Dealing with the Other Ex | Hazbin Hotel Reaction
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- Опубликовано: 22 мар 2024
- Hazbin Hotel: Episode 8 Reaction
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The fact that Pentious didn't even have to check in with St Peter at the gates. Divine Judgment just dropped him directly in front of Sera like "ding-dong you were wrong"
Chances are, she'll STILL be clinging on to the silly idea that "sinners aren't worth saving"
@SilverScribe85 which is why i think sera is more likely to become a fallen angel than Emily
@Poseidon-2029 I think Emily is more likely to become fallen because she's going to be fighting back against heaven and will probably be even more vocal with her ideas now that redemption was proven possible
luci became fallen for questioning, and going against heaven, he had good intentions and was still cast out
Looks like God has a sense of humor.
@Thebeezzkneezz. Lucifer became fallen for starting a rebellion in Heaven, a full on civil war. Emily is trying to show that it is possible and now has been proven right, devine judgement would be gods decision, which means now the one going against the will of God is Sera.
Note that when Allistor is talking to Niffty, about how he could almost get used to being actual friends to and with Charlie and the others, the radio filter is almost entirely absent from his voice. He actually was starting to have genuine feelings for the others until Adam undid all the progress his soul had made.
I'm not even entirely sure Adam so much as undid it as it will cause Alastor to more heavily repress any genuine positive feelings.
Nah. He felt it, he can't take it back. It feels very much like the beginning of his character arc.
He then in the very same episode gets proved that having 'friends' and being an 'altruist' gets him almost killed o_O
Valentino : *having flashbacks to Nifty sneaking up his back without him noticing*
i am so glad someone mentioned this
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“I’m not against taking it from behind but not like that!”
My current theory is that alastor is going to eventually try and use his favor with Charlie to somehow get out of his deal with whoever has him on a leash
and my theory is it is going to be something that cause a butterfly effect for something bigger, and he will use that deal and how small it seems still to get a bigger dealt from Charlie
When he was making the deal with Charlie he changed his words from one favor to “one favor at a time” so I think he will also take advantage of changing his words at the last minute
@@Ash_ok33”one favor at a time of my choosing” not quite the same as multiple favors
@@happypasta6 ;well what i took as “multiple” was more than one sooooooo
@@Ash_ok33 "one favor, At a time of my choosing, that harms no one". Comma's are very important to understand quotes, and show breaks in sentences, without them ending.
The way I see it... Alastor would be a fantastic "final boss". As in, he's the final challenge in seeing if sinners can truly be redeemed.
'Cause.. let's face it: Pentious didn't really require all that much. He basically jumped at the first chance he ever got.
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This. I completely agree.
Valentino?
Yep if anyone get's redeemed in S1 it had to be Pentious and his Egg Bois. We clearly see throughout the series that he isn't Evil. Just misguided and destructive but not actually Evil.
@@LiMe251 Valentino is Evil but not maliciously so. Val is the shittiest person someone can realistically be. But Alastor relishes in being Evil for the sake of it. Which is directly opposed to what Charlie is trying to do. So while Val may be doing worse things, I believe Alastor would be a much harder person to convert.
Yeah... There's a massive difference between a guy who is essentially a Saturday morning cartoon villain with steam punk(Pentious) and someone who is a disk jockey Jeffery Dahmer(Alastor). It's like comparing the 1980s Cobra Commander from the G.I. Joe animated series to Ted Bundy.
34:10 Actually, Lute didn't have a deal with Lilith, Adam did. Since Adam is now dead, their deal is now over which is why Lute said 'your' not 'our'
Was about to say this, yeah
Yep exactly. Big difference between "your" and "our"
It confuses me so much that so many people seem to think Lilith’s deal is with Lute and not Adam, that she wanted Adam out of the way so she could take charge. But we’re talking about someone whims loyalty to Adam reached fanatic levels considering she ripped her own arm off to try to protect him
@@FenDweller13same. LOL
@@FenDweller13 I haven't seen anyone think that the deal was with Lute besides this video.
Also my headcanon for why Lucifer showed up at the end:
Because for most of the time, Adam and the exorcists were attacking sinners, Lucifer couldn't butt in into the situation, because that was heaven's orders, but when Adam went directly for Charlie, his daughter, and a hellborn, he had every right to protect her, because that wasn't part of the Sera's deal.
Still, that doesn't explain why Sera didn't forbid Adam to go near Charlie, knowing perfectly well it would break the contract made. If she conceded an audience with Charlie, mostly not to test Lucifer, who could she allow the attack against the hotel?
*how could she allow Adam to attack the hotel? Not to mention after he threated the Princess of Hell in front of the ENTIRE Angels' Court
Also, one of the dragons died, which could have summoned him.
@@anaemiliaalmeida7238if he said he was coming after the hotel and not Charlie specifically, then it could be left up to interpretation that he only intended to take everything away from her, not attack her directly.
@@anaemiliaalmeida7238 Sera told Adam to do whatever was necessary to shut down the "uprising" aka Charlie's plan with the hotel. It's also why he went to Vaggie in episode 6.
The Vees' audacity covers up how clever and subtle their plot actually was: Their plan was never to have a hand in whatever outcome happened when Velvette went to the meeting. If the Overlords were convinced to fight, then win or lose, they would take losses, and the Vees wouldn't (given they had no intention of fighting). In the case that the Overlords didn't fight and the angels were indeed killable, then the Vees had a very public "I told you so" on the other Overlords that would cause them to lose moral support. It's a chickenshit little plan, but it's a smart one. The only loss they risked was if the other Overlords outright killed Velvette for disrespecting them. Given that she had a pretty good read on their personalities and conservative tactics, it was a well-thought-out risk.
"The only loss they risked was if the other Overlords outright killed Velvette for disrespecting them."
Even that was barely a real risk, which Velvette probably knew quite well.
-Killing an Overlord at an Overlord meeting(especially one you hosted) would be a quick road to never be trusted when you try to hold one again, massive blow to yourself.
-Even worse if you do it because the person in question got under your skin just by debating you(if rudely), because you show yourself to be a dumb brute who couldn't defeat what the other overlord was suggesting with your own words, but had to take to violence
-Even worse optics if said Overlord you attacked is the youngest and supposedly greenest, you have no prestige to win by attacking
The meetings are probably almost as sacrosanct as the roman senate meetings were supposed to be(until they killed Caesar), and even if they aren't, killing Velvette would have been a massive prestige loss for any Overlords who tried it(and fantastic propaganda for Vox to use, even if losing Velvette might hurt his team).
Zestial was firing back with insulting behaviour himself, so he clearly knew how to play the game with Velvette, Carmilla kinda blundered into it and got herself cornered and slightly humiliated(Zestial even grimaces as she does it).
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Alastor was referring to the fact that Adam ate the apple that granted him and Eve supposed wisdom and "free will". So yeah, Adam SHOULD know better than anyone about what it means to have the choice of deciding your fate.
Except in this case,it was eve that ate the apple, lúcifer and lilith offered HER the apple, we dont actually know if adam actually ate the apple here.
@@Kebin13ehh, I mean going off the loose association, lucifer gave eve the apple the eve gave it to Adam. But, idk much of the Hebrew Bible since my understanding is that's the version with lilith, since the usual Christian Bible doesn't have her if I recall correctly.
Emily and Airier: _squeaky toy noises_ 🤩🤩
Emily: **SQUEEK!**
Sera: "... all the wine. Now."
she has that "holy shit what have i done" look about her because of being proved wrong
Fun fact husker is happy at the end because he thinks alastor is dead meaning their deal would be broken. But emedietly becomes upset and back to normal when he comes back
Actually thats really wholesome. He really thought he had free will and he immediately decides to stay at the hotel
Lucifer also becomes very upset after seeing Alastor return also. "Not this guy.."
Here is my take on Alastors verse. The expression on his face when he says he almost died for his friends is horrified because that is what almost happened. Before, he admitted to Nifty that he was growing attached to them. He is afraid of this because it means they would have more power over him. Rather than going and seeking help with the residents of the hotel, he decides to double down on his act and distance himself further. I think a major part of his character development will be when he frowns as it means he trusts them more and we were seeing the beginnings of that when he trusted his cane to Charlie with a genuine smile.
35:35 "Adam is dead. Your deal is done. I am in charge now". Apparently Lilith only had a deal with Adam. But since he is now dead there is nothing keeping her in heaven, so Lute threatens to drive Lilith out
The second season is not just rumors. It was announced alongside the announcement date of season 1 and Viv has confirmed it in her streams. It is a fact at this point the real question is will the second season have more episodes.
Plus several VAs have posted about them recording for season 2
It's Amazon. Even Invincible S2 only got 8. Just horrible.
@@FoxGhost7 Amazon doesn't decide episode count, A24 does
Honestly it’s probably gonna get 8 eps still, but I hope the success somehow got us a few more minutes for each episode. Even 5 more minutes each ep would do wonders for story building atp
I think Lucifer interfered cause Dazzle died. Remember, they were made to protect Charlie, so when Dazzle died, it might have alerted Lucifer. Also, remember in Lucifer’s first song mentioning “sacrificial lamb” and you see Dazzle being the sacrifice? Foreshadowing.
I didn’t catch that keep that in mind for future episodes
I interpret alastor’s song in the following way: Alastor was beginning to grow attached to the group and see himself as on their side, cause that’s just how Charlie is…and then it nearly got him killed. And at that moment Alastor decided he wasn’t ever going to let himself feel like he’s one of them again, so from here on out he will much more actively try to get free and manipulate the goodwill of the hotel.
Interesting I hadnt thought of that honestly. But the way he said it like he was reading someone else's paper titled of him dying for them. That does have merit. We will definetly need to see how things go in season two.
Keekee IS the hotel (like its 'soul'). So it would make sense for Lucifer to use her to rebuild so that she remains connected to the new building?
Lucifer is also an angel with creation magic. So if he really wanted to, he COULD probably just magic the entire hotel into existence.
(considering he has an actual workshop, I imagine he probably enjoys the whole process of creating something from scratch when he has the chance)
But building it step by step like this (even though he makes it easier) is more meaningful for everyone involved. The new hotel has a little piece of every one of them in it.
There's a theory going around about Sir Pentious that I'm hoping ends up being true:
That he didn't just get into Heaven as a Winner, but that he became a *Seraphim.*
The theory is going off of two things. First is the heavy heart motifs in Pentious' new design, pointing toward the passage John 15:13, ("Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends") and the idea that seraphim are often thought to represent God's love. The second is that the Bible (the Hebrew Bible, specifically) has multiple instances of "saraph" being used to describe a serpent, and that they're sometimes regarded as "celestial serpents".
That would certainly help to explain why Pentious bypassed the Pearly Gates completely and was dropped off in front of Sera and Emily, the only two seraphim shown in the series -- and it might also explain why Sera looked so _mortified._ If a Sinner can be not only _redeemed,_ but immediately _promoted_ to one of the upper echelons of Heaven's hierarchy, that completely redefines the status quo that they've struggled to maintain for _millennia._
2:22 No, it’s been stated that Sir Pentious was British, alive in the Victorian era (well after the Napoleonic Wars).
Plus Napoleon is definitely the kind of arrogant prick who’s use his actually name in hell for the reputation it’d give him
100% I do think Sir Pentious would definitely study Napoleon’s battle strategies. Maybe that’s why he’s so big on artillery.
Yeah, he screams both British and steampunk.
"You can do this! Now I know it!"
It's amazing that most people just need to hear so little, and yet they never do. Sure, people say it on a whim like a script: (Rob Schnider) "You can do it." But it feels so fake, rarely is it said from the heart.
The reason it feels more real with Lucifer is because he didn't believe until Charlie showed him, loke "Holy Shit! You actually CAN do it! NO DON'T STOP! KEEP GOING!"
"Don't tell people what you're going to do, show them what you've done. Nobody is going to believe in you until show them."
14:20 No. Being immortal, you can hit something and bleed, but the point is killing. This was impossible without angelic weapons
„Hope is one hell of a drug“ I’m gonna steal that sentence
I love that the reason Sir Pentius likes Cherri is because of her explosive devices more than because of her looks. 🤣
He's an inventor, he admires her ingenuity. He chose her as an arch nemesis because she has a similar skillset (except she's not completely inept.)
That look of pure dread and terror on Sera's face.
Not sure if that’s terror because how she now has to let ‘demonic riffraff’ into heaven or because this means that she allowed the deaths of billions of souls that all had the ability to be redeemed
@@FenDweller13 probably the latter, she doesn't seem malicious.
@@LiMe251Sarah’s malevolence takes on that self-righteous “I know best” beat rather than like comically evil “mwahaha I am so evil” malevolence, but her’s is more insufferable because its so hypocritical
31:15 On the picture we see Alastor, but the other other part is tore apart. However we can see Vox with an old TV for head, that means they were good friends in the past since Alastor agreed to take a picture with Vox. Also in stayed gone Alastor said that Vox wanted him to join his team so I really look foward to learning more about their relationship in season 2!!
Alastor did call Vox "old pal"
Yes that too
Adam smiled when he saw Lute.
The reason Alastor lost was because he didn’t take Carmilla’s advice like to not fight like your invincible and can’t be taken down, also to use angelic weapons but Alastor did what Carmilla said not to do, he was over confident and didn’t use an angelic weapon because he thought his powers would be enough another is he wasn’t doing it to protect anyone he simply doesn’t have that incentive yet. He fought for himself and to show off his power which ended poorly.
His powers did kill angels tho.
@@cherriexblossomsshis power seemed strong enough to mildly injure lessers angels but he still needed angelic weapons to fully kill them. Also he couldn’t rely on his massive demon/wendigo form as size and strength mean nothing against Adam’s axe, he could only safely rely on his shadow manipulation and minion summoning which weren’t nearly as effective as Charlie’s pitchfork
Another "very little" reason, is that he was completely outclassed, Adam didn't even use his holy beams
@@artur666stantsel I would argue a sword beam (guitar-axe beam?) counts in this context
Alastor never had a chance against Adam, he even said that a mortal soul is no match for him. Even if he had angelic weapons, the only reason he lasted that long was because Adam didn't use the angelic beams, and because he doesnt really have a lot of experience actually fighting. Alastor is strong, but Adam completely out ranks him
My current theory is that nifty is an overlord from the past like husker, and Vox recognized her, explaining why he said holy shit and then gave a smile (of what I can only guess to be pure joy)
Notice, normally, souls entering heaven appear at the pearly gates, so whatever controls where souls go explicitly dumped Sir Pentious in front of Emily and Sera.
Also, it is reasonable that Lucifer, like Sera, is aware of souls entering and exiting their domains, if you pay close attention to his lines in the song he says "you can do it, NOW I KNOW IT" meaning he is likely aware that a damned soul ascended to heaven
The song between Charlie and Vaggie at the start is a reprise of "More Than Anything", the song used at the end of episode 5 between Lucifer and Charlie.
Also, regarding Alastor having magic that could work against the angels. I think it's similar to how weapons effect sinners. Sinners can be injured and killed by any weapon, but only Angelic Weapons can permanently kill them and they'll heal from injuries caused by other types of threats. So while Alastor's powers can hurt the exorcists, he can't do permanent damage without angelic weapons.
I'm actually wondering if the permanently kill part is accurate considering angelic power did in Sir Pentious until it didn't.
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@@AirierThere's actually a bit of a debate regarding Sir Pentious's death and if Adam's power can kill sinners. Adam's energy blasts, while powerful, shouldn't be able to permanently kill sinners since they aren't made of Angelic Steel like the weapons are. Plus, if he could permanently kill hordes of demons with those energy blasts, why would he need his weapon or even the entire exorcist army to help kill them? As for Sir Pentious. Canonically, if a sinner is killed by a non-angelic weapon, they'll slowly revive themselves. So maybe his selfless act caused his "respawn" to occur in heaven instead of hell.
@@harleyronco6021 I guess the question comes down to "what is angelic steel"? Is it just blessed mundane metal, or is it, like the angels, made entirely of light?
@@harleyronco6021I understand and for the most part agree with you, but just because Adam has and uses a weapon doesn’t meant it’s necessary. The example comes to mind of Doomslayer, he can kill just as effectively if not more so without weapons, but chooses to use them anyway out of a hatred for demons. Plus, it is rather clear Adam wasn’t serious when fighting Alastor until the end, which is when he changed from using the weapon to his magic.
@@harleyronco6021 " Plus, if he could permanently kill hordes of demons with those energy blasts, why would he need his weapon or even the entire exorcist army to help kill them?" That answer is very simple:
"And for those of use with divine ordainment
Extermination is entertainment"
To put it simple: It's more fun for him this way
Also i suspect Vox was only watching Nifty there bc she's basically glued to Alastor. If anyone would know where he was it'd be her or Husk.
Lute didn’t have a deal with Lilith, no. Lilith had a deal with Adam, to stay in Heaven. Since Adam is dead, Lilith will have to make a new deal to stay, and Lute wants her to take on Charlie. Lute also having loved Adam, left heartbroken by his death.
In some way I sort of feel sorry for Sera after her reaction to Pentious being redeemed.
The things she allowed to happen were inexcusable and awful, but at her core she's just terrified and trying to protect her home and the people in it from a problem she doesn't understand well enough to confront and is now being forced to confront that all the horrible things she thought were necessary evils even if she didn't like them were ultimately pointless and achieved nothing but making things worse.
She really wasn't malicious in the way Adam and Lute were, just thoroughly in the wrong and too cowardly to confront the real problem going on because of the consequences she feared that would bring to Heaven.
I dont, shes just like Philippe Petain: lying to himself about "Doing whats necessary" while enthusiastically taking part in the Holocaust
I think it still kind of depends on how she acts after Sir Pentious showed up. If she tries to cover up him appearing or doesn't do anything to stop the exterminations or something, she knows what she's doing is bad and is continuing to do so, but if she does something to right the ship, then it's clear she didn't have evil intent.
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Agreed.
Overall my hopes for the next season are to see her suffer from massive and fully warranted guilt but I know it's all up in the air until the next season actually airs.
I'm just currently reading the way she was animated and framed in episode 6 as indicating a deeply mistaken well-intentioned extremist with conflicted feelings rather than a malicious killer reveling in the exterminations.
The show seemed to be trying to convey her as scared and unhappy but convincing herself that any other solution would hurt Heaven, so I at least think it's possible that having evidence shoved in her face like this could force her to be unable to go into denial anymore.
That or she’s terrified of ‘demonic filth’ being allowed into heaven, like a racist seeing a colored family moving into their neighborhood
It's not necessarily the case that Al hated helping, it's greatly implied that the deal he made restrains his power.
Seeing how he thought that he could kill Adam even with his power restrained, this most likely means that he is a lot more powerful without his deal.
He doesn't hate helping out, he hates being weak.
Vox and Valentino making out at 33:02 always cracks me the hell up. I really hope next season shows more of what I can only assume is their very dysfunctional relationship.
12:35 heaven bucks were shown in Cherubs episode. Cherubs don’t take them, since they most likely state company
Most likely what?
The fact that heaven even has currency should be a massive red flag that it’s not the paradise people think it is
@@anabsolnamednyx899that they work for the ‘government’ so to speak
RIP Dazzle may he rest in peace
i believe the "You should know better than anyone what a soul can accomplish when they take control of their own fate" is referring to Lilith or Eve, Lilith since she went against Adam's wishes and took control of herself, eve because she ate the apple that gave humanity free will.
0:26 It's more than rumor. The season 1 trailer confirmed a second season is already in production! The voice actors have been making posts recently about their recording sessions for their characters' lines.
2:17 Lol no, Pent was confirmed by the countdown livestream to be from Victorian England; he's British, not French.
11:35 It's a reprise of "More Than Anything" from episode 5 (as in a Broadway musical, songs come back in some form)
27:05 Fun fact: That spider demon at the bottom of this shot is Angel's brother Arackniss.
32:29 Viv already said the Vees are the primary villains of Season 2, but this definitely sets Alastor up as a time bomb to be a villain further down the road. Hopefully we can get breadcrumbs about who he's contracted to in the meantime.
Fun fact: Adam's face wothout the mask is based off of his voice actor
Also, after Lucifer sais "Your wife didn't seam to hare what I had to offer." He then said "or the second" MEANING HE DID IT WITH BOTH LILITH AND EVE
i think the "offer" part was more referring to the free will, which he offered to Lilith, and then they both offered it to Eve
I think he meant that he offered the fruit to eve
yaeh no@@auggieheart
@@auggieheart no, if he was referring to just the fruit then why the hip thrust right after
@@cosmo_sonata except he did the "bow-chick-a-bow-bow" noise...
All the overanalysis and you completely missed out on Adam's little smile when Lute came to him when he was dying. I was certain you'd have a whole essay on that moment.
invincible angel army meet rocks that can take arms away and furniture that hurts their faces im really suprised no one in hell has ever captured one of them like ever
The reason Alastor's magic could "hurt" them was because of the blunt force when they hit his shield. Consider it like how Lute smacked Vaggie's head against the table and her nose bled. The only special property an angelic weapon has against angels is the ability to pierce the skin. If you pay attention this stays consistent. Nothing other than angelic weapons will ever pierce the skin but other factors cause different kinds of harm. Like when Lute ripped Vaggie's wings off she held her down with her legs and pulled on her wings causing a lot of outward force that tore them. Same goes for Lute's arm. Her arm was crushed between two heavy boulders and she pulled, applying that outward force and causing a tear.
Welcome to the rabbit hole of theorizing after this first season ending x) There is a lot we can speculate but it's better to focus on the facts.
Lilith made a deal with Adam and it ended when he "died", if he really is. After all, Luth only took his halo, that could be proof enough if they weren't able to get the body back. But on the other hand, if Adam survived, then the deal would still be in place and Adam could experience life in hell, his righteous place. I saw some people speculate he might never have died after Lilith's betrayal in the first place. After all, it doesn't seem like Lilith died when she was sent in hell with Lucifer. So, it might just get judged now and forced to spend eternity in hell. I mean, wouldn't it be hilarious to see Adam staying at the hotel in order to get back in heaven ? Like, imagine Lucifer and Adam bickering all day ? That would be amazing x)
That aside, we don't know what the deal between those two was. Luth is implying Lilith wish to stay in heaven, the place she was destined to be in the first place. She's been missing for 7 years so Charlie doesn't know about it. But we don't know what Lucifer knows about that whole situation. We know they were a happy couple at some time based on the photos (but yet again, it was the same with Stolas and Stella so...) but then went divorced. Lucifer is obviously upset about the whole situation but we don't know why it happened in the first time, or how long it's been. We can see them of the same picture with a very old Charlie, but she's a 200 years old half-human half-angel being that looks like a 20 years old woman so... But one thing is for sure, Charlie knew them together for some time. Could it be that 7 years mark ? Lilith is never mentioned by Lucifer so we can't be sure of anything.
It could turn any way : Lilith being Adam's equal, she might just be as selfish and rude as him, while Eve being made from Adam might be a little more submissive. Maybe she just got fed up after 10.000 years of having her husband depressed and not doing much for their place. Or, maybe there is something more underneath it all. Like Adam, maybe she did die at some point and was deemed worthy of heaven. Luth said to us that Lucifer is responsible for the extermination only affecting sinners, not the hellborn. So the deal probably isn't about that. Maybe she has a secret that Adam doesn't want to be revealed. Funny that he doesn't mentioned her as well to Charlie. It's only "Lucifer's daughter" while legend says Lilith was the one to gave hell its power. Maybe she was the threat Sera seems to be so afraid of. And we don't know if Sera knows Lilith is even in heaven now, since we know even hight rank angels doesn't know anything, like Emily. And since we don't know how hierarchy works in heaven, or if God even exists... Anyway, it seems strange that Adam would accept Lilith deal if he didn't gain anything from it. Maybe, under the bravado, he's a more complex character. We don't know what effect had the apple on him and Eve. Maybe they became corrupted by it. After all, Adam had a very gentle smile for Luth when he died and she seemed to really appreciate him.
That brings us to Eve case. She's even less present that Lilith, only mentioned in the legend and by Lucifer at the end. The root of all evil, we might say. Did she end up with Adam in heaven ? Sera mentioned he was the first soul to get there, not that we was with someone. Maybe Eve ended up in hell for her "crime", especially if she was the first tempted by Lucifer and Lilith. But, if she was part of Adam, doesn't that mean he should have follow the same path ? We didn't see her at the council. Even if she is lower rank than Adam, Luth was here so... For now, her fate is still a mystery, but maybe she is what Sera was afraid of. Some people think she might be Roo, an antagonist showed by Vivzypop who has a strange tongue. Since Eve ate the apple, it might checked.
Now, about Alastor. We know he made a contract with someone and deeply regret it now. When did that happened ? First time he came to hell, to gain all that power over the overlords ? After all, no one knows why he's so powerful, and I don't think his past can justify it. Or was it 7 years ago, when he went missing ? Valentino mentioned he almost beat Vox that time, but we don't know what it means. Was it on the popular side of things, or a more fighting situation ? If so, it means that, even if Vox seems afraid and obssessed by Alastor, he still beat him at his own game. Surely, there has to be a connection between Alastor and Lilith. You don't throw the 7 years thing if it doesn't mean a thing. We know neither Lucifer nor Adam made a deal with Alastor because they didn't recognized him. You could say Alsator didn't recognized Pentious as well despite their...20 meetings before he join the hotel ? So yeah, maybe, but Pentious did mentioned it while Alastor presented himself to those 2. And, reasonably speaking, if his deal with Charlie wasn't enough to break his chains, then it must be someone above her. Yet, we know Charlie is the most powerful in hell after Lucifer himself. Or, maybe it's a matter of "everlasting bounding" deal like Stolas mentioned to Asmodeus in Helluva Boss. Anyway, despite all this, he's still traped. Some maybe his deal was with Lilith, Eve or Roo. I didn't thinj the system is so broken than Alastor would be able to end up in heaven as a mistake x)
So yeah, lot of thought, only specualtions and a major headache x) Can't wait for season 2 but let's give them time. Hopefully, they'll get more episode to develop the story. And, before that, let's prepare ourself for the heartbreak that "Full Moon" is gonna be in Helluva...
I'm decently confident Keke is more than just a cat. Not just because she's powerful, but I think she's some sort of divine artifact made animate. She might even be a hidden Chekov's gun. She was even in the first scene of the canon series being the key that was the focus of the first frame when we came out of the prelude to Charlie and Vaggie talking. Then we keep getting innocuous scene here and there reminding us that she's still a thing. But it's also not like Fat Nuggets, where they just make an appearance, but the scenes she appears she's a focal point. But she's not addressed other than Charlie picking her up, or petting her. She's not important yet. But I'm confident she'll be part of the bigger picture muuuch later.
Well, considering that Lucifer created Kiki, Razzle and Dazzle, you're not wrong.
I think this is a cool detail Kiki being the "key from the town", that's why Lucifer is able to speed build.
This episode really does a fantastic job showing how much of a threat Adam is. I believe Vivzie mentioned it before in a Q&A video but Angels have a natural advantage against demons so no matter how strong a demon is, it takes a whole lot to overcome that natural advantage. And as we see with his fight against Alastor, it doesn't matter if his fighting style is sloppy, he has so much god damn power that he can just brute force anything. Well, anything except another angel. And sneak attacks. As for Sir Pentious's death, I feel like it was mishandled but that stems from the show's pacing issues. It just happened too fast, we weren't even given enough time to absorb what happened before something else starts happening. They should have taken their time and drag it out a little bit more. Also KeeKee can become a Keyblade. Does that mean Lucifer was part of the Keyblade Wars? And if so, do you think he knows Master Xheanort?
Charlie is half angel, and clearly was still holding back against Adam.
Why were Lute and the other exorcists so weak? Sinners were killing them left and right with the weapons, and Lute struggled lifting her arm out of rubble before tearing it off.
@@bgvo4373 What do you mean weak? They decimated the cannibals or did you not see that?. Also "Lute struggled lifting her arm out of rubble before tearing it off." What does that have to do with anything I said?
@@bgvo4373 And? That doesn't make Adam any less of a gigantic threat
Interesting fact: Lucifer is implied to be a Seraphim in this show, given the fact his wing number is 6 like Sera and Emily, which we haven't seen anyone else with that amount except possible the angel shadows in some scenes. And Vivzie confirmed that only an angel of higher rank than Lucifer can smite him. So this tells 2 things.
1. There's some rank above a Seraphim
2. If Charlie got hurt all the way at the start and Lucifer popped in, he could have taken down the entire exorcist army on his own because they can't kill him and his powers are way higher than theirs
Best part of that final scene with Sir Pentious, Emily, and Sera is that its not speculation that they would recognize Pentious as he was very much visible during the meeting in Episode 6 as Angel was right by Cheri the whole time and Pentious kept trying to flirt with her.
One thing that most people never realize, is that Kiki is the embodiment of the hotel. She turns into the key of the hotel, the one that Lucifer uses to create the beams that we see in the final song, and eventually becomes the giant eyeball at the top of the new hotel.
Season 2 was confirmed with the release date for season 1.
I think Lilith made a deal with Adam that's why Lute brought the halo
12:55 Charlie's dress is apple themed 😅
Alastor didn't have the power to deal with Angels. He could at best hold them off for a bit, but he couldn't kill them.
I'd wager a big part of why Alastor wants out of his deal isn't just to be free to do as much evil as he wants, but the fact that he is on a leash. For someone like him, that probably feels like the biggest humiliation to bear.
Rumors are true, before season one released amazon release a thing saying season 2 was being produced
so fun fact with subtitles on when he says "great Alastor Altruist" as you can see altruist is capitalized why is unknown but it being his potential full name is a neat theory
This has been debunked by the staff and Alastor's VA. great Alastor, altruist... Is the correct line. Amazon just subtitled it wrong.
@@rychu7812 darn sad to hear cuz i'm not gonna lie that alliteration went hard but nor surprising
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Luzifer is a Keyblade-Master!
...was he once Sora?
Love your reactions, you notice things a lot of others don't. The part with Alastor having a sort of heart-to-heart conversation with Nifty was interesting, as he genuinely seemed to be fond of the hotel and it's people. But after him almost dying he reminded himself he's there for a reason. To break free and have revenge. Alastor, altruist almost died for his friends. He's going to throw sentiments out the window. And Lilith made a deal with Adam. Her first husband, to stay in heaven? She's been in heaven for 7 years, and it's thought that Alastor had a deal with her. Or a deal involving her and Charlie. BY THE WAY, did anyone notice the smile Adam gave Lute when he died? Like he was looking at his love for the last time. ALSO, if Sir Pentious got into heaven, does that mean Adam could come back in hell? I know, very long comment, but watching you speculate makes me speculate lol.
Looks like niffty really stuck it IN the man
He looked like a bug. 😁
@@Airier Weird looking beetle indeed 😂
25:43 I always thought it was metaphorical. Like Adam didn’t literally give birth to all people, but the Earth appeared as it was from a scientific point of view 10 thousand years ago.
This would possibly explain the absence of Abel and Cain in Hazbin's universe. And another thing that Mammon is Australian(I know that he is not a human, but rather in the concept understanding that when the sin of greed appeared, people were in Australia, at least)
OF COURSE ADAM DIDN'T GIVE BIRTH TO THEM WHY AND HOW WOULD HE
I might be stupid but how does that explain Abel and Cain's absence?
Alastor survived …like a roach
The song "More than Anything" in this episode is actually a reprise; originally, Charlie and Lucifer sang it in episode 5.
That first song is actually a reprise of More than Anything, the second song from Episode 5 that Lucifer and Charlie sung together which is probably where you recognize it.
0:14 How DARE you disrespect Loser, Baby like this. The rumors are true
Am I the only one who noticed that Adam didn't knew who Alastor is, but he knew about Angel Dust? O-o
adam took control of his own fate by also eating the fruit (most commonly thought to be an apple but it says fruit) and not listening to Gods plan for them.
I’m pretty sure Vox knows the Alastor is still alive because in the song they say overlords hanging by a thread like he’s weak but not dead
Adam should know how much a person could do when they took control of their own fate bc he's literally the first man, the first creature with free will ever created. Then of course Eve ate the apple and the two were each cast from the garden of Eden where they no longer really had to live according to the rules set by God but could live as they chose. He saw Eve entirely disregard God's direct orders not to eat the apple, she took charge of her own fate and he saw that. Those are my theories anyway.
adam had a deal with lilith, now that he died, the deal is done, she can't be in heaven anymore, which was part of the deal
So... Yet another theory here:
The deal between Adam and Lilith probably involved her helping him travel to and from Hell in exchange for getting to stay in heaven.
Her deal with Alastair seems to be something akin to 'Protect my daughter' since she caught wind of the 'Happy Hotel'. Either to sabotage the hotel so she gives up or see the daughter happy and healthy. Either way, Alastair is stuck serving Charlie whether he or she likes it or not. He's content with helping her seemingly by choice because Charlie might be able to get him out of his deal. As for why she owns his soul, Alistair practiced voodoo. He likely had ties to her before death, and after dying, he had power from their contract. When Lilith went to heaven, he was dragged along and lost much of his power and free reign. This is why he seems so strong, and likely why he thought he could fight Adam since he has power from Lilith, aka a source on par with Adam's.
"I didn't know this was from Hazbin. Or have they taken it from somewhere else?"
Does it count as "somewhere else" if its a reprise from earlier that season?
Heyy i noticed some details in episode 1 when adam sayed ugly people he looked at us and he has the same voice actor as fizzaroly und sir pentious:3 and he is a bit like a bird he is holding his wings at his side i think hes a funny charakter:,)
More Than Anything is indeed from Hazbin Hotel, it's actually from 3 episodes earlier when Charlie and Lucifer sing it together instead.
More than anything, was also sung in an earlier episode between Lucifer and Charlie
I think Adam had the deal and now that he's dead, Lute is telling her the deal is off.
My theory on Alastor is if we can take his song Insane as canon I'm pretty sure alastor somehow got to heaven before going to hell.
I think there's more to the angels taking the Halos back than it seems, because Lute made a point of taking Vaggie's and handing it to Adam when they condemned her to Hell as well.
Two things about the songs and one fun fact about lucifer! For starters the reason lucifer was late was explain in episode 1 and 5. Lucifer made a deal he wont step in ob extermination as long as no death comes toward a hellborne. He only steps in after razzle (or dazzle, forget whicu is which) was killed. He couldent before. (Or it was because adam had hurt charlie and was about to kill her as she is also a hellborne but you know what i mean, amazing writeing that isent called out often.) Number two, more then anything with charlie and vaggie was a reprise of more then anything with lucifer and charlie! Showing charlies connections with the same song is so fricken cute. And finally i love in the end when alastor is haveing a mental breakdoen because hes saying that he was actually growing soft to the cast but refuses to give into charlies ideals. He refuses to be the friend that dies for the cause and belives in it, no thats not who he is or at least who hes been convinceing himself he is all these years. Its why when someone tries to put him down it tsints the image he has made for himself and he gets really upset. Its so intressting that he desprete to get out of the dela and to avoid becomeing soft in the process.
16:37 Adam was the second human to acquire free will. i. e. The ability to take charge of one’s fate.
Sir Pentious met his Waterloo
Someone pointed out that during the scene where Alastor and Nifty talk on the balcony, you can see Sir Pentious telling Charlie about his feelings for Cherri, which connects to the scene you noticed where he tried to confess and we see Charlie gushing hearts in the background lol ❤
I remember that guitar riff when Adam signals the attack. It's reminiscent of Flash Gordon's Hawkmen Battle.
I think the implication is that Lilith made a deal with Adam to allow the angels into hell to do the extermination in exchange for her being allowed in Heaven. Lute took the hall presumably because as lieutenant when Adam died, she inherited his position as captain / leader of the army and his halo was a signifier of his rank - notice its golden while the exorcists have black halos. When Vaggie fell they stole her halo too so it’s clearly significant to an angel’s status.
Now that Adam is dead, Lilith is at risk of getting kicked from Heaven if she doesn’t do what Lute says, I.e. go try to rein in Charlie so she’s not redeeming sinners.
Ye Alastor was waaaaay too cocky fighting against Adam. he had giant freaking angelic steel axes, and only used his demonic powers, against him. If that shadow that snook up on Adam would have held an angelic blade when it got Adam under his chin, Alastor would have won right there, stabbing him.
Also, Alastor surviving that is a BS plot armor scene. Adam could have blasted him with his holy power before he disappeared, and he had no reason not to. He wanted to kill every Demon, starting with every one at the hotel...why would he let Alastor go like that?
My theory at this point is that each heavenly villain is representative of a deadly sin. Lute is unquestionably wrath, Adam's likely pride, meanwhile I suspect Sera might fit for sloth. If Lilith counts, I'd say whatever deal she made to get into heaven would make her a match for envy. It'll be interesting next season to see if this holds up.
As for who Alastor made a deal with, the smart money seems to be on Lilith, but I've also seen some people suggesting it's Eve. Honestly both make sense to me
Yep, not just a some snakes thing, but basically an all snakes thing. In fact, an all squamates, so all snakes and lizards (Including everything from legless lizards, over skinks and monitor lizards to chameleons etc.)
It's one of the weird bits of info from randomly learning about it regularly on the internet, or in some cases because of stumbling over furry/scalie porn...
So evidence that Alastor had made a deal with Lilith, 1. In the polit you see him staring at her in the picture with the royal family. 2. Zesitial mention him falling to holy arms. 3. The first thing he did it seems like when he returned was find Charlie. 4. He does just about everything they ask him to do at the hotel, while other characters point out that he is not the type of person to involve himself with it. 5. He tells Adam that he should know what happen when a soul takes their own fate into their hands (but how would he know that information? Unless he spoke to Lucier about Adams position in heaven to prepare for their battle which is possible, but I doubt it because he doesn't like him, and he didn't know about Adam's god rays.) 6. They both disappeared for 7 years. ( And in the polit Alastor shows up shortly after Charlie calls her mom for advice.)
Just to be clear, the ability to read, and a bored night in any motel is all it takes to know about the book of Genesis
@zipzapper0 Was he referring to Genesis? I guess so. I just thought it was interesting that Adam is a higher ranking angel instead like the other saved souls. Maybe he was just given that because he was the first man? I just thought it was interesting.
Emily's squeak was adorable.
My understanding is that yes there will be a second season and they have already since the beginning contracted with Amazon and all that for three seasons since the very beginning. The initial contract was for three seasons from the start
I'm so glad Alastor lost. It'll be good for his development (he was being pretty cocky) and it wouldn't have made any sense if he was strong enough to beat such an influencial angel.
11:38 It’s the song Luci and Charlie sang in episode 5.
I won't lie, I almost thought Alastor would have an Alucard 'level zero' moment, but sadly that didn't work as I hoped. Might be a chance for it later.
It's supposed to be 2 years until season 2 🫤
Lillith made a Deal with Adam and the Deal was the extermination. Sera said that she agreed with Adams "yearly activities" meaning that Adam brought it up to her. And since Adam is dead now the Deal (the extermination, now cancelled) is done. Also Sera stated that hell was uprising and who empowered demon kind with her voice? Lillith. So the Deal was that Lillith (who seemed to be the more ruling part anyway bc Lucifer was busy dealing with his own shit) allows/arranges the extermination to happen and for that she gets to stay in heaven.
They're already recording season 2, with Amir (Alastor) saying one of the songs from season 2 is stuck in his head. Also, season 3 of Helluva Boss is confirmed already.
Alastor die for his friends he actually cares about his friends
I am curious exactly why Alastor didn't use any angelic weapons when fighting Adam, especially given I counted 3 points in that fight where Alastor(or the one minion) landed would have been able to kill Adam an angelic weapon been involved. The two ideas I have are either ego or what I consider more likely(considering that Alastor did use angelic weapons on the other exorcists) is that Adam was specifically being protected by the constraints of Alastor's deal.
The second idea would make perfect sense given Lilith is the one who owns Alastor's soul, since we now know she had a personal interest in keeping Adam alive. I also thought the lack of angelic weapons was odd, considering he seemed to have no problem using them against other angels, which he likely would if it was only a matter of pride. Obviously she wouldn't have let Alastor get away with killing Adam and making whatever deal she made void.
The first song is also a reprise of the song with Charlie and Lucifer
Why does no one ever comment that Vox and Valentino eat each other's mouths!
They are literally a couple without the title XD
When I was watching at least 3 reactors in a row (same "group" -- Wee Lass (Mosco), Not-so-Average Fangirl (Elijah), and Morgan Terry ) all paused, went back, and expressed disgust
😂