I spectated one of the BEST bronze moiras I've ever seen in Overwatch
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Hey! I am the Moira from this clip. Thank you for reviewing this! You've given me a lot to think about and I'll put it into action.
hello! You are pretty good moira for the bronze, really your gameplay was cool! I wish you to upgrade your skills more to get top 500!
when i was in silver (it was around 1700 sr) i use only moira to get gold, i picked gold with moira and it was around 2400 sr. It was hard for me, but i did it. Now I am 3k sr, i picked it with ana (most of the time) and mercy.
u had some good plays there, could have been silver....use ur fade to escape difficult situations not to go from A to B, u can and u should dps more in bronze, ur targets are the squishys 1st and generally pple without shields and armor (no tanks, not torb)...keep doing the strafing part thats great, never stay still, take a decision, make a plan and execute it quickly dont just wait and hope for miracles from ur trash team...be ur teams miracle and u will climb
Nice gameplay. You most certain will get into silver / gold in OW2 playing aggressive Moira.
@@BAIARJ Thank you! I think I about to hit silver tonight!
Hi! I wanted to share -- I just hit gold. Thank you so much, Flats!
congrats !!
the power of moira
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congrats!
yay!
At 13:00, Moira conciously seemed to stop damage after seeing a Sym get slept. This person suffers the fate of low elo supports - they want to be a good teammate and not take the match into their own hands at the expense of their teammates talking shit about them and blaming them. They put themselves in danger to support and try to save their teammates' absolutely TRASH decisions. I know this support feeling too well.
Then the support will get yelled at because they can't keep their idiot teammates alive.
as a bloodthisrty moira main, i just flame them back lol i cant outheal their bad decisions
dont want to get "heal you dumb moira" yelled at me
@@mariaclarasal8751 "I cant outheal your bad decisions" Imma use that for later
I'm new to OW but I do this in League of Legends as well. If a teammate positions badly, I don't go out of my way to help them.
6:59
i like how flats is giving compliments to moira along with the clapping and she responds with "thank you"
Yeah, perfect timing.
Reached G1 in this first season of OW2 thanks to the feedback from Flats!
Good job man!
Congrats
Congrats
moira moment
The real character arc
Actual tip for this Moira: Just Tap your healing don’t hold it down. You’re wasting your resources.
This. This. This. If your teamate gets 1 shotted from bad positioning it's on them. You don't need to spam heal unless ur mid fight
Unless you need to quickly heal a low hp tank middle fight
I've noticed a lot of teammates don't realize that. They see damage from Moira, and they're not being doused in heals, they think you're doing nothing. They also completely ignore the fact that you *have* to damage to get back your heals, and will rage so hard at you.
They REALLY need to learn better use of fade too.
"Stop using fade to travel 3 feet or to engage"
"Actually use it to escape when you can"
"Use fade to reposition better- the jump boost is incredibly good for it"
The number of useless fades in this replay are incredibly frustrating as was watching them not taking advantage of the jump boost to take high ground AND watching them actually die when it was available to use.
Another tip: Heal lingers for a bit, so you can tap heal full hp allies *before* going into a fight, so they automatically start healing when they take initial chip damage, while your healing recharges a bit. Then proceed with tap healing unless someone is literally being beamed down and will die if you dont full commit to healing them
I play a lot of Moira but the single worst thing is every team mate will abuse you calling you a DPS Moira even if they see you so much as tickle an enemy with secondary fire. It’s literally how she charges her healing!
Just a day after seeing this video I played Moira in a game and we won it due to me being admittedly a bit DPS, but I snuck around and ulted both supports and a Bastion. I got POTG and just got abused by a guy saying I 'stole' their POTG by being a DPS Moira! At my rank (gold/plat) if you are a passive support nothing ever happens. Your team mates will sit at a choke all day, you have to be a bit DPS to get anywhere. Obviously if I get higher in rank that won't work. But at my current rank that's how you win usually.
It's fine to be a moira dps, your team don't die if the ennemy team is dead right
@@ShaunLevett offensive support ults are match winners.
Top tip : When the team calls you a DPS Moira, say thank you and you hope their dps will be as worthwhile as yours was carrying the game.
Right???
here's a lil tip for moiras: if you are low on healing juice, you can spam right click on an enemy and it gives you a lot more juice quicker. hold the button when you wanna do damage, tap it for resources.
Fr? Thanks for the info :D I'll test that out next time I'm on Moira
Good tips ty
Fr daaamm i will try thi out ty❤
I can appreciate what you are saying about going for more DPS, but as someone who was reported for throwing because I wasn't doing 100% healing, it is hard at lower ranks to do that without someone on the team thinking that you are the reason they died. It had nothing to do with the fact they charged across the map as a one man army and got rolled by half their team.
I cannot say the amount of times my rein stands in the middle of a big open space instead of near a corner, gets his shield broken, and dies because he is so far from the nearest cover and blames heals for not out healing the damage from six people.
Exactly! Same. It’s usually a tracer or a doom way off in the enemy back line too. Sorry, I can’t heal through 47 walls my guy
About to say the same thing. People really like to diss supports players even if they are the carry.
Yeah, until diamond supports are called healers
Honestly you simply shouldn't give a single fuck what some low rank team mate thinks is the right play. If they knew what right plays were, they wouldn't be fucking stuck in low ranks. If your team doesn't have good synergy by default, and nobody is clearly stepping up to carry, then you need to ensure your own carry potential is maxed out. If you can't carry, you don't deserve to climb and people need to realize this. Just doing "the right job" isn't carrying. It's accepting status quo, and then at best both teams draw.
Your team won't flame you if you're able to kill enemies at an impactful timing, because then they won't receive increased damage thus not need increased healing. If your kill comes too late though, or you end up just trading or don't make it back to your team after you got the kill, then your efforts are wasted.
I love how flats is too nice to actually roast halfway decent players and these just end up as coaching lol.
This is another one I feel like could EASILY get out of bronze with just a *little* assistance.
2:54 Its better to have everyone on board with a bad plan than to have everyone trying 6 different plans ^^
Then you have to have a premade group.
That's like. Gold to Diamond Elo advice.
For Bronze you just need to commit yourself to doing something.
@@blueboy1958 No bro, it's life advice
One tip I have for bronze moira's. Hard focus the enemy mercy if they have one. You can gain a ton of value with a mercy trade in low elo
thats like the tip for every game no matter who you are.
@@tehf00n moira is just the easiest hero in low elo against a mercy.
@@CharterForGaming she's definitely for a good setup for taking her out but a good mercy will stay at max range and you won't get near. At full height of her Q jump, you can't r-click her at all. You have to wait for it to drop off. So timing is everything.
"Dps Moira is a legitimate play style."
Everyone in ow2: 💀
what happened in OW2 to change it?
@data_5674 nothing really. People just don't like Moira who play like that
I love how the Moira thanked Flats at 7:00
Literally everytime I try to get picks, my team says "Moira, you're Healer not DPS"
like, fuck! Ive been waiting for genji to get 1 kill for half the match, ill do it myself 😂
The problem here is the moira is giving the enemy team too much credit. She keeps waiting for the carry on her team, when she needs to be that carry. She needs to wait for her team to be in a position to push and then dive that backline and squishies. Can easily carry at this elo by holding right click.
When you play Moira the only utility you bring to the group is damage. If you aren't putting out the damage on the squishies and securing those kills, you'd be better off on literally any other support cause they all do something better
Indeed. In lower ranks, individual plays and carry potential is what matters most. In high ranks individual ability to cooperate and execute team work is what wins games.
This is exactly why I love moira. I tend to be a bit of an ape and run it down so her aggressive playstyle really suits me. It's just kinda rough when you're with a team that absolutely refuses to dive with you lol
As a Moira one trick that confession broke my heart 😢
As someone that mains Moira I’m taking these tips with a mix of some other high tier player tips. Especially cuz I suffer from similar issues to this Moira
1:30 I agree but there ARE 2 good skins for Moira they are: Blackwatch and Scientist those are the only just inherently decent skins. Banshee, Mask Dancer, and Venus are ok if you wanna get freaky. All default skins are doggie tho.
Get freaky skins is always right for freaky heroes.
Yep.
Other way around. Banshee and Mask Dancer are the best ones for her
Moira is a genius level scientist, which in and off itself garners my respect. Furthermore, Moira basically created Reaper. Without Moira's experiments and understanding of biology, Reaper would not exist or be as powerful as he is now, which means that a big portion of Talon's strength actually stems from Moira, making her likely the second most important Talon member, right after Doomfist.
Moira is also sassy af. She takes no shit from anyone and goes around telling people they're idiots (because they are compared to her) like she's doctor House. Sure I would hate her in real life, but at least she has a unique personality for a fictional story.
Just some of the reasons for why she's not so bad.
she knows she’s the it girl 💅
I think people just don’t like her character design tbh. If they leaned harder into her half healing and half damaging sides almost like 2 face from Batman she’s probably be more interesting to look at. At the moment her design looks a little conflicting.
Love Moira for all of these reasons. Especially with her new voicelines in OW2.
@@Gweivyth LITERALLY!!!!
She's also the one who's responsible for turning Widow into blue. She might even have took part in brainwashing Sigma too which is the strongest character in Overwatch so far.
Controversial take- other than Blackwatch, the base Moira skin is actually her best.
Scientist and OG only real skins
Blackwatch and Scientist.
I agree
As a Moira player, I felt that panic Coalescence as the ulting Reaper deep in my soul. :((
6:49 flats :* gives a compliment * Moira: thank you
"You have too much healing".
You assume Bronze Anas can actually hit their shots.
As gold ana that genuinely misses stationary teammates I can second this
ok.. as a 'Nolan' irl, who also played moira quite a bit, I always wondered why Flats would called Wanted 'Nolan', even though it was clearly a troll. I did not know about the real Nolan moira one trick.
I really like this Moira's playstyle. Reminds me of how I sometimes play her in Quick play, especially that strafe she did while being beamed by Zarya. (I actually said "YES" IRL when she successfully got away from her.)
Thank you!
@@PimpingWolfwood - You're welcome! 😊
Dude finally someone who gets it, I've been getting flak for how I play Moira (not full DPS but I typically out damage atleast one dps lol) and I'm getting yelled at by DPS for healing tank and not them. I'm like "tank is a hundred times more important than you" I also love to target their heals
Is there a consistent time for these? I’ve been trying to catch them live for months but I always seem to miss them
he usually does them at the beginning of the stream before going into comp or when the stream is for farming youtube content (at least what i've noticed in the streams i've been in, don't think there's a schedule for bronze reviews)
he usually does them at the beginning of the stream before going into comp or when the stream is for farming youtube content (at least what i've noticed in the streams i've been in, don't think there's a schedule for bronze reviews)
The whole point of the moira fade is to put yourself in what would be a bad position for any other character and then get away for free. She's a lot like reaper in that light
At 6:55 that moria "thank you" was perfect timing.
You know youve done something right when Flats go from roasting you to complimenting you and teaching you how to get even better
A piece of advice I’d probably give would be to make more use of the level geometry when throwing out orbs -especially the heal orb.
At 2:15 the Moira just threw her orb in a straight line at her Rein, wasting it. If she had bounced it off of the truck to her left, it would’ve bounced to the wall immediately to her right, the wall adjacent to that, and then probably off randomly into the map. But, she would’ve made so much more use out of it than throwing it straight out did.
Unless you’re trying to chase down a distant enemy or teammate with one of your orbs, I would recommend never just throwing them out. Always bounce them; not only does it give you more use, but it makes it harder to evade or eat them.
The actual physics of Moira's orbs in relation to map objects is not consistent enough to make going for "trickshots" worth it. You need to have very precise aim to make bounces like that, even a millimeter off can often send it flying in the complete opposite direction. One of the most efficient places to throw it is the direct path your team is taking, towards the fight. If your Rein doesn't hold W and walk with it, that's his fault.
Source: Every pro Moira player
So rough on this poor guy! This guy is better than Moiras I get in plat sometimes, dude did great!
He's being rough cause she's actually decent and has alot of potential
There is such a thing as overhealing. In my mind it makes sense to dps to eliminate them before they eliminate your team. Wipe them faster than they wipe you, heal and dps. Kiss the ouchies of your team and then slap the enemy team for doing that. Dps to keep yourself and everyone else alive, heal to keep yourself and everyone else alive. Always be mindful on when to backup and let the stupid ones go.
The problem is no one below masters knows how to balance healing and damage
i genuinely loved your constructive criticism after spectating many videos with pure digust 😂
Wow this is SO DIFFERENT to the mercy just standing on the cart not moving the whole game. This makes me realise how much diversity there is in bronze :D
After watching this I got a lot of confidence to jump into comp (been scared to lol). I've been playing unranked and doing very good as moira DPS. A lot of the things Flats mentioned I already do.
As a Moira main I loved this video because flats may not like anything about Moira but at least he understands how to use her properly and explained her pros and cons for different situations instead of just trashing her for no reason.
Blackwatch Moira is her best skin
first time in history moira is being flamed for throwing healing orbs instead if damage
10:44 i dont think he had interact bound lmao
I think that's blue teams tp lmao
Why did I get Monica (from Friends) vibes when Flats started going W! W! W! W! W!
Bro said "hit the gym" 💀
1:16
which Moira main hurt you bro?? LMAO!!
The sheer amount that they held their left click to heal hurt lmao. Tap it baby tap it.
Love Moira she has great healing output. I'm in Plat, and when my dps is refusing to do their jobs I bring out the dps Moira, it's so fun to just murder the shit of of their support and dps. You end up getting flamed alot but hey if no one else wants to make play I will
"Very afraid for no reason." - ~literally every Support in Bronze~ 🤣🤣
Lol, that lucio not taking the TP. POTG right there, haha.
I try to keep well rounded so I can swap on any position if needed, but Moira is usually my first pick when playing support because it's really easy to get value out of her (at least in silver/gold territory). Played well, you can out damage AND out heal the rest of your team, and her ability to delay objective progression can be ridiculous between the orbs and the fade. Great ability to flank. REALLY hurts to see all the chances this Moira blew especially with the improper use of fade.
I have a question.
In low rank being suport is very difficult because you dont know who to fallow. Everyone runs to different points on the map. Who should i fallow when no one is actually going the right way.
Depends on the support you are
If you are Mercy go with a hitscan
Moira go with main tank always
Ana or Bap stay behind everyone in high ground
Lucio go with Rein if there is no Rein go with main tank
Brig... I don't know I don't play her
Zen stay behind but not far away, stay close to dps
At least that is my thought procces
Imo it's best to follow someone who you think could be your winning condition. Notice how your teammates are playing, who's getting kills, survives longer, etc. Try to support them and it might work out :') It can be a Hog, it can be any DPS, etc. Just maybe don't follow the other healer, let them follow another part of ur team :')
@@KanityOnePieceChill a lot of support players need to heat this. Follow the per making good decisions and yall can carry.
6:55 Seems like Moira is saying "thank you" to Flats complimenting and clapping and then "understood" when Flats gave advice.
Playing Moira is a test in will power because no matter how well you do, you will always get flamed by everyone. I had a game with 35 elims, more healing then the other support and I would still get flamed whenever a team mate died. I have healing orbed a 50hp tank and they flamed me for not using damage orb despite the fact I saved their life.
And God forbid you get targeted by a sombra as a Moira because no one will help you purely because your Moira.
I felt this on a personal level
Moira has some great skins. Halloween, Blackwatch, Venus. Plus, her character is sarcastic and she sounds like she's either mind-fucking people or just 1000% done with everyone's bullshit. And I mean I hate Doomfist but I can still objectively say he has great skins. But you do you 😏
Me: *joyfully dancing as flats exudes his hot takes on Moira*
7:01 Moira thanks flat’s compliment
I love playing Moira but no matter what you do your teammates will get toxic and scream at you whenever they die at some point wherever you're doing a bad job or not
Lucio falling off. Was best part of video.. lol
when you said "thats a lot of games won for that sr." i looked back at my last seasons bronze games. i won over 40 (pretty sure) and i had only gotten to silver at the end of the season. sobbing
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D: Moira hate makes me sad.
Lol Nooooo hurt my feels to hear how Flats talks about Moira. She is the reason I even bought the game in the first place I love everything about her xD
This is the most helpful Moira player I've ever seen.
Moira is the best dps hero in low rank, because you cant miss.
This
I have been hardstuck gold for since 2017 and started playing Moira as a DPS RECENTLY and climbed to low masters.
The best advice I could give is to not be afraid to 1v1 enemy supports/dps. I know it's not as easy after the dps passive, but once you conquer your fear of dying, you'll start adding much more value to the team fight as a whole.
Also, learn to be generous with your damage orb and selfish with your heal orb. Unless the situation is dire, I'd rather use left click to heal a critical teammate. Last piece of orb advice is to learn how to throw your orbs properly. If you bounce them properly to where they stay within you/your ally's range, you'll always get the full use out of them and you can basically damage AND sustain throughout its entire duration. Little things like that allows you to aggressive aand DPS while ALSO making sure your team doesn't die.
Venus skin is awesome, what you talking about no good skins 😩
He’s probably my fav content creator of all time, but his takes on skins are consistently pretty fuckin wack
Nah that bih hideous lmao
flats has Odd takes nothing is new
Tbh he always has bad taste in skins , he called anas gladiator skin bad
banshee and blackwatch too
7:00 lol, the moira says 'thank you' in response to Flats compliment.
Seeing this video has made me want to get back to my win grind for kiriko after hearing some stuff you had to say, love it lmao
Tesla is the Top 500 Moira that I learned from - he plays the hyper aggressive, get kills and occasionally heal Moira and it works amazing!
7:35 daboyu daboyu daboyu 🤘
It's weird cuz I remember playing Moira and doing what flats is saying in first point attack by throwing damage orb then fading behind and sucking em but then my braindead teammate gets mad and says dps Moira stop and heal bruh moment
Would love to see the role breakdown that Flats was talking about in video form, sounded very interesting.
The eterna song ❤
I used to be scared, but then I went and talked to some people, now I have courage
Moira’s only good skin is her Venus skin and even that’s severely lacking somehow.
This moira is indeed a good one.
Incredibly is actually an adverb and not an adjective
You give some really good and helpful advice not just for bronze
"You're one of those bloodthirsty moiras"
*YES.*
Thanks for all the awesome advice. You have definitely improved my play style.
The fact that I'll continue to watch you despite your dislike of Moira is a credit to my magnanimous nature and willingness to forgive. You would understand her appeal if you were a WLW trust me.
Nah that has nothing to do with it, he just has bad taste
First video I am watching. Man I love how you coach, you really feel bad for the person. I love it hahaha bless you
Flats just screaming W repeatedly is me at my team while muted in 90 percent of games lol.
I felt this on a spiritual level. Make so many callouts no one will hear because I never join voice chat lmao
A cool thing I've learned about Moira is that you can get more value out of her orbs by shooting them at the feet of your teammates/enemies, as it sticks around slightly longer.
hmm someone said shooting them horizontally is better, because it bounces off your team twice and depletes more rather than targeting someone and hitting their feet.
@terror7858 Unless there's a wall in front of you, the orb doesn't go backward. Just test it for yourself, but I can easily get 15k heals on Moira by shooting the health orb near their feet because it hits them on the way down and on the way back up.
Genuinely
flats gives me the coach from cool runnings, hard but fair and helps them get better.
Overwatch professional coaching in a nutshell 7:37
definitely not bronze I'd say gold or higher, I think they just don't play enough or get unlucky, I think support is the hardest to rank up in tbh.
I like the part where he said
"You double! You double! You double!"
Finally a spectating bronze video that accurately reflects how it feels to play in low rank
I’m with you flats; i despise, absolutely loathe moira. Playing as or against, she genuinely drains the fun out of me faster than she drains the life out of others heroes
The thing about Ana in bronze...is that they land 1 in 7 shots.
The Moira banshee skin is pretty cool
David Bowie skin is pretty good though.
Fun fact about Nolan Nolan didnt even took the game serios he just was a dps moira That killed everyone and he played on his school laptop btw
It’s bc Moira rarely gets punished playing offense so no one realizes their mistake but use her like an actual healer and you’d be amazed what she’s capable of. I don’t mean full healer but most don’t expect a Moira to watch out for their team
14:19 imagine this but with coalescence, literally ignored by everyone
TL;DR on how to get better on Moira: COMMIT!
The regroup spam is to try and say ult charge😂
Made Plat today!
Love that you came back to update lol, goodshit on getting plat!
@@jakupkodhelaj9011 thank you!
congrats u deserve it
It was driving me crazy seeing so many orbs thrown into the ground, that's just going to make them bounce away. Moiras need to understand how geometry works and where to throw orbs so they'll actually stick around long enough to be useful. You throw it into the ground and it's just going to float off into the sky.