London Underground: *Woven into existing infrastructure, organically adapted to the requirements of a changing city for 150 years* Jon sitting in front of a blank sheet: "I want that"
Ah, I see Jon puts as much forethought into accessibility as many real world architects. 😆 As somebody who uses a wheelchair to get around, I watched this particular video with a bit of horror at first, but then cackling like a madwoman as Jon had to belatedly cram in non-stair options. After watching this, this game is definitely on my to-get list, even though I am pretty sure I will go mad playing it.
I like that the game subtly tries to induce the player into that by having no options, then suddenly having all the options all at once, just to create that problem that really does exist without demanding the player reproduce it.
Jacob Jaeger-Mathis It’s a fun way to get people to think about just how complex this sort of design process is. I will be the first to admit there were a ton of accessibility issues I was never aware of until I needed to contend with them myself. (Brick sidewalks always seemed so pretty before I had to wheel across them!) Thumbs up to the game devs on this one, for getting people to think about this stuff!
My college really reeeeallly pushed being accessible to people with disabilities and there was exactly one kid who was having none of it. No legs and he rolled around on a skateboard faster than I could walk (and I didn't even need the cane and leg brace back then.) Took the stairs whether it was busy enough that you had to wait for the elevator. Cool guy. I only ever felt sorry for him once, and that's when I found out he was getting a philosophy degree.
I think his death spirals could have worked if he had signs pointing people clockwise only directly opposite their tunnel. Some people would cut counter clockwise, but generally only when it would be faster.
You know, aside from Jon's unseemly attraction to one-way systems, I feel a bit like I'm watching in time lapse how several of the more deeply stupid subway stations in NYC got built and evolved over time (looking at you, 42nd St./Times Square and 34th St./Penn Station, specifically). Excellent.
Yes, but it's a bi-directional roundabout (one way except for the passengers that are directed to go in the opposite direction). Are we sure perception is the only negative trait Jon has?
Does anyone remember how he played Cities Skylines? Bc i immediately have started crying from fear when i have seen that jon uses ONE WAY ROUND here too.
Fun fact, there's a neighbourhood here in Buenos Aires called Parque Chas that works much like Jon's one way system, it is said that people get trapped in the circular street layout and sometimes never come out. Well not that fun, but interesting
@@AnarchicKhajiit It's just an urban legend... i hope, but since most of the city uses a simple grid system the circular layout of the streets tends to confuse people. It is true that, for example, some old taxi drivers won't drive into the place, they'll leave you just outside.
As someone who lives in Southeast Texas, the entire concept of metro stations (or passenger trains in general) is alien to me, which in turn makes this type of game really interesting. Like planning for some weird alien world where more than a few thousand people live and it's not 85° fahrenheit in Winter.
The signs are reminding me of a train station I used to commute through. The stairs had big yellow words on the ground at the top and bottom saying KEEP LEFT. So many people just ignored it. Frankly, I hated them all for it.
"Welcome to New Jonton station, please follow the signs. Coffee is available on the main concourse. Lobotamites welcome. No brains required to use our service, guaranteed. Thank you, and have an adequate day".
Jon: builds a brand new train station from nothing and opens it to the public for the first time Also Jon: "Signposts are very important because all of the people who use this train station have short term memory loss and somehow don't know where to go. Bloody idiots."
I have no idea what stuff gets unlocked as you progress to add difficulty, but a pandemic would actually be interesting - you'd have to build screening stations to detect it, and then find a way to isolate people until medical personnel can arrive.
@@ManyATrueNerd "Okay, I'll admit, the infected do need to go around the entire station twice to get to the quarantine room, but they're GETTING THERE! I'd call that a success."
Maybe the lost/B2 is from new signs entering their line of sight? like they follow the B2 sign, then as they walk towards it, see the other B2 sign that is for the one way system
Yeah, but I don't really see any way to fix that. Even if you placed the signs along the walls in the middle of the straight sections, anyone at a corner could see two signs.
I work in the railways. You can have all the signs in the world and people that use the system every day will still get confused and ask dumb questions.
Jon: "It's actually kinda cool that people don't always read the signs like real people" Jon 2 minutes later: "WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE IGNORING THE SIGNS IT'S RIGHT THERE YOU STUPID GITS "
I wanted just to watch what game like. i now i spent half a hour of this dude, you are soooo relaxing and fun to watch i like how you explain what you are doing hited like-button!
That seems to have issues with corrupted savegames. Being a bit tedious to get thigns done, that's a serious showstopper. Giving it some time is a very good idea.
Interesting, all the stations I've been to here always have the toilets away from the platforms, so as to remove congestion as quickly as possible from the platform.
It’s great to watch you having to navigate the building choices you made previously. Like, yeah sure in a game you could blow it all up and start again, but in real life, that might be a bit costly, so you just add weird bits on in an attempt to keep things sane.
A to Q to P to C.... Now I know my ABC ) I have to say, with the introduction of Q line logistics problems escalated (and elevated) rather quickly, lol
Jon, for the roundabout try placing the signs in the hallways, not on the corners. When someone is at the correct "exit" of the roundabout they can see to the next corner, where they will also see a sign to their desired destination, so they will get confused. They can not look around the corner into the next hallway though.
One person's "Nice and simple" is another person's "What the heck are you talking about?!?" "Everything's going to be fine so long as there aren't too many old people" Thank-you Jon, Conservative Minister for Health.
The irony is that old people tend to big on voting for conservatives authoritarian social policies to retard the natural evolution of culture and society, which is ironic as the conservatives themselves consider old people worthless as they are too old to slave away for their billionaire mates and anyone not making their mates rich has no value to them and ideally would hurry up and die so they stop producing garbage, using roads and otherwise taking up tax revenues the government could be spending on pork barrel projects lol.
Jon: They act like humans Also the people in the game: *looks at sign, see's b2 in the other way, oh ok, i'll just go this other way that says anything but b2*
I work at a major airport.. Seems when you try to cram people in to metal tubes It doesn't matter if those tubes run on wings or rails, the people getting on and off those tubes will get lost no matter how clearly you have signed the exits or how one way you make your system. Some things are universal.
Im pretty sure most subways have a Stairs with Escalators in the middle of them usually. Like it goes: Stair, Escalator, Stair, Escalator, Stair or Stair, Escalator, Escalator, Stair. Also you should build more tiny Bathrooms. Also A SUBAWAY UNDER THE SUBWAY! How many SUB Levels do we have here?
If you mean Overcrowd, it's actually very different - that's a Tycoon game, whereas this is far more focused on logistics and puzzling out how to direct people, so they feel very distinct.
The one way system would work in japan, but in London, people would look for the shortest route and daily commuters would find it fast. Then you have a traffic jam and confusion. Two-way works fine unless you have a huge amount of passengers, just like on Streets.
Idea for a Jon-Challenge: Design a map for a fictional, very complex underground with lots of changing train, but in excel, so that you put in two stations and get the fastest route.
I've been working in a factory making face masks for the NHS and the organisation of it has been dreadful, I was thinking the other day "we need Jon to optimise this" 😂
London Underground: *Woven into existing infrastructure, organically adapted to the requirements of a changing city for 150 years*
Jon sitting in front of a blank sheet: "I want that"
“I’ve made a needlessly complex system that is confusing innumerable people, but it’s not my fault.” - Jon, 2020
“So what we need to do is set up a one-way system”
*sound of wailing children intensifies*
Flashback to Cities Skylines lol
@@AlanGamblePhotography The city of roundabouts...
@@JhenMaster Otherwise known as Canberra - the world's worst city to visit
@@AlanGamblePhotography RTGame says: Watch another video. Or else.
i was literally about to post something like this... why, oh why is jon so obsessed with one way systems...
Day 56: I've been trapped in the subway station for hours, surviving off kiosk junk food that I steal at night. Still cannot find the platform.
I want to get off Mr Jons Subway Station
Some say, you can still hear the cries of old people, trapped in an endless loop, never able to find the toilets...
You didn't come from Le'ts Game It Out's video did you?
@@LiliumPetal No, but I love his videos. RIP Grace
@@authmastasly Yeah, shoulda known tbh. None of the folks make it out alive in his videos
Jon: People are going to push into each other so I'll make a roundabout.
Me: Just fill in the centre square and make it a big room!
NEVER
People would try to take the shortest route, and get in the way of each other.
Honestlly just put a big toilet in the center of every roundabout, as it should be in real life.
@@Aitrex that is actually kind of genius!
@Impe An open plan bathroom? 🤣
Ah, I see Jon puts as much forethought into accessibility as many real world architects. 😆 As somebody who uses a wheelchair to get around, I watched this particular video with a bit of horror at first, but then cackling like a madwoman as Jon had to belatedly cram in non-stair options. After watching this, this game is definitely on my to-get list, even though I am pretty sure I will go mad playing it.
I like that the game subtly tries to induce the player into that by having no options, then suddenly having all the options all at once, just to create that problem that really does exist without demanding the player reproduce it.
Jacob Jaeger-Mathis It’s a fun way to get people to think about just how complex this sort of design process is. I will be the first to admit there were a ton of accessibility issues I was never aware of until I needed to contend with them myself. (Brick sidewalks always seemed so pretty before I had to wheel across them!) Thumbs up to the game devs on this one, for getting people to think about this stuff!
Speaking as a fellow wheelchair man
Just use the stairs lol
Picked it up as soon as I got paid after watching this, its so addicting
My college really reeeeallly pushed being accessible to people with disabilities and there was exactly one kid who was having none of it.
No legs and he rolled around on a skateboard faster than I could walk (and I didn't even need the cane and leg brace back then.) Took the stairs whether it was busy enough that you had to wait for the elevator.
Cool guy. I only ever felt sorry for him once, and that's when I found out he was getting a philosophy degree.
Jon: "People act like real people, they don't read signs"
Also Jon: "Why are they ignoring the signs?!"
Рамазан Багаев Life Imitates Art
I think his death spirals could have worked if he had signs pointing people clockwise only directly opposite their tunnel.
Some people would cut counter clockwise, but generally only when it would be faster.
You know, aside from Jon's unseemly attraction to one-way systems, I feel a bit like I'm watching in time lapse how several of the more deeply stupid subway stations in NYC got built and evolved over time (looking at you, 42nd St./Times Square and 34th St./Penn Station, specifically). Excellent.
As far as I, a non-New Yorker, thought 42nd and 34th were just one massive station, not two separate stations.
One way systems just work, it's the people that don't.
Jon: I need to make a one-way system
Me: *Cities skylines flashbacks* Jon no...
Anyone who put bets on under 12 minutes before Jon makes a roundabout wins a gold star
He takes after Biffa and I am pleased
Yes, but it's a bi-directional roundabout (one way except for the passengers that are directed to go in the opposite direction). Are we sure perception is the only negative trait Jon has?
Does anyone remember how he played Cities Skylines? Bc i immediately have started crying from fear when i have seen that jon uses ONE WAY ROUND here too.
"It's literally impossible to get back into town!"
Fun fact, there's a neighbourhood here in Buenos Aires called Parque Chas that works much like Jon's one way system, it is said that people get trapped in the circular street layout and sometimes never come out. Well not that fun, but interesting
Wait, do y'all straight up have a horrific creepypasta-esque street layout that's straight up trapped people inside it? Or were you using hyperbole?
Well, I know which one I want to believe.
Ave, friend
@@AnarchicKhajiit It's just an urban legend... i hope, but since most of the city uses a simple grid system the circular layout of the streets tends to confuse people. It is true that, for example, some old taxi drivers won't drive into the place, they'll leave you just outside.
@@Chizzle69420 True to Caesar, amicus
As someone who lives in Southeast Texas, the entire concept of metro stations (or passenger trains in general) is alien to me, which in turn makes this type of game really interesting. Like planning for some weird alien world where more than a few thousand people live and it's not 85° fahrenheit in Winter.
But...85 is perfect sweater weather. Any colder and you might freeze to death!
@Kylem I don't blame them. I'm freezing even thinking about stepping outside in that cold weather.
"people seem to pay when they leave the system, not when they enter which is weird" - Have you ever used an Oyster card Jon?
... You win this round.
Oysters should be banned from public transport.
Zsombor Krizsán “He may ride forever ‘neath the streets of Boston he’s the man who never returned!”
Many A True Nerd seriously don’t you live in London?
@@DrDoom-ph4gi Don't forget, if you get off in Braintree, you pay to get OFF as well (after paying to get ON in the first place)
A one-way roundabout with exceptions sounds horrifying
One way rail stations...I'm twitching already.
"I don't see anyone jumping up and down"
*Someone jumping up and down*
As someone who works on drafting maps and building floor plans, it took me all of 30 seconds to go and buy this game.
The signs are reminding me of a train station I used to commute through. The stairs had big yellow words on the ground at the top and bottom saying KEEP LEFT.
So many people just ignored it. Frankly, I hated them all for it.
@35:43 "Have I made a mistake with B2?" As he zooms in on the sign right before B2's exit that says B2 is in the opposite direction.
17:25 Jon no. Remember Cities: Skylines, This can't end well.
(edit) 50:15 Called it
The second he said "one way system", my thought was "O God, please no" 😂
Yeah. Way too entertaining those videos. Please don't do it Jon....
It’s because his round about was too small!
"Welcome to New Jonton station, please follow the signs. Coffee is available on the main concourse. Lobotamites welcome. No brains required to use our service, guaranteed. Thank you, and have an adequate day".
Jon: builds a brand new train station from nothing and opens it to the public for the first time
Also Jon: "Signposts are very important because all of the people who use this train station have short term memory loss and somehow don't know where to go. Bloody idiots."
"If you need toilet, use this elevator". Growing up in NYC, can confirm that many people seem to have followed that advice.
“Tourists are terrible and I hate them!” I did so love visiting London though.... was planning to again this summer before the plague struck
And it's escapist. Look the little people are away from their homes catching trains ❤
I have no idea what stuff gets unlocked as you progress to add difficulty, but a pandemic would actually be interesting - you'd have to build screening stations to detect it, and then find a way to isolate people until medical personnel can arrive.
@@ManyATrueNerd "Okay, I'll admit, the infected do need to go around the entire station twice to get to the quarantine room, but they're GETTING THERE! I'd call that a success."
@@cityuser oh you nailed that impression perfectly!
@@cityuser you win the comments!
Jon lives in London. Why is paying on the way out odd to him? The money's taken off your Oyster card when you leave the station.
Maybe the lost/B2 is from new signs entering their line of sight? like they follow the B2 sign, then as they walk towards it, see the other B2 sign that is for the one way system
Yeah, but I don't really see any way to fix that. Even if you placed the signs along the walls in the middle of the straight sections, anyone at a corner could see two signs.
@@o-mangaming5042 The only thing I can see is by REMOVING signs so they can't see more than 1 at a time
I think the problem is the sign right at the entrance of B2 that indicates B2 in the opposite direction XD
@Kylem Nah, it's worse than that, he's got a sign at b2 pointing people away from b2 if they want to get to it.
I work in the railways. You can have all the signs in the world and people that use the system every day will still get confused and ask dumb questions.
Jon: "It's actually kinda cool that people don't always read the signs like real people"
Jon 2 minutes later: "WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE IGNORING THE SIGNS IT'S RIGHT THERE YOU STUPID GITS "
Watching Jon play traffic/building sims:
engineering: 0/5 stars
entertainment: 5/5 stars
I wanted just to watch what game like.
i now i spent half a hour of this
dude, you are soooo relaxing and fun to watch
i like how you explain what you are doing
hited like-button!
Congratulations Jon, you’ve done the impossible. You’ve somehow made an underground station more complicated than Kings Cross St Pancras
This game got complex really quickly! :O
Jon:Let's build a one way system
Everyone: We are doomed.
I love that I've seen enough of these to know a traffic circle was coming sooner or later.
I say this with all love Jon: I’m surprisingly impressed with how well you did in this video!
35:40 sign near B2 literally tells you to go away from the exit xD
Play more Landlord’s Super please!
That seems to have issues with corrupted savegames. Being a bit tedious to get thigns done, that's a serious showstopper. Giving it some time is a very good idea.
He said hed likely return to it after a few updates
I even said on that video, after few updates, that one would probably make a good livestream option.
Interesting, all the stations I've been to here always have the toilets away from the platforms, so as to remove congestion as quickly as possible from the platform.
Couldn't you have expanded the one-way system(s) by just making the loop bigger so that they can't see the other signs from nearby corners?
"So it starts really simple with just two platforms" wait so my city failed the first level of this game
Oh God Jon is playing with trains again. This is ganna be a good one.
The Enterprise will be able to tell you how difficult Q can be.
Makes me suddenly love our city's landing platforms and corridors with halls leading to where you need... I'd cry with a bunch of 1 ways.
Love his cadence at “No, that’s wrong” at 8:43
John dont let STATIONflow be a one off!
It didn't take long for this to turn into a bowl of spaghetti.
this man needs a 12 step program solely for his addiction to roundabouts
a great psychological study would by understanding why we keep watching Jon do these videos that are going to trigger, at the very least, half of us.
It’s great to watch you having to navigate the building choices you made previously. Like, yeah sure in a game you could blow it all up and start again, but in real life, that might be a bit costly, so you just add weird bits on in an attempt to keep things sane.
Was anyone else frustrated that by the end he still had an elevator and a staircase without signs?
nobody is using the unmarked stairs! weird, right?
A to Q to P to C.... Now I know my ABC )
I have to say, with the introduction of Q line logistics problems escalated (and elevated) rather quickly, lol
Jon, for the roundabout try placing the signs in the hallways, not on the corners. When someone is at the correct "exit" of the roundabout they can see to the next corner, where they will also see a sign to their desired destination, so they will get confused. They can not look around the corner into the next hallway though.
One person's "Nice and simple" is another person's "What the heck are you talking about?!?"
"Everything's going to be fine so long as there aren't too many old people" Thank-you Jon, Conservative Minister for Health.
Sounds like a problem thats going to sort itself out if there ever are to many old people though so...
The irony is that old people tend to big on voting for conservatives authoritarian social policies to retard the natural evolution of culture and society, which is ironic as the conservatives themselves consider old people worthless as they are too old to slave away for their billionaire mates and anyone not making their mates rich has no value to them and ideally would hurry up and die so they stop producing garbage, using roads and otherwise taking up tax revenues the government could be spending on pork barrel projects lol.
DLC - "Epidemi", incorporating social distancing and other health measures.
This game is the best example of exponential growth I have ever seen.
This is what I want for a airport game
Jon: They act like humans
Also the people in the game: *looks at sign, see's b2 in the other way, oh ok, i'll just go this other way that says anything but b2*
These games are just perfect for Jon. Highly entertaining!
Jon if you love this you need to visit Japan. Their train stations are amazing.
Jon shouting people not following signs is everything I've felt on my comute seeing people shout at TFL workers.
Every video like this I'm just wondering how long before Jon goes a little evil XD
What we need now is TRAIN BALLAST!
This could be an amazing livestream, with the viewers building the station.
Many: "This is working PERFECTLY"
Me: Watching one dude liturally go around in circles. "Yes..."
one way system. my god, its started
The labyrinth you created was a-maze-ing!
wow Jon, you're really good at this stuff. Can't imagine myself playing a game like this. But it is very nice to watch you play.
"you're an idiot " -> "not my fault" -> "he's looking for B2" -> "all the unhappy people are looking for B2" .... :D
Would love to see more of this
So where in this labyrinth is the Minotaur?
B2: The tsundere exit that wants to be close to others, but not too close.
> _"First Rule of Signs: Assume everyone is dumb and needs to be told everything twice!"_
Jon, that's the first rule of _everything._
Jon, assume everyone is dumb and needs to be told everything twice
@@Dargesh890 I would go with 3 times, because that was usually the time it took for my teachers to get things across to most of us.
Starts with pointing people from point A to B, to a Cthulhu maze in the matter of an hour
Yes Jon, the Underground does have one way systems. No Jon, they do not use roundabouts.
I work at a major airport.. Seems when you try to cram people in to metal tubes It doesn't matter if those tubes run on wings or rails, the people getting on and off those tubes will get lost no matter how clearly you have signed the exits or how one way you make your system. Some things are universal.
One of your A signs near the A/B walkway is pointing to all the A stations which is why people are getting directed to B and turning back
This is like Freeways (one of my favourite matn videos) just more complicated.
Just in time for a long commute.
this was extremely satisfying to watch and very entertaining 😁
Oh yeh let's set up a one-way system! Because that worked out so well last time.
Props to this game for correctly modeling old people
still just as fun the 2nd time around as it was on the first watch.
I love how complicated this gets
This is not the first time I've decided to buy a game because watching your choices causes me suffering and I have to put it right...
Im pretty sure most subways have a Stairs with Escalators in the middle of them usually. Like it goes: Stair, Escalator, Stair, Escalator, Stair or Stair, Escalator, Escalator, Stair. Also you should build more tiny Bathrooms.
Also A SUBAWAY UNDER THE SUBWAY! How many SUB Levels do we have here?
Now I feel compelled to go visit London and wander confusedly around the Underground just because Jon would hate it...;)
Err - isn’t this just that commute em up you did before?
Looks similar but I get better
If you mean Overcrowd, it's actually very different - that's a Tycoon game, whereas this is far more focused on logistics and puzzling out how to direct people, so they feel very distinct.
Many A True Nerd Not gonna lie - feel star struck with Your reply - I’m a huge fan for years! Love your stuff bro ! Buy nearly every game you video!
there was that highway building game(?)
@@seedubhuntx Freeways. Brilliant video. How it slowly and organically descends into madness. Reminds me a lot of that.
The one way system would work in japan, but in London, people would look for the shortest route and daily commuters would find it fast.
Then you have a traffic jam and confusion.
Two-way works fine unless you have a huge amount of passengers, just like on Streets.
I knew this was a recipe for disaster as soon as I saw two signs for the same exit pointing at each other
"What we need to do is set up a one-way system
Oh God no Jon, not again! *flashes back to cities skylines*
"Fussy fussy plebs" 🤣
My school had a one way system it wasn't bad until you need to do a lap of the entire school in 5mins in order to get from room 3 to room 2
Reminds me of Lemmings, just a lot more in depth lol
The real question now is, can you customize the background music? Cause I wan't to listen to Röyksopp - Remind Me on repeat while playing this
Idea for a Jon-Challenge: Design a map for a fictional, very complex underground with lots of changing train, but in excel, so that you put in two stations and get the fastest route.
I've been working in a factory making face masks for the NHS and the organisation of it has been dreadful, I was thinking the other day "we need Jon to optimise this" 😂
Have you tried one way assembly lines?
Yes! *Factorio - Face Mask Special* has to be a thong!
^ I mean thing.
Maybe we should have counter clockwise assembly lines?
Luther Burgsvik If it comes out as a thong you’re wearing it wrong.
@17:36 Or just make the stairs one way as well
I'll be honest, I'm going cross-eyed at all these signs...