The Tragedy of Detroit: "It Didn't Have to Be This Way"
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- "Detroit developed best when it was bottom-up," says Harry Veryser, economist and professor at University of Detroit Mercy. "When small communities, small parishes, small schools were formed... that's when Detroit prospered."
Veryser, author of It Didn't Have to Be this Way: Why The Boom and Bust is Unneccessary and How Austrian School of Economics Breaks the Cycle, sat down with Reason TV to talk about his experience growing up in Detroit, what went wrong, and how to fix it.
Approximately 5 minutes. Produced by Zach Weissmueller. Camera by Tracy Oppenheimer.
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My mother at age 12 would get on a bus, alone, ride into town, watch a Tigers game and come home. No worries. Now she won't go there without a gun.
That's sad.
Is the team that bad?
@@iananderson3799 lmao
She shouldn't go there period.
You can thank a central banker for that. Central bankers have been funding and organizing communists/socialists since Lenin and Trotsky.
Remember as a kid my dad saying Cavanagh would ruin the city. He started it and Young finished it off. Once a beautiful city.
Some blame "white flight" for Detroit's problems, however, maybe it was the fault of "black supremacy."
@@jamescollins4500 i only remember riot targeting blacks cause they didn't wanted to live with blacks cause of their racist beliefs
and they blamed GM
@@jamescollins4500 the blame is not in races...is in politics. And Detroit is only a sample of the Democrats genocide and economic destruction.
@@lrodriguez6691 You forget what C. Young said about those fleeing to the suburbs. It was more racial than political.
Grew up in Detroit. Entire neighborhoods are gone. Eg. DELRAY. OUR car was stolen while we were cleaning up our first apartment. Windows got shot out New Years eve. Called police. Their response " what do you want us to do about it".
Sounds like a lesson California could learn from.
It's probably too late for California.
San Francisco is already is ruins...
If only they cared.
They shoved this advice up their bum holes.
Democrats don't learn.
"Bottom up" assumes personal responsibility, strong families, strong faith and strong work ethic. "Top Down" assumes a progressive is in charge who needs "oppressed", powerless victims for votes.
Dead on.
Almost absolutely correct.
You just don't need religion to have a decent society, and "top down" can have a conservative in charge and it'd still be terrible.
Doesn't matter what the party is, the person on top works for themselves and prospers off the backs of others. That's how they got there in the first place.
Socially progressive and financially conservative is the ideal combo, but that's neither party.
Religion is crucial in forming morality.
@@anselm147 Nonsense. You like Muslim morality?
I agree with bottom up, and yes, you can argue some progressives take the top down approach, but that’s just as well with conservatives who give big breaks to corporations and other money interests before giving back to their own people. I like to look at people like Andrew Yang who are progressive (championing UBI) but use the government to help those at the bottom so they may help themselves climb to the middle class
When I moved to Texas in 1981 it seemed like every other car on the road had Michigan plates on it. Those that could escape did so and left behind the collectivist elites and the poverty stricken.
"...collectivist elites and the poverty stricken..."
Sounds a lot like Vermont.
In that era I moved to Colorado and we were referred to as the black plate people (MI license plates were black at the time). Bumper sticker - 'Last one to leave Michigan turn out the lights please'
I was a native Houstonian at that time. I remember all the people coming in with all their different driving habits. Roads were never the same.
@@arminiusofgermania Vermont isn't even in the bottom half when it comes to poverty rate, it's less poor than any southern state. Besides New Mexico pretty much all the poorest, least educated states are red states.
@@stephenbrand5661 I made a lot more money in a red state than I did in a blue state. Blue states seem to force their poor onto the welfare system rather than push policies that give the poor upward mobility.
I was born and raised in Detroit. This man is SPOT ON!!! This is why I left Detroit and will NEVER RETURN!!!! Last one out turn off the lights. OH wait, street lights are already out!
I doubt that you were raised in Detroit. Where exactly? Bloomfield Hills? Livonia? If you were really from here you would know that the city has replaced all of its streetlights. Under Duggan basic city services have improved dramatically. There is still a long long way to go but from what I see everyday there is a transformation underway downtown that is amazing. Too many construction projects to begin to list. The neighborhoods are still in dire trouble but there is even a movement underway to address that fiasco. I lived for years in Cork Town and now in Brush Park. Both of these areas are being transformed. I am well past debating why the city fell apart. Blame black people, blame Irish people, blame whoever you want. What matters now is how do we fix it? Some of us who stayed refuse to shit all over our city. No. We pull together and work to fix it. So. Once again. Where did you grow up or live?
@@sixmile2360 if he left with no plans for return, how the hell would he know ANYTHING about your pathetic STREETLIGHTS? (as we speak, half of them have already been broke out) Hell, I lived in AND LEFT a part of the southern USA that I hate and will never return to. Know what I know about their present situation? Not a DAMN THING!! Could care less. Idiot.
@@painkillerjones6232 Sorry. Not following the thread. Are you saying half of Detroits streetlights are already out? And you think Im an idiot? If you do thats fine. My wife has been calling me idiot for twenty five years.
@@sixmile2360 At the risk of losing my well earned reputation as a male chauvinist pig, you should listen to your wife.
@@painkillerjones6232 Why? Just curious why you think I am an idiot? And I do listen too her. The problem is she is a bleeding heart liberal so our votes have cancelled each other out for years. No. I prefer stubborn asshole to idiot. But I could be wrong.
It was not stated, but a bottoms up approach works fine when there is a high IQ, law-abiding, and industrious population. Detroit hasn't been that way since the 1960s.
@Trev C The truth always hurts, no need for name calling.
Issue isn't race, but lifestyle.
You can't bring your lifestyle, based on smoking weed, drive-by shootings and gang wars into safe neighborhood, without turning it into same place you tried to escape.
@@ceu160193 Or get your sorry ass arrested multiple times by cops who won't put up with it, in an area where the people won't put up with it.
Bottom up works anywhere there is minimal government.
In a free country the easiest way to live is honestly, only government can create the perverse incentives that enable people to be criminals comfortably
AKA WHITE
50 years of one party (Democrat party) rule.
The State of Kentucky is a Republican example of a wasteland and Poverty with no Blacks to Blame...
Darwin Smith Kentucky is also Kentucky. There’s nothing appealing about it. You can’t make chicken salad out of chicken shit. Now let’s compare a legit Republican state to a Democrat one. Would you rather live in Texas or California? Florida or New York? Illinois or Georgia? Minnesota or Tennessee? I’m picking the Republican State every time.
@@alexjones3511 that explains a lot.
@@darwinsmith9091 for someone not living in the US. By what measurement is Kentucky a wasteland?
50 years of one party rule - Democrats.
Things are best when communities support themselves and make their own decisions.
Democrats believe they should make all the decisions, regardless of differences between places.
50 years of one party voting
Blacks
Yeah but noones mislabelled so really it's all worth it
Just like the USSR died in 1991 so will the USA if we keep funding socialism. I am a LIBERAL but I am not a LEFTIST. People need to learn there is a difference.
Detroit prospered when they actually made things there. Thank regulation, offshoring, and asshole "leadership"for it's demise...
You're casting blame in the wrong areas. A lot of people came up from the south looking for work. Sadly, Detroit couldn't or wouldn't keep up with the changing world. I was born in another rust belt city but after returning from the military it was evident that my home town was likewise thinking that everything would stay the same. There are over 200 nations on the planet competing for limited resources. Those that value education and accomplishments have developed and excelled in a relatively short time. Their citizens aren't hypnotized by sports, Disney worlds or 24/7 fantasy on television.
@@punothebear Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I was born and raised in the forests and farms of the East side of Washington state. I served a two year church mission in South West Detroit in 2013-2015, and it felt like I had gone to a wartorn country in the Middle East. Nobody took accountability for anything, and they all expected the government to fix everything. It was awful
Warm torn countries in the Middle East are actually safer!
Detroit exploded like a firework and sent its embers nationwide. My father and mother met and married in Detroit in the '50s. He became an award-winning engineer at Ford. Never went to college, was just a natural tinkerer and draftsman. She raised horses and showed them at the State Fair. I carry the pride of these cherished family accomplishments with me and will pass along the stories, but am sad to see Detroit presaging tough times ahead.
Born and raised in Detroit. Went to Cass Tech then Wayne state in the early 80's. Took a job in California in 1989 and been here since. Went back recently for a wedding at the Henry Ford Museum. Was pleasantly surprised at the resurgence of downtown Had been following my hometown over the years and saddened by the downfall, scandals, and crime.
Really no where to go but up.. let's hope for the best
Same I didn't move out until the 2000s but when I went back a couple years ago it was better then I expected and better than it was when I left
The entire country is heading in the same direction.
Csuse you have a Democrat in charge
Truth
@@jeffbogue4748 yep
So true.
You don’t go from “The Paris of The West” to “The Mogadishu of The West” without a massive demographic upheaval. That’s the real tragedy of Detroit.
1. Detroit unwittingly put all its eggs in one basket: making motor vehicles. This meant that most GDP in SE Michigan was created by the Big Three, or by firms that sold to the Big Three.
2. There was no compelling economic reason for the auto industry to locate in SE Michigan.
3. When the plants built 1900-1930 reached their use-by date, they were replaced with plants that had more sensible locations, and in right to work states.
4. The decline of high wage - low skill manufacturing meant that many African American males could not find work. The younger AA males turned to crime and drugs.
5. The police, facing a tsunami of anti social behaviour, became brutal and racist. Many AAs came to see policing as oppressive rather than protective. The police were overwhelmed by the crime wave.
6. The 1967 race riot led to massive white flight. The fleeing whites took jobs and investible funds with them. The number of jobs that paid well and that could be filled by functional illiterates, went into steep decline.
7. White flight led to undefeatable AA politicians. Undefeatable politicians succumb to the temptation of enriching themselves via corruption. Thus corrupt AA politicians began looting the city, the school board, and Wayne County.
8. Corrupt and incompetent local government exacerbated white flight, and black flight began.
9. Detroit's population, which was 1.85M in 1950, is 670K today.
Detroit's population will continue declining until it reaches, say, 250K. The only AAs remaining in Detroit will be pensioners.
Thank you. Yes and they did this by passing a century of hidden costs from the corporations to the most poor. Those costs have to be paid, and they are being paid RIGHT NOW. If there is one, single thing I could open the "good conservative" to it would be the hidden costs of them bank-rolling corporations in our nation for the last century. So pathetic people cannot see it.
@@GrumblingGrognard I love all these folks regurgitating 'Rockefeller' history lessons. It would be funny if it wasn't real. John D said he wanted compliant workers, NOT educated ones. Big Bidness' has been pushing that line ever since. We saw it in all it's disgusting glory when the banks and hedge funds failed and the Fed socialized the debts while the criminals (naturally) kept the profits. Black people were primarily brought to America to be slaves. Nothing else. You enslave multiple generations of any illiterate or poorly educated people, and see how they react when they get a little freedom. "Chickens roosting" comes to mind. ALWAYS, ALWAYS, FOLLOW THE MONEY!
You are wrong on many things but entitled to your view.
@@David53D What statements have I made that you deem wrong?
I am a former USW member. After my blue collar days were over, I spent 10 years of my young life living on the edge of Harlem or of the slums of Chicago. For another 6 years, I lived about an hour from inner city Detroit, and read the Detroit papers every day. I had quite progressive friends who despaired of the Coleman Young years. Young blamed all bad situations on white racism, and never blamed anti-social acts by ghetto youths.
Note that I do not agree with Professor Veryser's thesis. In my view, Detroit never was a bottom up economy.
@@GrumblingGrognard seems i recall from the very early 1950s onward the Big Three bullied Detroit into either lowering their taxes (ie property taxes) or they were gonna leave. city halls throughout greater detroit area always caved. three or four years later rinse, repeat. big US manufacturing always wanted more for less and especially under ronnie raygun got it in spades - paid for by govt which GETS ITS MONEY FROM PEOPLE. been a race to the bottom ever since.
no one single cause but caving to corporate demands, taft-harding act, right to work, wealth transfer from people to uber rich, off-shoring look to me like the largest contributing causes to motown's demise.
When the cost of doing business is no longer profitable you move to somewhere else where it is.
It is amazing that in at least this case, the elephant in the room is totally invisible. Well, speaking as a former Detroiter, it's there and won't be going away.
I got some sad news. His ideas will never be implemented. The media has us chasing around pointless stories on transgender people and actor tweets. This will just be ignored because the politicians in high places don't care about people below their class level. Anyone remember Bulworth?
My advice for anyone who is waiting around for this to happen: stop.
Focus on yourself and your loved ones, and strive to be a better, hard working person. Hopefully your example will guide others.
If the city would get rid of the income tax and lower property taxes, and stop helping unions, then maybe Toyota will open a plant in Detroit.
If I ran a locality (county, or equivalent like a burrough or an independent city), I would charge a single flat tax of 50%--regardless of income--on top of their state income tax and federal income tax, assuming whether they both apply or not. This tax would be applied only to businesses owners and not employees, also.
You bought that car from Toyota. Don't try and put the blame on anyone else. The American people bear a lot of responsibility for allowing their economy to become the way it did. These giant companies have no regulations whatsoever, they exploit labor in Vietnam and China because there are no laws preventing them from doing that. Do you want to work in a sweatshop environment? Do you want your kids to work like they do in Vietnam or China? Those people were jumping off of rooftops committing suicide because they couldn't take it anymore. You have to be a special kind of evil psychopath to treat people this way. The way we've conditioned CEOs to be in this global zero regulation economy is that of an evil psychopath willing to do anything to make more profits.
Lower property taxes....hmm ok so how are you going to pave roads in the Detroit area? Or fix stop lights? Where is that money going to come form? it's not going to come from the rich anymore because Donald Trump just gave them a huge tax cut.
The truth of the matter is that Detroit was a one trick pony. it banked off of the automobile industry and when it lost that it fell into decay. You cannot fix a failing city that was built on one industry. Cities grow organically and they often fail organically as well. That's why cities like New York, Boston, Chicago, and LA are still sustainable. Cities like Detroit and many of the other rust belt cities are simply done. Why do we feel such a need to fix Detroit anyway? Let it fall into the ground and find a better place to live. We see other cities rising around the country, we should support and sustain these places.
America is winding down as an industrial nation. We no longer want to do these industrial jobs anyway because we think we're too good for them. We'd rather sit our soft doughy asses in a nice office chair than get our hands dirty. I work as a cashier in a cafeteria and you should see the dirty, condescending looks these people give me. I look forward to a new economic revolution in the United States, it'll give us some kind of a future to look forward to.
Renge9909 is right; you have control over your own actions, and by your own actions you can work hard and succeed, or sit still, and nothing will change.
-->Listen to the Renge.
I don’t think I would take your class or buy your book!
Dave Davis good idea the workers will work for peanuts, they won't be able to pay the rent. Unions, they have no power, that's why average workers wages are stagnent. Capitalism is out of control
I left... i just needed a good job. Metro detroit had none. Got on I-75 , never came back
Elephant in the room is of course demographics, which is something that is sad but not possible to speak of.
When we abort millions of white babies
Joe Blow Not allowed to say that. Truth and facts are dangerous don't ya know.
Rae Vandenberg I find that hard to believe when they only make up 13% pop. But I guess it’s possible.
Leave your hate-facts out of this!
You're another dumb ass....what will you say when your cronies allow millions of Muslims (mostly whites) into the country?
In 1951 Detroit had the highest standard of living in the world!
and was not run by dems
Ancient history.
@@iananderson3799 well it would not make it any worest to let ythe reps have a change to run detroit. like they say let the other side have a change
@@dknowles60 Yes, I think I would rather like to hear how Republicans would go about solving Detroit's problems.
@@iananderson3799 me to . hint there has been no Republicans in detroit since 1961. i have some idea's but it would take to long to type
He's absolutely right, but I wish he touched on the black mayor in the 1960's what a piece of work. But Progressivism is bad, very bad. We now see this transformation going on in California with single party rule. This is their baby, and our future I do fear.
what black mayor of the 60's???
@@Felix_Effex Actually Felix Coleman Young was the first Black Mayor of Detroit and was first elected in 1974 .
Finally someone that gets it.
Detroit was a very corrupt city when I lived there in the late '60s and early 70's. I worked for a family that was heavily involved with the mafia. I watched many payoffs to police officers and judges and was on a first-name basis with Tony Giacalone. I attended a party at Carls Chop House where both police officers and mafia bosses partied together.
Detroit was totally different when it was majority-white.
When Detroit was majority white, the auto industry was thriving. Blaming blacks for the decline of Detroit is like blaming whites for the decline of the Coal industry in West Virginia.
Yes. It was a city
Cake Batter You are comparing apples and oranges, there is no comparison between the two.
Cake Batter So all the other inner cities in this country that are s.holes and didn't have an auto industry.......... is because of what?
@@tommytruth7595 The best predictor of crime rates is racial demographics.
My first year of college at Purdue, 1960, I had friend who was from Detroit. He proudly called it “ Big D .” Sad the fate.
We moved because of Coleman Young' s plan to send me to Cooley High when I was curently able to walk to Redford High School, where my father graduated. He quit GM and we were gone. 😔
Detroit, Gary, Flynt, Baltimore, Newark, Hartford I could go on and on
New York...
Flint*** also pontiac
St.Louis, Buffalo & Cleveland are other cities that have turned from thriving cities large cities to poor, run down , crime ridden cities with more then half its population gone.
@@zoompt-lm5xw New York became a more wealthy and expensive city to live in. Crime has gone down. New York was broke and poor, high crime from about 1968-1993. Then it started to change in reverse.
Don't leave out Appalachia
Excellent video. However, what he did not say is that the smaller suburbs surrounding Detroit are doing well. Hinted at it but did not say it. If Detroit dissolves the smaller cities can thrive.
After the gas shortage in the early 70’s happened, you would think American cars would have changed, but they didn’t.
the big 3 made junk. even when you brought a small big 3 car it was junk
This man makes a few valid points, but the real reason Detroit became what it is today was because the US started to import cheap foreign automobiles that Detroit car manufacturers couldn't compete against. They built huge gas guzzling cars while Americans needed cars that burned less fuel to beat the rising cost of gasoline. They also failed to design cars in time that could compete against the foreign competition. Also, the greedy unions demanded large wage increases regardless of their employers' falling profits. Add to this the very generous pension schemes that employers had to finance and the agreements with the unions not to sack workers and the disaster was unavoidable.
Detroit died mostly because the main source of income, the car industry there, died.
Other parts of the country opened auto plants. Toyota, GM, Ford, etc. Why didn’t Detroit? Mostly the same reasons other commenters give.
Japan beat our butts off in the 80's and 90's because they were essentially a national corporation/union. We enacted nafta and de-regulated. Those two things are more responsible than anything to the economic woes of many major cities and the US as a whole.
It can still be saved, but they have critically think about fixing its infrastructure. This includes the mindset of the residents and improving the public school system through charter programs.
Just building permit in Detroit cost $27 000.Who wants to build house in Detroit?
I'm from Saginaw. The whole region is a battleground. The war on the middle class has left behind the remains of the hardest working most innovative people the world has ever known.
Man fifty’s and sixties were gr8...my generation had it all!
Then Reagan slashed the education budget, allowing the likes of China to overtake the US.
@Alien West Yes. I agree. Throwing money at any problem is foolish.
@@iananderson3799 There shouldn't be public education. You are likely part of the problem if you think there should be.
@@f__kyoudegenerates Yes, only rich kids should get educations. Teaching poor ones just gives them ideas above their station.
The 1987 movie ROBOCOP was set in a decaying Detroit. It almost perfectly predicted how thing would turn out in the future. Apparently, nobody on Detroit city government since 1987 watched the movie or took it seriously.
The best analysis of Detroit I've heard so far.
This guy makes sense. Very informative . I used to be a progression but i have modified my views. Look at parts of Portland , Seattle , Philadelphia....and on and on.
Tear it down and plant vegetables
john miller Breed Pit Bulls then too! Lol.
But I don't want to eat my vegetables...
What??? I thought it was Whites who were supposed to only half human????
qz.com/816101/neanderthals-mated-with-european-humans-weaker-immune-system/
You don't have a larger brain. And how dare you address a full Homo Sapient in that manner, you filthy, Paleolithic, HALFBREED!!!
@@jonothandoeser not out of that ground, anyway.
This is what is happening to the entire USA maybe not in the exact way but in time this is what most of the country will look like...
I can appreciate this point of view and am open to hearing from multiple sources on differing opinions and facts... This is a source I'm glad to have came across.
I try to approach things in a similar manner!
Crime flourished? Who was committing crimes?
It wasn't whites!
Depends on the neighborhood. There were poor neighborhoods of any particular ethnic background in Detroit. Where there's poverty, you have hoodlums.
NOBODY! NOBODY committed the crimes, it just... FLOURISHED!
Pay no attention to that elephant in the room!
John Doe Shhhh..........liberals don't want to hear that.
Every group when it has first arrived in the US years ago has been poor but all have worked hard and made their way because they had not choice but now the Democrats who created the Welfare State have given some the option of stagnating and not getting ahead and they get stuck in the lousy system and ghettos develope. My cousin was born in Detroit in 1940 and he and his brothers when back to see the part of Detroit they were born in 2015 and now it is a black ghetto with a lot of abandoned homes.
Please put this channel on Rumble and other alternative platforms.
It's not race, its institutions. Values, however, influence institutions. The values of centralization and big government creates a particular set of institutions that are usually detached from reality on the ground and prone to political manipulation on a grand scale.
1951 was no inheritance tax, and income tax and this is Detroit, in the past 7 years from today woa... what a big difference 44 years make, woW!....great video my dude...
Mr Veryser.....I agree with many of your well thought out comments. HOWEVER you make a statement that does not hold water.
1) That Detroit's downfall started when income tax was brought to Detroit. Many, many cities that flourish today had the same or higher taxes at the time, and continue to have them today. Want proof?....look at Minneapolis.
Detroits' MAIN issue was the self proclaimed title of "Motor City". The area simply put all it's eggs in one basket (automotive) right at a time when the business world gained access to global markets. When autos could be produced other places logistically, and much more economically, then Detroit had little to fall back on.
Also....... The unions did not understand economics. As they drove wages and pensions out of sight, we began to have those people building the product (cars) making MORE than the folks buying the product.Those economics don't work, and your business will die.
The absolute BEST thing Detroit could do today would be to ban the words "Motor City". They don't want it, and it perpetuates the old rust belt mentality. That's simply a recipe for failure.
I had to stop this and just shake my head that the example of Detroit is used as a case study (in advanced degree courses - I took one - obviously not in Detroit) in obsolescence. The old way does not work anymore. The film, "Roger and Me" had the same problem. Never said anything about the United Auto Worker labor union, or the fact that Toyota and Honda, and others were making much more reliable cars. And that GM, and others were placing factories in Texas, and Tennessee, and moving out of Detroit because "Detroit' (the whole mentality) is obsolete. The overhead was too much. Why they did not understand that, I do not know. And they have done nothing to be competitive. Nothing. And even Tesla took an old GM assembly plant in California which was (and I knew a person who was there) the most expensive assembly plant in the world, and made Teslas. In California! This should tell all the people in Detroit (and the UAW) something. But probably won't. The answer is obvious, incidentally. Do what other countries and municipalities do. A "Free Trade Area" where everything is NOT taxed, but the concentration of productivity provides jobs, and secondary industries that rebuilds the area. Oh, and if you just have to have unions peg their numbers to the competitions numbers. Good Luck!
I'm a Wood Elf and a highly decorated combat veteran, an Imperial Legion General (Ret). I'm trained in one-handed weapons, two-handed weapons, bow, crossbow and arcane weaponry. Even in a full chastity belt and bra and then full Daedric plate armor on top of it I still wouldn't go in De(s)troit without a fully armed and armored squad of hardened combat veterans. Mehrunes Dagon's real, The Deadlands, have more law and order than Detroit(let).
This was brilliant, so much truth to what he said; I always was told growing up that it was the car companies getting fat, lazy and not innovating enough to compete with the imports that had brought Detroit down when now I know it started with the politicians and raising taxes...
75% Politicians 25% of the big 3 building junk
It is very simple, there is no values in something that is not earn
They still have an income tax. I can't for the life if me figure out why a large business would want to move there, yet with a few key developers, It's happening
As a michigander I can tell you this is the future of many American cities at this rate
The Democrats must be very proud of what their progressive cities have become
I sense the hint of sarcasm in your comment but they are wayyyy too narcissistic to do that, instead their heads are in the clouds blaming the decline on white supremacy...
It's not about white, black or any color. It is about big intrusive government.
Fast forward to 2021... Detroit is still the pits.
Detroit existed because it lent itself to the technology of the time now proximity isn't as much of an issue so we've evolved and Detroit lost
Detroit is now hollowed out, not much left.
Highland Park was a very beautiful safe community until government mandated housing started the decline. The entire area may have recovered from the declining auto industry but who could live with blacks moving in and the corrupt real estate agents creating the white flight scare.
The word "socialism" means that the govt. determines the price and distribution of commodities( That is what makes it slavery, commercial rights are impossible) If that govt, permits ownership(even though property rights without commercial rights are meaningless, it is still socialism, still slavery) it is called "fascism" and if that govt. prohibits ownership it is called "communism" The word "capitalism" simply means the govt. DOES NOT determine the price and distribution of commodities.
4:38 American zoning laws in general should be revisioned. The federal government wanting to have the possibility to drive tanks two-abreast everywhere is bankrupting American cities. Strong Towns has done a lot of research into this. They prove even in infrastructure too much government is killing the economy.
My patents moved away from Detroit when I was 4 years old, in 1980 for reasons you stated. My family lived in Detroit for many generations before then. Now they live in Seattle, seeing the same things happen again. I moved away from Washington state in 2015. Progressivism destroyed both places, after each had an awesome high point.
Leftists are the destroyers of worlds .......
People might say it's a black thing that caused the downfall of Detroit but the fact is, it's not. I grew up in Detroit too and minority employment during Detroit's heyday was almost equal to whites. Blacks from the south migrated up to Detroit for work and work hard they did. The problem now is a generation or two of black Detroit residents have inconsistent work histories with many having NEVER worked. Statistically this applies to a proportionate number of whites as well. So that even if significant employment opportunities arose, these 'generationally disenfranchised ' people are ill-equipped to respond. The mindset will have to change through community activism and 'work training'. I'm not talking about learning a skill or trade, either although those will came later. I'm talking about training people to get up in the morning, get ready to go to work, get there on time and be able to focus for 8-plus hours a day on the task at hand. Yes, it has come to this folks!!
0:50 - That's my map, literally. I made it. It's a map of ships that sank during the 1913 Great Lakes Storm (see Wikipedia), which has nothing at all to do with this topic, other than the fact that Detroit is marked on the map. ???
... This is from 2013? We visited Detriot in 2011. Said the rest of the United States will look like it in 20 years. Getting pretty close to it now.
I heard him say that only organity, in community, will greatly help with Detroits rise again... Yet I also heard him say that Detroits abandoned factorys could only sustain but a few select employees.. My question is... if thier are no JOBS to sustain communutiy, where the hell's it supposed to come from? COMMUNITY!!! :(
I have been to Detroit. Sad to see a city like this considering that at one point in time how great it was .
Harry Veryzer, my “All Time” favorite professor at Walsh College....
I disagree. Detroit died because the big auto industry lost production to Japan. Why, because North American cars are crap. The jobs went away, the tax base was destroyed, and the city died.
Detroit a cheap location to shoot post apocalyptic films
LOL they tried to shot terminator Salvation there. But before they could, someone stole the FX truck and the truck with all the camaras.
When the weathers good … you can shoot the same films in LA with 1 season
Left and right libertarians should agree: Zoning laws need to go and be stripped back down to only existing to separate heavy industry from residential.
Same with East St Louis, Atlanta, New York, Miami, Baltimore, Oakland, Philadelphia, Chicago so? ...oh wait!
Many of those cities do not have such a one dimensional economy as Detroit. Completely different. The decline of manufacturing and changes to that sector, relocation and automation, left that local economy scrambling. Philly, Chicago, Miami, Atlanta, and NYC are more diverse economically so they wouldn't be fucked if one sector tanked.
He left out some of the most devastating examples of central planning that Detroit did. The freeways were put in with little regard for existing street patterns and often targeted minority neighborhoods as "slum clearance." Mayor Coleman Young was critical of this later on but in the 80's, he was all in favor of destroying neighborhoods to build 2 new fortified and gated auto plants, GM Poletown and Crysler Jefferson North.
Look at the adjacent neighborhoods to those sprawling complexes today, they are some of the most deserted areas of the city. The shiny new auto plants may have done more harm than the freeways.
Who wants to live in a city where you can't go one day with out hearing about a shooting
That's the majority of our country now.
Top down is disconnected and doesn't really care about the people... shocking..... No, not really. Zoning laws. He hit the nail on the head. They are poison to the community.
This man has many good points. Our own government has failed the people. California is next. Thanks Jerry Brown.
Well, at least Californian internet won't be overpriced for profit...
democrats failed the people in Detroit. Vote for a Republican mayor.
it was way better when Schwarzenegger was governor.... then after brown came in it all went down from there
Some of it is pure macroeconomics. The Asian invasion of the auto industry, a moribund auto industry unable to change, etc. I grew up in the Buffalo area. I saw it with steel, auto, chemicals. It was devastating.
I grew up in Detroit, Remember the city it was and witnessed its decline over the years, It would be simple to lay the blame at the feet of Democrats for, after all, they held the reigns of power during its demise.
But I also spent a lot of time in Chicago over the last few years and wondered why Chicago, also dominated by democrats, did not rot from the the inside like Detroit. It had much the same political and ethnic pressures, poverty, crime, corruption, etc. The difference, however, was that Detroit's Common Council was elected at large unlike Chicago where individual wards elected aldermen, to sit on the council and represent their ward. This accountability to the ward ensured that the aldermen looked after their political base, Things got done. I was in Detroit for the blizzard or '77 and though it was appalling how incredibly inept the city was in performing basic services.
Chicago is famous for corruption, but in order to be corrupt, you had to bring something to the table. In Chicago, corruption worked to the benefit of the people. They had to elect scoundrels to get things done, but they got done. Not so Detroit. There was plenty of corruption but it was of little benefit to the population. I think the way to endure that Detroit not implode again is to change the makeup of the council, mostly aldermen and a few at large seats to keep the best interests of the overall city in view.
You sir are correct!
This same thing just happened to my city.
The NAACP just sued the city to make mandatory at large voting for all council elections.
If we dont vote at large on the council then our vote for mayor will not be counted.
Ive seen my city go downhill in a hurry over last 25 years. All surrounding city's have long met their demise.
My city was the last hold out, like an island. Was great schools, clean, no crime, new houses being built and businesses were thriving.
All of this has been decimated in less than 15 years really. Now this voting at large will finish it off. Sad really!
I am in agreement with your opinion..for I have a similar experience with the 'tale of two cities' that you speak of. I am a living witness and victim of bad city government and bad public education systems. I've lived in Chicago and I am presently, trying to live in Detroit.
This is the only worthwhile comment I have found for this video. Blaming progressivism for the entire fall of Detroit is incredibly simplistic. A factor, yes. But not the only one…
They should bring in Vietnamese and put the current residents into some kind of "farming for free" program in the South, where their room and board would be paid for. The Vietnamese would have a thriving economy going there in a few months.
Starnesville from Atlas Shrugged in every detail.
Zoning is the problem not urban Design and community planning. Dont forget it folks.
So happy so see someone echo the wisdom of Jane Jacobs!
Veryser Leaves out the profound effects of the 1967 riots. Small businesses fled to safer communities catalyzing the fall into "Hoodom".
What really caused the fall of Detroit was the loss of manufacturing jobs starting in the late 1950s. You see, jobs started to go overseas where it was cheaper to produce goods. Furthermore, portions of the manufacturing industry started to be automated. These two things saw the layoffs of many people in the manufacturing industry. Cities which relied on manufacturing such as Baltimore, Chicago, Pittsburgh, and Cleveland took a hit and people left. Detroit in particular was well known for making cars. As of 2016, Detroit's population is only 36% of its 1950s peak; this has resulted in many places being abandoned. Now you could say that liberal policies made it worse but the primary cause was the economy being specialized in making cars. New York City and Silicon valley are both run by democrats and are doing fine as of 2018.
Darth Utah you are right Detroit is been going downhill since 1950 and is not Democrats fault Republicans back in the 50s Albert Cobo and Lewis Mariani look up how Detroit got broke and don't blame it on Coleman Young
or better yet look at the five worst Mayors in Detroit's history look at number 4 and number 5 on that list.
and nothing will change until the jobs come back, and I don't see that happening - Detroit has to do it all by itself - but it's starting downtown right now and it's going to be a long haul
New York was, is, and has been dancing with economic collapse since I was born. If silicon valley ever folds, the democrats will quickly turn it into welfare central sanctuary city HELL.
While I like organic development, years of playing SimCity show you the problems. What happens when the transportation system is overloaded? What happens when the utilities are overloaded? Top-down planning has the benefits of insuring the future. You can plan for high-density commerce and make sure that you have mass transit for efficient movement of thousands and thousands of office workers. You can plan for high-density residential units by making sure the water and sewage lines can handle the amount of people moving in, and you can make sure that people have ways to get to school and work. You can plan for heavy industry by insuring road and rail connections and making sure that there is plenty of electricity to meet factory needs. Do things right the first time, and you're not stuck ripping everything down for expansion and growth.
When you build a huge city dependant on just one economic engine, with badly planned factories, offer over-the-top job benefits & pensions, then move most of that engine away, this is what can happen. Detroit was a collapse waiting to happen.
The Democrat public servants spent the money faster than drunken sailors. They are now in the White House.
Very insightful, from Michigan and Detroit has always been an enigma
He missed the main reason, the abandonment of the city by the auto industry. Between ‘46 and ‘66, over 30 new auto factories were constructed in southeast Michigan, none were in the city of Detroit. Not only did the tax base leave , each Factory created a new suburb with large tax source. The reasons the speaker gave were the effect of the move, not the cause.
If it costs $1000 ln Detroit to make a widget for a car, and the chinese can do it for $500, you dont need a crystal ball to see what will happen.
At one time "made in Japan" meant cheap. What a change. Some of the best, moderately priced cars are made by Japanese car companies. In the early 1970s the Japanese car companies were starting to outsell the American companies so the US companies competed by having their political puppets add a tax on imports that raised prices by $1000 per car or more. The American consumer still bought Japanese car because they were better than what the Big 4 was making.
He's talking about why Detroit failed economically and many of you going full lynch mob mode for some reason.
Lynching worked. It sent a message far and wide.
Let people progress at their own pace and at their own level. When government dictates the pace things fall apart...
It didn't have to be this way? Name one black owned place in the world that ISN'T that way.
Thank Lincoln for it.
Thank you Lincoln...to hell wit you lol
Lincoln and LBJ too.
@Tom Evans - who suggests slavery should have never ended. I recall a Howard Stern interview with George Carlin. Carlin was talking about you. I bet your some sort of devout Christian too!!
It could ONLY be this way
People voted for this, over , over and over again
Congratulations
ppl moved out because the jobs left. simple. not taxes
White ppl got the hell out cause of liberalism and hood boogers
as ad but...no jobs, No tax payments...lose, lose
No, they left because blacks rioted and burned it down. It’s hard to get affordable insurance for your business when it’s in the middle of a tinder box that’s set to go off at every perceived injustice.
Well, the reason jobs left, like he states in the beginning is taxes. When Detroit implemented the city tax, he said AAA was one of the first to move out followed by others
Jon, please, you obviously saw the same video I saw, and heard the same thing I did. I agree with you, but these guys are into blame all but what is given in evidence, so no matter what was presented by the professor, THESE professors, who know so much more, won't see it. Thank you Jon, you must have been very good in school. You heard the lesson and didn't try to re-write it first.
I believe that one free man’s productivity is the equal of five slaves. Let people live to their maximum potential and America will only ever be enriched and strengthened.
It’s simple really we left God along time ago
Just sad. We've seen central planning destroy so many societies and the statists don't learn.