4x4 recovery gear 101, modern gear vs old gear
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2024
- 4x4 recovery gear 101 modern gear vs old gear
0:01 intro
0:58 Recovery points
3:33 Shackles soft & hard
5:15 Winch hooks and blocks
8:25 Kenetic Straps & Ropes
9:57 Extension Straps
13:00 The Deadman
14:14 Recovery Tracks the original vs the wannabes
16:59 The Jacks
18:50 The side show (DON'T WASTE MONEY ON THESE)
22:38 What do you really need???
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I'm using Kinetic rope from miolle that i bought in amazon. This is an invaluable investment if you are into snowmobiling in remote areas with no cellular coverage. My wife and I were able to pull one of our 600 lb snowmobiles (they are absolute monster machines) out of a 3 foot deep snowbank at 8pm in the deep of winter, up in the mountains in pitch darkness! The kinetic rope allowed the recovery to go smoothly. Took less than 3 minutes to hook it up to the snowmobile still on the trail, and under 30 seconds to extract! Only other accessory you need is a pair of those U shaped loop things. Shoveling and trying to pull it out with a Snow bungee is for the birds! This was Effortless! We won’t leave home without it!
Haha, Ninja roll followed by the, I'm not 20 any more grunt :)
Haha the entry to each video is brilliant. Comedic genius. That's what keeps me coming back!
As usual, excellent info. Your trip videos are great but these instructional / info ones are excellent for a 4WD newbie like me
Used a kenetic rope over 20 years ago in Africa. Worked very well but bulky. Didn't do the aggressive pull like a snatch strap. Just put it under tension and pulled gently. Wonderful. ... Defender 110
The armed forces use big kinetic ropes to recover heavy trucks and tracked vehicles. BTW I also use mine with my rope winch to preload trees when felling them so they go precisely where I want them. I love kinetic ropes!
@@Comm0ut I was watching a few other videos and what I learned is that kinetic recovery ropes can be used many MANY times before they wear out. But the downside is they are bulky/heavy. However, a kinetic snatch strap is just as strong, but not as durable, good for maybe 10 to 15 recoveries before it gets worn out. Although the upside is it's really compact and lightweight.
We chose the snatch strap, since we don't intend on doing terrain that would require many recoveries and we are very space limited (we travel with 6 people in the vehicle).
Helpful information here. doubling the snatch straps does potentially double the dampening effect...not in percentage terms but we knew what you meant - good tip 👍🏻
you covered it very well Ronny, I use a bottle jack and have tried and now use a trolley jack, bit heavy and big but works well and safe to use
Nice talking with Torben at the expo. You were chatting with the beard wax guy so I didn't interrupt. Glad you made it to our great state. Looking forward to seeing what you all do in Moab.
Thanks cobber anchor in boat usage situation works because of chain weight if you hand pull long chain over sand or even packed flat mud it's quite hard to do cheers good simple advice
Thanks for the info on those blocks you ratchet strap to each wheel. I saw the ads and thought that they'd be worth a go. Saved me a lot of frustration I reckon. Much appreciated.
Happy to help
Another great video Ronny :) I love having all the gear, but it weighs HEAPS and takes up a load of room in the D4...... can't wait to see what you have in store for your "Recovery Kits.... what to have and what to Ditch" video that's coming up!!! :) Cheers, Don (Dons Shed and Xplor Overland)
Starting to get into recovery gear and learning splices and stuff, this video was a great help man! Much appreciated :)
Mate, I love your videos they are honest and your not pushing products, just facts from experience 👍
Starting to dabble in offroad adventures. Thanks for the video! I found this very informative. I need to get a kinetic strap or two. I have a tow strap, but this makes more sense. Time to go!!
Ronnie, I agree with your assessment and experience with anchors because you drive mostly on sand. Here in Scotland where its wet thick clay mud, this anchors work a treat. Although to be fair we have so many trees it's unusual to have nothing to winch off. The hardest part is the opposite to your experience : getting the bloody things out again afterwards. Sometimes difficult and always very messy!
Did I just hear an Aussie say “A to Zee”? Bloody hell, mate! 😜
Nice to chat with you and Torbs and Amalia
An old bit of carpet is great help in sand especially if you think you are towing a trailer, simply lay the carpet in front of the trailer and it won't drag in as badly
I always appreciate your honest and presumably unbiased opinions about the 4wd culture. Look forward to anything you have to offer less uniformed 4wdrivers like me.
Very nice. As always love the content!!
best entrance yet sir ..
Winch dampers full of sand are only good for dyneema winching.
When a bag of sand is used on a snatch strap that fails, you have a heavy bag that likes to fly. They put big holes in windscreens.
Also, when doing quite severe recoveries, put the bonnet on the bogged car up. It makes a very useful sheild and the bonnet will stop most things going through your windshield and tearing your face off.
Genius. I’ve never even thought of it.
so how do you see where you are going once out?
What’s a bonnet?
Nice stuff, thanks for your input. However 20% stretch plus additional length at 20% stretch (with another recovery strap) is still 20%. you just get additional length due to the extra length. If however you add a tow strap (3-8% stretch) to a recovery strap (20-30% stretch) you get additional length to put the recovery vehicle in a better position but little additional stretch. The system stretch is at a lower percentage but the same as your Recovery strap.
The thing you call a “sand anchor” is more like a ground anchor, we use them alot in Denmark 😉👍🏼
great! how do you guys make them work~
@@navagiopoint without having ever used one myself and only having seen them being used on TV, i would say: they use it in denser ground. (not loose dry sand)
Awesome video Ronny! 👍🏻👍🏻
9:23 you dont get 40% stretch, you get the same 20%(x2) for example 20' strap stretches 4'. 2 20' connected would stretch 8' which is double but twice as long. the percentage of stretch remains the same
...or....*it's magic*
yeah that hurt my ears but we all know what he means :P
I think what he meant is the distance the stretch is from the point the straps are taught to the point the straps stops stretching is 40% of the distance compared to just one.
@@SebastianLong That would be 200% stretch then. We knew what he meant though.
"You don't needs to be a physikist to knows what matters."
Great video Ronny
Awesome info!! Was looking for info on those soft shackles!!
This is the kind of of content I love
Love that roll Ronny!
Awesome video and information!!!
Awesome video Ronny! Super bummed we missed talking with you at Overland Expo West this year. You looked swamped with fans so we will catch up later on. Hope you enjoyed the expo man.
No probs mate I plan to be back again next year
I have a land anchor, it works great. You could say that the design is similar, but way bigger when it´s deployed, and smaller when you have to put it away. Tryed it in sand and mud, by myself, just one person to do the job, and it works as it´s supposed to work. I used the "Pull Pal" once and it worked ok, but then I´ve built my own but a lot stronger... The only drawback... it´s the heavyest thing on my jeep.
Sorry to have miss you at Expo. I made the decision to go on Tuesday night reasoning that if you could come all the way from Western Australia, I could certainly drive 12 hours to attend. I hope you thoroughly enjoyed the event and that you have a ball with the Patriot crew in Utah.
6:15 best use for that gear - upper cuts. :D Enjoying your informative contents. cheers!!!!
Great info. Chains are very usefull on mud. Not for recover but to get more traccion. Saludos!
Fantastic info!
Nice one Ronny good to know what to use 😎
How am I suppose to jump through the video? It's ALL interesting and necessary information...if i jump I'm actually worried I missed something VERY important to know...great job!
Matt from Winder Towing: "Nah, that's too much weight! I just need 30 feet of Yankum rope." 😂
Hey Ronny love the clips mate .. you did a great job but missed a tried and tested oldy the Mud and the Snow Chains
Years ago the only thing we had was a ships hawser, bulky as, but did the job no probs, not sure of the stretch but had plenty, go down to a wharf and watch a ship swinging in and out. Mr Buckaroonie tried a brand of stretchy rope and was able to snap it after a few attempts
Great informative video - Thanks !!!
Great video. Thanks for the good info!!!👍
You do a good job Ronnie
Precise, logical, straightforward no bs information. Thanks mate!
From the video, quote: "I think the Americans brought out the soft shackel first". ...Well, yes, no, or: it is hard to say where its origin was. The splice and knot combination was not dependent on the Dyneema rope product (the Netherlands 1968) or first polymerisation of UHMWPE material (Germany 1950s). It is quite new to the 4x4 world, but to mariners it is very old knowledge. To quote Sail Magazine: "Strops, grommets and shackles made from rope were found on every sailing ship for hundreds of years". In the sailing world, the group of knot combinations called rope shackles are based on various knots, like the button knot, diamond knot, the Celtic knot, the Norse (viking) Valknut, and various other multi-strand knots of rope as bracelets, loops and ties, in any required length... So, for more than a 1000 years, these techniques have been around as readily available quick-fixes, passed from each generation to the next, and they were made both tiny and large, simple or strong, for different marine uses as required. A central source of information: "The Ashley Book of Knots by Clifford W. Ashley was published in 1944 by Doubleday publ., New York. It is a stunning compilation of knots and their uses. Nothing comparable has been published since, and it remains the authoritative source." Knots tying is an art, and I guess fewer modern people, except professional fishermen and sailors, master the art like previous generations did... Anyway, the Ashley Book of Knots is one well organised documentation of an old art, and it's still there to educate us modern people. What remains: for us, so many generations later, it is hard to say if that knot combination is American, Asian, European or African. But a modern invention, the soft shackle (rope shackle) is certainly not. Cheers, mates!
To paraphrase Claude Rains in Casablanca, "serves me right for not being nautical."
Well stated.
I was going to say something similar, although not in as much detail, that these soft shackles have been around for hundreds of years on sailing ships.
But, you can bet your arse, that the Americans will insist that they 'invented' it. They have 'invented' pretty much everything that's ever been invented ... according to them.
@@davidhuett3579 Oh, I agree. Another area of such 'inventions' is Aerospace:
In many cases, both theory and invention was made by prominent inventors in Germany, Russia, UK, France, Italy, New Zealand, Brazil, Bulgaria, etc, even decades before. Knowledge was collected and studied further. Göttingen school aeronautical theory and engineering dominance ended in 1945, as Germany lost WW2. Unfortunately, the original source of invention is not always referenced. Another 'outsider': Richard Pearse, farmer/inventor in New Zealand, witnesses claim his first flight happened on 31 March 1903, nine months before the Wright brothers in USA. Pearse, modestly, said that many did the same invention.
During 1945-1947, USA quickly captured some German inventions and PoW (1,800 German scientists/engineers/technicians and 3,700 family members through US Operation Overcast, Paperclip, and Seahorse) as new citizens and NASA employees to continue their research/work and make the great post-war inventions for USA, developed a range of military aircrafts and brought them to the Moon. In any way, the required theories and foundations had still been developed and proved at 'foreign' institutes/manufacturers, and based on generations of knowledge accumulated and taught by professors at universities in the old world.
Cheers mate 😎🍻
Really great video Ronny! Were you at Overland Expo West this weekend? I was speaking with a rep for Redarc Australia and he said you were filming there.
Yep I’m here right now
Best intro yet.
Daaaaamn! Your Cruiser is heavy!
Great video 👍🏻
I use Trac Grabbers . I put two on each wheel and they get me through mud . You need to test them . They grab on mud or sand. You have to go slow or they will dig in.
Good stuff . if you live in snow and ice country, chains are the way to go
F*ck yes Ronny, loved the introduction!
For a sand-anchor, you might borrow a Mantis marine anchor from a boating mate. With the right scope of line, they bury themselves in sand very well and are relied on by many boaters. I have one on my 23' powered catamaran.
Thank u Ronny, lot of infos
The entrance😅 careful to pull something
Gday Ronny, first of all I just want to say I love your work. However may I Suggest that if you are going to do comparisons of the top of the range Matrax that you compare it to the the top of the range TRED PRO and not the standard Treds. Cheers
Great, comprehensive video.
Weird question: what boots is Ronny wearing?
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Great content that you have been putting out! I'm just getting into light off roading because I have a ford transit high roof van that I lifted. What are your impressions of the Bush Winch? Would love to see you do a video on that. They have their own sand anchor. Would love to hear your input.
Good video!
Hi Ronny
So helpful information about recovery gears. But you actually used the worst sand anchor
I encourage your to try PullPal anchor it well amaze you how helpful it is especially when you be alone.
Thanks!
Hi Ronny thank you for the video great overview. I think in terrain where you have harder sand (like in Europe) the sandanker could work better, at those places the deadman would be useless because you need hours to digg that thing in.
Best wishes for your US Trip.
Hi Ronny, The Sand Anchor is actually called a ground Anchor over in the UK, the Soil ground doesn't move as freely as the beautiful WA sand, Great video, love it
those strap on wheels device should be awsome on steep wet grass... one day we had a 2wd truck on a steep remote farm paddock. rain came,,, couldnt get out in time .. the old man grabbed a chain and wrapped it around one back wheel one turn and secured it with a shackle.. it tore hunks of grass.. every time the chain touch grass the truck would inch foward untill momentum built. got out
Thank Ronny for another detailed video here as shown?
Have heavy 4x4 Isuzu truck weight is 5200kg what is best recovery gear to use as weight more that stand 4x4?
If the dampers were physically attached to each end they could act as steamers or parachutes and slow down the broken lines but they aren't, the reason you one in the middle is so you create a larger dip in the line so if something breaks on the right side it heads DOWN the dip into the ground and if something breaks on the left side it springs towards the middle dip AKA towards the ground.
What are your thoughts on rear bumper winches vs front? Specifically in the context of Solo Overlanding. With enough gears I know it's possible to winch one self backwards with a front winch. But superficially, it seems a rear winch makes more sense for solo situations; if you get stuck alone, seems vast majority of time you're going to want to turn around, not go further into hazards.
The biggest benefit of a snatch rope over a strap is that they are good for over a hundred recoveries. A strap loses its stretch after 6 or 7 recoveries.
I think they work on a 10% loss per recovery.
Highly recommend the American pro eagle jack with the maxxtrax base plate, would be cool if they could send one out to Ronny to feature
Ron, For rollover recovery, what type of air bags work best and which do you suggest ? Thanks for this vital information.
Ah nice solutions there Ronny, however if you are dealing with GVM upgrades from the stock 2.5 tons/tonnes 7.5 tons would be a minimum standard snatch because you have to allow for twice to 3 times the weight of vehicle youe snatching or even towing.
so if you are somewhere within 4.5-7.5 ton in GVM twice the weight 9-15 tons and triple the weight is 13.5-24.5 tom..
you most likely will be needing to ugrade your chassis rails to accommodate the towing and recovery needs
i would also consider and a-frame towing linkage ,,,
Good infoJason thanks - never knew the "3 times rule".
you EMPHASIZED that this was all YOUR opinion-- but from what I"ve seen on here... I will go WITH your opinion-- so far all I've seen is based on basic SCIENCE- and safety- and I value your opinion over others I've seen on here.. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK-- you're saving a lot of lives from stupid mistakes..
Very probably MINE too.
Generally, if you have any type of pulley, it should match the diameter of the rope/cable. It will provide more support.
Custom pre-fabbed recovery points seems to be more of an Australia thing. In the U.S. it seems to be(admittedly, I haven't looked in a while) hard enough to just find tow hooks.
Even pre-1990 U.S. 4x4 trucks often did not come with front tow hooks. After that, they seemed to become standard equipment, tho.
@Ronny Dahl, Love your channel and great work but I have a question.
How would you go about if you are out and about and find an urban hero driver gotten stuck in for instance sand or mud that have no aftermarket recovery points and stock SUV but you have your gear.
Shovel and MaxTrax is of course an option but if you need to pull them out further.
Let's take something like a Hyundai Santa Fe AWD that felt it was a good idea to go out on the sands and just bogged down and will need a recovery to the entry point of the beach and solid ground that could even include uphill in soft sand.
For example, they got down there but back up is not gonna happen on their own ;-)
Tie down points are dodgy at best but could work in an emergency but do you have some better tips like if it would be possible to attach a treetrunk protector or similar somwhere and how would you go about it?
Cheers and keep up the fantastic work :-)
When moisture is a problem use a ramp. there's no other option except a never ending chain. Personally I carry a pair of rubber Bobcat tracks, I always use granddaddy low and walk out you never run out, you don't want the track to flip and cut your tires.
Have you done a video on that Jeep Cherokee you show near the end of this video?
Kenetic recovery rope anyway of the week. Yes bulkier but no obvious week fail point with a stronger more foolproof construction easier to clean and pack up extra stretch if using the appropriate size makes it easier on vehicles and easier to handle
Here’s a video request for you Ronnie is recovery gear maintenance I ain’t been able to find a video online as to the best way to care for clean and maintain your gear whether it’s straps or shackles or snatch blocks
Great entrance 😂
Very good comprehensive video on all kinds of recovery g...………………...Who made the Sami Puukko???????????:):):)
Love this video, never thought of two bottle jacks but then again, I never had to use one yet. I have to disagree with the sand anchor though, they work great, problem is you bought a crappy one. The main problem is the angle of the main pulling bar on that unit that's all wrong. I have a Pull Pal, the original one, not the fake stuff and it's awesome and I've tested it in sand and snow and this thing digs like crazy. It's like Maxtrax's and the black crappy ones that break, same thing with the sand anchor, you just have to buy the right one.
the best high lift jack base is a nice bit of solid red wood.
14:30 spit my coffee, thank you!
anchors are very popular where I live and they work great. I think its unfair to review the anchor and those tire straps in such a soft and dry sand, because they werent made for it
Planning a road trip not expecting to go full 4x4 off-road except maybe a gravel track or compacted sandy approach road to a beach… in addition to usual tire changing gear… top 3-5 things to carry (not a winch)..?
Gosh yeah, we used to use floor mats before maxtraxx were invented haha.
Hi ronny... it's wonderful and very educational video for someone like me (newbies)... thank you... I need a favour from you.. can you make a video on the apperal ( shirt shoes glove and any other things on the body) shoes when entering mud, sand and rocks... summer, rainy,
Thank you in advance
Can you please do something with portable winches that you can hook on the front and back?
This would be really useful for those of us that dont have bull bars or cant afford a winch!
Yes please
Manual or electric?
@@HardstylePete electric.... I used one in Africa in the mid 90s but can't find anything now
@@JustPete65 For Australia I believe a standard winch cradle is much easier as I haven't seen any approved system that install a regular tow hitch up front.
The part you are searching for is portable winch cradle. The rest is just using a standard winch and having suitable Anderson plugs for the current. Winches can draw upwards of 400amps@12v.
I'd like to see you try out some more kings stuff
Big like
Great 👍
Reckon the deadman bag could also work as a front end cover during a water crossing?
I have seen videos of the Pull Pal (sand anchor) that show it works well in sand. Isn't complicated or difficult. Don't know if they are sold in your part of the world. Videos demonstrated in the fine sand in areas like Utah. Harder to drive in than beach sand so I assume they work in any sand.
Use a kinetic rope for mud bogging and it is better than the other strap because it is less jerky and it was stronger
Kept seeing so many boring videos and then I see this guy do a half ass combat roll into his video....and here I sit, watching attentively 😁👍🏻
Sorry that I didn't get to meet you at the Overland Expo. How did you like it and how was your US camping trip?
Hi Ronny, what about Trac Grabbers and Truck Claws, please share your thoughts, thank you