it's very GM. And not to hate, I just got an '09 9-5 and yes, you can access the fuel pump while folding up the seats. The electronics in the '04 are just awful by comparison to the '09 and that's the way it is. I mean Harman Kardon stereo, SiriusXM, and OnStar all integrated into an '09 model? If there are problems with "Plastic Fantastic GM crap" but just buy some glue. It worked for me on the 9-3 and I've done it on 3 Saabs.
Agree 100%
Have had both years. 2007 Aero Biggest design blunder, NO AUTOBOX DIPSTICK!!!!!🤦♂️
How the hell can you check level/condition of fluid
Good luck when buying used🤞🙏
Now got 2005 2L. A cross between the two. Fake leather, no remote fuel cap release, but superior quality to the 2007 model.
I'm from Ewing NJ
100% True ,the olders models are built with better quality (if I show you the picture of my 9-3 SE 2002 you will not belive it in what condition is she , original paint..(with extra double 3'' exhaust costum made..) but the car never runs winter :)) picture sent..
9000 was best SAAB. Had all the newer ones. All inferior in every respect. 9000 could match/better Germans. Lost the plot after that
NJ in the hizzouse!!!!
More Backseat facts. The OG 9-5s have rear door puddle lights & the B pillars have storage nets. You guested it ridden of in 06+ cars....
Went to go buy a 08 9-5 having driven an 05, and I was so disappointed I felt almost sick. The only thing that felt the same was the engine and transmission. Even the gagues were gross
To clarify everything was cheap and weak, knocking on the metal even felt thin. The guy wanted like 10k for what looked and felt like a piece of garbage. Amazing how bad GM forced them to make it.
Nice I just brought my first 2002 9-5 aero 5speed I wanna build it up what should I do?
intercooler, intake, exhaust, and a tune
dont forget that plastic trunk.. just knock the on the top and you can hear the difference
Love 95 but the passenger side keeps getting water. Just lost my 2007 aero 95 to a bad accident
Newer model 06- also has Takata airbags...the dangerous kind.
Direct ignition cassettes are still annoying regardless. I’ve had both, it’s like picking your favorite kid. can’t do it. Each one has qualities I preferred
Starting 2006 they also replaced the transmission dip stick with a very shallow Torx bolt that strips out very easily on a car with a turbo that needs transmission fluid changes. Another WTF moment in GMs ruination of Saab.
How do you do a transmission fluid change I have a 2007 it can't seem to figure out how to do it (new to Saab)
@@MsOligui There is T55 torx bolt on top of the transmission that you can visually see if you look way down on the right side of the engine. There is also a 8mm bolt under the battery that might be easier to access and less likely to strip. EIther way you must get one of these two bolts off before draining. Also order the T55 bolt and a replacement washer for the 24mm drain bolt beforehand. It should drain about 4 qts and each drain and fill. Search the forum for the exat fill measurements but offhand i believe low-high was 39-60 below the lip of the torx bolt hole. Good luck. I stripped out the T55 bolt and will attempt to drill and easyout it and/or gain access from the 8mm hex bolt. Definitely a PITA. I am not a mechanic and newer to Saabs but learning a lot and this has been a challenge for me. Good Luck
Thank you for an in depth assessment. Never seen a better critique of GM.
I have had a ‘99 and currently am ‘05 aero. Would never go an ‘06. GM cheapened it
Don't have to finish watching the video. I got these two, a '99 and a '06 9-5 combi, both crap, both with engine failures, both ready for the junk yard.
Maybe you suck at driving and maintenance. The 06 though was probably just shit though.
Re-engineering the tooling to make cheaper parts must have cost GM and Saab a fortune!
Actually the earlier Saab 9000 was a Far better car than Any 9-5 . Proof is in the driving
It was THE high water mark for Saab.
Unbelievable car. The 9000 was superlative. They could not build it for GBP100K, such was quality. Fast, refined, safe and comfortable. 95 is a pale imitation of a SAAB. 9000 better than anything built today, quality throughout car. Went from a wobbly Japanese coupe and old Ford Escort to a CD 9000. No comparison.
Definitely biased.
The exterior chrome on the pre-06 is the same type of plastic. There is no difference in quality
The interior comparison makes no sense. The door material on the 06- 9-5 is not plastic. That is a type of vinyl, if you push it you will see it's not 'hard' but actually soft-ish. Not the same as the earlier, but definitely not "cheap plastic". The same goes for the dashboard cover above.
The steering wheel material on the 9-5 on neither is "real leather" and there is no difference in the quality whatsoever.
The drivers cluster is not prone to failing on the never 9-5s. This is practically unheard of ..
The centre console radio/AC controls work as good as the old ones, they are a gm product but absolutely not any less in quality than previous 9-5s! The dials are not a "cheaper" design, it is a much more modern and simplified design. The older design looked like out of the early 1990s dude. The overall plastic in the centre/lower console doesn't differ AT ALL in quality.
I am really sorry but most of this is bullshit. I lived in Sweden 14 years and have drieven hundreds of 9-5s, seen over a 1000 in junkyard and owned multiple. It simply isn't true. The whole "saab good GM bad" shit is cringe
And if you compare a 02-05 to 98-01, there is also a gap in quality. Have seen older 9-5 leather seats, that look brand new with 400k kilometres, and the newer 9-5 leather streches out and looks hideous.
I’ve got a 05 and wish I could find a 98-2000 model
Give me a mk1 anytime
Association with GM killed SAAB.
I don't disagree with anything you say. I have owned 5 Saabs. 81-01. I would say the front and rear cosmetics of the 08' are TITS! I have seen them blacked out and am in love. However, I would go a step further and say that my 01' 9-5 Estate is better than either of those showcased. In every way except cosmetic styling. The wagons look better than the 4 door sedans. Mine is always given what it needs, but is also completely abused in every way. It now has 207K miles and is as strong as it ever was. Sure. it leaks, it has a check engine light on, the dash rattles, the pixels are sometimes a puzzle, but I LOVE the car and won't sell it. Also, the 1st 2 minutes of your video are completely unnecessary. Lose the Intro and the long pontificating. Sorry not sorry.
GM ruined the build quality of Saab, my previous 2002 Viggen 9-3 Cabrio was so much better built than the 2004-2006 Aero' cars having owned both the 2.0 and 2.8 liter V6 versions. But the 2004-2005 9-5 Aero which has more hp than the standard car also has different seats. My 2005 9-5 Aero wagon has both heated and cooled seats, touch screen navigation, and makes my 4WD 2011 Toyota Sienna Limited feel cheap and nasty and I only manage 18mpg!. The Saab gets 30mpg doesn't squeak or rattle and drives like a new car and is more reliable than any BMW 530it, Audi A6 wagon, or Mercedes E 500 4-Matic wagon I have previously owned!
Generally the less GM in the car the better it is, my saab 9-5 2004 is great, my 2011 9-3 is garbage
Всё это GM,крайний тру Сааб это 9000) Но 9-5 тоже ничего.
WTF? Saab only made Saabs and were very invested in making a high quality vehicle, whereas GM is ... well...
So much cost cutting 😢
GM=burn your money.
The old gen is bettet quality and riding
Way better handling. Agree. GM screwed up handling. Just terrible. Went backwards. Unsafe feeling..
You keep saying “cheap plastic“ but both cars are full of plastic. 🤷🏻♂️
thanks GM for ruining a good car. *shrug
Much more like the 2004 everything after that just looks like a cheap ass 93
At 6.24 "This leather. Its a little more plastic....." Just one example of how your statements make no sense whatsoever. I understand what meaning you wish to communicate. But, this isn't the way to do it. Also, at the start. You waffled and repeated for 90 seconds, which was a complete waste of everybody's time. Then you wasted another 20+ secs with your signature tune.
So, right off the bat. Almost two minutes, after which I wanted to tear my hair out. Do you script what you're going to say? Even in rough? Or, do you just go free flow with your consciousness?
I couldn't take anymore by around five minutes and surprisingly, will not be "smashing" the subscribe button!
Are you new to RUclips? Press fast forward. It took you more time to type your useless comment than it does to skip intro. Get some fresh air.
Bro i am sorry but both of your saabs look horrible and that after market screen is hotrible. I had a 2000 saab 95 and it was 3.0 never had a problem