CHARLES DOWDING & RICHARD PERKINS TALK NO DIG
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Richard Perkins is a globally recognised leader in the field of Regenerative Agriculture and is the owner of Europe’s foremost example, Ridgedale Farm, Sweden. He is the author of the widely acclaimed manual Regenerative Agriculture, regarded as one of the most comprehensive books in the literature, as well as Ridgedale Farm Builds.
His approach to no-dig market gardening and pastured poultry, as well as his integration of Holistic Management, Keyline Design and Farm-Scale Permaculture in profitable small-scale farming has influenced a whole new generation of farmers across the globe. Garnering more than 15 million views on his blog, and teaching thousands globally through his live training at the farm and online, Richard continues to inspire farmers all over the globe with his pragmatic no-nonsense approach to profitable system design.
Wow. My two favorite farmers in one video. It just doesn’t get any better.
Isn't it a sign of the time's that people now have a list of favorite farmers..
Yes. thought the same. :)
Agree! Nice flow and respect between them.
Two of my favs as well.
Throw Curtis Stone in and it would be el primo.
Tons of background noise makes it even harder to understand their accent.
In my opinion you and Charles are the two most informed and enlightened farmers/growers we are lucky to spend our time on earth with. Once again unselfishly sharing your immense knowledge with us. Thank you
boxesfarm Ditto!
Hear, hear!
I would add the RED Gardens youtuber for his serious, data-driven experiments.
The subtle clash in values here is so timely and interesting as we seem to be reprioritizing what's most important in agriculture. The most off-putting aspect of my "big Ag" education (late 1970s) was the emphasis on profit margins, the insistence on having bigger and bigger yields, not accepting the limits of a chunk of land...thinking of soils as merely growing media. Such important conversations!
My two favorite people in one video. My day couldn't get any better.
Other than yourself Richard, I cherish Charles’ life work. Thank you both.
Richard and Charles are to gardening what Stevie Ray Vaughn and Albert King are to the blues. What a privilege to learn from you both.
Great accurate analogy. So true!
Great to see you guys together, and listening to an enlightened gardening discussion, thank you, Richard and Charles :-) 💖
Gentle soul Charles, interacting with a strong personality, Richard. Not a combination I would expect, but appreciate, but two different worlds. But not symbolic but with a watch. Richard doesn’t like revision and Charles is a very different farmer.
Really interesting discussion, thank you for answering some of our questions.
Their interaction comes off to me as Richard looking up to Charles like a father/son relationship. He wants Charles’ approval and to be proud of him.
Both GREAT farmers.
Talk about the meeting of minds!!!!!! GREAT stuff guys!!!
Love Charles. Never dug or forked my field. Its amazing, the carrots just let go of the earth when you tug them.
I Charles has inspired me a lot, you two look great together, I have learned a lot from you. I'm doing vegetable Farming in Kenya
That sounds interesting, how are your seasons considering the position and climate? Do you grow all year round?
@@HladniSjeverniVjetar Ideally I should grow all year round, but I need sufficient water to irrigate during the dry season that runs January through March
@@susangichuhi I'm on the South of Europe so i can understand it partially, our summers are also pretty dry and hot. It doesn't pay off to grow anything under such heat.
Susan Gichuhi definitely a place that needs permaculture understanding. I always wonder about Africa, why doesn’t the UN build a nuclear power plant and desalinate water and pipe it in to the interior. Instead of humanitarian efforts that just pad a few peoples pockets.
TheAxisOne I’m in northern Texas and have the same climate and soil conditions. Great for making cement. 😆
Love Charles, such a humble and wise person, such a gentleman
This plus your talk with Stephanie Hawkins were great. I really appreciate your appreciation of other farmers and willingness to hear and learn from others. Learning is the gift that keeps giving. Thank you for both of these shows. appreciate your work everyday, but these were awesome. Thank you.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge in this kind of gardening, Richard and Charles
Just rewatched this - what a fantastically information dense video this is.
Wonderful info! Thanks!
Yes, it doesn't get any better!
Never heard of this guy, but he is super chill and humble.
Great vid again
Wow, Charles is A veteran!
He has his own youtube channel. Lots of great videos.
Where have you been
Undoubtedly one of the most worthwhile videos the 2 of you have put out among many other useful ones; thank you
Absolutely wonderful hearing from both of you in the same video. You both have wonderful ideas. I love that you are looking at gardening in a holistic way. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and for your honesty.
Great info and discussion. I enjoy both your channels.
A very worthwhile watch. Some information new to me to try this year. And more "ammunition" to gently use with diggers. Thanks guys! Looking forward to seeing the video with Steph. Thanks to the input and links in the comments. No-Diggers are so generous with sharing information. Bless you all!!
Such a joy to see two BEST Teachers together! thank you gentleman for your knowledge.
Charles!! Thanks for this video it was really lovely and inspiring. I am now left wondering about various methods of feeding my beds nutrients.
Thanks for bringing up the manure questions. I raise sheep and muck out their stalls twice a year so that gives me a bit of compost and I know there are no chemicals from the pasture.
Charles& Richard, thank you. Invaluable presentation.
Really interesting. These two are a good together. Very different from one another. Instead of being problematic, it lends itself for a really good learning experience.
I had never actually heard of Charles! My exposure to no-dig was just through your videos. Will totally be checking his channel and books out.
Charles is *amazing*
He's the O.G!
Charles is certainly one of my favourite permaculture RUclipsrs, but you should also check out Dutch Farmer Moreno. He lives in eastern France and he has been putting out some really great videos on RUclips too. He's a mine of information and his videos are really well explained.
He is a legend
What a privilege to see both these guys together. Thanks for posting!
One of the most effective and productive videos I’ve ever seen. Such a valuable conversation between thoughtful farmers. Thank you both!!
Amazing video, thank you both! Sweden here I come!
This was absolutely amazing, thank you both. Wow...
It's such a relief to hear that neither of you do soil testing! I've been hanging my head in shame over never having my soil tested (SOOO many people on line are always saying that "Of COURSE you're having your soil tested every year, right?" Wrong...not me. But for some reason I was feeling bad about it rather than just realizing that I sure am getting a heck of a lot of crops out of my back yard garden every year!!! : - D Also, we have a lot of clay that gets very hard by spring, so I've gone a bit crazy with my broad forking... I realize in fact that I've been basically manually plowing my ground if I'm honest. Yet my soil isn't actually compacted at all by Charle's definition because I have all raised beds that are never walked upon except by neighborhood cats and such. But it was rock hard this spring, despite the fact that I'd left plenty of plants in over the winter (I live in Portland, Oregon, USA). What I realize is that I probably would do better to cut those plants out at ground level and put in a nice thick layer of compost on top in the beds that don't have any food in them that we're harvesting through the winter. That way the heavier soil will have a nice thick layer of both organic matter and micro organisms over it to hold in moisture and stimulate worms and other critters to loosen up that soil so it's more ready for planting without having to break it all up in spring. I guess I completely destroyed my soil structure this year...alas. Live and learn.
Glad to have such seasoned, confident advice! Many thanks.
Hello from Corvallis.
If I were you I’d dig out the clay (unless it’s silt) and get loam or some river sand to mix with leaf compost (since you live in Portland), then mulch heavily with leaves in any empty beds every fall (slugs/snails could be an issue with mulch around crops). Then rake off leaves in spring and plant (damn slugs eat seedlings in mulch, especially warm cloudy days in spring).
Put heavy card board on over winter. Like appliance boxes. Worms will break it down over winter
przybyla420
My moms lives in Sheridan Ore. she has clay. I live in Gig Harbor Washington. I have clay. Clay has tons of nutrients. You just have to unlock it. Heavy compost over heavy cardboard. Keeps the weeds down. Keels you’re soak missy and by summer you will have great soil
If stuff grow well in your soil, it has already passed the test. :)
fantastic to have the both of you!
Amazing, amazing video!! Thank you guys so much for sharing all this knowledge.. Priceless!!
Love this, y’all. Great stuff!
Charles Dowding!!!!!!!?????????? I L
Thank you. Great answers to so many of my questions. I trust your skills and integrity...both of you. You saved me a lot of time,pain and money and I really appreciate it. I will forgo a soil test :) I, with some trepidation, did not till or broadfork or dig swales or trenches under the hugel beds on a 5 degree slope...in order to leave the soil fungi happy and whole...the whole piece of land is 1/4 acre with tall trees around the perimeter that were planted in 1980, and I am blown away at how well it is doing after we established rainwater catchment, and for one winter directed all rain water from a 1,000 square foot roof in a rainy Pacific Northwest USA ( I did not vote for Trump) onto the garden.....the increase in plant growth is mind boggling. I am half Swedish so I love hearing about my ancestral land :) Thank You. Blessings :)
Great video, been following both of these geniuses along with both my broad-forked garden and no-dig garden plots in my urban front yard. I agree that over broad-forking will actually increase weeds and deplete fungal structures in soil. For example nature doesn't broad fork every year, but a 1 in 100 year landslide or seismic event my kick start life in soil as it naturally tries to repair itself. I encourage experimentation as Charles does, he mentioned 5% less yield. I never quantified it, but for 2-3 years I kept wondering why deep rooted creeping grass kept coming up in the beds. I wasted many hours of my life pulling it out. I finally realized it was due to broad-forking . It kept waking it up and giving them O2 and creating paths for H2O, no wonder it thrived. Once I overcame the mental block and I eliminated forking, the creeping grass slowed way down. Now I use nothing but wood chips from my own yard waste and kitchen compost which is always placed on top of the existing mulch, never disturb the structure beneath or you'll wake up the devil grass as we call it. I do agree that on heavily compacted soil with anaerobic issues you may want to disturb some minimal amount at the surface to get O2 involved in order speed up the process. This type of soil is damaged and needs mechanical help. But only one time. After that keep piling on the mulch, keep it planted with healthy roots, and nature does the rest of the work. Over time yield gets better and better.
Thanks, a lot of questions answered.
Fabulous stuff watching you two discuss things. Really some great info sharing and questions answered. Thank you, Richard.
I loved the video! Having 2 perspectives on the same processes was amazing. I would love to see more collaboration videos like this.
Wonderful sharing by two masters - thank you!
I'm learning so very much from this lovely gentleman. Thank you❤️
I just love what you do and your videos. It makes me happy to support your channel. From Northern California ~ CG
Great video, I love both of your approaches and I've learnt so much from both of you as I scale up my own market garden
great to see two of you guys together.
it's nice to see you together, I watching you both videos
Wonderful video. I love the way Charles gardens and I like what you are trying to do on your farm with your diversity
Tremendous amount of experience between you both. Thank you for sharing.
A pleasure to watch. Thank you.
Terrific! Great to hear you both share your knowledge...together.. Enjoyed this very much.
Thank You Gentlemen! Answered a lot of my questions!👍🏼💛
I really get to back in England to visit your garden . It"s all amazing
Charles is so humble on his demeanor. I think I have all his books by now.
Great to see different opinions from two successful growers using the same principle with slightly different approaches.
Since I’m soon preparing my own garden this is how I want to do it...
- grow a mixed species cover crop
- chop and drop in fall
- cover with silage tarp until middle of March
- cover beds with cardboard
- add 9 inches animal based compost (from fall delivery)
- direct sow or transplant depending on species and weather (northern Maine) otherwise keep beds covered with tarp until sow/transplant time
- use row covers
- I’m only starting two grow blocks, roughly 40’x50’ each, 30” beds, 10 per block (25’x50’ total grow area per block), so the compost cost should stay reasonable. (Roughly 35 yards per block @ $85 per yard)
Any opinions on this plan?
I think when it comes to time involved people ask the question from the wrong perspective ( how much area for 50-60 hours). A beginner will never work as fast or efficient as an experienced grower. Different plants, climates and soil conditions also affect speed and volume. So experimentation is needed. Start with 1-2 beds for a season, carefully log time and work performed. Next year do a block with 10 beds and also log time and work performed. Based on the results you’ll be able to estimate how large you can go before you reach the desired time limit. Similar calculations can be done for income potential keeping the local market in mind.
Great video guys !!
Richard's method is not true no dig though.
Mahalo for the conversation.
I’ve watched this several times. My two favorites. I don’t think I should compare them to Jesus, so it’s like watching Luke Skywalker and Yoda. Charles Dowding got me interested in no dig before RUclips. I remember watching him on YT in the days when only well known folks had popular channels. Richard Perkins is an amazing wealth of knowledge and experience as well. They both have great foundations for what they are teaching. It’s really priceless and a blessing to have both of you share your knowledge. A sincere thanks to you both.
Great talk! Thank you both!
my two favorite gardeners yay!
Great video - both clearly passionate about what they do.
Hey Richard, I really love the videos you make. All this knowledge and the advice for us interested in sustainable farming and a holistic approach of living.
I would appreciate if you could share some books with us where we can really dig deep into the whole thing!
Greetings from northern Germany.
Finally someone who says it like it is! You make it all so easy to understand which makes it stick in the brain better than others who try to explain it.
brilliant thank you, two witnesses three even better helps settle the matter. wise counsel in the beginning helps in the long term. many councillors makes one wise, thank you men for all your wisdom with all them years. much appreciated.
Thanks to both of you. I would like to give you thousands of thumbs up if this was allowed. The very best of two of my favorite farmers 🤩
Excellent conversation! Please do this again.
Fantastic video, thanks to you both.
Thank you for the education iam a 54 yrs old carpenter I am seriously thinking of going into growing food. I love the way u have made things work and more than any thing made money right away. That the money makers in first to sustain the bigger goals people would say simple not so. I truly believe this is the most educational channel on farming and making it work I've seen and for me that knows nothing about farming may not mean much but I makes big sense to me.
Very great video Richard! A big thanks to you, and to the king of no dig... I love it when successful and well known farmers gather around. Looking forward to see you with geoff lawton and joel salatin :)
Amazing discussion of soil!!! Thank you.
This duo is legendary. Wow!
Thanks guys!
5:00 Transplanting the entire flat of soil means there is no life in it, hence the lack of production. How Richard can call this "no dig" when it is complete eradicated dig! Healthy soil structure takes time to establish. The look on Charles face after he learned what Richard did is priceless!
Yeah well, "no dig" is not the end all be all of farming for a living. There's also the "living" part. Sometimes principles conflict in life, and then, if you understand the underlying principles well enough, you can decide which ones to apply and which one not to apply in any given situation.
In this case, Richard explained on the channel that tomatoes are not a cash crop for him. So he's using that tunnel primarily for producing eggs and compost. Because that way, he makes money. And he does it using permaculture principles, including the no dig method. He doesn't dig up the garden that's producing his cash crop, it's no dig, with compost on top. And yes, that means the tomatoes are not produced in a no dig system, and are therefor not going to do as well. But that doesn't really matter to the viability of his business.
@@deinse82 It doesn't really matter to split hairs... tamato tomato. If tomatoes were truly a waste lost leader... they wouldn't have spent a massive amount of time stringing them all up. Richard knows the soil is crap and he is making excuses for it before a man that saw right through him. It was obvious. He'd be better off planting Comfrey to break the soil up to 10' deep if the tomatoes are a waste product. He's got to be getting enough to cover the time and wages to string up the tomatoes!
@@rjaquaponics9266 It's not a waste product, idiot. It's just not a cash crop. The purpose of a business isn't to "get enough to pay the wages". It's to make enough money to afford a middle or upper class lifestyle.
The tomato plants are productive, and pay for the growing costs, but they're not a cash crop because he's in Northern Sweden, and growing in an unheated greenhouse. So the tomatoes only produce at the height of tomato season, no matter what he does.
What they don't do, is earn him a middle class lifestyle in Sweden, or even pay for the greenhouse. That's why the greenhouse is shared between tomatoes in the summer and hens in the winter. It's the only way to make that greenhouse profitable...but it's not ideal, because you can't do no dig. The chicken waste has to be dug up every spring, composted, and then some of it put back in (while the rest goes on the no dig gardens as mulch).
You have two options, when doing permaculture and putting it on youtube:
1. compromise, have a profitable farm, and ignore the zealots who get upset in the comment section...Richard said many times that, if he wasn't trying to run a business, he wouldn't even have chickens, greenhouses, or a market garden. He'd be growing geese, rabbits, and planting nut trees on pasture. But you can't make money that way. So he'll only do that when he has enough money saved up to retire.
2. Be idealistic, don't have a profitable business, and instead make money by preaching to the faithful about how important it is to be a zealot...all while being very vague about your business model, never letting the rubes know that your income comes from them, not from paying customers who buy your produce. Richard doesn't want to do that, because you don't convince smart, capable people to become farmers that way. They see through it. You can only be a leader to smart people if you lead by example: that means having a profitable, transparent business first, and only then becoming a leader for others.
If you want to be a zealot, fine, be one. This is my last reply to you.( Wouldn't even have engaged you if I wasn't bored off my ass because there's nothing to do during the weekend in the city: everything's closed over Covid. ) You found a modern religion, and go around attacking people who treat your religion the way any religion should be treated: as a guide, to be understood and followed only when it makes sense, not a set of absolute rules to be followed mindlessly.
P.S. I seriously doubt Charles Dowding is interested in being your high priest, by the way. He made a face about the system because he didn't fully understand it. If you don't know the numbers (which are all available, Richard is 100% transparent about his business), it doesn't make sense. Not Charles' fault, there just wasn't enough time to fully explain everything that goes on with a complex business. But he is obviously fine with people making compromises to make the business actually work...that's why he's on this farm, promoting it.
@@deinse82 "It's not a waste product, idiot. It's just not a cash crop." You are a very rude person who can't stand anyone having an opinion. Do you have a Hillary Clinton bumper sticker? Nice start to an otherwise stupid argument. My impressions of this video's conversation are correct and you are just trying to define/fight over terms you define. Your concepts of everything is to fit between specific deliminations which you deem correct or important and/or acceptable. In other words, you are very narrow minded and want to control everyone's every thought.
Richard lures people to his videos talking about growing vegetables and then he show 10 minutes of butchering chickens. He has said he does this specifically to upset vegans. This man is not right in the head. I would trust and invest in Charles long-term proven practices before listening/learning from Perkins who only farms 4 months of the year. He has a very unique farm and not much of the recommendations he makes actually works outside his tightly manipulated Northern corner of nature. Growing tomatoes on hard pack is simply stupid! Richard is constantly fighting with nature instead of allowing nature to do the heavy lifting. That's my opinion and you can fuk off if you don't agree and/or want to fight some more. You can continue to "school" me, but I wasn't born yesterday so it would be best for you to shut F Up, before you make a complete fool of yourself! Do you really think people care what you think?
Only way to make it no dig is to stop using it as a chicken house in the winter. Since chickens dig. A lot.
Thanks so much for this great video. 2019 - pre-COVID of course so relaxing - I got a lot out of this video!!!!
Great minds indeed,I like the idea of collaborating with people of the same vision,Richard.Great work as always.
Fab vlog, you and Charles should do more vids like this together
Love both of your work
I’m an organic gardener with 60 years in the garden.
We are perhaps the only commercial wine estate on Earth using no pesticides.
Terrific conversation!
Paul Vandenberg
Paradisos del Sol Winery and Organic Vineyard
That was excellent most interested when you chat away about experiences rather than answering questions. Can you expand on the way nutrients are tied up & your use of oyster shell is it crushed or powdered ?is there any other addition like this to use ? I think I may have this problem as my plants always look healthy but never get huge..full size would be great !! Thanks great video as always
What a treat.
Respect from Africa 🇿🇦
What a great collaboration from 2 of my favorite gardening guru's.
I've mentioned this on your facebook already but will say it here as well.
Using a hole punch is much faster (and cleaner) than drilling.
Also I'd recommend making a table with strong mesh as the bottom with another sheet of this perforated stuff on top of it. This way you save a huge amount of work by not having to make bottoms on each individual pot.
@Timothy Buchan's comment from a week ago of keeping the top free of holes to prevent water running off is great as well because that was certainly a problem when I made these a couple years ago.
Wish this video had been available when I was a kid. All those childhood summers weeding. Nightmares really. I'd like to get a hold of a rototiller just so I could take a sledge hammer to it.
I lay sheets of newspaper, then old stable sawdust and copious amounts of chicken manure over sandy soil and covered it with black plastic for several weeks. I planted in it and it was one of the best no dig beds I’ve ever grown on. The problem with sandy soils is that it can suck the moisture out and leave roots dry. Alternatively if overwatered the nutrients leech down lower than the roots can reach.
Brilliant job boys.
I really enjoyed your video very educational thank you for the great lesson keep up the good work
Wish i could work with you to gain more knowledge... i am planning to have my own farm. Love your videos. 👌
"Breaking down the conditioning in our heads" this applies to our entire societal and political system in the political west/global north
This is good information and was a good discussion. I like Charles’ approach to gardening. Patient, relaxed. I can appreciate the younger gentleman’s business approach to gardening, but to me, this takes an element of joy out of gardening. You’re doing it for money - and subsequently will not derive the same measure of enjoyment. As one ages one can appreciate this view, I think, in time. Charles said the words “patient” and “long term” when he shared. The younger gentleman is ambitious, which is a good quality. Combining ambition with patience will be a very good mix in a business model.
Thank you both.
Excellent discussion. Thank you!
A thousand thumbs up!!
Great show. Thanks
Thank you. I enjoy watching videos by both of you
I am glad to hear you say that soil testing can be suspect. I have asked experts and no one can answer me. What do you do when you have multiple garden beds that you created new soil for that is different from one corner to another and will change from one month to the next as you tug op with various mulches. It seems too fluid to really pin down helpfully.
This is gold. Thank you.
Aqui Brasil,não entedi nada que falaram,mais adorei o lugar😘😘
I wouldn't mind either headliner trying sap analysis. I agree that most soil tests incorporate recommendations based on the standard industrial model and ignore biology.
Really rich discussion by two experts.
brilliant.. A duet of the masters.. ;9)