12:42 I believe why Moira heals very slow is due to devs not wanting to make her overpowered with both heals & damage, being that she can pair her heal spray with heal orb simultaneously and it be effective.
A solution would be to increase the resource cost of healing and increase the heal amount, so she would run put very quickly, but it would heal significantly more. What you've said is very right, because a buff to her heals would make her very very strong in a Lucio Moira, speed into enemy team holding left click behind them.
@@ArxUK I think that could still break her since it would mean you spend less time healing and more time damaging to generate resource. They would probably have to increase the resource costs by a lot more than the healing increase. Right now it's 20 energy per second to heal 70 per second, so 3.5 hp per energy. If you wanted to heal 80 per second, then likely it needs to bump up to 30 energy per second. Her healing output seems more balanced around orb + spray together to actually fill up a tank's health bar quickly. Makes sense I think...Ana also can't fill up a health bar super fast without committing nade, Bap can't without regen burst, Kiri can't without suzu, Illari needs pylon, etc. But the most imporant thing of all...how the hell do you do that fade jump onto the high ground in the P3 section of King's Row? I can't get it and keep falling into the pit, haha edit: got it! Jump right when you fade!
She already has some of the highest raw healing output in the game. The DPS passive is the only reason it sometimes doesn't feel hefty but that's every support now. The DPS passive's existence just encourages supports to ignore healing altogether and just look for elims. Feels like you're never gonna save anyone anyways, so why bother throwing a heal orb when you could just throw a damage orb? Same for Mercy with her beams; I'll stick to the blue beam and not even heal in a lot of situations. I'd rather them potentially get the kill with boosted damage than me just drag out them dying and for sure not getting the elim.
When I right click kill a Genji in silver it feels lame. But to see it here in top 500 is beyond crazy. If Moira is that "bad", why aren't you being melted instantly. The problem I find is if you're at 50% HP against a full HP Moira, in almost every duel Moira will win due to basically having 100% accuracy.
@@CC-yq5bw it happens man. Especially in metal ranks she’s still quite dominant - that’s why it’s much harder to balance heroes than people give credit for
Right? And when your team is like “the kiri has 12k heals and you only have 9k!?!?!” Yeah.. and the kiri also only 1k dmg while I have 10k and one of the highest elims in the lobby… “But you’re a healer!!!!” Smh…
One game I literally stayed with the team with 12k heals & they complained about "dps moira" because they always see me on the kill feed while I was just finishing off the squishies for them. Plus I need to refill my juice... Ppl are stupid
Ok but their juno did more healing than both moira and lucio combined. He started healing more the second half but their tank was definitely struggling because of sustain. I can see why people would moan
@BeforeThisNovember this is great of you are also winning games. If you're losing them... it's just stats to prove what? That you're the tallest midget? I agree, stats don't tell the tale but don't really sit with that mentality that your damage justifies your healing output. I'd rather win every game and be second heals and 3rd damage than lose and constantly be first in everything
i feel like the passive hot should stack up, to be better able to top tanks. like, for every second you keep your healing on someone, it could apply another stack, up to 3. That way after you keep your heal on someone for 2 seconds straight, they get a 153 hp hot over 3 seconds. make this refreshable, and she probably becomes the best sustain healer, while being able to dps in the 3 second hot windows. could even lower her base healing in that case, to 50 hps or so and it would still be great.
Okay figured it out - you gotta jump from standstill, aim at the very corner of the square poking out, I assume your legs hit the top edge or so and it bounces you up a bit.
it's been a long 8 years and they are still not able to make better map than king's row :). love it. and love your moira playstyle
3:44 i tried that fade jump & ended up dropped down the map 😂
ur little emotes are so cute for such an evil character lol
You are an insane moira player. Those fade jumps are actually clutch.
12:42 I believe why Moira heals very slow is due to devs not wanting to make her overpowered with both heals & damage, being that she can pair her heal spray with heal orb simultaneously and it be effective.
Moira's healing spray definitely needs a slight buff. Basically shooting an entire load at a Rein to get anywhere at the moment.
19:15 Careful there. Moira's left click is aoe and it may end up like Bap/Brig.
A solution would be to increase the resource cost of healing and increase the heal amount, so she would run put very quickly, but it would heal significantly more.
What you've said is very right, because a buff to her heals would make her very very strong in a Lucio Moira, speed into enemy team holding left click behind them.
@@ArxUK I think that could still break her since it would mean you spend less time healing and more time damaging to generate resource. They would probably have to increase the resource costs by a lot more than the healing increase.
Right now it's 20 energy per second to heal 70 per second, so 3.5 hp per energy. If you wanted to heal 80 per second, then likely it needs to bump up to 30 energy per second.
Her healing output seems more balanced around orb + spray together to actually fill up a tank's health bar quickly. Makes sense I think...Ana also can't fill up a health bar super fast without committing nade, Bap can't without regen burst, Kiri can't without suzu, Illari needs pylon, etc.
But the most imporant thing of all...how the hell do you do that fade jump onto the high ground in the P3 section of King's Row? I can't get it and keep falling into the pit, haha
edit: got it! Jump right when you fade!
@ArxUK in the 5v5 format, I think healers need to be weaker. I'm always playing support btw.
Orbital ray feels giga busted when used in a brawl comp
Glad to see you still popping off Arx. Never change ❤
I think they should increase Moira's healing because her healing is somewhat slow.
but she can heal multiple targets at once and doesn’t require aim
She already has some of the highest raw healing output in the game. The DPS passive is the only reason it sometimes doesn't feel hefty but that's every support now. The DPS passive's existence just encourages supports to ignore healing altogether and just look for elims. Feels like you're never gonna save anyone anyways, so why bother throwing a heal orb when you could just throw a damage orb? Same for Mercy with her beams; I'll stick to the blue beam and not even heal in a lot of situations. I'd rather them potentially get the kill with boosted damage than me just drag out them dying and for sure not getting the elim.
@@kalenuwu baptiste too ,isnt It?
@@razrv3lc i see
Nah, her healing numbers are completely fine
When I right click kill a Genji in silver it feels lame. But to see it here in top 500 is beyond crazy. If Moira is that "bad", why aren't you being melted instantly. The problem I find is if you're at 50% HP against a full HP Moira, in almost every duel Moira will win due to basically having 100% accuracy.
Skill issue. What are you doing as a 50% Genji playing in distance to a full hp Moira?
@@BeforeThisNovember At this point learning to avoid this duel, ya... you're right.
@@CC-yq5bw it happens man. Especially in metal ranks she’s still quite dominant - that’s why it’s much harder to balance heroes than people give credit for
Why can't they just ever so slightly buff her healing and her sustain when she ults? Currently, her ult feels useless.
Because 50 elims. You can’t have it all.
I use ult to kill Mercy players
Bro was feasting
Moira is the best. People moan at my dps Moira but I do more DPS than everyone else plus healing
Right? And when your team is like “the kiri has 12k heals and you only have 9k!?!?!”
Yeah.. and the kiri also only 1k dmg while I have 10k and one of the highest elims in the lobby…
“But you’re a healer!!!!”
Smh…
One game I literally stayed with the team with 12k heals & they complained about "dps moira" because they always see me on the kill feed while I was just finishing off the squishies for them. Plus I need to refill my juice...
Ppl are stupid
@@desubysnusnu relatable
Ok but their juno did more healing than both moira and lucio combined. He started healing more the second half but their tank was definitely struggling because of sustain. I can see why people would moan
@BeforeThisNovember this is great of you are also winning games. If you're losing them... it's just stats to prove what? That you're the tallest midget?
I agree, stats don't tell the tale but don't really sit with that mentality that your damage justifies your healing output. I'd rather win every game and be second heals and 3rd damage than lose and constantly be first in everything
I am the biggest fan of you as a Moira player , i even got the skin with he horns. Also primary reason for fun is absolutely correct.
The Lilith Skin
i feel like the passive hot should stack up, to be better able to top tanks. like, for every second you keep your healing on someone, it could apply another stack, up to 3. That way after you keep your heal on someone for 2 seconds straight, they get a 153 hp hot over 3 seconds. make this refreshable, and she probably becomes the best sustain healer, while being able to dps in the 3 second hot windows. could even lower her base healing in that case, to 50 hps or so and it would still be great.
Well done!! this is the most intense fight I’ve ever seen❤
The enemy rein had so much sustain and still got out-damaged…juno has more healing than both lucio and moira combined. She made af
I could never reproduce that last jump at spawn to get to the sniping spot
Love the videos brethren. I wanted to ask, is there any difference between the distance you have from your opponent on the dmg you do ?!
@@Papaflesasss nope
@ArxUK wow that's kinda OP. Thanks for the reply. God Bless
Can you explain that jump @0:45? How are you getting more height off of that?
Okay figured it out - you gotta jump from standstill, aim at the very corner of the square poking out, I assume your legs hit the top edge or so and it bounces you up a bit.
How many were true Elims? And How many were participations elims? No hate, I love Moria, but I wish they had another column that showed actual elims.
This is almost a losing battle
in the end it all comes to barely winning on overtime by pure luck
Bubble [:)]
This seems to be sped up a bit. Seems correct when I run it on .9x
Just raw footage from stream, not sped up. Can stopwatch vs the objective timer if you want to verify it
@ArxUK do you play the this awesome on Console too ?
Moira s heal cant get trow shields
Crazy
Enemies are trash 😂
neis
Hii
zero skill
and yet hes top 500 and youre not
@@unoriginalluke8594 congrats he right clicked entire time lmao
@@Ronitrades as opposed to healing full hp bars? Your probably silver who swears he's in elo hell.
@@7Beanss right...